From: 'Piotr Millennium 3' Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 9:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Pictures from Jack Horner and Astoria Theatre > Millennium, Hello, > > very nice pictures, although I enjoyed the Warsaw ones even more! > And what a collection of concerts and videos! Do you actually own all > that stuff, or are you just cataloguing it? > This are informations from my (real - I have all these items ) collection of recordings and CD. > (Sorry, I probably would know myself if I spoke Polish.) Yes , language is problem > > Dennis Pozdrawiam Piotr S. 'Millennium' Strona zawierajaca informacje o nieoficjalnych nagraniach Tangerine Dream : http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39259 Re: Pictures from Jack Horner and Astoria Theatre Colin Jouxson convention24 Thu 2/20/2003 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 9:49 pm Subject: Polish translator http://www.poltran.com/ translates from Polish to English and vice versa. > -----Original Message----- > From: Piotr Millennium 3 [mailto:piotr3@a...] > > > (Sorry, I probably would know myself if I spoke Polish.) > > > Yes , language is problem Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39254 Re: Polish translator Piotr Millennium 3 piotr3sulas Thu 2/20/2003 2 KB From: 'Piotr Millennium 3' Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 9:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria - Feb 15th, 2003 Hi, Incorrect information, I listen now recordings from Astoria, first track this not : The Spirit Of The Czar only Betwen Realities, The Spirit... is second. Pozdrawiam Piotr S. 'Millennium' Strona zawierajaca informacje o nieoficjalnych nagraniach Tangerine Dream : http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > Full track listing..... > > Main Set (approx 2hr 8mins) > > The Spirit Of The Czar > > Warsaw In The Sun > Comet's Figure Head > Force Majeure > Going West > Lamb With Radar Eyes > The Comfort Zone > 'Tournado' Bridge > Firetongues > Prime Time > Iris Percussion Solo > New Tangram Remix (Dream Mixes 4?) > New Track (Mota Atma?) > Mothers Of Rain > New Track (Ricochet samples - Dream Mixes 4?) > New Love On A Real Train Remix (Dream Mixes 4?) > From Kiev With Love (Remix Of Kiew Mission, Dream Mixes 4) > Meta Morph Magic (Remix Of Thru Metamorphic Rocks, Dream Mixes 4) > > Encores > > Hamlet (with Edgar and Zlatco on guitar) > Time Square (shortened version of Dream Mixes 2 version) > Beach Scene/Theme > Towards The Evening Star (Goblins Club version) > Legend Leftover (last track from 1986 concerts main set) > New Track (Mota Atma?) From: 'Piotr Millennium 3' Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 9:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Polish translator THX Pozdrawiam Piotr S. 'Millennium' Strona zawierajaca informacje o nieoficjalnych nagraniach Tangerine Dream : http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > http://www.poltran.com/ > translates from Polish to English and vice versa. > > > > > > (Sorry, I probably would know myself if I spoke Polish.) > > > > > > Yes , language is problem From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 6:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 1987.08.01 Tracklist Hi Morgan, Track 1 on Antarktis is actually from LiveMiles Part 2 (the Berlin section). Apart from this, your list seems perfectly correct to me. None of LiveMiles Part 1 features on either Antaktis or 20th Century Serenades. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Morgan Feldon To: Sent: Wednesday, February 19, 2003 7:13 PM Subject: [tadream] 1987.08.01 Tracklist > Correct me if I'm wrong, but. > > [[[20th Century Serenades]]] > Livemiles Berlin pt 1 > Smile > Ride on a Ray > Going West > Yellowstone Park > Tyger > Tiergarten > 21st Century Man > Time for Heroes > > [[Antarktis]] > Livemiles 'albuquerque part' pt 2 > Dolphin Smile > Civilized Illusions (Shy People OST) > Betrayal & Diamond Diary > Love On A Real Train > Canyon Voices > Zen Garden > Scuba Scuba > Piano solo > Dolphin Dance > > (1990 Bristol bonus tracks) > Betrayal-Sorcerer > Diamond Diary > Love on a Real Train > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39257 Christopher franke Home page Alessandro tangram70 Thu 2/20/2003 2 KB 39268 Re: Christopher franke Home page gyedid01 gyedid01 Thu 2/20/2003 2 KB 39277 R: [tadream] Re: Christopher franke Home page Alessandro tangram70 Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB From: Olav Neander Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria Chris Owen schrieb: >Yeah, I definitely heard the alien seagull noise, twice I think. It was >buried quite deep in the mix but was certainly there. It was sometime during >the second half of the show, in one of the new tracks. > I only heard it once, in that second part, yes, but it seemed to be a kind of variation of the 'original' one, wasn't it? Olav Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 From: 'Alessandro' Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:15 pm Subject: Christopher franke Home page Anybody knows why the Christopher franke home page is not updated anymore? Alessandro Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39268 Re: Christopher franke Home page gyedid01 gyedid01 Thu 2/20/2003 2 KB 39277 R: [tadream] Re: Christopher franke Home page Alessandro tangram70 Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 6:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria - Feb 15th, 2003 Hi Piotr, Yes, you are perfectly correct. The 'introduction' is Between Realities, which was also the introduction to the Warsaw 2001 gig of course. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Piotr Millennium 3 To: Sent: Thursday, February 20, 2003 1:50 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria - Feb 15th, 2003 > Hi, > > Incorrect information, I listen now recordings from Astoria, first track this not : > > The Spirit Of The Czar only Betwen Realities, The Spirit... is second. > From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:28 pm Subject: Re: Pictures from Jack Horner and Astoria Theatre --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Piotr Millennium 3' wrote: > > Millennium, > > Hello, > > > > > very nice pictures, although I enjoyed the Warsaw ones even more! > > And what a collection of concerts and videos! Do you actually own all > > that stuff, or are you just cataloguing it? > > > > > This are informations from my (real - I have all these items ) collection of recordings and CD. > > > (Sorry, I probably would know myself if I spoke Polish.) > > > Yes , language is problem > > > > > Dennis > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. 'Millennium' > > Strona zawierajaca informacje o nieoficjalnych > nagraniach Tangerine Dream : > http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ Thanks for those wonderful pictures Piotr,wonderful goodies. Im just listening to the ice stadium OF 83,INCREDIBLE Brilliance. Tangerine Dream-UNTOUCHABLE From: Volkmar Friauf Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria At 20:47 20.02.2003, 'fozziebear' wrote: >I've been off list for a couple of days and missed some posts. > >1 Did anyone at the show hear the alien seagull noise or was I imaging >that I heard it twice? > >2 Volkmar Friauf said 'the British like to queue up', as one visitor >explained to me ;-) > >Hi Volkmar, that was me. The worst crime you can commit in the UK is >jumping the queue! Hi David, at least I made it to the end of the queue and got the Astoria CD! (I hope that leaving the queue for the gents' room while my wife was waiting in the queue was not a violation of U.K. laws...) I saw you leaving the queue, hope you were lucky at the other queue (was there another merchandising queue? at least this is what I heard people talking about - I didn't want to give it a try...) BTW, I've definitely heard the seagull sound, but can't name the exact track though. It seemed to me like a switch-over to 'Tiergarten' for some seconds, but then the music got bassy again. But as concert recordings seem to start floating, hopefully someone will soon analyze this new alien-seagull appearance... Regards, Volkmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39266 Re: Astoria gyedid01 gyedid01 Thu 2/20/2003 2 KB 39269 Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea dreamsector dreamsector Thu 2/20/2003 3 KB 39271 Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB 39285 Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea Armin Theissen armin_theissen Fri 2/21/2003 4 KB 39286 Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB 39344 Re: Astoria Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sun 2/23/2003 6 KB 39373 Re: Astoria Jim Moore moxica93 Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39374 The Switch Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Tue 2/25/2003 3 KB From: ampmusic Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria Message: 22 Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2003 22:50:14 +0100 From: 'Piotr Millennium 3' Subject: Re: Astoria - Feb 15th, 2003 > Full track listing..... > > Main Set (approx 2hr 8mins) > > The Spirit Of The Czar > > Warsaw In The Sun > Comet's Figure Head > Force Majeure > Going West > Lamb With Radar Eyes > The Comfort Zone > 'Tournado' Bridge > Firetongues > Prime Time > Iris Percussion Solo > New Tangram Remix (Dream Mixes 4?) > New Track (Mota Atma?) > Mothers Of Rain > New Track (Ricochet samples - Dream Mixes 4?) > New Love On A Real Train Remix (Dream Mixes 4?) > From Kiev With Love (Remix Of Kiew Mission, Dream Mixes 4) > Meta Morph Magic (Remix Of Thru Metamorphic Rocks, Dream Mixes 4) > > Encores > Hamlet (with Edgar and Zlatco on guitar) > Time Square (shortened version of Dream Mixes 2 version) > Beach Scene/Theme > Towards The Evening Star (Goblins Club version) > Legend Leftover (last track from 1986 concerts main set) > New Track (Mota Atma?) Sorry, I must be dim, or have missed something. I arrived during 'Going West', so I guess I missed 4 tracks, or about 20 minutes. But wasn't someone talking about a track from 'Zeit' being performed? Has there ever been a re-arranged version of a track from 'Zeit'? Has it now got drums on it? :-) From: 'Tony Lomax ' Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:47 pm Subject: First Zeit Not having listened to my vinyl copy of Zeit for years I want to get the latest reissued version on cd. I see the new Sanctuary/Castle releases have nice cardboard wrappers with original artwork but a copy of Zeit I see in the shops does not have the nice new packaging (it does have the original cover unlike the ugly Jive records covers that I'm trying to get rid of! - not that they touched Zeit I know). Can someone tell me if what I'm seeing (Zeit with original artwork but no cardboard sleeve) is likely to be one of the newly repackaged Sanctuary/Castle versions or is there another version with better packaging? Also are these Sanctuary/Castle releases remastered in the way the 'definitive edition' ones were? And does 'remastered' mean the sound quality is improved and that it doesn't mean the music was 'enhanced' in some annoying way? Tony Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39267 Re: First Zeit Armin Theissen armin_theissen Thu 2/20/2003 4 KB 39281 Re: First Zeit Dennis Nigbur Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:57 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream-Untouchables. They said the Great TD are Dead,the Pretenders think they can take the throne,you can stick your Arty Farty NONSENCE up your Arse,Tangerine Dream are the Greatest of all time,their BEST years may be behind them,sit down grab a coffee and listen to RUBYCON. The Modern day TD has a hell of a lot to offer,heil EF&JFi LOVES you guys. NP/ ART OF VISION From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:07 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria A few listers have made reference to Ziet being in there somewhere, but I've not yet been able to place where in the set it was. I'm presuming it was somewhere during one of the new tracks in the second half Revised track listing Between Realities The Spirit Of The Czar Guitar Track (can someone please put me out of my misery and tell me where this is from?!) Warsaw In The Sun Comet's Figure Head Force Majeure Going West Lamb With Radar Eyes The Comfort Zone 'Tournado' Bridge Firetongues Prime Time Iris Percussion Solo New Tangram Remix (Dream Mixes 4?) New Track (Mota Atma?) Mothers Of Rain New Track (Ricochet samples - Dream Mixes 4?) New Love On A Real Train Remix (Dream Mixes 4?) From Kiev With Love (Remix Of Kiew Mission, Dream Mixes 4) Meta Morph Magic (Remix Of Thru Metamorphic Rocks, Dream Mixes 4) Encores Hamlet (with Edgar and Zlatco on guitar) Time Square (shortened version of Dream Mixes 2 version) Beach Scene/Theme Towards The Evening Star (Goblins Club version) Legend Leftover (last track from 1986 concerts main set) Back In The USSR - Chris Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39265 Re: Astoria Tony Lomax tmaxlo Thu 2/20/2003 2 KB 39280 Re: Astoria Dennis Nigbur Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB 39284 Re: Astoria billythefish01 billythefish01 Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB From: 'Tony Lomax ' Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:21 pm Subject: Re: Astoria --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Chris Owen' wrote: > A few listers have made reference to Ziet being in there somewhere, but I've > not yet been able to place where in the set it was. I'm presuming it was > somewhere during one of the new tracks in the second half I remember hearing some Zeit sounds. I vaguely recollect they came in at a point where Iris was randomly hitting what I presumed was a touch sensitive pad... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39280 Re: Astoria Dennis Nigbur Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB 39284 Re: Astoria billythefish01 billythefish01 Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB From: 'gyedid01 ' Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:28 pm Subject: Re: Astoria --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Volkmar Friauf wrote: > BTW, I've definitely heard the seagull sound, but can't name the exact > track though. It seemed to me like a switch-over to 'Tiergarten' for some > seconds, but then the music got bassy again. > But as concert recordings seem to start floating, hopefully someone will > soon analyze this new alien-seagull appearance... > > Regards, > Volkmar Is the 'alien seagull' sound available on Chris Franke's sample disc? If it is, then it wouldn't be too difficult for TD to get it and tweak the sound a bit... Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39269 Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea dreamsector dreamsector Thu 2/20/2003 3 KB 39271 Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB 39285 Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea Armin Theissen armin_theissen Fri 2/21/2003 4 KB 39286 Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] First Zeit Hi, I have both the vinyl and the first edition of the Castle release (with original artwork). It seems that the original vinyl doesn't fit on one CD so the track Zeit (at least) is a bit shorter. Also the noise level is high. The best sound quality I still achieve with the vinyl pressing. Armin (your infamous 'Zeit'-lover ;-) ) 'Tony Lomax ' wrote: > Not having listened to my vinyl copy of Zeit for years I want to get > the latest reissued version on cd. I see the new Sanctuary/Castle > releases have nice cardboard wrappers with original artwork but a > copy of Zeit I see in the shops does not have the nice new packaging > (it does have the original cover unlike the ugly Jive records covers > that I'm trying to get rid of! - not that they touched Zeit I know). > > Can someone tell me if what I'm seeing (Zeit with original artwork > but no cardboard sleeve) is likely to be one of the newly repackaged > Sanctuary/Castle versions or is there another version with better > packaging? Also are these Sanctuary/Castle releases remastered in > the way the 'definitive edition' ones were? And does 'remastered' > mean the sound quality is improved and that it doesn't mean the music > was 'enhanced' in some annoying way? > > Tony > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39281 Re: First Zeit Dennis Nigbur Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB From: 'gyedid01 ' Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:35 pm Subject: Re: Christopher franke Home page --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Alessandro' wrote: > Anybody knows why the Christopher franke home page is not updated > anymore? > > Alessandro Maybe that's a reflection of how active he's been, musically speaking, in the past couple of years. You may not like the product TD is putting out these days, but at least they still release SOMETHING. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39277 R: [tadream] Re: Christopher franke Home page Alessandro tangram70 Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB From: 'dreamsector ' Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 11:42 pm Subject: Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea I remember someone saying the last time this discussion came up that the alien seagull sound was NOT on the Sonic Images sampling cd? Now THAT would be funny... TD buying a sample cd to get a TD sample. I'm sure though, that they could probably just as easily grab it off one of the multitrack tapes if they wanted to. Or even off Encores - it seems fairly isolated on Monolight and easy enough to sample. But that's for TD... for everyone else, what would be the fun in that? The challenge for everyone else, would be to devise an original sound that would be equally as distinctive and evocative. --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'gyedid01 ' < gyedid01@y...> wrote: > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Volkmar Friauf wrote: > > > BTW, I've definitely heard the seagull sound, but can't name the > exact > > track though. It seemed to me like a switch-over to 'Tiergarten' > for some > > seconds, but then the music got bassy again. > > But as concert recordings seem to start floating, hopefully someone > will > > soon analyze this new alien-seagull appearance... > > > > Regards, > > Volkmar > > Is the 'alien seagull' sound available on Chris Franke's sample disc? > If it is, then it wouldn't be too difficult for TD to get it and > tweak the sound a bit... > > Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39271 Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB 39285 Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea Armin Theissen armin_theissen Fri 2/21/2003 4 KB 39286 Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:02 am Subject: Re: 1987.08.01 Tracklist Sort of a religious question ;-) When broadcast on WDR-FM two weeks later, Edgar had titled some of the (at the time) unreleased stuff. Some of these tracks later were officially released, but under different names. Up to you which titles to stick to... klaus From: Olav Neander Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 12:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea dreamsector schrieb: >I remember someone saying the last time this discussion came up that >the alien seagull sound was NOT on the Sonic Images sampling cd? > I don't remember the last discussion... but the only 'sampler' they had in the 70s was the Mellotron. Maybe they had it on a Mellotron tape or on another tape recorder? The synths they used, had no possibility to store sounds (that was another stuff than Edgar & Jerome with both PC and Mac) - so why can the same sound appear not only on TD, Baumann and Franke studio recordings, but also on live recordings like Monolight or even the Mannheim tape...? Olav Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 From: 'John Marchington' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 1:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] CHEAP INK CARTRIDGES I have an EPSON C70 (I decided I didn't really need the extra speed of the C80 and saved myself some money) and I'm just a bit nervous about the long term effects of these substitute inks on the print heads, particularly as the C70 and C80 use the pigment based variety with separate cyan, magenta and yellow cartridges. At the moment, I'd rather play safe and spend the extra money on the genuine article. I'm certainly impressed with the printouts when used with photo quality papers and my TT inserts and liners are a pleasure to behold with bold colours and sharp text. ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:42 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] CHEAP INK CARTRIDGES > What can I say. Ihave not had any problems with the ones I have been buying > from aalstarinkjet > > > > From: 'Robert Grabowsky' > > > > > > > OK folks PAY ATTENTION: > > > > > > For those of you with HP, CANON, or EPSON printers check out these 2 > websites: > > > > > > Unfortunately my Epson is rather fussy when it comes to unbranded cartridges. > > From the 'Jettech' manufactured cartridges with ink that clogs up the heads, > to > > the 'Inkrite' ones where the ink simply _disappeared_ out of the cartridge. > > Honest. 48 hours after fitting them, the printer says I have full ink, but > they > > were clearly empty when I took them out. No leakages, the ink had simply > > vanished. > > > > > > Maff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'James ' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:03 am Subject: TDP Inside the front cover of 'Lily on the Beach' Under the Heading: Tangerine Dream Management Tadream Production P.O. Box 303340 1000 Berlin 30-West Germany Is this the same address as TDI? James np - Lily on the Beach of course! (Too Hot for My CD Player ;-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39300 Re: TDP richter_arne richter_arne Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:59 am Subject: Alien Seagull >Olav Neander > >I remember someone saying the last time this discussion came up that > >the alien seagull sound was NOT on the Sonic Images sampling cd? > > >I don't remember the last discussion... but the only 'sampler' they had >in the 70s was the Mellotron. Maybe they had it on a Mellotron tape or >on another tape recorder? The synths they used, had no possibility to >store sounds (that was another stuff than Edgar & Jerome with both PC >and Mac) - so why can the same sound appear not only on TD, Baumann and >Franke studio recordings, but also on live recordings like Monolight or >even the Mannheim tape...? Apparently it is a modulated sine wave. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39276 Re: Alien Seagull Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB 39283 Re: Alien Seagull mengels@w... mars103nl Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 4:06 am Subject: CD trade-Brazilian releases Hello everyone, I've seen Franke's Epic, Brazilian release, for sale. I also have TD's Cyclone and I know where to find Haslinger's Score, all Brazilian too. If anyone's interested in trading, please contact me offlist (I'm temporarily in no mail mode.) I'd like to trade for original albums. Could be almost anything, from Nine Inch Nails to Schulze to Arvo Pärt, Modrý Efekt, Sigur Rós, Laurie Anderson, Synkopy, Heldon, Göttsching, Kluster, Cluster, Can, Faust, King Crimson... regards, gj now playing tortoise ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: Eric Williamson Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull Quoting Morgan Feldon : > Apparently it is a modulated sine wave. it sounds to my ears like a pair of 30% pulse waves a fifth apart with a highly resonant filter set mid-way on the cutoff. with a moderate-attack/no decay/full sustain/moderate release ADSR envelope applied to both the pitch of both oscillators and also to the VCA (amplitude unit). the whole thing fed through a 200-300ms 40% feedback delay line. though i could very well be wrong. :) i'll try making the sound tomorrow and post my results. i think that he made the sound with the modular or the VCS3 (though it sounds more like a Moog filter) and then recorded it on tape and sent it with their other 'Sound Effects' to Streetly Electronics for their custom 'FX' Mellotron tape set. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From: 'Alessandro' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:29 am Subject: R: [tadream] Re: Christopher franke Home page I'M NOT AGREE, RELEASING SOMETHING IT DOESN'T MEAN PRODUCE SOMETHING OF GOOD. PERSONALLY I PREFERE LONGER BREAK AND THEN A GOOD AND ORIGINAL WORK. ALE -----Messaggio originale----- Da: gyedid01 [mailto:gyedid01@y...] Inviato: venerdì 21 febbraio 2003 0.36 A: tadream@yahoogroups.com Oggetto: [tadream] Re: Christopher franke Home page --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Alessandro' wrote: > Anybody knows why the Christopher franke home page is not updated > anymore? > > Alessandro Maybe that's a reflection of how active he's been, musically speaking, in the past couple of years. You may not like the product TD is putting out these days, but at least they still release SOMETHING. Gabe ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:40 am Subject: Astoria Pictures add hello all, I add all my pictures from the Astoria Concert, Fan Meeting and merchandise items at my Homepage: http://www.opticaldream.de Enjoy it. Cheers heiko http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de http://www.opticaldream.de Sign up for your free PAYPAL account: https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=WDJX3DNKVFJ9E cool link: http://www.klamm.de/?refid=62978 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'braddito ' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:14 am Subject: Astoria show recording(s) sought Several members of the group have mentioned listening to the show again and I'd love to trade for a good sounding copy. Can't get a better memento of a show you've attended can you ? Please contact me off list if you can help. Thanks Toby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39282 Re: Astoria show recording(s) sought Phil White blancmanuk Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Astoria On 20 Feb 2003 at 23:21, Tony Lomax max.lo@n... wrote: > I remember hearing some Zeit sounds. I vaguely recollect they came in > at a point where Iris was randomly hitting what I presumed was a touch > sensitive pad... Afraid I can't remember exactly when this happened, either. It was in the second half of the main set (sometime after Iris's drum solo), and it all kicked off with Edgar starting a sequence on his controls and looking at his watch. Then the repetitive chords from the end of 'Birth of Liquid Plejades' came in (the bit that was ripped from Zeit for the 'From Dawn 'til Dusk' compilation) and formed the basis of some remix-y playing around with older sounds and textures. The chords kept flying in and out a couple of times until the end of that segment. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39284 Re: Astoria billythefish01 billythefish01 Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] First Zeit On 20 Feb 2003 at 23:39, Armin Theissen wrote: > Armin (your infamous 'Zeit'-lover ;-) ) 'Zeit' is a classic. I like your taste, Armin. (My favourite is 'Nebulous Dawn' with its dry, sombre sounds and train-track noises. Well, this must have been recorded in the UK. Only trains in the South-East of England make those noises...:-)) Dennis From: 'Phil White' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria show recording(s) sought Ditto but even more of a plea for those of us for various reasons could not attend.... Hopefully... Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:14 AM Subject: [tadream] Astoria show recording(s) sought > Several members of the group have mentioned listening to the show > again and I'd love to trade for a good sounding copy. Can't get a > better memento of a show you've attended can you ? Please contact me > off list if you can help. > > Thanks > Toby From: mengels@w... Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 10:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull Citeren Morgan Feldon : > > Apparently it is a modulated sine wave. It could be a sine wave but I doubt it as you can hear it's being filtered with a bit of resonance. A sine wave through a filter/resonance doesn't give you a major change in the original sine wave (at least not soundwise). I personally think it's a sawtooth or something like that. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... __________________________________________________________ http://www.wanadoo.nl/ From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 10:26 am Subject: Re: Astoria It was definitely in the second half. I await the recordings to be sure exactly where though. Also in the second half, there was a very lengthy new track (presumably to be released on DM 4) based on one of the Logos sequences. I will need to listen to the original album again to say whether it was part one or two. It seemed very appropriate with the Dominion being just over the road. Rgds, BTF nw Rubycon T shirt --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Nigbur wrote: > On 20 Feb 2003 at 23:21, Tony Lomax max.lo@n... wrote: > > I remember hearing some Zeit sounds. I vaguely recollect they came in > > at a point where Iris was randomly hitting what I presumed was a touch > > sensitive pad... > > Afraid I can't remember exactly when this happened, either. It was in > the second half of the main set (sometime after Iris's drum solo), and it > all kicked off with Edgar starting a sequence on his controls and > looking at his watch. Then the repetitive chords from the end of 'Birth > of Liquid Plejades' came in (the bit that was ripped from Zeit for the > 'From Dawn 'til Dusk' compilation) and formed the basis of some > remix-y playing around with older sounds and textures. The chords > kept flying in and out a couple of times until the end of that segment. > > Dennis From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 10:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea I'm pretty sure that this sound was originally created on a synth (no mellotron), and that that patch was not that complicated that you couldn't reproduce it. It doesn't sound like it would be hard to reproduce it. Some filtered pulse with (ADSR ?) pitch modulation (if we actually speak of the same sound...) Sometimes it is astonishing how close you can get to a sound you heard on record. Almost by chance I once reproduced Tomita's famous 'talking' sound on my Jupiter 6. Never deleted this from the memory banks... armin Olav Neander wrote: > dreamsector schrieb: > > >I remember someone saying the last time this discussion came up that > >the alien seagull sound was NOT on the Sonic Images sampling cd? > > > I don't remember the last discussion... but the only 'sampler' they had > in the 70s was the Mellotron. Maybe they had it on a Mellotron tape or > on another tape recorder? The synths they used, had no possibility to > store sounds (that was another stuff than Edgar & Jerome with both PC > and Mac) - so why can the same sound appear not only on TD, Baumann and > Franke studio recordings, but also on live recordings like Monolight or > even the Mannheim tape...? > > Olav > > Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - > ICQ# 9622825 > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Olav Neander Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 10:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea Armin Theissen schrieb: >I'm pretty sure that this sound was originally created on >a synth (no mellotron), and that that patch was not that >complicated that you couldn't reproduce it. It doesn't >sound like it would be hard to reproduce it. Some filtered >pulse with (ADSR ?) pitch modulation (if we actually >speak of the same sound...) > Yes, we do... I just tried the description given by Eric in another thread here on one of my softsynths... and it's astonishing... >Sometimes it is astonishing how close you can get to >a sound you heard on record. Almost by chance I once >reproduced Tomita's famous 'talking' sound on my >Jupiter 6. Never deleted this from the memory banks... > Hehe, I remember when I spent some time reproducing these very long 'falling star' sounds that Klaus Schulze used on 'Timewind' on my old JP-4. I think I like Eric's theory about the sound on the special FX Mellotron tapes. Olav Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 From: 'loart24 ' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 11:27 am Subject: TD 12' Just a quick question to everyone........ Been surfing some US music websites and found several listing TD 12' of the following: White Eagle, Force Majeure, Heartbreakers, Le Parc, Stratosfear & Underwater Sunlight Do these really exist or do you think they are calling a vinyl LP a 12' ?? Cheers Mat Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39290 Re: TD 12' Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:18 am Subject: Backstage @ TD Heiko Can I ask a simple question please ! How do you manage to get backstage passes to TD gigs ?? is it a case of standing outside the stage door for a week until they let you in ? or do you have to run a TD related website? or just be in the know! I managed to shake hands with Chris Franke at the end of a concert in Birmingham in 1986 I think but thats about my only claim to fame! Mat -----Original Message----- From: heiko@o... [mailto:heiko@o...] Sent: 21 February 2003 07:41 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Cc: tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Astoria Pictures add hello all, I add all my pictures from the Astoria Concert, Fan Meeting and merchandise items at my Homepage: http://www.opticaldream.de Enjoy it. Cheers heiko http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de http://www.opticaldream.de Sign up for your free PAYPAL account: https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=WDJX3DNKVFJ9E cool link: http://www.klamm.de/?refid=62978 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39295 Re: Backstage @ TD heineu heineu Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB From: giuseppe milazzo Date: Thu Feb 20, 2003 10:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TT2 and TT3 downloads how to de-compress the files Hi Chris ! I don't know if I sound silly but I have never download these kind of file so may be I need some form of assistance. Once you download how to de-compress to normal wave file ? Do I need a programme for the job ? Thank you for your assistance Best Regards Giuseppe Another dreamer... Chris Richards wrote:<< The download server is ftp:\\tt.rondua.de. The access is via anonymous > ftp (meaning user name is ftp and password is your email address). > Have fun downloading!>> After some initial difficulty in connecting (my first attempt returned 'Host not found' response), I tried a second time, I'm downloading TT2. Looking forward to listening to this stuff when I'm done! Thanks to whoever it is who has graciously posted this material on his/her server!!!!! :-) ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD 12' I am sure the Voices site could answer that. The only true 12' singles I ever recall personally owning were TATORT, DOLPHIN SMILE, STREETHAWK, and WARSAW IN THE SUN, A TIME FOR HEROES, and TYGER. MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: loart24 > [mailto:mmckenzie@o...] > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 6:27 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] TD 12' > > > Just a quick question to everyone........ > > Been surfing some US music websites and found several listing TD 12' > of the following: > > White Eagle, Force Majeure, Heartbreakers, Le Parc, Stratosfear & > Underwater Sunlight > > Do these really exist or do you think they are calling a vinyl LP a > 12' ?? > > Cheers > Mat > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:28 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Subject: Jerome's Jacket 'John Vertical' wrote: > > On a related note: is anyone else annoyed if a CD's sleeve notes or the back > cover doesn't show the track lenghts? No, but I get very annoyed when a tracklist doesn't show the track numbers, and everytime I want to know the name of the track I'm playing I'll have to count the tracks on the tracklist. Of course this is not a big problem when the CD has only 2 or 3 tracks, but when there are many tracks I often get so annoyed that I scribble the track numbers before the track names... Antonio np: Astoria special release (thanks to you know who) From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:29 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #309 for February 20, 2003 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #309 February 20, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Orbital Decay, a spacemusic duo in the Quakertown area who will be at the next Soundscapes Concert Series on February 22. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Live on EMUSIC.' The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Computer Voice' by Robert Schroeder on Racket Records. I also played the music of Mikronesia, one of the acts that will be appearing at The Gate to Moonbase Alpha on Friday, February 21, 2003. Orbital Decay http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#feb Soundscapes Concert Series http://soundscapes.us The Gate to Moonbase Alpha http://simpletone.com PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Robert Schroeder In Space Computer Voice (Racket) Robert Schroeder Computer Voice Computer Voice (Racket) Mikronesia Flight Sin Mikronesia (none) vidnaObmana Beyond the Shaman Spore (Relapse) Otarion Revival Creator (Neu Harmony) Oophoi Chakai Bardo Bardo (Electroshock) Robert Carty As Above, So Below Tonalities (Deep Sky Music) Alpha Wave Movement Outward Bound A Distant Signal (HRR) Orbital Decay Tangent Orbital Decay (none) 12:00 am Orbital Decay December 27, 2001 Live on EMUSIC (none) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Orbital Decay. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Live on WXPN 8-12-2001.' The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Ricochet' by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:09 pm Subject: Re: gulls by the sea Olav, I fully agree with you and am fully aware of the technical aspect. The mellotron was the only 'sampler' very early on, and I'm sure that they did indeed use it in that manner. In this case I was referring to the alien seagull sound appearing NOW and at the Astoria show. I'm saying that if they wanted to use it now and didn't for some reason have it, they could most likely easily sample it. Cheers! w << Subject: Re: Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea dreamsector schrieb: >I remember someone saying the last time this discussion came up that >the alien seagull sound was NOT on the Sonic Images sampling cd? > I don't remember the last discussion... but the only 'sampler' they had in the 70s was the Mellotron. Maybe they had it on a Mellotron tape or on another tape recorder? The synths they used, had no possibility to store sounds (that was another stuff than Edgar & Jerome with both PC and Mac) - so why can the same sound appear not only on TD, Baumann and Franke studio recordings, but also on live recordings like Monolight or even the Mannheim tape...? Olav>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39294 Re: gulls by the sea Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB From: Olav Neander Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: gulls by the sea Liondream@a... schrieb: >In this case I was referring to the alien seagull sound appearing NOW and at the Astoria show. > Yes, of course... So what sound did you hear at the Astoria? As I wrote earlier, I think I heard a kind of variation of the Alien Seagull - it sounded different from the early stuff - or maybe it just was some other background or percussion sounds that made it sound different to me...? Olav Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 From: 'heineu ' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 3:37 pm Subject: Re: Backstage @ TD For the London Concert I had only a pres/photo pass , no backstage pass!!! the other side , wait after the concert for a door - and hope you will let in !!! Cheers heiko --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Mat Mckenzie' wrote: > Heiko > > Can I ask a simple question please ! How do you manage to get backstage passes to TD gigs ?? is it a case of standing outside the stage door for a week until they let you in ? or do you have to run a TD related website? or just be in the know! > > I managed to shake hands with Chris Franke at the end of a concert in Birmingham in 1986 I think but thats about my only claim to fame! > > Mat > > -----Original Message----- > From: heiko@o... [mailto:heiko@o...] > Sent: 21 February 2003 07:41 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Cc: tangerinedream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Astoria Pictures add > > > hello all, > > I add all my pictures from the Astoria Concert, Fan Meeting and merchandise items at my Homepage: > http://www.opticaldream.de > > Enjoy it. > > Cheers > heiko > http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de > http://www.opticaldream.de > > Sign up for your free PAYPAL account: > https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=WDJX3DNKVFJ9E > > cool link: http://www.klamm.de/?refid=62978 > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 4:02 pm Subject: Alien Seagull >Eric Williamson said: >it sounds to my ears like a pair of 30% pulse waves a fifth apart with a >highly >resonant filter set mid-way on the cutoff. with a moderate-attack/no >decay/full >sustain/moderate release ADSR envelope applied to both the pitch of both >oscillators and also to the VCA (amplitude unit). the whole thing fed >through a >200-300ms 40% feedback delay line. Very descriptive. I tried this in Timbrewolf but had no success. :( -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39308 Re: Alien Seagull Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 4:44 pm Subject: SHNs >Hi Chris ! >I don't know if I sound silly but I have never download these kind of file so >may be I need some form of assistance. >Once you download how to de-compress to normal wave file ? >Do I need a programme for the job ? >Thank you for your assistance >Best Regards >Giuseppe Another dreamer... http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/shnguide/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39298 Re: SHNs Owens, James yxalag2 Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 4:51 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] SHNs WOW! Very well detailed and organized site (and nice looking too)! Excellent job, Morgan. > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > > http://www.feldoncentral.com/tdtree/shnguide/ From: 'David Wakefield' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:01 pm Subject: The Keep CD on Ebay Someone has actually bid £100 for it http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI dll?ViewItem&item=2509132006&category=1566 And it's not meet its reserve Dave W [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39307 Re: The Keep CD on Ebay moxica@a... moxica93 Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB 39310 Re: The Keep CD on Ebay dreamsector dreamsector Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB 39312 Re: The Keep CD on Ebay David Wakefield bolosun Fri 2/21/2003 4 KB 39323 Re: The Keep CD on Ebay Steven Feldman losmara Sat 2/22/2003 3 KB 39324 Re: The Keep CD on Ebay Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk dustych Sat 2/22/2003 3 KB 39343 Re: The Keep CD on Ebay vic rek kyivmission Sun 2/23/2003 2 KB 39346 OT: Sequenced Noise Matthew Stringer Sun 2/23/2003 2 KB 39444 Re: OT: Sequenced Noise Falcon ppgwave2000 Thu 2/27/2003 2 KB From: 'richter_arne ' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:05 pm Subject: Re: TDP --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'James ' wrote: > Inside the front cover of 'Lily on the Beach' > > Under the Heading: > Tangerine Dream Management > > Tadream Production > P.O. Box 303340 > 1000 Berlin 30-West Germany > > Is this the same address as TDI? Yes it is. The zipcode changed in 1993 of course when all of Germany got new zipcodes, but what used to be 'Berlin 30' is now 10728 Berlin, more or less. Armin (from 14057 Berlin) From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:25 pm Subject: Re: alien seagulls again Eric, this is great! Thanks for doing all the work upfront and basically handing over a recipe. I've been meaning to try and program this just for fun. In a few weeks I'll probably have the virtual Moog Modular (yes, Bob Moog gave it his blessing) and it will be fun to try it out on that too. Morgan, I'd be interested in knowing your source, since you said 'apparently.' cheers to all! w << Subject: Re: Alien Seagull Quoting Morgan Feldon : > Apparently it is a modulated sine wave. it sounds to my ears like a pair of 30% pulse waves a fifth apart with a highly resonant filter set mid-way on the cutoff. with a moderate-attack/no decay/full sustain/moderate release ADSR envelope applied to both the pitch of both oscillators and also to the VCA (amplitude unit). the whole thing fed through a 200-300ms 40% feedback delay line. though i could very well be wrong. :) i'll try making the sound tomorrow and post my results. i think that he made the sound with the modular or the VCS3 (though it sounds more like a Moog filter) and then recorded it on tape and sent it with their other 'Sound Effects' to Streetly Electronics for their custom 'FX' Mellotron tape set. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com>>> From: Liondream@a... Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 5:43 pm Subject: Re: seagulls by the sea That used to be my favorite game when I was younger and how I taught myself to program... put on an album (not necessarily TD) and try to replicate some of the sounds. Following on that... another favorite game and an easy way to learn songs as well one way of learning production... put on old TD, Yes, Genesis, and ELP records and play along. Then put on a little 'concert' for friends and make them guess what is coming off the album and what is coming from me. Well, it didn't always work, but it was fun when it did. Again - a useful learning tool. What also backs up Eric's mellotron speculation is a 1977 TD interview in Keyboard as well as the fact that at least some of the sounds (ARP guitar and fuzz lead) have been converted from TDs actual tape banks and are available for the MTron. w << Subject: Re: Re: Astoria and gulls by the sea Armin Theissen schrieb: >I'm pretty sure that this sound was originally created on >a synth (no mellotron), and that that patch was not that >complicated that you couldn't reproduce it. It doesn't >sound like it would be hard to reproduce it. Some filtered >pulse with (ADSR ?) pitch modulation (if we actually >speak of the same sound...) > Yes, we do... I just tried the description given by Eric in another thread here on one of my softsynths... and it's astonishing... >Sometimes it is astonishing how close you can get to >a sound you heard on record. Almost by chance I once >reproduced Tomita's famous 'talking' sound on my >Jupiter 6. Never deleted this from the memory banks... > Hehe, I remember when I spent some time reproducing these very long 'falling star' sounds that Klaus Schulze used on 'Timewind' on my old JP-4. I think I like Eric's theory about the sound on the special FX Mellotron tapes. Olav>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39304 Re: seagulls by the sea Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB 39313 Re: seagulls by the sea dreamsector dreamsector Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB 39315 Re: seagulls by the sea Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB 39331 Re: seagulls by the sea Armin Theissen armin_theissen Sat 2/22/2003 4 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 6:26 pm Subject: Re: early samplers <> Actually, there was also the Chamberlin, which predated the Mellotron. In fact, as I recall, Mellotron was originally started by early associates of the guy who built the Chamberlin. As I understand, Chamberlin actually had patents and eventually did try to sue the Mellotron makers, but was for some reason unsuccessful (as I understand, the Mellotron were able to hire better lawyers and were able to find a loophole in the patent law, or something to that effect). Anyway, my point is, the Mellotron wasn't the only sampler back in the 60's and 70's (and of course, there's the good old tape player). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39305 Re: early samplers Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB 39314 Re: early samplers dreamsector dreamsector Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB From: Olav Neander Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: seagulls by the sea Liondream@a... schrieb: >That used to be my favorite game when I was younger and how I taught myself to program... put on an album (not necessarily TD) and try to replicate some of the sounds. > Great game... did you ever manage to make some kind of Mellotron sound without having a Mellotron? Some friends almost created the Mellotron flute sound with a couple of Korg MS-20 synths and a tape echo... >What also backs up Eric's mellotron speculation is a 1977 TD interview in Keyboard as well as the fact that at least some of the sounds (ARP guitar and fuzz lead) have been converted from TDs actual tape banks and are available for the MTron. > Yes, I bought the Tape banks Vol 2 for the M-tron as a christmas gift to myself... incredible... and don't forget the ARP trombone sound... Olav Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39313 Re: seagulls by the sea dreamsector dreamsector Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB From: Eric Williamson Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:53 pm Subject: Re: early samplers Quoting Chris Richards : > I understand, the Mellotron were able to hire > better lawyers and were able to find a loophole nope. they bought him out, and continued to work together. the whole story is over at http://mellotron.com/ you can buy a new one if you'd like. only 5 or 6 grand. a bargain compared to the 20,000 USD digital B3 (and that's still digital). in fact, you can even buy a mellotron loaded with _exactly_ the same tapes as TD's. that means that this seagull argument could be settled once and for all :) --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39314 Re: early samplers dreamsector dreamsector Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB From: moxica@a... Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TDP And, of course, there is only 'Germany' now... -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'James ' > wrote: > > Inside the front cover of 'Lily on the Beach' > > > > Under the Heading: > > Tangerine Dream Management > > > > Tadream Production > > P.O. Box 303340 > > 1000 Berlin 30-West Germany > > > > Is this the same address as TDI? > > Yes it is. The zipcode changed in 1993 of course when all of Germany > got new zipcodes, but what used to be 'Berlin 30' is now 10728 > Berlin, more or less. > > Armin (from 14057 Berlin) From: moxica@a... Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep CD on Ebay Wow If I had bought a few more CD's, I could have financed my entire trip! Hey Vic, how did you claim your CD's at U.S. Customs? - jim -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... > Someone has actually bid £100 for it > > > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI > dll?ViewItem&item=2509132006&category=1566 > > > > > > And it's not meet its reserve > > > > Dave W > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Eric Williamson Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 7:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Alien Seagull Quoting Morgan Feldon : > Very descriptive. I tried this in Timbrewolf but had no success. :( well it's just a rough guide off the top of my head. i'm sure about the pitch envelope and delay, though. i'll spend some time with my Z1 tonight and see how far i get. maybe i'll nail it down and post a synth patch for it :). --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:02 pm Subject: Mark Jenkins-Sequencer Loops. Hello all May i recommend a stunning CD album by the artist Mark Jenkins,this is one of the FINEST albums i have ever heard,called Sequencer Loops it is released on AMP records www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk.This is an absolute GIANT of an album.BUY IT NOW. Best regards Colin From: 'dreamsector ' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:07 pm Subject: Re: The Keep CD on Ebay That's insane, imo! I haven't seen the movie in a while - the last and first time I saw it was during its theater run. Don't remember the music that much - except I remember liking the music during the love scene. But didn't someone say that it is very similar to Logos? Any thoughts from people who just picked it up at the show? Hmm... I'll have to dig through my lps tonight. I used to have that single shaped like a map of Poland and the edition of Poland with the picture disks. I saw the clear edition of Force Majeure with the circular images off the sleeve on it when it first came up but couldn't afford to get it (in my youth). When I went back a week later (after skipping lunch all week so I could afford it) it was gone. I do have a brand new unopened lp of Near Dark from Germany. The other lps are probably a bit worn from being played, but I have them all - including little pictures of Jerome hidden on the sleeves. Maybe somebody might be interested in these? W --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'David Wakefield' wrote: > Someone has actually bid £100 for it > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI > dll?ViewItem&item=2509132006&category=1566 > > > And it's not meet its reserve > > Dave W > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:16 pm Subject: Lily = Monica? On the original version of Lily, the cover has a woman on a beach, partially pixelated and contrasted into sharp colors. You can't make out too many facial details, but it sure looks like Mrs. Froese (Monica, Monique, or however they're spelling it at the time...) Inside, it credits her with 'photo concept'. Opinions? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39316 Re: Lily = Monica? Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Fri 2/21/2003 3 KB 39317 Re: Lily = Monica? Owens, James yxalag2 Fri 2/21/2003 2 KB 39321 Re: Lily = Monica? Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Sat 2/22/2003 3 KB 39320 Re: Lily = Monica? goozergrafx goozergrafx Sat 2/22/2003 2 KB 39330 Re: Lily = Monica? John Vertical omegatransfinito Sat 2/22/2003 3 KB From: 'David Wakefield' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Keep CD on Ebay I have Poland on picture disc and the Warsaw shaped single. I also have an orginal copy of Molecular Transfer. Must listen to it again one day. Cheers Dave W -------Original Message------- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 21 February 2003 20:07:31 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: The Keep CD on Ebay That's insane, imo! I haven't seen the movie in a while - the last and first time I saw it was during its theater run. Don't remember the music that much - except I remember liking the music during the love scene. But didn't someone say that it is very similar to Logos? Any thoughts from people who just picked it up at the show? Hmm... I'll have to dig through my lps tonight. I used to have that single shaped like a map of Poland and the edition of Poland with the picture disks. I saw the clear edition of Force Majeure with the circular images off the sleeve on it when it first came up but couldn't afford to get it (in my youth). When I went back a week later (after skipping lunch all week so I could afford it) it was gone. I do have a brand new unopened lp of Near Dark from Germany. The other lps are probably a bit worn from being played, but I have them all - including little pictures of Jerome hidden on the sleeves. Maybe somebody might be interested in these? W --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'David Wakefield' wrote: > Someone has actually bid £100 for it > > http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI > dll?ViewItem&item=2509132006&category=1566 > > > And it's not meet its reserve > > Dave W > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'dreamsector ' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:36 pm Subject: Re: seagulls by the sea --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Olav Neander wrote: > > > Liondream@a... schrieb: > > >That used to be my favorite game when I was younger and how I taught myself to program... put on an album (not necessarily TD) and try to replicate some of the sounds. > > > Great game... did you ever manage to make some kind of Mellotron sound > without having a Mellotron? Some friends almost created the Mellotron > flute sound with a couple of Korg MS-20 synths and a tape echo... No, not mellotron. That was a case where a little knowledge was probably self defeating. Because I knew it was a mellotron so I didn't even try it. :-( > > >What also backs up Eric's mellotron speculation is a 1977 TD interview in Keyboard as well as the fact that at least some of the sounds (ARP guitar and fuzz lead) have been converted from TDs actual tape banks and are available for the MTron. > > > Yes, I bought the Tape banks Vol 2 for the M-tron as a christmas gift to > myself... incredible... and don't forget the ARP trombone sound... Yes!!! ...and Chamberlin sounds too (which is another thread). I hope they release further volumes. I think I read that they have access to Klaus Schulz's former mellotron. My favorite combo... MTron Violin 1 or MkII Violins with a bit of reverb and a vintage auto panning phaser. I also like to turn the tone dial back to warm it up a bit. > > Olav > > Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - > ICQ# 9622825 From: 'dreamsector ' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 8:47 pm Subject: Re: early samplers Wouldn't that be cool! I'll wait until I can afford a couple roadies though! --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Eric Williamson wrote: > Quoting Chris Richards : > > I understand, the Mellotron were able to hire > > better lawyers and were able to find a loophole > > nope. they bought him out, and continued to work together. the whole story is > over at http://mellotron.com/ > > you can buy a new one if you'd like. only 5 or 6 grand. a bargain compared to > the 20,000 USD digital B3 (and that's still digital). > > in fact, you can even buy a mellotron loaded with _exactly_ the same tapes as > TD's. that means that this seagull argument could be settled once and for all :) > > > --- > Eric Williamson > www.suitandtieguy.com > > ------------------------------------------------- > This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From: Olav Neander Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: seagulls by the sea dreamsector schrieb: > My favorite combo... MTron Violin 1 or MkII Violins with a bit of >reverb and a vintage auto panning phaser. I also like to turn the tone >dial back to warm it up a bit. > Do you have some samples...? If you're interested, I used the MKII violins on this one: http://artists.mp3s.com/artist_song/2831/2831319.html :-) Olav From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Lily = Monica? I don't have my copy handy, but I think the model was also named in the credits. I don't think it looks like Monica (at least not if I recall how she looks) MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 3:17 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] Lily = Monica? > > > On the original version of Lily, the cover has a woman on a > beach, partially > pixelated and contrasted into sharp colors. You can't make out too many > facial details, but it sure looks like Mrs. Froese (Monica, Monique, or > however they're spelling it at the time...) Inside, it credits her with > 'photo concept'. > > Opinions? > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 9:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Lily = Monica? I couldn't find a model name anywhere. I'll look again tonight. > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > > I don't have my copy handy, but I think the model was also > named in the > credits. I don't think it looks like Monica (at least not if > I recall how > she looks) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39321 Re: Lily = Monica? Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Sat 2/22/2003 3 KB From: Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 10:22 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1701 Patience all. You know that if this show was recorded, it will probably show up on an upcoming Tangerine Tree.... I am confident. Neal ************************** Message: 10 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:33:53 -0000 From: 'Phil White' Subject: Re: Astoria show recording(s) sought Ditto but even more of a plea for those of us for various reasons could not attend.... Hopefully... Phil ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 8:14 AM Subject: [tadream] Astoria show recording(s) sought > Several members of the group have mentioned listening to the show > again and I'd love to trade for a good sounding copy. Can't get a > better memento of a show you've attended can you ? Please contact me > off list if you can help. > > Thanks > Toby ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ From: Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 10:25 pm Subject: Subject: Backstage @ TD Some friends and I went out to dinner with Paul Haslinger after the Sarasota concert in 1988. Great guy. Didn't drink at the time and we had a great laugh when he ordered a Long Island Ice Tea....... Thought it was regular Iced Tea. Neal _________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 16 Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2003 09:18:06 -0000 From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Subject: Backstage @ TD Heiko Can I ask a simple question please ! How do you manage to get backstage passes to TD gigs ?? is it a case of standing outside the stage door for a week until they let you in ? or do you have to run a TD related website? or just be in the know! I managed to shake hands with Chris Franke at the end of a concert in Birmingham in 1986 I think but thats about my only claim to fame! Mat From: 'goozergrafx ' Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 1:41 am Subject: Re: Lily = Monica? --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Owens, James' wrote: > On the original version of Lily, the cover has a woman on a beach, partially > pixelated and contrasted into sharp colors. You can't make out too many > facial details, but it sure looks like Mrs. Froese (Monica, Monique, or > however they're spelling it at the time...) Inside, it credits her with > 'photo concept'. And right underneath that credit, it lists 4 additional credits. including the name of the model: Alice Backes From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 1:43 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Lily = Monica? The model's name is Alice Backes > -----Original Message----- > From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] > Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 4:19 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: RE: [tadream] Lily = Monica? > > > I couldn't find a model name anywhere. I'll look again tonight. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > > > > I don't have my copy handy, but I think the model was also > > named in the > > credits. I don't think it looks like Monica (at least not if > > I recall how > > she looks) > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 3:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] CHEAP INK CARTRIDGES As Robert's leaf I can vouch for the fact that the covers and labels he has printed for me are good quality. As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Robert Grabowsky >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] CHEAP INK CARTRIDGES >Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2003 20:37:01 -0500 > >OK folks PAY ATTENTION: > >For those of you with HP, CANON, or EPSON printers check out these 2 >websites: > >www.allstarinkjet.com > >www.meritline.com > >Both have replacement cartridges CHEAP. They are not factory but they are >identical to the ones you use and the ink is good quality. I have been >using allstarinkjet and a friend of mine has been using meritline. We are >happy with both and they also run specials on combos of color and black >cartridges. No refilling or anything like that. > >Both companies have outstanding service too. > >BTW, I do not get anything for this endorsement. I am just passing on >information for cheap ink. > > THE HIGHLANDER _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: Steven Feldman Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 6:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Keep CD on Ebay On Fri, 21 Feb 2003 20:07:07 -0000 'dreamsector ' writes: >[. . .] I saw the clear edition of Force Majeure with the circular >images off the sleeve on it when it first came up but couldn't >afford to get it (in my youth). When I went back a week later >(after skipping lunch all week so I could afford it) it was gone. I know exactly how you feel. Much the same happened to me with the KEEP LP in early 1984. I saw a copy, asked someone to hold it for me, but he was too busy to indulge me, and when I returned to buy it two days later, it had sold and soon thereafter the disc was pulled from stores and became a legend. That is why the KEEP CDs -- both legit and bootleg -- command high prices: because there has never been a wide commercial release of the music. Steve Feldman (Me) -- 33 Brook Street; Brookline, MA 02445; 617-232-3876; . Robert Carty: 5478 S. 235 E. #E; Murray, UT 84107; 801-281-2157; http://www.california.com/~eameece/carty.htm. Peter Gulch/ Nightcrawlers: 1493 Greenwood Avenue; Camden, NJ 08103; ; http://www.voicenet.com/~pgulch/special.html. SOME CURRENT E-MUSIC Tangerine Dream, Nightcrawlers, Robert Carty, Moroder -- *not* Kraftwerk! +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ | 'THE KEEP' SOUNDTRACK CAME OUT IN 1984. FIVE TD FANS CAN'T BE WRONG! | +-----------------------------------------------------------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 7:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: The Keep CD on Ebay I am not one of those people who picked it up at the show. In fact, I haven't even A/B'd the two carefully. I will still offer my opinion. Logos could have been subtitled Soundtrack To The Keep, Live, for all I could hear, but I would still like to hear studio versions of all those tracks. There might be a few tracks different (I don't believe the love scene shows up anywhere else). You should catch the TV version, extended footage, completely different ending. I only saw it once, but IIRC, there was a good half hour's additional material. 'dreamsector ' wrote: > That's insane, imo! I haven't seen the movie in a while - > the last and first time I saw it was during its theater run. > ... > But didn't someone say that it is very similar to Logos? Any > thoughts from people who just picked it up at the show? -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 7:17 am Subject: Re: Mellotrons Well, I didn't realize they were building Mellotrons. Are they still a pain in the ass to maintain. I remember reading an interview with Marillion's Mark Kelly, who said he had to clean the tape heads before every show or else the tape would get chewed up by the playing mechanism. And of course, the suckers weighed a ton back in the day. Have they fixed that problem? I also remember someone telling me that each keystroke on a Mellotron is like pressing the play button on a cassette player. In other words, you have to use a lot of pressure. Have they fixed that problem? ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 7:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Definitive Edition CD's Yes, they are superior. I managed to get mine at Orpheus in California, and (believe it or not) at Tower Records. You have to shop around at the stores, not online. I would definitely _not_ trust Tower Records online to get it right. I used to see them at CDNow.com, but...I believe that's Amazon.com, now. And it should be Virgin in either case, but you're looking for the _remastered_, SBM, 'Definitive Edition' import versions. Chris Richards wrote: > Ya know, this reminds me: I have NEVER seen > Definitive Edition copies of...I ordered > copies...from the > local Borders, but the copies they recieved were > apparently the original CD releases.... > For that matter, does anyone know if there was > really that much of an improvement on the > Definitive Editions? -- I remain, :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Fri Feb 21, 2003 2:39 pm Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Subject: Jerome's Jacket Antonio I thought i was the only one who thought that - it drives me nuts too! Other related pet hates are track listings in silly fonts you can't read track listings in colours you can't read track listings done round a circle or upside down and magazines with cover CD's that don't tell you what page the listing is on!! Mat -----Original Message----- From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:hyperborean@m...] Sent: 21 February 2003 14:28 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Subject: Jerome's Jacket 'John Vertical' wrote: > > On a related note: is anyone else annoyed if a CD's sleeve notes or the back > cover doesn't show the track lenghts? No, but I get very annoyed when a tracklist doesn't show the track numbers, and everytime I want to know the name of the track I'm playing I'll have to count the tracks on the tracklist. Of course this is not a big problem when the CD has only 2 or 3 tracks, but when there are many tracks I often get so annoyed that I scribble the track numbers before the track names... Antonio np: Astoria special release (thanks to you know who) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 11:10 am Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] annoying tracklists >track listings in silly fonts you can't read >track listings in colours you can't read >track listings done round a circle or upside down >and magazines with cover CD's that don't tell you what page the listing is >on!! I've even seen some CDs which have absolutely no track information on the covers - everything is printed on the CD itself. Is that stupid or what? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'plastics67 ' Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 11:13 am Subject: FTP for TT3 For those of you who prefer to download. I have my ftp up and running. Please contact me offlist for access Robert asmus0324@c... From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 11:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Lily = Monica? > > On the original version of Lily, the cover has a woman on a beach, >partially > > pixelated and contrasted into sharp colors. You can't make out too many > > facial details, but it sure looks like Mrs. Froese (Monica, Monique, or > > however they're spelling it at the time...) Inside, it credits her with > > 'photo concept'. > >And right underneath that credit, it lists 4 additional credits. >including the name of the model: Alice Backes But what about the Lily poem? Is that just another out-of-context fragment of unreleased Froese literature, or a reference to some living person, or what? It's sort of mysterious. ...well, the same could be said for plenty of TD cover stuff - what about that barcode in the Hyperborea cover, for example? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: Armin Theissen Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 12:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: seagulls by the sea Olav Neander wrote: > Liondream@a... schrieb: > > >That used to be my favorite game when I was younger and how I taught myself to program... put on an album (not necessarily TD) and try to replicate some of the sounds. > > > Great game... did you ever manage to make some kind of Mellotron sound > without having a Mellotron? Some friends almost created the Mellotron > flute sound with a couple of Korg MS-20 synths and a tape echo... yep... I came close (not perfect of course, but close) in the mellotron flute and the mellotron string sound on a Roland Jupiter 6. Can't give you the patch right now (I'm sadly separated from my JP6 as I'm in Ireland and the JP6 is in Germany)... armin > > > >What also backs up Eric's mellotron speculation is a 1977 TD interview in Keyboard as well as the fact that at least some of the sounds (ARP guitar and fuzz lead) have been converted from TDs actual tape banks and are available for the MTron. > > > Yes, I bought the Tape banks Vol 2 for the M-tron as a christmas gift to > myself... incredible... and don't forget the ARP trombone sound... > > Olav > > Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - > ICQ# 9622825 > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: René Brenner Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 12:32 pm Subject: webcam on jerome's desk I was just checking the TD website and noticed following news: 'As a small gimmick, we installed a webcam on Jeromes desk .... More infos can be found in our 'Multimedia' section on the left side! I think they should rotate it by 180 degrees. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39334 Re: webcam on jerome's desk Morgan Feldon feldon23 Sat 2/22/2003 2 KB From: 'heineu ' Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 1:21 pm Subject: Astoria Pict. again Hello and a big thank you to all my visitors in the last 24 hours they visit my Astoria Pictures - over 122 visitors in 24 hours , fantastic. Thank you very much. But I saw many error on my larger pictures, the most wasnt available or doesnt loading. This errors are gone. Sorry for this. If you want to see the larger pictures, then look at: http://www.opticaldream.de Cheers heiko - Mr. Optical From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 2:32 pm Subject: Re: webcam on jerome's desk >Rene said: >I was just checking the TD website and noticed following news: > >'As a small gimmick, we installed a webcam on Jeromes desk .... >More infos can be found in our 'Multimedia' section on the left side! > >I think they should rotate it by 180 degrees. And turn on the lights in the TD tape vault and sit the webcam on the shelf for a couple hours, turning it slowly. They make 50 foot USB extension cords, right? No, that would be torture. Better not to know what we will never have. :( Would be nice to see the studio though. :) -Morgan From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 2:32 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Subject: Jerome's Jacket try reading the track list on the outer cover of Pink Floyd's Pulse CD!!!!! or the track list on The Wall!!! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mat Mckenzie' To: Sent: Friday, February 21, 2003 2:39 PM Subject: RE: Re: [tadream] Subject: Jerome's Jacket > Antonio > > I thought i was the only one who thought that - it drives me nuts too! > > Other related pet hates are > > track listings in silly fonts you can't read > track listings in colours you can't read > track listings done round a circle or upside down > and magazines with cover CD's that don't tell you what page the listing is on!! > > Mat > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:hyperborean@m...] > Sent: 21 February 2003 14:28 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Subject: Jerome's Jacket > > > > 'John Vertical' wrote: > > > > On a related note: is anyone else annoyed if a CD's sleeve notes or the back > > cover doesn't show the track lenghts? > > No, but I get very annoyed when a tracklist doesn't show the track numbers, and everytime I want to know the name of the track I'm playing I'll have to count the tracks on the tracklist. Of course this is not a big problem when the CD has only 2 or 3 tracks, but when there are many tracks I often get so annoyed that I scribble the track numbers before the track names... > > Antonio > > np: Astoria special release (thanks to you know who) > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 2:38 pm Subject: alien Seagulls Perhaps if members who recreate sounds could post it to a new directory at yahoo for us all to try?? My Yamaha DJX is crying out for some samples!!!! Paulus.d Ps are there any software synths available Shareware or freeware that have MIDI keyboard input to play them? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 2:26 pm Subject: Meta Morph Magic I think this remix is really great. Yep, I will be buying DM4. Does anyone who has heard it think there are similarities with The Orb at 4.30 and Orbital at 5.10? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39348 Re: Meta Morph Magic gyedid01 gyedid01 Mon 2/24/2003 2 KB From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 2:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria Volkmar said 'I saw you leaving the queue, hope you were lucky at the other queue (was there another merchandising queue? at least this is what I heard people talking about - I didn't want to give it a try...)' I rejoined a group of people I was with to see the start of the show. After the main set I rushed down to the merchandise stand. Luckily there was no queue and I got back at the start of USSR. David From: Steven Feldman Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 4:47 pm Subject: Alternate KEEP Endings (was The Keep CD on Ebay) On Sat, 22 Feb 2003 02:02:33 -0500 Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk writes: >You should catch the TV version, extended footage, completely >different ending. I only saw it once, but IIRC, there was a >good half hour's additional material. I don't know about a whole half hour. Please tell me what you can recall of this ending. I myself have seen two extended endings, and they both ran only about three and a half minutes longer. Take a look at the text at http://thekeep.0catch.com for a description of these two endings (plus one other). >I remain, >:-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk -- Steven Feldman -- webmaster of the KEEP website at http://thekeep.0catch.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Feb 22, 2003 6:43 pm Subject: Re: thread softly synth Not sure exactly what you mean... e.g., there are quite a few (and some even good) freeware vsti softsynths out there. VSTi (or dxi) usually implying that you need a host. They all (plugins) allow for midi keyboard input via the host. For stand-alone, you usually have to get a shareware or commercial one. If you are not running a host or do not have a lot of other gear, one that I can recommend is the Vaz+ (not 2002). I say Vaz+ because it's only about $30 or $40 I believe and works nicely as both a stand-alone and a plugin. I would have said Vaz 2002, but I think the price is significantly more. The Vaz+ also has a nice sequencer in it that is fun to play with. I could go on and and on and on and on about this topic, so if you want to discuss further, feel free to contact me off-list. Also check out www.kvr-vst.com for more softsynth info and discussion. They have a nice listing of what's available, including links to the various makers as well as lots of user reviews. The people who hang out there run the gamut from people who are just starting out all the way to people like Eric Persing and Rob Papen. Cheers! w In a message dated 2/22/2003 12:14:00 PM Central Standard Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:38:17 -0000 > From: 'Paul Dryden' > Subject: alien Seagulls > > Perhaps if members who recreate sounds could post it to a new directory at > yahoo for us all to try?? > My Yamaha DJX is crying out for some samples!!!! > Paulus.d > Ps are there any software synths available Shareware or freeware that have > MIDI keyboard input to play them? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39386 Re: thread softly synth Mat Mckenzie loart24 Tue 2/25/2003 5 KB From: 'K. W. Beal' Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 4:44 am Subject: ISO: Mike Oldfield Hello.. I am looking to trade for the following Mike Oldfield shows.. 02 NOV 1982 - Cologne, France (2cds) 27 JUL 1999 - Cirkus, Stockholm (2cds) If you have both or just one, please contact me offlist. I have a large and varied list (see link below). TIA, Ken -- 'The stuff that dreams are made of.' Sam Spade - The Maltese Falcon - 1941. Trade list: http://www32.brinkster.com/noir43 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39391 ISO: Mike Oldfield Klaus Beschorner Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 11:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Definitive Edition CD's The only real problems are all the typos on track titles. I presume they used a proof reader to check them out but all I can say is that he/she wasn't earning his/her money. 'Encore' remains somewhat problematic IMO. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Peter Prisekin aka Dusty Chalk' To: Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:16 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Definitive Edition CD's > Yes, they are superior. I managed to get mine at Orpheus in > California, and (believe it or not) at Tower Records. You > have to shop around at the stores, not online. I would > definitely _not_ trust Tower Records online to get it right. > I used to see them at CDNow.com, but...I believe that's > Amazon.com, now. And it should be Virgin in either case, > but you're looking for the _remastered_, SBM, 'Definitive > Edition' import versions. > > Chris Richards wrote: > > Ya know, this reminds me: I have NEVER seen > > Definitive Edition copies of...I ordered > > copies...from the > > local Borders, but the copies they recieved were > > apparently the original CD releases.... > > For that matter, does anyone know if there was > > really that much of an improvement on the > > Definitive Editions? > -- > I remain, > :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 2:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] The Keep CD on Ebay > Wow If I had bought a few more CD's, I could have financed my entire trip! > > Hey Vic, how did you claim your CD's at U.S. Customs? Customs - what customs? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39346 OT: Sequenced Noise Matthew Stringer Sun 2/23/2003 2 KB 39444 Re: OT: Sequenced Noise Falcon ppgwave2000 Thu 2/27/2003 2 KB From: Paul Fellows Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria Hi all, Nice to see some of you in the Jack Horner last week, I stayed in England for a week so this is the first time I've been able to check my mail. A special hi to Vic and Jim from the states (thanks for your kind comments about the DSC Jim, you're the first person after all this time to compliment it) and to both Heikos, really nice guys. Talking of queueing, I have to admit that I managed to get right to the front of ther queue without breaking the laws which go with being English, just had incredible luck. How did I do it? Well... I had ordered my ticket online from wayahead ticket services as advised by TDI, but because I was a little late I had to pick up my ticket from the venue when the doors opened at 6pm. My wife was with me (but is not a fan), and as you all know it was bloody freezing that day so when I mentioned that the venue had seats she finally cracked and decided she would come to the concert after all :-) This was at 2pm - went into the box office and bought her a ticket for that evening no problem for cost price (20 pounds) so I was a bit gutted after paying booking fees and postage for the other one (they weren't able to give me it though, it hadn't arrived yet). This however turned out to be a blessing in disguise. After coming out of the Jack Horner at about 5pm and grabbing something to eat we went to the venue. Queue was already longer than the premier of a new Star Wars film so went to the doors and tried to get into the box office. By this time they were locked, no chance of getting in and full of security guards. As luck would have it a couple of people came out so we went in quite casually and got right up to the box office window before being questioned. The security guard informed us that those who needed to pick up their tickets would have to queue at the right hand of the 3 doors (the long queue was at the left hand one). So there we were at the front of the queue, we were the first to get in and hence first to the merchandising stand :-) Martin K was there (he needed a copy of the Keep to play as background music before the concert started), nice guy, he said it was nice to put a face to a name (he is familiar with the Dream Gallery site). As a result I now have 2 spare copies each of the Keep and the special release CD and one of the Sony Centre score. So if anyone out there needs these and has bothered to read this far down, your luck might be in, I'm looking for any of the following in exchange: Das Madchen auf der Treppe ('97 Remix) promo CD single I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You CD single Cat Scan promo CD single Marakesh promo CD single Desert Train promo CD single Mars Polaris mispressing The Keep (1997) Any Peter Baumann 7' singles from France except Biking down the Strand Even my wife said it was a better concert than the last one she saw (Shepherd's Bush '96, again under duress) and I have to agree that the musical content was superior to many of their recent concerts. The bass was a bit boomy where we were sat on the balcony though. Couldn't stay afterwards unfortunately, we had to drive up to Oxford the same evening to stay with friends, but didn't experience anything like the parking and transport problems we were expecting - parked in a side street near Hammersmith Odeon :-) Couldn't have asked for a better day really. Even got my copy of TT3 direct from Heiko, so have plenty of listening material now :-) Paul on 20/02/03 23:43, Volkmar Friauf at colognese@g... wrote: >> >> 2 Volkmar Friauf said 'the British like to queue up', as one visitor >> explained to me ;-) >> >> Hi Volkmar, that was me. The worst crime you can commit in the UK is >> jumping the queue! > > Hi David, > > at least I made it to the end of the queue and got the Astoria CD! (I hope > that leaving the queue for the gents' room while my wife was waiting in the > queue was not a violation of U.K. laws...) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39373 Re: Astoria Jim Moore moxica93 Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39374 The Switch Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Tue 2/25/2003 3 KB From: Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 7:18 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze items for sale hello all, I have following items from Klaus schulze for sale, if you interested in one or more items, please make me a offer and send a email to: heiko@o... all items are in mint condition, and I send out all items without jewel cases - save shipping costs. Klaus Schulze Vinyl: 01. Armageddon dildos feat KS - We are what we are / DJ Vinyl incl Cyber Club Mix 09:12 02. KS - Staraction / Metronome 0080.087 / 2LP Klaus Schulze CD`s: 03. Audentity / Metronome 817194-2 / 2CD / first release on Cd 04. Cyborg / FNAC Music 662011 / 2CD / 1991 rel. 05. X / Metronome 833627-2 / 2CD 06. Totantag / Zyx 81014-2 / 2CD / 1994 rel. 07. 2001 / Brain 511295-2 / Sampler / CD 08. Blackdance / Metronome 833129-2 / CD 09. Cyborg / Spalax 14922 / Digi Pack / 2CD / 1995 rel. 10. Irrlicht / Spalax 14921 / Digi Pack / CD / 1995 rel. 11. Das Wagner Desaster / Zyx 90000-2 / 2CD / 1994 rel. 12. Goes Classic / Zyx 20297-2 / 1994 rel. 13. 72-92 the Essential / Virgin 7243 8 39300 2 9 / 2CD / 1994 rel. / France 14. En=Trance / Metronome 835158-2 / CD / 1988 rel. 15. Dreams / metronome 831206-2 / CD / 1986 rel. 16. Angst / Thunderbolt CDTH 027 / CD / UK Release / OST 17.Transfer / Metronome 823 605-2 / CD 18. Dig it / Metronome 811632-2 / CD 19. Timewind / Virgin VJCP 23040 / CD / 1991 rel. / Japan 20. Picture Music / A.V.I. CD 2003 / 1986 rel. / France 21. Moondawn / Polydor POCP-2380 / with OBI / japan Cheers Heiko http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de http://www.opticaldream.de FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER: Click to subscribe to ashranewsletter: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter/join Sign up for your Paypal account: https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=WDJX3DNKVFJ9E cool link: http://www.klamm.de/?refid=62978 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 7:43 pm Subject: OT: Sequenced Noise Just watched the demo on 3dMark 03 the PC graphics benchmarking software from Future Mark. At the end during the credits there is some kickass synth music by a group who call themselves 'Sequenced Noise'. I was wondering if there is anyone on the list who knows anything about them and if they have done anything else. Take care, Matthew Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39444 Re: OT: Sequenced Noise Falcon ppgwave2000 Thu 2/27/2003 2 KB From: 'Robert Wear' Date: Sun Feb 23, 2003 5:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1704 If you don't mind waiting, you can get the Definitive Editions from these guys http://www.absound.ca/ I got most of mine there. Robert Wear Rome GA > To: > Sent: Saturday, February 22, 2003 8:16 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Definitive Edition CD's > > > > Yes, they are superior. I managed to get mine at Orpheus in > > California, and (believe it or not) at Tower Records. You > > have to shop around at the stores, not online. I would > > definitely _not_ trust Tower Records online to get it right. > > I used to see them at CDNow.com, but...I believe that's > > Amazon.com, now. And it should be Virgin in either case, > > but you're looking for the _remastered_, SBM, 'Definitive > > Edition' import versions. > > > > Chris Richards wrote: > > > Ya know, this reminds me: I have NEVER seen > > > Definitive Edition copies of...I ordered > > > copies...from the > > > local Borders, but the copies they recieved were > > > apparently the original CD releases.... > > > For that matter, does anyone know if there was > > > really that much of an improvement on the > > > Definitive Editions? > > -- > > I remain, > > :-Peter aka :-Dusty :-Chalk > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ From: 'gyedid01 ' Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 2:17 am Subject: Re: Meta Morph Magic --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'fozziebear' wrote: > I think this remix is really great. Yep, I will be buying DM4. > > Does anyone who has heard it think there are similarities with The Orb at 4.30 and Orbital at 5.10? > > David It's entirely possible, seeing as how Jerome managed to sneak some nods to Kraftwerk and Gary Numan into 'The Comfort Zone'. I haven't heard this remix, but it would be consistent with what Jerome's done before. Gabe From: peter.stoeferle@t... Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 10:45 am Subject: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Hi, you want to find some strange sci-fi related stuff about the planet Mota, an Atma weapon and a space base on Saturn? Go to: http://www.almasymarquis.com/rocketcanyon/fiction/atfp/pizza3.htm A source of inspiration (for those who always wonder where TD's record and track titles come from)?!? :-) Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39351 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? John Vertical omegatransfinito Mon 2/24/2003 3 KB 39352 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Mon 2/24/2003 3 KB 39353 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? thomas.soucheleau@n... canadiurne Mon 2/24/2003 3 KB 39354 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? John Vertical omegatransfinito Mon 2/24/2003 2 KB 39355 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? braddito braddito Mon 2/24/2003 2 KB 39361 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Rolf Elfström rcade666 Mon 2/24/2003 2 KB 39362 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Adele Outland outlanda60 Mon 2/24/2003 2 KB 39363 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Volkmar Friauf colognese2002 Mon 2/24/2003 2 KB 39365 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Antonio Nunes ajogon Mon 2/24/2003 2 KB From: Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:09 am Subject: Duncan Mckee Hello Duncan, Please contact me off-list with your mailing address. I have several e-mail addresses from you and I know you have been changing isp's lately. I am not sure which e-mail address to use. Thanks Neal In God's Love Neal 'You can't take it with you - but you CAN send it on ahead - Give.' Pastor Tom Mullins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? >Hi, > >you want to find some strange sci-fi related stuff about the planet >Mota, an Atma weapon and a space base on Saturn? Go to: > >http://www.almasymarquis.com/rocketcanyon/fiction/atfp/pizza3.htm > >A source of inspiration (for those who always wonder where TD's record >and track titles come from)?!? >:-) > >Peter They come from _pop culture_ ? AcK. I guess we'll have to suspect Jerome for this. Gee, what will we see next? Another 'Classic Years' release getting entitled 'The Yatta Files'? (referring to http://www.verylowsodium.com/fanimutation/exuberance.php) --Wait a minute. If Mota Atma was supposed to be a soundtrack... so is it going to be a soundtrack for some Sailor Moon (etc.) movie? **does not compute** John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39352 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Mon 2/24/2003 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 12:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? At 13:30 24.02.03, you wrote: > >Hi, > > > >you want to find some strange sci-fi related stuff about the planet > >Mota, an Atma weapon and a space base on Saturn? Go to: > > > >http://www.almasymarquis.com/rocketcanyon/fiction/atfp/pizza3.htm > > > >A source of inspiration (for those who always wonder where TD's record > >and track titles come from)?!? > >:-) > > > >Peter Dear all, the title 'Mota Atma' is NOT taken from any kind of SF-source. I´ll leave the riddle for you to solve, though... ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 4:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Well, to me, it sounds more like a song from the lion king. :) Thomas. >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com >De: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:06:18 +0100 >Sujet: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? > >At 13:30 24.02.03, you wrote: >> >Hi, >> > >> >you want to find some strange sci-fi related stuff about the planet >> >Mota, an Atma weapon and a space base on Saturn? Go to: >> > >> >http://www.almasymarquis.com/rocketcanyon/fiction/atfp/pizza3.htm >> > >> >A source of inspiration (for those who always wonder where TD's record >> >and track titles come from)?!? >> >:-) >> > >> >Peter > >Dear all, > >the title 'Mota Atma' is NOT taken from any kind of SF-source. I´ll leave >the riddle for you to solve, though... ;-) > > >Best regards, > >Martin Kasprzak >TDI- Music- Support. >Tel:-49-30-23620995 >Fax:-49-30-23620996 > >Visit our Website at: > >http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 12:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? >Dear all, > >the title 'Mota Atma' is NOT taken from any kind of SF-source. I´ll leave >the riddle for you to solve, though... ;-) > > >Best regards, > >Martin Kasprzak *whew* I searched further for Mota Atma, and besides that SF-tale, I found lots of Portuguese and Indian documents, animal porn (?!?), and of course, raports of the Astoria show. -Any possibility of an Atem reference? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39355 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? braddito braddito Mon 2/24/2003 2 KB From: 'braddito ' Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 1:40 pm Subject: Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? An interesting selection of topics. The cover art for the third choice would best be avoided, but might sell well in Wales and New Zealand. TDI/TDP could sell inflatables as the next gig. The Indian topic looks most likely to me - time to look further methinks. Martin, let us know if we're getting close to the answer. Toby > *whew* > I searched further for Mota Atma, and besides that SF-tale, I found lots of > Portuguese and Indian documents, animal porn (?!?), and of course, raports > of the Astoria show. > > -Any possibility of an Atem reference? > > John Vertical From: 'vic rek' Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria > special hi to Vic and Jim from the states (thanks for your kind comments > about the DSC Jim, you're the first person after all this time to compliment > it) and to both Heikos, really nice guys. It was great to meet the creator Paul Fellows of DSC. Too bad that there hasn't been too much more discussion on this release - I guess it hasn't made the rounds yet? > So if anyone out > there needs these and has bothered to read this far down, your luck might be > in, I'm looking for any of the following in exchange: > > Das Madchen auf der Treppe ('97 Remix) promo CD single > I Just Want to Rule My Own Life Without You CD single > Cat Scan promo CD single > Marakesh promo CD single > Desert Train promo CD single > Mars Polaris mispressing > The Keep (1997) > Any Peter Baumann 7' singles from France except Biking down the Strand I hope someone can help Paul find some of these - I wish I had extras to offer. Looks like these are the tough ones to find, esp. the USA promo CD singles. Vic From: 'Glynn Naughton ' Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 3:05 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze is doing something soon Hello, I was just rooting around on Rainhorse records' site and saw this: >Music sounds better with you >Klaus Schulze wird am 08. März 2003 auf dem Alesis-Stand (Halle 5) >anlässlich der diesjährigen Musikmesse in Frankfurt (05. - 09. März >2003 ) von 12:00 bis 13:30 Uhr Autogramme geben. Dabei werden >auch .200 signierte Cd's mit einem speziell für Alesis komponierten >Titel (Andromeda ca. 20 Minuten) von KS verteilt. See u there! >Alle Informationen zur Musikmesse in Frankfurt findet Ihr unter >www.musikmesse.de. I suspect that this says that KS will be signing autographs at this Musikmesse thingy a week next Saturday, but as my German is as rusty as old shipyards, I'm not really sure. Perhaps someone who reads German can elucidate? Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39359 Re: Klaus Schulze is doing something soon Armin Theissen armin_theissen Mon 2/24/2003 4 KB 39375 Re: Klaus Schulze is doing something soon Yannick EDOM Edom_Y Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39377 Re: Klaus Schulze is doing something soon John Marchington johnmarch1938 Tue 2/25/2003 4 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 3:37 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Lily = Alice Thanks for clearing it up. Guess I'm blind... > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > > The model's name is Alice Backes From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 3:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze is doing something soon It says that KS will give autographs at the Alesis-booth on the music fair in Frankfurt on March 8th (exhibition hall 5) from 12 to 3:30 pm. He will also distribute 200 signed CDs with a 20 minute piece called 'Andromeda' especially composed for Alesis. Will somebody be there? Naturarlly I'm keen on that CD! armin Glynn Naughton wrote: > Hello, > > I was just rooting around on Rainhorse records' site and saw this: > > >>Music sounds better with you >>Klaus Schulze wird am 08. März 2003 auf dem Alesis-Stand (Halle 5) >>anlässlich der diesjährigen Musikmesse in Frankfurt (05. - 09. März >>2003 ) von 12:00 bis 13:30 Uhr Autogramme geben. Dabei werden >>auch .200 signierte Cd's mit einem speziell für Alesis komponierten >>Titel (Andromeda ca. 20 Minuten) von KS verteilt. See u there! >>Alle Informationen zur Musikmesse in Frankfurt findet Ihr unter >>www.musikmesse.de. >> > > I suspect that this says that KS will be signing autographs at this > Musikmesse thingy a week next Saturday, but as my German is as rusty > as old shipyards, I'm not really sure. Perhaps someone who reads > German can elucidate? > > Glynn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 3:53 pm Subject: Extra Videos I have the following DVDs and VCDs that I can swap for TD and non-TD EM items. If you have extra items to swap, drop me a note off-list. DVD: TD What A Blast US Region 1 TD Oasis Hong Kong Region 3 diff. cover VCD: Firestarter Risky Business Video Dream Mixes Oasis Rgds Jeffrey From: Rolf Elfström Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 5:40 pm Subject: Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? >the title 'Mota Atma' is NOT taken from any kind of SF-source. I´ll leave >the riddle for you to solve, though... ;-) > >Best regards, >Martin Kasprzak Hmm, my limited knowledge of the various indian languages would suggest something like 'Meeting/Gathering(or Collision/Connection) of Souls'... (if it's at all indian in origin). But that's just an idea for a 'translation', I have no clue or suggestion where it might be taken from. Rolf (guessing away) =) From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 5:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? I noticed on the Lisner concert that it was emceed by Professor Mota; he sounds Indian. 8-Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'braddito ' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? >Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:40:37 -0000 > >An interesting selection of topics. The cover art for the third >choice would best be avoided, but might sell well in Wales and New >Zealand. TDI/TDP could sell inflatables as the next gig. > >The Indian topic looks most likely to me - time to look further >methinks. _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Volkmar Friauf Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 5:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? At 13:06 24.02.2003, Martin Kasprzak wrote: >the title 'Mota Atma' is NOT taken from any kind of SF-source. I´ll leave >the riddle for you to solve, though... ;-) If I'm not wrong, 'Atma' is a word for 'divinity' or 'soul' in - hm, in Hinduism... not sure about what language it is! And Mota? Google mentiones an island Mota which belongs to the state of Vanuatu (it's one of the islands which were hit by a heavy storm in January). Regards, Volkmar From: 'Andrei Stcherbatchenko' Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 5:52 pm Subject: Attn: Chris Stewart Chris , please contact me off-list regarding Classic Tree. I sent you blanks package 5 weeks ago, received no reply. Thanks in advance. -- Andrei From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 7:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Adele Outland wrote: > > I noticed on the Lisner concert that it was emceed by Professor Mota; he > sounds Indian. 8-Dell Or Portuguese, as Mota is also a Portuguese surname. No wonder John Vertical has found many Portuguese documents with the name Mota in them! Antonio np: TT3 Vol.17 - brilliant! From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 7:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? My searches produced probably the same Portuguese and Indian documents. I also read the words backwards and one of them becomes atom. Anyone for scrabble? David From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 11:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? In a message dated 2/24/2003 4:05:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, martin@t... writes: > the title 'Mota Atma' is NOT taken from any kind of SF-source. I´ll leave > the riddle for you to solve, though... ;-) > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > *Hmmm, well Mota is Atom spelled backwards and Atma is Sanskrit for soul.... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39376 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39381 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? braddito braddito Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39382 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39384 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? braddito braddito Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39388 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Tue 2/25/2003 3 KB 39392 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Tony Lomax tmaxlo Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39410 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 2/26/2003 2 KB From: kayleighsdad@h... Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 12:06 am Subject: Any TD touring ever? Just a curious question. I know that Tangerine Dream was set to play awhile ago in Detroit, but cancelled the tour thanks to the 9-11 stuff, but just curious IF a TD tour is imminent anytime in the future, if anyone has heard a thing or not? From lack of info lately, most likely a not, but thought I'd ask, as I've been a fan for years, and have never had the opportunity to see them live. Figure at least we DO HAVE the opportunity to trade live boots (which have been awesome so far to date), so at least that option is there. Thanks for any help or info. Peace. dan The Rugrats Romper Room - Online! http://www.iloverugrats.com AOL IM - kayleighsdad Yahoo Messenger - kayleighsdaddy IcQ - 202962471Get more from the Web. FREE MSN Explorer download : http://explorer.msn.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39369 Re: Any TD touring ever? Synthhtnys@a... Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 12:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Any TD touring ever? In a message dated 2/24/2003 4:07:36 PM Pacific Standard Time, kayleighsdad@h... writes: > Thanks for any help or info. Peace. > > dan > *Hang on a second, do I recognize your name (kayleighsdad) from the Ambrosia list? Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 12:26 am Subject: RE: Mota Atma and TDI According to my (West India) Hindu buddies: Mota = fat Attma = soul fat soul? gathering of souls sounded good, whoever said that. C'mon Martin this is the age of the internet, we need answers now. I think its a crime to allow fans to fleece fans, please make TDI releases available to all. Someone was kind enough to make me a copy of The Keep, I would replace it with a real copy at a reasonable price, 20 pounds/$32 is alot. I guess if you can sell your copy on ebay for 100 pounds then 20 pounds is a good investment. Thanks, Steve From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 12:34 am Subject: Re: musikmesse thingy Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2003 15:05:33 -0000 From: 'Glynn Naughton ' Subject: Klaus Schulze is doing something soon Hello, I was just rooting around on Rainhorse recor The Musikmesse is an annual music technology/instrument show in Frankfurt. I think it may be even bigger (and definitely cooler) than even NAMM. (U.S. version) This says that Klaus Schulze will be at the Alesis stand (a manufacturer) on March 8th from noon until 1:30 pm to give autographs. It looks like he's autographing 200 limited edition cds (I can see people lunging for the ebay site already). The cds feature a specially composed piece for Alesis called Andromeda. The piece is about 20 minutes long. Andromeda, btw, is Alesis' REAL analog synth. One assumes Andromeda probably features the Andromeda (and other Alesis products). How's that? w <<' Subject: Klaus Schulze is doing something soon Hello, I was just rooting around on Rainhorse records' site and saw this: >Music sounds better with you >Klaus Schulze wird am 08. März 2003 auf dem Alesis-Stand (Halle 5) >anlässlich der diesjährigen Musikmesse in Frankfurt (05. - 09. März >2003 ) von 12:00 bis 13:30 Uhr Autogramme geben. Dabei werden >auch .200 signierte Cd's mit einem speziell für Alesis komponierten >Titel (Andromeda ca. 20 Minuten) von KS verteilt. See u there! >Alle Informationen zur Musikmesse in Frankfurt findet Ihr unter >www.musikmesse.de. I suspect that this says that KS will be signing autographs at this Musikmesse thingy a week next Saturday, but as my German is as rusty as old shipyards, I'm not really sure. Perhaps someone who reads German can elucidate? Glynn>>> From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 12:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' > the title 'Mota Atma' is NOT taken from any kind of SF-source. I´ll leave > the riddle for you to solve, though... ;-) Riddle me this, Mr K. There's no SF link, but one of the tracks it titled 'Gate of Saturn'? Sounds Science-Fictioney to me. Maff From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 12:23 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Astoria From: Paul Fellows [mailto:pfellows@c...] > Nice to see some of you in the Jack Horner last week, I stayed in England for a week so this is the first time I've been able to check my mail. A special hi to Vic and Jim from the states (thanks for your kind comments about the DSC Jim, you're the first person after all this time to compliment it) and to both Heikos, really nice guys. Well, I'll ramble a bit more -- for me one of the delights was the music from The Switch. I've never seen the movie (or been able to find it anywhere), but the music was unique from almost all other TD music in that it was almost completely piano work. Kind of like Rumplestiltskin, but less atmospheric. - jim Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39374 The Switch Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Tue 2/25/2003 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:32 am Subject: The Switch Well Jim there is a story behind 'The Switch' making it to the DSC. Here goes: One Saturday while my Mom was watching True Story Saturdays on Movieplex I came in to find her watching this movie called 'The Switch'. It is a movie about a young man who became a quadrapeligic after a car accident. The young man was played by Gary Cole of 'Midnight Caller', 'B5 Crusade' and 'American Gothic' fame. He fought for the right to have a switch installed on his ventilator within the courts of Georgia and didnot have any success with that. And the story goes on. Anyway while watching the movie I am listening to the music and thinking to myself that this sounds alot like TD and maybe that it was. I had never heard of TD doing this movie soundtrack. After the movie was over, Mom tells me 'By hte way, the music was done by Tangerine Dream'. I said 'Thanks Mom for making me suffer thinking it was TD and not telling me till it was done.' After that I told Morgan as I knew he was working on the DSC and he capped it with Tivo and extracted the music from the video. And that is the story behind 'The Switch' THE HIGHLANDER Jim said: >Well, I'll ramble a bit more -- for me one of the delights was the music >from The Switch. I've never seen the movie (or been able to find it >anywhere), but the music was unique from almost all other TD music in that >it was almost completely piano work. Kind of like Rumplestiltskin, but less >atmospheric. From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 6:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze is doing something soon Hi everyone > > It says that KS will give autographs at the Alesis-booth > on the music fair in Frankfurt on March 8th (exhibition > hall 5) from 12 to 3:30 pm. He will also distribute > 200 signed CDs with a 20 minute piece called 'Andromeda' > especially composed for Alesis. > > > Will somebody be there? Naturarlly I'm keen on that CD! > I'm interested in this CD too. Is there someone who can get a copy for me ? Best wishes Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? > >*Hmmm, well Mota is Atom spelled backwards and Atma is Sanskrit for soul.... > >Poly > > The candidate gets 100 points! Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39381 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? braddito braddito Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39382 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39384 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? braddito braddito Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39388 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Tue 2/25/2003 3 KB 39392 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Tony Lomax tmaxlo Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39410 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 2/26/2003 2 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 11:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze is doing something soon I would be too! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:48 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze is doing something soon > > It says that KS will give autographs at the Alesis-booth > on the music fair in Frankfurt on March 8th (exhibition > hall 5) from 12 to 3:30 pm. He will also distribute > 200 signed CDs with a 20 minute piece called 'Andromeda' > especially composed for Alesis. > > > Will somebody be there? Naturarlly I'm keen on that CD! > > armin > > > Glynn Naughton wrote: > > > Hello, > > > > I was just rooting around on Rainhorse records' site and saw this: > > > > > >>Music sounds better with you > >>Klaus Schulze wird am 08. März 2003 auf dem Alesis-Stand (Halle 5) > >>anlässlich der diesjährigen Musikmesse in Frankfurt (05. - 09. März > >>2003 ) von 12:00 bis 13:30 Uhr Autogramme geben. Dabei werden > >>auch .200 signierte Cd's mit einem speziell für Alesis komponierten > >>Titel (Andromeda ca. 20 Minuten) von KS verteilt. See u there! > >>Alle Informationen zur Musikmesse in Frankfurt findet Ihr unter > >>www.musikmesse.de. > >> > > > > I suspect that this says that KS will be signing autographs at this > > Musikmesse thingy a week next Saturday, but as my German is as rusty > > as old shipyards, I'm not really sure. Perhaps someone who reads > > German can elucidate? > > > > Glynn > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Derek Hicks' Date: Mon Feb 24, 2003 7:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 SHN files available for download Absolutely fantastic work - thanks so much. Does anything exist in a similar light for video recordings of TD live ? Thanks again Kind regards Derek From: 'P.M. Dierking' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:12 am Subject: Re: Mota Atma, Sanskrit? I can't help but think the term is something to do with Mongolian or Chukchi language--it has almost a siberian feel. If I read 'Mota Atma' as sanskritized prakrit, I can render a translation of 'soul transportation'. atma = atman = soul mota = muta = means of transport (or alternatively 'large quantity or container of grain') So if I take the alternative meaning of 'mota' perhaps Mota Atma is an old Froese family recipe for a really heavy schwarzbrot, the kind that would break your bread knife right off at the handle. After all, if one takes a look at the cover art, it does sort of look like tangerine colored rye grains being swirled about. Martin, am I right about the schwarzbrot? Do I win a prize? A loaf of the famous Froese Family Mota Atma Schwarzbrot? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? > > the title 'Mota Atma' is NOT taken from any kind of SF-source. I´ll >leave > > the riddle for you to solve, though... ;-) > > >Riddle me this, Mr K. There's no SF link, but one of the tracks it titled >'Gate >of Saturn'? Sounds Science-Fictioney to me. > > >Maff 'Backwards atoms', Sanskrit words and a 'gate of saturn'? I'm getting a very occultistic feeling here.. not sci-fictional. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: 'braddito ' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 2:24 pm Subject: Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? So that means no inflatable sheep at the next gig then ! --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > > >*Hmmm, well Mota is Atom spelled backwards and Atma is Sanskrit for soul.... > > > >Poly > > The candidate gets 100 points! > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39382 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39384 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? braddito braddito Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39388 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Tue 2/25/2003 3 KB 39392 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Tony Lomax tmaxlo Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39410 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 2/26/2003 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? At 14:24 25.02.03, you wrote: >So that means no inflatable sheep at the next gig then ! > No... but we might have Iris Kulterer Barbies that sing in Spanish when you squeeze them... ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39384 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? braddito braddito Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39388 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Tue 2/25/2003 3 KB 39392 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Tony Lomax tmaxlo Tue 2/25/2003 2 KB 39410 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 2/26/2003 2 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton ' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 3:56 pm Subject: 'Mota Atma' speculations ...of course it could be that the whole thing is a wind-up along the lines of Pink Floyd's 'Publius' nonsense, and that Martin and Edgar are now having a right good laugh at everyone trying to unlock the secret... :-) Glynn 'Institutionalised cruelty is one thing. But the twisted brain-wrong of a one-off man-mental is quite another' --Chris Morris From: 'braddito ' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 4:29 pm Subject: Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? If it's full size, yes please ! --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > No... but we might have Iris Kulterer Barbies that sing in Spanish when you > squeeze them... > > ;-) > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 2:30 pm Subject: KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Sorry 2b off topic but sure there are TD fans out there that like Kraftwerk too - so......... 'A freind of a friend spoke to Hütter an Schneider at one of their concerts in Australia recently. Ralf says they have one new single ready and are working on a 'greatest Hits' DVD. Well, don't rush to the next HMV on monday to get that single just yet.' Interesting if it 'really' happens! Mat Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39387 Re: KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Pergamon pergamondk Tue 2/25/2003 3 KB 39399 Re: KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Mat Mckenzie loart24 Wed 2/26/2003 4 KB 39409 Re: KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Pergamon pergamondk Wed 2/26/2003 5 KB 39425 Re: KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Thu 2/27/2003 2 KB 39426 Re: KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Pergamon pergamondk Thu 2/27/2003 2 KB From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 2:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: thread softly synth Hi there Just thought I'd mention Triangle2 VST if you've not tried it, it's a fantastic FREE plugin for any VST host the fact it really is FREE is amazing!! huge analog squidgy sounds for 0 pence is great There are countless plugins out there but this one really is worth tracking down available from http://www.rgcaudio.com and no I don't work for them! Cheers Mat -----Original Message----- From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] Sent: 22 February 2003 18:44 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: thread softly synth Not sure exactly what you mean... e.g., there are quite a few (and some even good) freeware vsti softsynths out there. VSTi (or dxi) usually implying that you need a host. They all (plugins) allow for midi keyboard input via the host. For stand-alone, you usually have to get a shareware or commercial one. If you are not running a host or do not have a lot of other gear, one that I can recommend is the Vaz+ (not 2002). I say Vaz+ because it's only about $30 or $40 I believe and works nicely as both a stand-alone and a plugin. I would have said Vaz 2002, but I think the price is significantly more. The Vaz+ also has a nice sequencer in it that is fun to play with. I could go on and and on and on and on about this topic, so if you want to discuss further, feel free to contact me off-list. Also check out www.kvr-vst.com for more softsynth info and discussion. They have a nice listing of what's available, including links to the various makers as well as lots of user reviews. The people who hang out there run the gamut from people who are just starting out all the way to people like Eric Persing and Rob Papen. Cheers! w In a message dated 2/22/2003 12:14:00 PM Central Standard Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 15 > Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2003 14:38:17 -0000 > From: 'Paul Dryden' > Subject: alien Seagulls > > Perhaps if members who recreate sounds could post it to a new directory at > yahoo for us all to try?? > My Yamaha DJX is crying out for some samples!!!! > Paulus.d > Ps are there any software synths available Shareware or freeware that have > MIDI keyboard input to play them? > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Pergamon' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 5:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Hehe......yeah, whats up with this band. They have been talking about a new album for a millenium or so and nothing has been released. It seems that whenever they are just to release an album, they trash all their material and start all over. Don't they know there is a HUGE crowd of people just waiting for new material from them. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mat Mckenzie' To: Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: [tadream] KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Sorry 2b off topic but sure there are TD fans out there that like Kraftwerk too - so......... 'A freind of a friend spoke to Hütter an Schneider at one of their concerts in Australia recently. Ralf says they have one new single ready and are working on a 'greatest Hits' DVD. Well, don't rush to the next HMV on monday to get that single just yet.' Interesting if it 'really' happens! Mat ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Jonathan Holt Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 6:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Would her bum wiggle, y'know like the singing fish you can buy that sing old Queen songs?! Not that she's an old trout by any means :-) Thank-you thank-you I'll be here all week! Cheers! Sexistpigjonnboy --- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak > > > > No... but we might have Iris Kulterer Barbies that > sing in Spanish when you > squeeze them... > > ;-) > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Grant M Somerville' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Surely you would want to squeeze her bongos?..... I'll get me coat. Grant. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' To: Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:16 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? > At 14:24 25.02.03, you wrote: > >So that means no inflatable sheep at the next gig then ! > > > > No... but we might have Iris Kulterer Barbies that sing in Spanish when you > squeeze them... > > ;-) > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39393 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? mad4rock75 mad4rock75 Tue 2/25/2003 3 KB From: 'fozziebear' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 7:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Martin said No... but we might have Iris Kulterer Barbies that sing in Spanish when you squeeze them... > > ;-) Is that a subtle way of saying Inferno Part 2? David From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 7:49 pm Subject: ISO: Mike Oldfield >02 NOV 1982 - Cologne, France (2cds) That's gonna be haaaaard to find ;-) cheers, klaus From: 'Tony Lomax ' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 8:12 pm Subject: Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? > No... but we might have Iris Kulterer Barbies that sing in Spanish when you > squeeze them... Ah, so is that a clue or did the person getting 100 points win it? Being half Spanish I felt Mota was a Spanish word...it means Moat. So put Moat and Soul together and you get Soul Protection, whatever that is. But then I don't know why I'm mixing Spanish with Sanskrit. Anyway Mota is also Mexican for marijuana so I don't know where I go with that... Tony Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39410 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 2/26/2003 2 KB From: 'mad4rock75 ' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 8:20 pm Subject: Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? I get a picture of the next gig, half the 'crowd' is inflatable Iris's, then we go home and have to persuade our wives that this is the latest Tangerine Dream limited edition for our collection. I'm not posting any to people who can't get to the show ! Toby --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Grant M Somerville' wrote: > Surely you would want to squeeze her bongos?..... > > I'll get me coat. > > Grant. > > >So that means no inflatable sheep at the next gig then ! > > > > > > > No... but we might have Iris Kulterer Barbies that sing in Spanish when > you > > squeeze them... > > > > ;-) > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Martin Kasprzak > > TDI- Music- Support. > > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > > > Visit our Website at: > > > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:04 pm Subject: Re: gettin' a feeling was (mota atma) I'm kind of leaning in the video game soundtrack direction... << Subject: Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? > > the title 'Mota Atma' is NOT taken from any kind of SF-source. I´ll >leave > > the riddle for you to solve, though... ;-) > > >Riddle me this, Mr K. There's no SF link, but one of the tracks it titled >'Gate >of Saturn'? Sounds Science-Fictioney to me. > > >Maff 'Backwards atoms', Sanskrit words and a 'gate of saturn'? I'm getting a very occultistic feeling here.. not sci-fictional. John Vertical>>> From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 10:11 pm Subject: Re: OT RGC Thanks, Mat! Yes T2 is really nice. I used it to do one of the leads on DWTiii outtakes disk. I also like T1 a lot and I have Pentagon and Z3ta+. Good stuff. w << Subject: RE: Re: thread softly synth Hi there Just thought I'd mention Triangle2 VST if you've not tried it, it's a fantastic FREE plugin for any VST host the fact it really is FREE is amazing!! huge analog squidgy sounds for 0 pence is great There are countless plugins out there but this one really is worth tracking down available from http://www.rgcaudio.com and no I don't work for them! Cheers Mat>>> From: 'Grant M Somerville' Date: Tue Feb 25, 2003 7:45 pm Subject: TT3 and Astoria Hello Everybody, Firstly, a huge thanks to Heiko and the backroom boys for another stunning selection of TT disks. For people like me that have only heard 8th generation tapes or not heard them at all, it's a revelation. My first gig was 1980 and hearing something of this quality from 1980 was amazing. Also thanks to Chris for the fast turnaround of blanks into music. (3 days...top bloke!). It's a while since London now but here's my 2p worth. Firstly, hello to Steve, John, Brian, Conrad, Simon and Ray. After some liquid refreshment in the pub we wandered over to the Astoria queue. No problems with getting the camera in. Joined the queue for goodies downstairs and got the Limited CD and Melrose Years. The sound from the new and improved Astoria PA was very, very good and a vast improvement on the SBE. Ribs and internal organs were vibrating...nice! As for the set, I got what I expected with some tasters of DM4 and Mota Atma. Basically, I really enjoyed the whole thing. I'm sure the lager helped things along, it sure helped to lighten my wallet : ) I did expect to see more people round at the stage door after the gig (hello Serge) although it was bloomin' cold by then. But, the wait was rewarded and eventually Edgar and Iris appeared and I got my Melrose signed. Pity I didn't have that big silver marker earlier Ray!! 37 and still standing at stage doors...how sad is that? Serge, your video was amazing!! I paid my money and had a great time. Anyway, I'm in ramble mode now so I'll shut up. Best Wishes, Grant S. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 4:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 15:37:52 +0200 'John Vertical' writes: > 'Backwards atoms', Sanskrit words and a 'gate of saturn'? > I'm getting a very occultistic feeling here.. not sci-fictional. Oooooooooooo. ;) > John Vertical Stephe Feldman, androgyne http://molasar.tripod.com/titmouse.html Stephie-mouse http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TransRomance listowner http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster http://groups.yahoo.com/group/kaikais kaikai trannychasers listowner From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 7:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? In a message dated 2/25/2003 8:10:45 PM Pacific Standard Time, scfeldman@j... writes: > >I'm getting a very occultistic feeling here.. not sci-fictional. > > Oooooooooooo. ;) > > >John Vertical *Tangerine Dreamers wouldy likeistic toing apologizational for the occultistic ratheresque than sci-fictional feelingsish. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39400 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Wed 2/26/2003 2 KB From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 9:48 am Subject: RE: [tadream] KRAFTWERK GOSSIP I agree Jan - if I had a pound for the number of false starts on new kraftwerk stuff i'd have about £10 :-) I actually saw 'real' in the flesh withdrawn covers for Technopop that a guy who was a KW fan (& happened to own a record shop) had & from memory it was a bit like the Tour De France cover. They were also releasing a best of on video years ago and that never materialised either! they take perfectionism to new limits......... -----Original Message----- From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...] Sent: 25 February 2003 17:56 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Hehe......yeah, whats up with this band. They have been talking about a new album for a millenium or so and nothing has been released. It seems that whenever they are just to release an album, they trash all their material and start all over. Don't they know there is a HUGE crowd of people just waiting for new material from them. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mat Mckenzie' To: Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: [tadream] KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Sorry 2b off topic but sure there are TD fans out there that like Kraftwerk too - so......... 'A freind of a friend spoke to Htter an Schneider at one of their concerts in Australia recently. Ralf says they have one new single ready and are working on a 'greatest Hits' DVD. Well, don't rush to the next HMV on monday to get that single just yet.' Interesting if it 'really' happens! Mat ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 10:19 am Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? > > >*Tangerine Dreamers wouldy likeistic toing apologizational for the >occultistic >ratheresque than sci-fictional feelingsish. >Poly AAAAAAGH! It´s da conspiracee! Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Wakefield' Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 12:41 pm Subject: TT1 & TT2 Artwork Is the artwork available some where to download? Thanks Dave W [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39403 Re: TT1 & TT2 Artwork Heiko Heerssen td_freak Wed 2/26/2003 2 KB From: 'Yannick EDOM' Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 12:38 pm Subject: Where is the famous missing track from Optical Race ? Hi everyone In the TD website they told that the real 'Ruling the Waves' track (the missing one) will be soon for download. But it has been a long time they said this. When will the track will be really available ? Any information ? Best wishes Yannick Edom Mirage Créations Champlain B7 A 101 47 Chemin de Pelleport 31500 TOULOUSE FRANCE e-mail : yannick.edom@s... From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 1:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT1 & TT2 Artwork > Is the artwork available some where to download? Volume 1: http://croydon-cad.com/maff/tdtree/ Volume 2: http://mst3uk.com/tdtree/vol2/index.htm regards Heiko From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 12:43 pm Subject: Mota Atma...of course! ...and the cover art distributed on the postcard looked like a stylised atom all along! So, when is it coming out then? Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39408 Re: Mota Atma...of course! TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Wed 2/26/2003 2 KB 39469 Re: Mota Atma...of course! René Brenner fairway_ch Sat 3/1/2003 2 KB 39413 Re: Mota Atma...of course! ravnnet ravnnet Wed 2/26/2003 2 KB From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 1:38 pm Subject: List trouble Is it just me, or is there a problem with the list at the moment? I had a message from Yahoo out of the blue yesterday telling me that my address kept bouncing e-mails and that I should reset my account. The trouble is, I don't have a Yahoo account, and it wouldn't let me reset my account without one. Even worse, I couldn't even register because after guiding me through all those intrusive questions I kept being told by Yahoo that there was a server problem and I should try again in 10 minutes. This has persisted until today. Today I then got a message that my address was no longer bouncing mails (I don't think it ever was, since other messages arrived fine) and that I should reply to the message to reactivate my account (I'd never been told it had been deactivated). After doing so, I can now send e- mails to the list and they do appear on the Yahoo web page. But I still don't seem to be receiving e-mails from tadream. What's going on, and how can I fix it? Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39406 Re: List trouble Heiko Heerssen td_freak Wed 2/26/2003 3 KB 39412 Re: List trouble Administrator dale1kay Wed 2/26/2003 3 KB 39414 Re: List trouble John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 2/26/2003 3 KB 39418 Re: List trouble Robert Asmus plastics67 Wed 2/26/2003 3 KB 39423 Re: List trouble Marc Dodsworth Sissyphus98 Thu 2/27/2003 4 KB 39424 Email Change coldwatercanyon@s... tangram80 Thu 2/27/2003 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] List trouble > Is it just me, or is there a problem with the list at the moment? I had a > message from Yahoo out of the blue yesterday telling me that my > address kept bouncing e-mails and that I should reset my account. I am experiencing this once or twice a week. Just yesterday I had to reactivate my account again. This has almost become a habit for me :-( Billy Bounce From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 3:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? In a message dated 2/26/2003 4:30:41 AM Pacific Standard Time, martin@t... writes: > >*Tangerine Dreamers wouldy likeistic toing apologizational for the > >occultistic > >ratheresque than sci-fictional feelingsish. > >Poly > > AAAAAAGH! It´s da conspiracee! > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > *Heh. I suppose I should explain for the non-English-as-a-primary-language members that I was making a joke about the use of terms like 'occultistic' and 'sci-fictional' which is... let's just say an odd use of suffix in English. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mota Atma...of course! At 12:43 26.02.03, you wrote: >...and the cover art distributed on the postcard looked like a stylised >atom all along! > >So, when is it coming out then? > >Dennis > Dear all, approx. 1 month from now. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39469 Re: Mota Atma...of course! René Brenner fairway_ch Sat 3/1/2003 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] KRAFTWERK GOSSIP LOL.......maybe perfection is too small a word. If we are lucky a new single will be released in 30+ years.....=O) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mat Mckenzie' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 10:48 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] KRAFTWERK GOSSIP I agree Jan - if I had a pound for the number of false starts on new kraftwerk stuff i'd have about £10 :-) I actually saw 'real' in the flesh withdrawn covers for Technopop that a guy who was a KW fan (& happened to own a record shop) had & from memory it was a bit like the Tour De France cover. They were also releasing a best of on video years ago and that never materialised either! they take perfectionism to new limits......... -----Original Message----- From: Pergamon [mailto:pergamon@g...] Sent: 25 February 2003 17:56 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Hehe......yeah, whats up with this band. They have been talking about a new album for a millenium or so and nothing has been released. It seems that whenever they are just to release an album, they trash all their material and start all over. Don't they know there is a HUGE crowd of people just waiting for new material from them. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mat Mckenzie' To: Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 3:30 PM Subject: [tadream] KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Sorry 2b off topic but sure there are TD fans out there that like Kraftwerk too - so......... 'A freind of a friend spoke to Htter an Schneider at one of their concerts in Australia recently. Ralf says they have one new single ready and are working on a 'greatest Hits' DVD. Well, don't rush to the next HMV on monday to get that single just yet.' Interesting if it 'really' happens! Mat ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39425 Re: KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Thu 2/27/2003 2 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 4:53 pm Subject: Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? No. You're all wrong. This is in fact a misprint and the title should have read 'Moth Asthma' - an album about the little known suffering of insects that live in Edgar's Mellotron. Later, there will be some corrected artwork available for download on the website. ;-) --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Tony Lomax ' > > Ah, so is that a clue or did the person getting 100 points win it? > Being half Spanish I felt Mota was a Spanish word...it means Moat. > So put Moat and Soul together and you get Soul Protection, whatever > that is. But then I don't know why I'm mixing Spanish with > Sanskrit. Anyway Mota is also Mexican for marijuana so I don't know > where I go with that... > > Tony From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 5:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? ----- Original Message ----- From: > This is in fact a misprint and the title should have read 'Moth > Asthma' - an album about the little known suffering of insects that > live in Edgar's Mellotron. LOOOOOOOOOOOL............................ From: 'Administrator' Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] List trouble A habit I wish would stop. Same here. This is a normal Yahoo problem for some of us. Works in cycles. For a few weeks it will bother you, then it will be gone for a month or so. Only to return again. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 6:07 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] List trouble > > > > Is it just me, or is there a problem with the list at the moment? I had a > > message from Yahoo out of the blue yesterday telling me that my > > address kept bouncing e-mails and that I should reset my account. > > I am experiencing this once or twice a week. Just yesterday I had to > reactivate my account again. This has almost become a habit for me :-( > > Billy Bounce From: 'ravnnet ' Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 2:25 pm Subject: Re: Mota Atma...of course! --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Nigbur wrote: > ...and the cover art distributed on the postcard looked like a stylised > atom all along! > > So, when is it coming out then? > > Dennis I mailed to Voiceprint and they said: April 29, 2003 Peter From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] List trouble >A habit I wish would stop. Same here. This is a normal Yahoo problem for >some of us. Works in cycles. For a few weeks it will bother you, then it >will be gone for a month or so. Only to return again. > >dale > > > > Is it just me, or is there a problem with the list at the moment? I >had >a > > > message from Yahoo out of the blue yesterday telling me that my > > > address kept bouncing e-mails and that I should reset my account. > > > > I am experiencing this once or twice a week. Just yesterday I had to > > reactivate my account again. This has almost become a habit for me :-( > > > > Billy Bounce I hope you don't get jealous, but - I've never had any problems with my Yahoo account... :-) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39418 Re: List trouble Robert Asmus plastics67 Wed 2/26/2003 3 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:41 pm Subject: Re: Fwd: The Switch The sad part is that is was scheduled to be released as a CD (or at least thats what was reported in Beyond the Horizon. I wonder what ever happened that is wasn't issued. I recall switching on the TV just before is started because it sounded like a depressing topic. The next day after the roiginal boradcast at work a co-worker told me it had a TD soundtrack. I just found out I haven;t been getting messages since Sunday because my account was in bounce mode too! nice to be back! Jim said: >Well, I'll ramble a bit more -- for me one of the delights was the music >from The Switch. I've never seen the movie (or been able to find it >anywhere), but the music was unique from almost all other TD music in that >it was almost completely piano work. Kind of like Rumplestiltskin, but less >atmospheric. --- End forwarded message --- Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'fozziebear' Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:44 pm Subject: List Trouble I had the bouncing email thing, for the first time, last week. Got is sorted out by changing identity and activating account. David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ruling the Waves >In the TD website they told that the real 'Ruling the Waves' track (the >missing one) will be soon for download. > >But it has been a long time they said this. > >When will the track will be really available ? > >Any information ? It's already there. Just open Outland from the jukebox, and wait. It will only repeat 78 times and then switch over to Ruling the Waves. (Also Rubycon pt 1 yields an unheard '75 concert after 922 repeats, while Cloudburst Flight speeds up by 0,05 % per listening time...) ;-) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] List trouble Well I hate to rub salt in the wound but I have never had a problem With getting bounced. Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 1:35 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] List trouble >A habit I wish would stop. Same here. This is a normal Yahoo problem for >some of us. Works in cycles. For a few weeks it will bother you, then it >will be gone for a month or so. Only to return again. > >dale > > > > Is it just me, or is there a problem with the list at the moment? I >had >a > > > message from Yahoo out of the blue yesterday telling me that my > > > address kept bouncing e-mails and that I should reset my account. > > > > I am experiencing this once or twice a week. Just yesterday I had to > > reactivate my account again. This has almost become a habit for me :-( > > > > Billy Bounce I hope you don't get jealous, but - I've never had any problems with my Yahoo account... :-) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:23 pm Subject: Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze Hello All, I have just received, in a trade, a copy of a boot? entitled 'Kraftwerk Concert Classics'. Any idea what this is, and if I can get the artwork for it?? I also have a copy of something called 'Kraftwerk Computersinfonien' and a Klaus Schulze CD I cannot identify at all. Anyone willing to help with artwork and/or identification??? Thanks In God's Love Neal 'You can't take it with you - but you CAN send it on ahead - Give.' Pastor Tom Mullins [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39420 Re: Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze Antonio Nunes ajogon Wed 2/26/2003 2 KB 39421 Re: Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze Jorge Figueiredo jorgefig66 Thu 2/27/2003 2 KB 39430 Re: Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze Jorge Figueiredo jorgefig66 Thu 2/27/2003 3 KB 39505 Re: Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze Shez Wed 3/5/2003 3 KB 39519 Re: Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB 39434 Re: Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze Mat Mckenzie loart24 Thu 2/27/2003 5 KB 39437 Re: Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze Pergamon pergamondk Thu 2/27/2003 5 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Feb 26, 2003 11:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze strat95@b... wrote: > > I have just received, in a trade, a copy of a boot? entitled 'Kraftwerk Concert Classics'. Any idea what this is, and if I can get the artwork for it?? Point your browser to http://www.groove.nl/cd/1/19760.html and read the review. Apparently it's not a bootleg, but it has no official clearance from Kraftwerk. Confused? So am I :-) Antonio Nunes np: TT3 Vol.20 From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze On 2/26/2003 11:23 PM, strat95@b... wrote: > I also have a copy of something called 'Kraftwerk Computersinfonien' and a Klaus Schulze CD I cannot identify at all. Kraftwerk Computersinfonien - live in Karlsruhe 18.10.1997. Includes remixes as bonustracks Check http://www4.big.or.jp/~blanks/kraft/boots/frame/boot.html or http://home.t-online.de/home/520078056126-0001/discog.htm artwork: http://home.t-online.de/home/520078056126-0002/2bocdcsn.jpg Jorge Figueiredo ((> TD - TT3 vol 25 <)) From: PENFOLD Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 1:07 am Subject: getting a copy of TT2 & TT3 I've emailed my branch(s) several times about making arrangements to send him some blank CD-Rs and have not so much as gotten a reply. Could the Tree Gurus please assign me another branch or someone in the tree help me out here? BTW: My status has changed, for several months now I have a CD burner in my computer, and can graduate from being a Lowly Leaf to a Branch with the capability to serve up to 5 Leaves Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: 'Marc Dodsworth' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] List trouble Hi I've had this problem too. I've been using a program called Mailwasher to try and get rid of some of the spam. One option it has it bounce messages as if your mail address isn't valid and as some members of this list seem to have been added to spamming blacklists I thought maybe I'd bounce some list messages but I've been very careful in making sure I don't and I've still be been getting suspended. Does anyone know if messages being bounced what or what ever from other yahoo mail accounts (i.e if some-one is spamming from a yahoo mail account) whether bouncing that would be causing the suspension. Marc ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Administrator' To: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 3:54 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] List trouble > A habit I wish would stop. Same here. This is a normal Yahoo problem for > some of us. Works in cycles. For a few weeks it will bother you, then it > will be gone for a month or so. Only to return again. > > dale > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > To: > Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2003 6:07 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] List trouble > > > > > > > > > Is it just me, or is there a problem with the list at the moment? I had > a > > > message from Yahoo out of the blue yesterday telling me that my > > > address kept bouncing e-mails and that I should reset my account. > > > > I am experiencing this once or twice a week. Just yesterday I had to > > reactivate my account again. This has almost become a habit for me :-( > > > > Billy Bounce > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39424 Email Change coldwatercanyon@s... tangram80 Thu 2/27/2003 2 KB From: coldwatercanyon@s... Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:03 am Subject: Email Change Hi all My email account coldwatercanyon@s... will come to an end by March 06. Please send any mail to my other hotmail account coldwatercanyon@h... . Please update your records accordingly. Thanks Jeffrey Au Yeung --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ -------------------- This email service is provided by So-net HK. Apply Now to be our members. From: Eric Williamson Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:52 am Subject: Re: [tadream] KRAFTWERK GOSSIP On Wednesday, February 26, 2003, at 10:04 AM, Pergamon wrote: > Hehe......yeah, whats up with this band. They have been talking about > a new > album for a millenium or so and nothing has been released. It seems > that methinks that rolf and florian should take a hint from klaus: people want it wether it's 'done' or not, so give it to them. 50 CDs of it if you have to. and what exactly does 'done' mean anyway? i swear to god the two coolest peeps for release policy are Robert Fripp and Klaus Schulze. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:04 am Subject: Re: [tadream] KRAFTWERK GOSSIP I guess a lot of bands could learn a thing or two from these guys. Tangerine Dream, are you listening????????.................=O) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Eric Williamson' > methinks that rolf and florian should take a hint from klaus: people > want it wether it's 'done' or not, so give it to them. 50 CDs of it if > you have to. and what exactly does 'done' mean anyway? > i swear to god the two coolest peeps for release policy are Robert > Fripp and Klaus Schulze. > Eric Williamson From: Marion Horrod Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:35 am Subject: Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Well I reckon it's a tribute to 'Atom Heart Mother'. With a slight nod to the possibility of impending war. (Anybody read Heinlein's 'The day after tomorrow'?) LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39435 Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Dennis Nigbur Thu 2/27/2003 3 KB From: Bradley Duke/Cambridge/IBM Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:53 pm Subject: Web site Update Why are we getting all of our information regarding forthcoming TD releases outside of the website? What's going on? I want to hear this from the 'horses mouth' - long before the other barnyard animals open their mouths.... Is it just me? B From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:19 pm Subject: Green Desert / Le Parc review This month's Q magazine reviews the re-releases: <> They give GD three stars and LP two. From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze I read the other day a curious information regarding the connection between Kraftwerk and Schulze: In 2000, the german producer Integral Films realized a TV movie called 'Klassentreffen - Mordfall unter Freunden (Class Reunion - Murder Affair Among Friends)', and this film counts with the appearance of a band (The Wondering Stars - Sputnik Roadhouse) playing the song 'Those Were the Days' during about 3 minutes. This band was composed by the following members: Klaus Schulze (organ), F. J. Krueger (guitar), Marian Gold (vocals), Toni Nissl (drums) and a certain 'Fred Schnitzel' playing bass. 'Fred' is also known by the name of 'Florian Schneider' when he plays in another group called Kraftwerk. The film is directed by Diethard Kuester, screenplay by Jochen Brunow, and the main cast is: Natalia Woerner, Leslie Malton, Christoph M. Ohrt and Esther Schweins. (Informations by courtesy of Jan Reetze - Hamburg - Germany) More info and video in http://kraftwerk.technopop.com.br/curios.php Jorge Figueiredo ((> TD - TT3 vol 23 Berlin 1973 <)) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39505 Re: Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze Shez Wed 3/5/2003 3 KB 39519 Re: Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 2:15 pm Subject: Schulze CW II I know this isn't a Schulze list, but he seems to have come up a lot this week. I never ordered Contemporary Works II, and haven;t seen any reviews of it. Has anyone done a review, or have a website that discusses it? Regards, Michael A. Jean The Brookings Institution 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. Washington, DC 20036-2188 TEL: (202)-797-6214 FAX: (202)-797-2479 EMAIL: mjean@b... http://www.brookings.edu [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39432 Re: Schulze CW II Armin Theissen armin_theissen Thu 2/27/2003 3 KB 39441 Re: Schulze CW II hghlndr@t... whtwlf2501 Thu 2/27/2003 2 KB 39451 Re: Schulze CW II John Marchington johnmarch1938 Fri 2/28/2003 4 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 3:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schulze CW II Hi, no, don't know of any, but since I have CWII and really love it, maybe I should post one? If I find some time. Now, does anybody have CWI ? I missed that one (damn shame) armin Michael Jean wrote: > I know this isn't a Schulze list, but he seems to have come up a lot > this week. > > I never ordered Contemporary Works II, and haven;t seen any reviews of > it. Has anyone done a review, or have a website that discusses it? > > Regards, > > > Michael A. Jean > The Brookings Institution > 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. > Washington, DC 20036-2188 > > TEL: (202)-797-6214 > FAX: (202)-797-2479 > EMAIL: mjean@b... > http://www.brookings.edu > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'creative_operator ' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 5:54 pm Subject: Astoria Photos / Video Clips Dear Owner / Moderator New to the Group and would therefore like advice regarding the posting of photos / video clips(no sound) to the Group Photos / Files area, for fans to share. Unfortunately I do not have my own web site to host these documents. Thanks for your time. Derek ('Creative_Operator') From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 4:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze A fantastic weblink for KW thanks Jorge, Great news....... ' 25/02/2003 New Kraftwerk album is 99% completed At recently interview (24/01/2003) to 'Triple J', radio station from Sydney, the reporter Richard Kingsmill asked to Ralf Hutter about the Kraftwerk new album, and how much it is completed. Ralf said that they are working on different tracks, and the new album is 99% completed. He talked too about the new stage setup, and how they feel more moveable compared to past tours.' Mat -----Original Message----- From: Jorge Figueiredo [mailto:jorgefig@e...] Sent: 27 February 2003 14:24 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze I read the other day a curious information regarding the connection between Kraftwerk and Schulze: In 2000, the german producer Integral Films realized a TV movie called 'Klassentreffen - Mordfall unter Freunden (Class Reunion - Murder Affair Among Friends)', and this film counts with the appearance of a band (The Wondering Stars - Sputnik Roadhouse) playing the song 'Those Were the Days' during about 3 minutes. This band was composed by the following members: Klaus Schulze (organ), F. J. Krueger (guitar), Marian Gold (vocals), Toni Nissl (drums) and a certain 'Fred Schnitzel' playing bass. 'Fred' is also known by the name of 'Florian Schneider' when he plays in another group called Kraftwerk. The film is directed by Diethard Kuester, screenplay by Jochen Brunow, and the main cast is: Natalia Woerner, Leslie Malton, Christoph M. Ohrt and Esther Schweins. (Informations by courtesy of Jan Reetze - Hamburg - Germany) More info and video in http://kraftwerk.technopop.com.br/curios.php Jorge Figueiredo ((> TD - TT3 vol 23 Berlin 1973 <)) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 12:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: 'Mota Atma' Inspiration Source? Marion, I think you're dead on! It would seem very much in line with TD's traditional pacifist agenda (good to see some political relevance injected into the group again, if for a sorry geopolitical reason) and their love for cryptic album titles. I haven't read it, but I certainly must now... Dennis On 27 Feb 2003 at 10:35, Marion Horrod wrote: > Well I reckon it's a tribute to 'Atom Heart Mother'. With a slight nod > to the possibility of impending war. > > (Anybody read Heinlein's 'The day after tomorrow'?) > > LnH > > Marion > > 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it > needs to be ...' S. Blakemore From: 'Alistair Hull ' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 6:51 pm Subject: My TD Astoria Photos now online.... Hi All, Finally got around to putting up my photos on the web from the Astoria Gig. I warn you they are unedited so all the blurred and out of focus pics are in there too, but I'm not unhappy overall.. They're at http://alistairs.com/html/astoria.html Enjoy. Cheers, Alistair Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39438 Re: My TD Astoria Photos now online.... Owens, James yxalag2 Thu 2/27/2003 2 KB 39445 My TD Astoria Photos now online.... Marion Horrod MarionHorrod Thu 2/27/2003 2 KB 39449 Re: My TD Astoria Photos now online.... Alistair Hull alistairhull Thu 2/27/2003 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze Are they going to trash this one again and start all over.........=O)...........If it is true, then it is very great news........... Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Mat Mckenzie' To: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:20 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze > A fantastic weblink for KW thanks Jorge, > > Great news....... > > ' > 25/02/2003 > > New Kraftwerk album is 99% completed > At recently interview (24/01/2003) to 'Triple J', > radio station from Sydney, the reporter Richard Kingsmill > asked to Ralf Hutter about the Kraftwerk new album, and > how much it is completed. Ralf said that they are working > on different tracks, and the new album is 99% completed. > He talked too about the new stage setup, and how they feel > more moveable compared to past tours.' > > > Mat > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jorge Figueiredo [mailto:jorgefig@e...] > Sent: 27 February 2003 14:24 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze > > > I read the other day a curious information regarding the connection > between Kraftwerk and Schulze: > > In 2000, the german producer Integral Films realized a TV movie called > 'Klassentreffen - Mordfall unter Freunden (Class Reunion - Murder Affair > Among Friends)', and this film counts with the appearance of a band (The > Wondering Stars - Sputnik Roadhouse) playing the song 'Those Were the > Days' during about 3 minutes. This band was composed by the following > members: Klaus Schulze (organ), F. J. Krueger (guitar), Marian Gold > (vocals), Toni Nissl (drums) and a certain 'Fred Schnitzel' playing > bass. 'Fred' is also known by the name of 'Florian Schneider' when he > plays in another group called Kraftwerk. The film is directed by > Diethard Kuester, screenplay by Jochen Brunow, and the main cast is: > Natalia Woerner, Leslie Malton, Christoph M. Ohrt and Esther Schweins. > > (Informations by courtesy of Jan Reetze - Hamburg - Germany) > > More info and video in http://kraftwerk.technopop.com.br/curios.php > > > Jorge Figueiredo > > ((> TD - TT3 vol 23 Berlin 1973 <)) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 7:37 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] My TD Astoria Photos now online.... I really appreciate all the nice pics you guys have posted. Almost makes me feel like I was there. BTW: Is that last pic the Tardis parking lot at the Astoria? From: 'Michael Jean' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 7:58 pm Subject: Deadline approaching http://musiccdsettlement.com/english/default.htm [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39440 Re: Deadline approaching fozziebear fozziebeard Thu 2/27/2003 3 KB From: 'fozziebear' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 8:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Deadline approaching Could they make the print any smaller on that site? Gotta get out the microscope. David ----- Original Message ----- From: Michael Jean To: Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 7:58 PM Subject: [tadream] Deadline approaching > http://musiccdsettlement.com/english/default.htm > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: hghlndr@t... Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 7:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Schulze CW II Hi Armin, I have CWI and I enjoy most of it. I am not wild about the stuff he did with some group(I forget their name). But all of the rest of it is really good. You can contact me offlist if you have any other questions(trades or see if I can find an original). THE HIGHLANDER aka Robert hghlndr@t... > > Hi, > > no, don't know of any, but since I have CWII and really > love it, maybe I should post one? If I find some time. > > Now, does anybody have CWI ? I missed that one (damn shame) > > armin > > From: 'dreamsector ' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:16 pm Subject: OT Soft Recommendation The other week during our semi-annual alien seagull discussion I mentioned a (what I thought) is a decent pro-quality softsynth: VAZ+. I think this is a good choice especially for someone who is starting out because a) it sounds good b) stand-alone c) very cool sequencer d) also arpeggiator and efx e) also works as vsti and dxi f) fairly inexpensive - about $55 US download It seemed that the vaz+ was no longer available, but I just got notification that it is now up to version 2. The new version adds additional filter types, etc. Here is the link in case someone is interested: http://www.software- technology.com/ Cheers! signed The Synth Hog From: ampmusic Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:31 pm Subject: re; Schulze > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2003 09:15:07 -0500 > From: 'Michael Jean' > Subject: Schulze CW II > > I know this isn't a Schulze list, but he seems to have come up a lot > this week. > > I never ordered Contemporary Works II, and haven;t seen any reviews of > > it. Has anyone done a review, or have a website that discusses it? > > Regards, > > > Michael A. Jean As ever, the answers you seek to all album review questions can be found on the EMIX reviews page at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/emixcds.html There's a review of Klaus Schulze's 'Contemporary Works 2' near the top of the page :-) [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Falcon Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Sequenced Noise At 08:43 PM 2/23/2003, you wrote: >Just watched the demo on 3dMark 03 the PC graphics benchmarking software >from Future Mark. > >At the end during the credits there is some kickass synth music by a >group who call themselves 'Sequenced Noise'. > > >I was wondering if there is anyone on the list who knows anything about >them and if they have done anything else. Hey, please let us know, what system do you have and what was your score ? ;-) Ramon From: Marion Horrod Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:10 pm Subject: My TD Astoria Photos now online.... Hey Alistair, nice piccies. Did Iris _really_ spend the whole evening with her back to you, or was that just the angle you thought she looked best from? LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39449 Re: My TD Astoria Photos now online.... Alistair Hull alistairhull Thu 2/27/2003 2 KB From: 'Tony Lomax ' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:47 pm Subject: Heartbreakers on TV FYI: For English viewers 'Heartbreakers' (1984) is being shown on Channel 5 Saturday 1st March 12:50am. (A good run of TD films so far this year what with The Keep, Risky Business and Shy People being aired) Tony Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39447 Re: Heartbreakers on TV Robert Asmus plastics67 Thu 2/27/2003 3 KB 39448 Re: Heartbreakers on TV Tony Lomax tmaxlo Thu 2/27/2003 3 KB 39475 Re: Heartbreakers on TV Armin Theissen armin_theissen Mon 3/3/2003 3 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Heartbreakers on TV But what channel 5 is it? I mean where in the world is it playing? Robert -----Original Message----- From: Tony Lomax [mailto:max.lo@n...] Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:48 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Heartbreakers on TV FYI: For English viewers 'Heartbreakers' (1984) is being shown on Channel 5 Saturday 1st March 12:50am. (A good run of TD films so far this year what with The Keep, Risky Business and Shy People being aired) Tony ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39448 Re: Heartbreakers on TV Tony Lomax tmaxlo Thu 2/27/2003 3 KB From: 'Tony Lomax ' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 10:59 pm Subject: Re: Heartbreakers on TV Oh, It's only in the UK. It's one of our 5 terrestrial channels and it's called 'Channel 5'. Maybe through satelite you can get it in Europe, but I'm not too sure about that? --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Robert Asmus' wrote: > But what channel 5 is it? I mean where in the world is it playing? > > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Lomax [mailto:max.lo@n...] > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2003 5:48 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Heartbreakers on TV > > FYI: > > For English viewers 'Heartbreakers' (1984) is being shown on Channel > 5 Saturday 1st March 12:50am. (A good run of TD films so far this > year what with The Keep, Risky Business and Shy People being aired) > > Tony > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Alistair Hull ' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 11:15 pm Subject: Re: My TD Astoria Photos now online.... Marion Said 'Did Iris _really_ spend the whole evening with her back to you, or was that just the angle you thought she looked best from?' Both actually, she spent an inordinate amount of time facing away from the audience, and since the front view wasn't available I just had to make do with what I could get...LOL From: 'Colin Jouxson ' Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 12:04 am Subject: Green Desert Edgars Voluptous Guitar,im damp in them exited Regions' UNTOUCHABLE. From: 'John Marchington' Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 3:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Schulze CW II You can get CWI from Archie Patterson at Eurock. I got both my CWI and CWII sets from him. His e-mail address is apatters@e... BTW the ten discs in the set plus booklet come in a lovely wooden box. with brass hinges and catch. Very stylish presentation. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Friday, February 28, 2003 4:20 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Schulze CW II > > Hi, > > no, don't know of any, but since I have CWII and really > love it, maybe I should post one? If I find some time. > > Now, does anybody have CWI ? I missed that one (damn shame) > > armin > > > Michael Jean wrote: > > > I know this isn't a Schulze list, but he seems to have come up a lot > > this week. > > > > I never ordered Contemporary Works II, and haven;t seen any reviews of > > it. Has anyone done a review, or have a website that discusses it? > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Michael A. Jean > > The Brookings Institution > > 1775 Massachusetts Avenue, N.W. > > Washington, DC 20036-2188 > > > > TEL: (202)-797-6214 > > FAX: (202)-797-2479 > > EMAIL: mjean@b... > > http://www.brookings.edu > > > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > -- > > ----------------------------------------------------------------- > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 > SUN Microsystems Ireland > > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' > - Woody Allen > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'creative_operator ' Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 12:11 am Subject: Photos (Inferno) & (SBE) Please checkout the following site : http://inet-tv.net/inet/tadream/ From: 'stevewoollam ' Date: Thu Feb 27, 2003 9:56 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree Hi everybody, I have just signed up to the group and would like to hear from someone in England who can help me start collecting the Tangerine Tree CDR's. I live in Wolverhampton in the West Midlands, and have been a fan of Tangerine Dream for 30 years. Hoping to hear from someone soon. I do have a CD Burner. Best Regards, Steve woollam. From: tadreaming@c... Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 7:39 am Subject: 5 CD's Of Conrad Schnitzler on eBay Hello, Saw on eBay the 5 CD's on Art Gallery records the Cassette Concerts. The CD's are still sealed and are going for a Buy It Now price of $100, they are out of print. I have these and really like them, someone may be intrested here for these. Martyn [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'colin anderson' Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:38 am Subject: Re: Kraftwerk concert in Australia Errrr....what concert in Australia? Message: 18 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:30:45 -0000 From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Subject: KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Sorry 2b off topic but sure there are TD fans out there that like Kraftwerk too - so......... 'A freind of a friend spoke to Hütter an Schneider at one of their concerts in Australia recently. Ralf says they have one new single ready and are working on a 'greatest Hits' DVD. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39459 Re: Kraftwerk concert in Australia quarlie@a... Quarlie Fri 2/28/2003 2 KB 39506 Re: Kraftwerk concert in Australia Mat Mckenzie loart24 Wed 3/5/2003 4 KB From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1709 Hi, Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2003 18:23:35 -0500 > From: > Subject: Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze > > Hello All, > > I have just received, in a trade, a copy of a boot? entitled 'Kraftwerk > Concert Classics'. It was a bootleg once, released thru an italian company in their 'super golden radioshows' series during the early 90's. later it was made more or less 'official' but not by release thru their own record company emi but by a one-off deal with some unknown us-label so that's the one you are holding now. Any idea what this is, and if I can get the artwork for > it?? > > I also have a copy of something called 'Kraftwerk Computersinfonien' Rare show from '97 i believe or was it '98 ?, (they did only 4 or 5 shows that year) recorded at ZKM in Karlsruhe/Germany. ZKM = Zentrum Kultur Musik was opened in one of those years mentioned above and Kraftwerk was asked to do a show 'in celebration of'.... and a > Klaus Schulze CD I cannot identify at all. than it also quite diffy to give you any answer at all > > Anyone willing to help with artwork and/or identification??? > > Thanks I have both Kraftwerk cd versions, and i also have the recording from ZKM only mine has different title because i've got a version from a different source and bootlabel. From: 'dreamsector ' Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 12:37 pm Subject: dissecting the alien seagull Well, I'm a happy camper as concerns the quest for this alien seagull sound. :-) I decided to try Vaz2010 this time. Just got the 1.11 update with the new filter algorithms and the a.s. seemed like it would be a fun way of putting it through its paces. Doing the old listen, analyze, and tweak... the specific occurrence I was aiming for was the one that 'calls out' twice at about minute 3 of Monolight. That is the first place I ever heard it and it has always been the holy grail of alien seagulls for me. Thanks to Eric and others for sharing their thoughts on the matter. Eric's recipe seems to have been the best starting point. On the 2010 what seemed to do the trick was a combination of both highpass and lowpass filters with a little touch of ring mod; also tuning the resonance and cutoffs and sustain 'just' right. The oscillators were not tuned a fifth apart, but rather an octave and a third. The other important thing is finding just the right note. It seems that the sound on Monolight is articulated by striking the main note and then striking the same note three octaves down lightly and quickly with portamento on. I've got a test mp3 as well as the vaz patch file that I can put in the Files section if anyone is interested or cares to compare notes. Whether I'm close or not (though I think I am) this made me realize... why on earth would E.F. need to purchase a sampling cd for this sound? From Sonic Images with whom he is (apparently) not on speaking terms no less. I'm sure he can probably do this sorta thing in his sleep!!! So... this was a fun and educational experiment! :-) w Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39458 Re: dissecting the alien seagull Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Fri 2/28/2003 2 KB From: Olav Neander Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 1:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] dissecting the alien seagull dreamsector schrieb: >Well, I'm a happy camper as concerns the quest for this alien seagull >sound. :-) > >I decided to try Vaz2010 this time. Just got the 1.11 update with the >new filter algorithms and the a.s. seemed like it would be a fun way >of putting it through its paces. > Sounds great... yes, I'm very interested in your VAZ patch - I also made some tries on my VAZ 2010, so it might be interesting to compare. Dis you use some delay effects? Olav Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 4:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Kraftwerk concert in Australia colin_anderson@i... wrote: > Errrr....what concert in Australia? Well, according to (the incredibly inconvenient to use) kraftwerk.com, they played Gold Coast on January 19, Sydney on the 25th, Melbourne on the 27th, Adelaide on the 31st, and Perth on February 2. --Daniel NP: Project Pitchfork - View from a Throne [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 4:40 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #310 for February 27, 2003 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #310 February 27, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Orbital Decay, a spacemusic duo in the Quakertown area who recently played at the Soundscapes Concert Series on February 22. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Live on WXPN.' The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Ricochet' by Tangerine Dream on Virgin Records. I also played the music of vidnaObmana who will play at the next Soundscapes in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on April 19. I also played the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson who will be at the next Gathering in Philadelphia on April 12. Orbital Decay http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#feb Soundscapes Concert Series http://soundscapes.us Gatherings Concert Series http://thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tangerine Dream Part One Ricochet (Virgin) Vir Unis and Stroboscopic Thermal Transfer (Binary) Saul Stokes vidnaObmana Flesh Reaper Tremor (Relapse) James Johnson and A Slow Return Forgotten PLaces (Zero Music Robert Scott Thompson and Aucourant Records) Xeroid Entity Third Moon of Saturn Xeroid Entity (Xeroid Records) Mr. Soon Quartzite Places in Arizona (Psychosomatic) Artemiy Artemiev and Preliminary Steps Equilibrium (Electroshock) Karda Estrada 12:00 am Orbital Decay August 12, 2001 Live on WXPN (none) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll start a month-long focus on Spacecraft. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Spacecraft' on the Lektronic Soundscapes label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Forever Blowing Bubbles' by Clearlight on Virgin Records. I will also play the music of vidnaObmana, Vir Unis, and James Johnson who will be appearing at local concerts in April. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 8:26 pm Subject: Chris Franke track question At the Sonic Images web page there's some high quality mp3 samples of different types of music Chris can do. There's 33 tracks totalling around 50 minutes. Most of them seem to be edits from soundtracks and other released music. There's one track in particular (number 2 in the list) that I really like, but it's obviously edited from a longer track. I'd love to get the full version of this if it exists. Does anyone know where this track comes from (if it is indeed a released track)? (web link follows). http://sonicimages.com/webdata/cf/MusicByCF/snd/SynthPop-12v2.mp3 James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39462 Re: Chris Franke track question Jim Moore moxica93 Fri 2/28/2003 3 KB 39463 Re: Chris Franke track question Owens, James yxalag2 Fri 2/28/2003 2 KB 39464 Re: Chris Franke track question Owens, James yxalag2 Fri 2/28/2003 2 KB 39476 Armageddon score Marko Marin rubyconist Mon 3/3/2003 2 KB 39477 24 & Sean Callery's music Marko Marin rubyconist Mon 3/3/2003 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Chris Franke track question James, I don't think that is part of any existing released music, at least none that I have (though I don't have the Calling -- *hint*! *hint*!). It is pretty good, though! I'm supposed to go to L.A. next month; maybe I should pop into Franke's studio and bug him about a new studio album until he acquiesces... - jim -----Original Message----- From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] At the Sonic Images web page there's some high quality mp3 samples of different types of music Chris can do. There's 33 tracks totalling around 50 minutes. Most of them seem to be edits from soundtracks and other released music. There's one track in particular (number 2 in the list) that I really like, but it's obviously edited from a longer track. I'd love to get the full version of this if it exists. Does anyone know where this track comes from (if it is indeed a released track)? (web link follows). http://sonicimages.com/webdata/cf/MusicByCF/snd/SynthPop-12v2.mp3 From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Chris Franke track question Jim wrote: > maybe I should > pop into Franke's studio and bug him about a new studio album until he > acquiesces... Please do! I'm sure he's got plenty of material! > (though I don't have the Calling -- *hint*! > *hint*!) Me either, sorry. I've been on the lookout to see if it shows up in the local used CD shop. James From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Chris Franke track question BTW: there's sound samples for 'The Calling' at Amazon.de More on the orchestral side than the 'synth-pop' side. I don't think this is the source of the track in question. James From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 10:41 pm Subject: OT question I'm trying to recall the name of a group that was spotlighted on Echoes a while back. The group (I think it's a duo) is from London. The head-man's dad was a harpsichord maker. They used a lot of samples from old jazz 78 RPM records. The music was electronic with bits of harpsichord and jazz samples. The one guy did a lot of 'musique concrete' for his percussion sounds, which were then looped to get the rythms they wanted. I think they also record under two different group names, depending on the style of the album. Any ideas? From: Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 12:50 pm Subject: Computer help needed Hello All, I am forwarding an e-mail from another list. I know we have some really smart 'computer nerds' on this list that can help, Thanks In God's Love Neal 'You can't take it with you - but you CAN send it on ahead - Give.' Pastor Tom Mullins ****************************************** ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 01, 2003 1:32 AM Subject: [Hibernaculum] Recovery Help Needed!!! > Ai-e-e-e-e-e!!! I accidently deleted a slew of wav files I'd > been working on before I'd burned them to disc (needed harddrive > space and my 6 yr old was talking to me at the same time...duh).. > I know they're not really gone, just the extensions have been > changed so they can be written over... > Who knows of a good utility that will recover my files? Freeware, > please! > Thanks, > Randy > (wow, no posts for awhile! Pretty quiet here these days...Mike needs > to release an album so we have something to talk about...) > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: David Dunham Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 2:41 pm Subject: Help with TT3 Diskcovers printing Hi to all. Can anyone contact me off list with help printing TT3 disks covers? I have Fellowers Neato Mediaface 4. The image is smaller than the paper. The other covers thru Photoshop come out alright. Thanks Dave __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39468 Re: Help with TT3 Diskcovers printing Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Sat 3/1/2003 2 KB 39471 Re: Help with TT3 Diskcovers printing Morgan Feldon feldon23 Mon 3/3/2003 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 3:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Help with TT3 Diskcovers printing As a user of Neato I would have to say that MediaFace 4 SUCKS!!!!! Go get one of the free downloads of the earlier version of the program. There should be a button that will strech the picture after you place it on the template. It is usually called 'SIZE TO FIT' THE HIGHLANDER At 06:41 AM 3/1/03 -0800, you wrote: >Hi to all. Can anyone contact me off list with help >printing TT3 disks covers? I have Fellowers Neato >Mediaface 4. The image is smaller than the paper. The >other covers thru Photoshop come out alright. Thanks Dave > From: René Brenner Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 4:05 pm Subject: Re: Mota Atma...of course! --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > At 12:43 26.02.03, you wrote: > >...and the cover art distributed on the postcard looked like a stylised > >atom all along! > > > >So, when is it coming out then? > > > >Dennis > > > > Dear all, > > approx. 1 month from now. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak What about Dream Mixes 4? Rene From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 4:04 pm Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for March 1, 2003 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. I played the music of vidnaObmana who will perform at the next Soundscapes Concert Series on April 19, at Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. vidnaObmana http://www.vidnaobmana.be Soundscapes Concert Series http://soundscapes.us Show #18 March 1, 2003. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== VA [vidnaObmana] In Memory of Morton Electroacoustic Musiv Vol. 7 Feldman (Electroshock) xeroid entity Second Moon of Saturn xeroid entity (xeroid records) Jurgen Haible Beryll on Copprt Dark November (none) Andy Pickford and Laternentrager Parts 1+2 Ramayana (Neu Harmony) Paul Nagle Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Amethysium Shadow to Light Aphelion (Neurodisc) Michael Hewett The Ever-Widening Being In Dreaming (Dharma Circle Moon) Kitaro Theme from Silk Road Best of Silk Road (Domo) Michael Dulin The Way Home The One I Waited For (Equity Digital) Agatsuma Beams Beams (Domo) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Big Block Dodge SOL Manifold Destiny (Groosian) Derek Sherinian Mata Hari Inertia (InsideOut) Thirteen of Everything Sleepdance Demo 2002 (none) Daemonia Halloween Live or Dead (Deep Red) Daemonia Tubular Bells Live or Dead (Deep Red) Pinnacle Synchronicity II 2003 Demo (none) Shaun Guerin Crazy By the Dark of Light (Clearlight) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on March 15. Bill =============================================================================== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Mar 2, 2003 5:56 am Subject: Re: Help with TT3 Diskcovers printing >From: David Dunham >Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 8:41 am >Subject: Help with TT3 Diskcovers printing >Hi to all. Can anyone contact me off list with help >printing TT3 disks covers? I have Fellowers Neato >Mediaface 4. The image is smaller than the paper. The >other covers thru Photoshop come out alright. Thanks Dave I'd like to dispel this myth. The cover art is the right dimensions at 300dpi. Unfortunately, most of these programs do not expect us to be using 'full-bleed' artwork, so it automatically scales the image down without asking us. Try to find a setting to enlarge the image to 'normal size'. I have ended up making a template myself in Photoshop and loading the artwork into PS to print. If there is a comment to be made about the covers, it's that the tray cards could be 1/4 taller because they do not have enough bleed IMO. -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Mar 2, 2003 10:13 pm Subject: Artwork of DWT I prerelease Hello all, I've received, in a trade, a copy of Dreamwatchers' Tales 1 prerelease CDR, and I'm looking for the artwork. If anyone can help, please contact me offlist. I've already tried to find it on the web, but I could only find DWT II and III, not the first one. Thanks in advance. Antonio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39473 Re: Artwork of DWT I prerelease John Marchington johnmarch1938 Mon 3/3/2003 3 KB From: 'John Marchington' Date: Mon Mar 3, 2003 2:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Artwork of DWT I prerelease Hi Antonio, I have all the DWT1 artwork which I'd be happy to send you. Unfortunately, I haven't been able to unravel your e-mail address. Get back to me off-list if you're interested. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: 'tadream' Sent: Monday, March 03, 2003 11:13 AM Subject: [tadream] Artwork of DWT I prerelease > Hello all, > > I've received, in a trade, a copy of Dreamwatchers' Tales 1 prerelease > CDR, and I'm looking for the artwork. If anyone can help, please contact > me offlist. I've already tried to find it on the web, but I could only > find DWT II and III, not the first one. > > Thanks in advance. > > Antonio > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Mon Mar 3, 2003 10:06 am Subject: Re:TD-Russia ?? Hi all, few weeks/months back i remember someone posting a message that TD would perform on this festival. this message below is from dutch alpha-centauri news-letter : > *** Electronic Music Festival by Elektroshock, St Petersburg (Russia) > cancelled ! > > The planned EM festival in St Petersburg for this summer (originally planned > summer 2002) has been cancelled. > Artemiy Artemiev wrote to us '...unfortunately we have rather sad news. We > had various meetings but all our desperate attempts to persuade financial > organizations to give us money for the Festival failed. We have tried to > arrange for another festival formula but we were afraid to ruin the > conception of the concert program prepared for the event. So we had to decide > to cancel the festival...' so.... no go (at all) tony/rotterdam From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Mar 3, 2003 11:00 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Heartbreakers on TV As with many movies TD did a sountrack for, this is absolutely not worth watching... armin Tony Lomax wrote: > FYI: > > For English viewers 'Heartbreakers' (1984) is being shown on Channel > 5 Saturday 1st March 12:50am. (A good run of TD films so far this > year what with The Keep, Risky Business and Shy People being aired) > > Tony > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Mar 3, 2003 11:21 am Subject: [tadream] Armageddon score Great score! A bit lighter than Zimmer's own style, but MV-influences are there. The main theme is wonderful (Launch is especially thrilling as it plays the theme in full power). The secondary theme is also good, but it's onöu played only twice. If you like Zimmer, Powell, etc. I recommend this at once. It might not be too classy but it's entertaining and I think that's the whole point. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Mar 3, 2003 11:26 am Subject: [tadream] 24 & Sean Callery's music Has anyone watched the wonderful series called 24 (starring Kiefer Sutherland and others)? As a fan of the series and electronic music, I think it's a shame that Sean Callery's pulsating and rythmic score hasn't been released. The main theme alone is great and very urban, but there is also one song that got my attention. In the episode where Jack confronts a man called Ted Cofell, that song is played several times and every time it grows thicker and faster. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 9:51 pm Subject: Soundscapes Concert Series with vidnaObmana The Soundscapes Concert Series proudly presents vidnaObmana in an all ages concert of space music at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island 56 River Street West Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Saturday, April 19, 2003 Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:30 pm FREE Buffet Dinner by Chef Jeff Tickets: $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Soundscapes #4 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music. For the fourth installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series, vidnaObmana will perform a concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem on the north bank of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse is a perfect venue for a concert of spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free buffet dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Advance ticket availability is on-line at http://electro-music.com at coming soon to local outlets. NOTE: There are no discounts on advance tickets. Tickets at the door will be discounted by $3 for those who show their WDIY or WMUH membership cards or their full-time student ID. INFORMATION: http://soundscapes.us CONTACT: Bill Fox billfox@f... 610-746-9615 VIDNAOBMANA: Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one of spacemusic's brightest stars. Using synthesizers, audio processors, and a vast array of exotic instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana creates a complex, layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and sonic atmospheres. The name vidnaObmana means 'optical illusion' in Servo-Croation, a term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during his childhood. He chose this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate how his music correlates sonically with the surreal soundscapes he creates. vidnaObmana is a prolific composer whose diverse body of work ranges from post-industrial through gently atmospheric, to tribal ambient and more. His music slowly shifts through electronic audio imagery, creating extremely personal works of atmospheric delight. Throughout his career, vidnaObmana has explored the abrasive side of electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, international music traditions, and post-classical experimentations. His music has been released widely by many independent labels worldwide, including: Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt and others. A significant portion of vidnaObmana's work has been realized in collaboration with some of the world's most interesting musicians such as Alio Die, Jeff Pearce, Steve Roach, Djen Ajakan Shean, Asmus Tietchens, and Brannan Lane. FLIER: Yahoo will not allow my file for a flier to be attached to this announcement because it is 'too large.' It is available by request. You are encouraged to take an active role in the health of the electronic music scene by printing, displaying, and distributing this flier. Forwarding of this email message helps, too! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40256 Soundscapes Concert Series with vidnaObmana Bill Fox ultramusicman Tue 4/8/2003 5 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Mar 3, 2003 8:24 pm Subject: ignore test test _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Jeffrey Au-Yeung' Date: Tue Mar 4, 2003 12:16 pm Subject: Offer for trade: Koyaanisqatsi DVD I have 2 copies of the said Region 3 DVD available for swap, if somebody is interested. Jeffrey Email: coldwatercanyon@h... From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Tue Mar 4, 2003 1:52 pm Subject: EMUSIC Monly Top 20 Report for February, 2003 WDIY 88.1 FM 'EMUSIC' Top 20 for February, 2003. Shows #307 to #310; 6-February-2003 to 27-February-2003 Reported in non-ranked order. Compiled by Bill Fox, billfox@f... CONTACT: billfox@f... http://wdiyfm.org/programs/emusic ARTIST - ALBUM TITLE - LABEL ============================ Alpha Wave Movement - A Distant Signal - HRR Artemiy Artemiev and Karda Estrada - Equilibrium - Electroshock James Johnson and Robert Scott Thompson - Forgotten PLaces - Zero Music and Aucourant Records Jurgen Haible - Dark November - none Mikronesia - Mikronesia - none Orbital Decay - Live in Concert - none Orbital Decay - Live on EMUSIC - none Orbital Decay - Live on WXPN - none Orbital Decay - Orbital Decay - none Orbital Decay - Re-Entry - none Orbital Decay - The Key of Sea - none Otarion - Creator - Neu Harmony Paul Ellis - Into the Liquid Unknown - Binary Robert Carty - Tonalities - Deep Sky Music Skin Mechanix - The Secret Life of Angels of Known Space - InfectionMusic Under the Dome - Bellerophon - Neu Harmony Various Artists - A Slight Touch of Grace - Relapse vidnaObmana - Spore - Relapse vidnaObmana - Tremor - Relapse Vir Unis and Saul Stokes - Thermal Transfer - Binary Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: Jonathan Holt Date: Tue Mar 4, 2003 3:22 pm Subject: TD Webcam URGENT!!! If you can all rush to the webcam link on the multi-media page at the bands website, I think I saw a branch move!... Yes, yes, I did. It was definately in a different position than on the previous image... not sure how, maybe a bomb went off, maybe spies from Jean Michel Jarre's camp are hiding in the trees, disguised as squirrels and wearing cloaking devices like in Predator, or it could have been a bit of a light breeze! Yes, I think we can all agree that the webcam is absolutely worth it's weight in gold! Who in the right minds would want to look into the TD studio when there is a whole garden out there!!!? Cheers! ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39483 Re: TD Webcam URGENT!!! billythefish01 billythefish01 Tue 3/4/2003 3 KB 39484 Re: TD Webcam URGENT!!! Robert Asmus plastics67 Tue 3/4/2003 3 KB 39510 Re: TD Webcam URGENT!!! omegatransfinito omegatransfinito Wed 3/5/2003 2 KB From: 'billythefish01 ' Date: Tue Mar 4, 2003 4:33 pm Subject: Re: TD Webcam URGENT!!! Someone should go out there and plant a Tangerine Tree which we could all then watch grow. Morgan, you know where to get one, right? ;-) --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Holt wrote: > If you can all rush to the webcam link on the > multi-media page at the bands website, I think I saw a > branch move!... Yes, yes, I did. It was definately in > a different position than on the previous image... not > sure how, maybe a bomb went off, maybe spies from Jean > Michel Jarre's camp are hiding in the trees, disguised > as squirrels and wearing cloaking devices like in > Predator, or it could have been a bit of a light > breeze! > Yes, I think we can all agree that the webcam is > absolutely worth it's weight in gold! > Who in the right minds would want to look into the TD > studio when there is a whole garden out there!!!? > > Cheers! > > _____________________________________________________________________ _ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39484 Re: TD Webcam URGENT!!! Robert Asmus plastics67 Tue 3/4/2003 3 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Tue Mar 4, 2003 6:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: TD Webcam URGENT!!! ROTFLMAO -----Original Message----- From: billythefish01 [mailto:mudspanker@y...] Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 11:34 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: TD Webcam URGENT!!! Someone should go out there and plant a Tangerine Tree which we could all then watch grow. Morgan, you know where to get one, right? ;-) --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Holt wrote: > If you can all rush to the webcam link on the > multi-media page at the bands website, I think I saw a > branch move!... Yes, yes, I did. It was definately in > a different position than on the previous image... not > sure how, maybe a bomb went off, maybe spies from Jean > Michel Jarre's camp are hiding in the trees, disguised > as squirrels and wearing cloaking devices like in > Predator, or it could have been a bit of a light > breeze! > Yes, I think we can all agree that the webcam is > absolutely worth it's weight in gold! > Who in the right minds would want to look into the TD > studio when there is a whole garden out there!!!? > > Cheers! > > _____________________________________________________________________ _ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: René Brenner Date: Tue Mar 4, 2003 6:21 pm Subject: OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées One of the very old Soundtracks from Jarre is finally re-issued on the official Francis dreyfus music label for a very decent price (amazon.fr) and other places. No more need to get your hands on counterfeits. I would hope TD will also try to re-issue a few of their older soundtrack material (The man inside etc.). René Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39611 Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées Shez Sat 3/8/2003 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Mar 4, 2003 8:03 pm Subject: OT: Funniest LP list I've ever read All you vinyl lovers out there: you've GOT to read this very interesting (and hillarious) list of LPs. http://www.kingkonggirio.com/vinyl.htm James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39490 Re: OT: Funniest LP list I've ever read Heiko Heerssen td_freak Wed 3/5/2003 3 KB 39492 Re: OT: Funniest LP list I've ever read Dan Downey djambient Wed 3/5/2003 2 KB From: rbrown4856@a... Date: Tue Mar 4, 2003 10:27 pm Subject: Astoria CD Single Hi All! Just received my copy of the Special Release single today.After listening a couple of times I'll have to say I like the two remixes from Dream Mixes 4. I can't help it but to me I believe the track Gates of Saturn from Mota Atma has to be a leftover from Mars Polaris.It just sounds too much like something from that CD. Rick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39488 Re: Astoria CD Single Owens, James yxalag2 Tue 3/4/2003 2 KB 39489 Re: Astoria CD Single Steven Feldman losmara Wed 3/5/2003 2 KB 39491 Re: Astoria CD Single- 7 Letters braddito braddito Wed 3/5/2003 2 KB 39493 Re: Astoria CD Single michaeljean@e... mikejeanwork Wed 3/5/2003 3 KB 39494 Re: Astoria CD Single Greg expressionistix Wed 3/5/2003 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Mar 4, 2003 10:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Astoria CD Single Maybe it was part of the planned second disc of Mars Polaris? > -----Original Message----- > From: rbrown4856@a... [mailto:rbrown4856@a...] > I can't help it but to me I believe the track Gates of > Saturn from Mota > Atma has to be a leftover from Mars Polaris.It just sounds > too much like something from that CD. From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 3:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria CD Single On Tue, 4 Mar 2003 17:27:10 EST rbrown4856@a... writes: > I can't help it but to me I believe the track Gates of Saturn > from Mota Atma has to be a leftover from Mars Polaris. It just >sounds too much like something from that CD. this is a *good* thing. Better something that sounds like MARS POLARIS than something that sounds like THE SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET or INFERNO! >Rick Stephe Feldman, androgyne http://androgyne.0catch.com/ Androgyne Online webmaster [note that the '0' in '0catch' is a zero (Ø), not a capital O] [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39491 Re: Astoria CD Single- 7 Letters braddito braddito Wed 3/5/2003 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 6:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Funniest LP list I've ever read > All you vinyl lovers out there: you've GOT to read this very interesting > (and hillarious) list of LPs. > > http://www.kingkonggirio.com/vinyl.htm > > James a real classic..guess I'm gonna sell my 'Switched on Bach' CD and buy 'Switched on Santa' instead. Or Walter Ostanek and the Polka Schmaltz Band? :-) Heiko From: 'braddito' Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 8:53 am Subject: Re: Astoria CD Single- 7 Letters I admit that the only bits I've heard of 7 Letters are the clips on the TDI site plus 'Lhasa' on Quinoa (if it was renamed for 7 Letters as has been suggested) - but I thought it sounded good. A bit like early 70's compositions. Are the bits I've heard not representative ? If a UK owner wants to sell me theirs second hand, I'm interested. Toby PS I agree with the comments on DM4 - could be a great CD. Better something that sounds like > MARS POLARIS than something that sounds like THE SEVEN LETTERS > FROM TIBET or INFERNO! From: Dan Downey Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 1:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Funniest LP list I've ever read I don't know what this says about me but I've got 3 of the featured LPs but I'm not about to reveal which 3 DanD --- 'Owens, James' wrote: > All you vinyl lovers out there: you've GOT to read > this very interesting > (and hillarious) list of LPs. > > http://www.kingkonggirio.com/vinyl.htm > > James > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 2:03 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Astoria CD Single I think the planned 2nd disc already came out as Great Wall of China. MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: Owens, James james.owens@m... Date: Tue, 4 Mar 2003 16:44:18 -0600 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] Astoria CD Single Maybe it was part of the planned second disc of Mars Polaris? > -----Original Message----- > From: rbrown4856@a... [mailto:rbrown4856@a...] > I can't help it but to me I believe the track Gates of > Saturn from Mota > Atma has to be a leftover from Mars Polaris.It just sounds > too much like something from that CD. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . From: 'Greg' Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 2:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria CD Single LOL you guys seem to forget that these albums were made as soundtracks! They are not as interchangable as one may think. Greg H. NP Jazzanova - Soul Salsa Soul > I think the planned 2nd disc already came out as Great Wall of China. > > MJ From: 'ravnnet' Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 3:40 pm Subject: Photos and news from TD There is some news on www.tangerinedream.org BUT no surprises for the lucky people who went to Astoria... Mota Atma is a soundtrack and will hit stores about end of april... Dream Mixes 4 going to be released at summer time... Photos from concert in multimedia section... -Peter Ravn From: Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 4:14 pm Subject: TD Website update Hello, visit http://www.tangerinedream.org (Website update) for Tangerine Dream NEWS incl. photos from the London - Astoria Gig !!! Cheers heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de http://www.opticaldream.de Sign up for your free PAYPAL account: https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=WDJX3DNKVFJ9E cool link: http://www.klamm.de/?refid=62978 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'syngate' Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 6:46 am Subject: Syngate News 3/2003 www.syngate.net presents Mysterious Sequences at the Castle and the Schwingungen election 2002 (Schwingungenwahl 2002) with Fanger & Schönwälder live on 29th March 2003 at Satzvey Castle, Germany. and invited guests like Axess, Steve Baltes, Ron Boots, Harald Grosskopf, Klaus Hoffmann-Hoock, Kein Kaufzwang, Klangwelt, Peter Mergener, Nautilus, Nebula Drone and more. Besides this another event will takes place on 15th March 2003 EMiL - Electronic Music FESTIVAL in Langenfeld with: Otarion, Arcanum, Bas B. Broekhuis, Nebula Drone, Something Completely Different, Keller & Schönwälder, ['ramp], Second Decay and Navigator plus great new CD-Rs from the SynGate label: > CD-R 2013: Nebula Drone - On > CD-R 2012: beatboys 2000 - citylife 2 > CD-R 2011: beatboys 2000 - citylife 1 > CD-R 2010: beatboys 2000 - little place > CD-R 2009: Hardy Kukuk - timeless > CD-R 2006: Syn - Thru The SynGate > CD-R 2005: Remote Spaces - Spirals > CD-R 2004: Foreign Spaces - Early Breakfast > CD-R 2003: Frank Klare - Memorial Dreams > CD-R 2002: Frank Klare - Berlin Sequences > CD-R 2001: Synrise - Fade In > CD-R 2106: BIOnight - Songswell > CD-R 2105: BIOnight - Daybreak > CD-R 2103: BIOnight - Afterpost 2001 > CD-R 2101: BIOnight - Egoheart With kind regards and hope to see you at SATZVEY or EMiL Lothar www.syngate.net From: 'Neil ' Date: Tue Mar 4, 2003 7:03 am Subject: OT - Trying to contact Ray Hallett Sorry about the waste of bandwidth folks but I'm trying to contact Ray and am getting emails bounced back. Could Ray contact me off-list asap please. Regards Neil From: 'creative_operator ' Date: Mon Mar 3, 2003 1:47 pm Subject: Astoria Photos Photos uploaded to the 'Photos' area of the Tadream Group. Enjoy Derek Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39502 Astoria Photos creative_operator From: 'P.M. Dierking ' Date: Sun Mar 2, 2003 11:30 pm Subject: Comparison / recommendation I have a friend in (a remote part) Russia who really likes Klaus Schulze' album 'Dune'. They have never heard TD, but are very interested. I'm not particularly familiar with Schulze, but based on someone liking 'Dune', what TD material might my friend find most appealing? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39508 Re: Comparison / recommendation Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Wed 3/5/2003 2 KB From: 'P.M. Dierking ' Date: Sun Mar 2, 2003 11:26 pm Subject: Fast sequences Does anyone know, or can speculate who might have been the primary composer of the sequence work in Flock and Midnight in Tula? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39514 Re: Fast sequences Owens, James yxalag2 Wed 3/5/2003 2 KB 39520 Re: Fast sequences Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Thu 3/6/2003 3 KB 39521 Re: Fast sequences Armin Theissen armin_theissen Thu 3/6/2003 3 KB 39527 Re: Fast sequences Synthhtnys@a... Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB 39534 Re: Fast sequences Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB From: 'creative_operator ' Date: Sun Mar 2, 2003 9:11 pm Subject: Astoria Photos New photos from the above concert have been added in the 'Photos' area of this Group : http://photos.groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/lst?.view=t&.dir=/Astori a+15+Feb+2003 Enjoy Derek From: 'leethake ' Date: Sun Mar 2, 2003 12:44 pm Subject: TD TREE I keep seeing that the digital tree can be downloaded and would be happy if someone could help me as to how can get info or authorsation to be able to download. The Astoria Gig was good and i did not take a camera so thanks for all those that are posting photos on the web Looking forward to another 30 years of music From: 'Bill Dennehy ' Date: Sat Mar 1, 2003 7:20 pm Subject: Always interested in more TD Hi, I have the first TD tree and I am getting the second one soon. I don't have any other rec of this 'type' of music but have lots of jazz to trade for more TD. If interested, please email me directly. Thanks, Bill Dennehy From: Shez Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 11:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze >Days' during about 3 minutes. This band was composed by the following >members: Klaus Schulze (organ), F. J. Krueger (guitar), Marian Gold >(vocals), Toni Nissl (drums) and a certain 'Fred Schnitzel' playing >bass. 'Fred' is also known by the name of 'Florian Schneider' when he >plays in another group called Kraftwerk. The film is directed by >Diethard Kuester, screenplay by Jochen Brunow, and the main cast is: >Natalia Woerner, Leslie Malton, Christoph M. Ohrt and Esther Schweins. > well, Florian Schneider is a comon name in Germany I presume, it's probably not the right one. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39519 Re: Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Fri Feb 28, 2003 9:54 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Kraftwerk concert in Australia check out their website, Kraftwerk have been on the move again but managed to bypass the UK completely :-( -----Original Message----- From: colin anderson [mailto:colin_anderson@i...] Sent: 28 February 2003 09:39 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Kraftwerk concert in Australia Errrr....what concert in Australia? Message: 18 Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2003 14:30:45 -0000 From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Subject: KRAFTWERK GOSSIP Sorry 2b off topic but sure there are TD fans out there that like Kraftwerk too - so......... 'A freind of a friend spoke to Hütter an Schneider at one of their concerts in Australia recently. Ralf says they have one new single ready and are working on a 'greatest Hits' DVD. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 5:35 pm Subject: Re: Jarre and TT2 Hello, Dreamers, Thank you, René, for the info. Amazon got a new customer last night ;o) I *still* have a complete set of TT2 cdr-audio ready to go if someone is interested... please contact me off list in case. Best Regards, Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: 'René Brenner' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 04, 2003 7:21 PM Subject: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées One of the very old Soundtracks from Jarre is finally re-issued on the official Francis dreyfus music label for a very decent price (amazon.fr) and other places. No more need to get your hands on counterfeits. From: Olav Neander Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 5:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Comparison / recommendation P.M. Dierking schrieb: >based on someone liking 'Dune', what TD material might my friend find most >appealing? > Dune... I'll suggest the early stuff like Zeit, Atem, concerning the first track on Dune. Phaedra and Rubycon could be appealing concerning the other track. Olav Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 5:54 pm Subject: Re: was Astoria CD Single, Mars Polaris GWOC Perhaps, but aren't you forgetting about the Mars Polaris 'mispressing', that contained about 50% material from GWOC? MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: Greg designx@c... Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 07:18:48 -0700 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria CD Single LOL you guys seem to forget that these albums were made as soundtracks! They are not as interchangable as one may think. Greg H. NP Jazzanova - Soul Salsa Soul > I think the planned 2nd disc already came out as Great Wall of China. > > MJ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39516 Re: was Astoria CD Single, Mars Polaris GWOC Greg expressionistix Wed 3/5/2003 2 KB From: 'omegatransfinito' Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 6:25 pm Subject: Re: TD Webcam URGENT!!! --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Jonathan Holt wrote: > not > sure how, maybe a bomb went off, maybe spies from Jean > Michel Jarre's camp are hiding in the trees, disguised > as squirrels and wearing cloaking devices like in > Predator, or it could have been a bit of a light > breeze! A 'light' breeze? Don't you mean a 'cool' breeze from you-know-where? -Wait a minute. At the moment it shows some sort of an iron balcony which I don't remember seeing earlier... so do they take the fence down once in a while or was it just too dark the last time? John Vertical From: 'omegatransfinito' Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 6:34 pm Subject: I have a clue about the bouncing issue. Just a while ago I experienced my first Yahoo bouncing case. It was an extreme nothing-through bounce.. This occured almost the same instant I turned my junk mail filter on. I now set it off (I can delete spam by hand as well - it's usually only 3-8 messages per day) and... hey presto, everything works fine again. Coincidence? I think not. I might check soon if toggling the filter will continue to toggle the bouncing... John Vertical Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39512 Re: I have a clue about the bouncing issue. David Wakefield bolosun Wed 3/5/2003 3 KB 39513 Anyone managed to recreate the 'Seagull Sound' on a Korg Z1? Richard zoanne1uk Wed 3/5/2003 2 KB 39515 Re: Anyone managed to recreate the 'Seagull Sound' on a Korg Z1? Pergamon pergamondk Wed 3/5/2003 2 KB From: 'David Wakefield' Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] I have a clue about the bouncing issue. Because I am on ADSL I use web2mail to read my email when I am away. The email filter says all of the emails to this group are spam. Dave W -------Original Message------- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 05 March 2003 18:35:03 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] I have a clue about the bouncing issue. Just a while ago I experienced my first Yahoo bouncing case. It was an extreme nothing-through bounce.. This occured almost the same instant I turned my junk mail filter on. I now set it off (I can delete spam by hand as well - it's usually only 3-8 messages per day) and... hey presto, everything works fine again. Coincidence? I think not. I might check soon if toggling the filter will continue to toggle the bouncing... John Vertical ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Richard Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 7:00 pm Subject: Anyone managed to recreate the 'Seagull Sound' on a Korg Z1? Anyone out there with a Korg Z1 and managed to recreate that TD 'Seagull Sound'? Cheers -- Richard F Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39515 Re: Anyone managed to recreate the 'Seagull Sound' on a Korg Z1? Pergamon pergamondk Wed 3/5/2003 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 8:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Fast sequences Chris, most definitely. Listen to 'Chimes and Chains' from the 70-80 box set and you'll be convinced as well. (Or even the theme from the vaporware Babylon 5 combat simulator game.) Also, if you listen to the sequencer lines of Edgar's solo stuff, they have a different feel to them than Chris' stuff. Note: I don't have any direct reference for this, it's just educated guesses on my part. James > -----Original Message----- > From: P.M. Dierking > > Does anyone know, or can speculate who might have been the primary > composer of the sequence work in Flock and Midnight in Tula? From: 'Pergamon' Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 9:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Anyone managed to recreate the 'Seagull Sound' on a Korg Z1? ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Richard' Subject: [tadream] Anyone managed to recreate the 'Seagull Sound' on a Korg Z1? > Anyone out there with a Korg Z1 and managed to recreate that TD > 'Seagull Sound'? > Cheers > Richard F I am interested in this as well. Do we have a synthsoundprogrammingsgurugodthingy on this list which would like to share the sound????? Jan From: 'Greg' Date: Wed Mar 5, 2003 10:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: was Astoria CD Single, Mars Polaris GWOC The two albums may have been done around the same time but they are both thematically very different and both soundtracks for two very different things. The misspressing is just that - a misspressing. I don't understand how you could stamp Mars Polaris 2 onto GWOC. Greg H. NP: Warp Brothers - Cokane > Perhaps, but aren't you forgetting about the Mars Polaris 'mispressing', > that contained about 50% material from GWOC? > > MJ From: Liondream@a... Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 4:14 am Subject: Re: AS on Korg I have a Vaz 2010 patch if anyone wants it - at least I think it's on the right track. Haven't tried it on any other beasts yet. In theory I think one should be able to recreate it on whatever has the appropriate modules. I know there was discussion about it being done on a modular, etc., etc., but one should still be able to get in the ballpark IMO. Not familiar with the Z1 architecture exactly... I almost bought one three years ago but went for a CS6X instead. Didn't Eric W. mention something about a Z1 last week? Eric, any luck? w BTW I heard today that Korg is coming out with a Wavestation vsti (for those who wish to add a little Deep Atmosphere to their tunes)! MS10 too! In a message dated 3/5/2003 7:00:34 PM Central Standard Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 5 Mar 2003 22:32:08 +0100 > From: 'Pergamon' > Subject: Re: Anyone managed to recreate the 'Seagull Sound' on a Korg Z1? > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Richard' > Subject: [tadream] Anyone managed to recreate the 'Seagull Sound' on a Korg > Z1? > > Anyone out there with a Korg Z1 and managed to recreate that TD > > 'Seagull Sound'? > > Cheers > > Richard F > > I am interested in this as well. Do we have a > C on this list which would like to share > the sound????? > > Jan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tangram80' Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 4:53 am Subject: Great news from TDI Soundtrack - Mota Atma - release in April! Posted on Wednesday 05 March @ 14:56:38 | | As the people attending the Astoria show may have already noticed, the newest Tangerine Dream soundtrack release, titled Mota Atma, will be hitting the shops. The world wide release date is April 29th, 2003 and the album will be released on our new sublabel TDP. Distribution will be via Voiceprint U.K. and Zomba. The music is based on a soundtrack Edgar and Jerome Froese composed for a Japanese/American co-produced documentary. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39522 Re: Great news from TDI Dennis Nigbur Thu 3/6/2003 3 KB 39523 TD release schedule Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Thu 3/6/2003 3 KB 39525 Re: TD release schedule jjank@w... jjank_66 Thu 3/6/2003 4 KB 39554 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Fri 3/7/2003 3 KB 39529 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB 39530 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB 39533 Re: TD release schedule Antonio Nunes ajogon Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB 39553 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39544 Re: TD release schedule mrmorton@a... chromexus Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB From: Eric Williamson Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 6:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Kraftwerk - Klaus Schulze On Friday, February 28, 2003, at 05:42 AM, Shez wrote: > well, Florian Schneider is a comon name in Germany I presume, it's > probably not the right one. i believe there is a mention of that movie on Klaus' website, and he says some thing about 'members of Kraftwerk'. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 8:51 am Subject: Re: Fast sequences >From: 'P.M. Dierking ' >Date: Sun Mar 2, 2003 11:26 pm >Subject: Fast sequences > >Does anyone know, or can speculate who might have been the primary >composer of the sequence work in Flock and Midnight in Tula? I've always assumed that 'Midnight in Tula' is predominantly Schmoelling. It's one of those signature 'wacky' pieces that I always associate him with. See 'The Anteater' or 'Huntsman's Song' (I think that's the one--anyway, the crazy-sounding one from the _Songs Without Words_ album.) Incidentally, why do the sleevenotes on _Songs Without Words_ go on and on and on about Mendellsohn and the piano? There's hardly any f*cking piano on this record. When I bought it I thought it was going to be full of solo piano tracks, with maybe a bit of synth backing here and there. Glynn '_Orgasmatron_ was a record about the things people who are not very good at sex get involved in--like politics, religion and war.' --Lemmy From: Armin Theissen Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 10:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Fast sequences Unfortunately not so often praised for his excellent sequencer work is TD veteran Peter Baumann! I suspect he's behind the Stratosfear sequencing. Listen to his solo records! armin Owens, James wrote: > Chris, most definitely. Listen to 'Chimes and Chains' from the 70-80 box > set and you'll be convinced as well. (Or even the theme from the vaporware > Babylon 5 combat simulator game.) Also, if you listen to the sequencer lines > of Edgar's solo stuff, they have a different feel to them than Chris' stuff. > > Note: I don't have any direct reference for this, it's just educated guesses > on my part. > James > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: P.M. Dierking >> >>Does anyone know, or can speculate who might have been the primary >>composer of the sequence work in Flock and Midnight in Tula? >> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 10:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Great news from TDI Good news indeed. But wasn't MA announced as the brand-new studio album? I struggle to remember the last studio release that wasn't a soundtrack, Remix or Re-Release of some description. Dennis On 6 Mar 2003 at 4:53, tangram80 wrote: > Soundtrack - Mota Atma - release in April! > Posted on Wednesday 05 March @ 14:56:38 | | > As the people attending the Astoria show may have already noticed, the > newest Tangerine Dream soundtrack release, titled Mota Atma, will be > hitting the shops. > > The world wide release date is April 29th, 2003 and the album will be > released on our new sublabel TDP. Distribution will be via Voiceprint > U.K. and Zomba. The music is based on a soundtrack Edgar and Jerome > Froese composed for a Japanese/American co-produced documentary. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39523 TD release schedule Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Thu 3/6/2003 3 KB 39525 Re: TD release schedule jjank@w... jjank_66 Thu 3/6/2003 4 KB 39554 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Fri 3/7/2003 3 KB 39529 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB 39530 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB 39533 Re: TD release schedule Antonio Nunes ajogon Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB 39553 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39544 Re: TD release schedule mrmorton@a... chromexus Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39555 Re: TD release schedule Antonio Nunes ajogon Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 12:26 pm Subject: TD release schedule --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Nigbur wrote: > Good news indeed. But wasn't MA announced as the brand-new studio > album? I struggle to remember the last studio release that wasn't a > soundtrack, Remix or Re-Release of some description. > > Dennis Er, _Inferno_? True, though: 'proper' albums have been fairly thin on the ground in recent years. (I count Goblins Club, Mars Polaris and Inferno since 1996) and there has been an awful lot of 'white noise' in the form of Dream Mixes, remixes, compilations, live albums, 'classics' releases, soundtracks, etc. But then again, I suppose when a band starts releasing stuff on its own label, a more regular and structured release schedule doesn't apply anymore. Bear in mind, too, that Edgar is pushing 60, and that since about 2000 TD looks as if it has started to slow down into a sort of semi-retirement. I doubt very much whether we'll ever see the regular appearance of 'proper' albums again. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39525 Re: TD release schedule jjank@w... jjank_66 Thu 3/6/2003 4 KB 39554 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Fri 3/7/2003 3 KB 39529 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB 39530 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB 39533 Re: TD release schedule Antonio Nunes ajogon Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB 39553 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39544 Re: TD release schedule mrmorton@a... chromexus Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39555 Re: TD release schedule Antonio Nunes ajogon Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39563 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 11:12 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Fast sequences Baumann SOLO Armin, I guess it's hard to say how much each band member has contributed to any piece and if he even contributed 'equally' to Phaedra, Rubycon, Ricochet or Stratosfear the man has talent ( Ricochet being a personal all time favourite ) However!! what happenned on his solo LP's ? I own all the vinyl versions but recently purchased a 'best of' on CD as it was cheap and the experience reminded me why they have been pretty much unplayed for so long - Repeat Repeat being the most diabolical of his solo output - comparing Ricochet to Kinky Dinky!!!! oh dear.......... Mat -----Original Message----- From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...] Sent: 06 March 2003 10:34 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Fast sequences Unfortunately not so often praised for his excellent sequencer work is TD veteran Peter Baumann! I suspect he's behind the Stratosfear sequencing. Listen to his solo records! armin Owens, James wrote: > Chris, most definitely. Listen to 'Chimes and Chains' from the 70-80 box > set and you'll be convinced as well. (Or even the theme from the vaporware > Babylon 5 combat simulator game.) Also, if you listen to the sequencer lines > of Edgar's solo stuff, they have a different feel to them than Chris' stuff. > > Note: I don't have any direct reference for this, it's just educated guesses > on my part. > James > > >>-----Original Message----- >>From: P.M. Dierking >> >>Does anyone know, or can speculate who might have been the primary >>composer of the sequence work in Flock and Midnight in Tula? >> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39526 Re: Fast sequences Baumann SOLO Synthhtnys@a... Thu 3/6/2003 2 KB From: Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 3:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD release schedule I am the same way interested in classics releases, live albums and the so called 'proper' releases. And I can't see a soundtrack as something 'improper': isn't the difference to a regular record only the source of inspiration?. OK I know that in the past there were some 'questionable' soundtracks or better soundtrack issues. But all the latter ones were not to distinguish from 'normal' releases, were they? Jörg tadream@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 06.03.03 13:26:38: > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > Good news indeed. But wasn't MA announced as the brand-new studio > > album? I struggle to remember the last studio release that wasn't a > > soundtrack, Remix or Re-Release of some description. > > > > Dennis > > Er, _Inferno_? True, though: 'proper' albums have been fairly thin on > the ground in recent years. (I count Goblins Club, Mars Polaris and > Inferno since 1996) and there has been an awful lot of 'white noise' > in the form of Dream Mixes, remixes, compilations, live > albums, 'classics' releases, soundtracks, etc. > > But then again, I suppose when a band starts releasing stuff on its > own label, a more regular and structured release schedule doesn't > apply anymore. Bear in mind, too, that Edgar is pushing 60, and that > since about 2000 TD looks as if it has started to slow down into a > sort of semi-retirement. I doubt very much whether we'll ever see the > regular appearance of 'proper' albums again. > > Glynn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________________ E-Mails sehen immer gleich aus? Aber nicht bei WEB.DE FreeMail! http://freemail.web.de/features?mc=021138 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39554 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Fri 3/7/2003 3 KB From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 3:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fast sequences Baumann SOLO In a message dated 3/6/2003 6:41:17 AM Pacific Standard Time, mmckenzie@o... writes: > However!! what happenned on his solo LP's ? > > Mat *Well I think Romance '76 was one of the truly great albums... and I like about 1/2 of Trans harmonic nights... but once he started singing, well.......... Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 3:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fast sequences In a message dated 3/6/2003 2:35:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, Armin.Theissen@s... writes: > Unfortunately not so often praised for his excellent > sequencer work is TD veteran Peter Baumann! I suspect > he's behind the Stratosfear sequencing. Listen to > his solo records! > > armin > *I agree 100%. Stratosfear has Baumann's stamp all over it. Yes, I think he's very underrated when it comes to sequencing. Poly [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Paul Fellows Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 3:52 pm Subject: [tadream] New swaplist Hi all, After a week's holiday in the UK and a few days being unable to FTP my updated web pages, I have finally managed to put up my rather more interesting than usual swaplist: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/swaplist.html Cheers Paul From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 3:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD release schedule On 6 Mar 2003 at 12:26, Glynn Naughton wrote: > Er, _Inferno_? True, though: 'proper' albums have been fairly thin on > the ground in recent years. (I count Goblins Club, Mars Polaris and > Inferno since 1996) and there has been an awful lot of 'white noise' > in the form of Dream Mixes, remixes, compilations, live albums, > 'classics' releases, soundtracks, etc. Ah, of course! I don't have Inferno yet, which is probably why I didn't count it. But even then, Inferno is based on a concrete, specific literary source and therefore only a small step away from a soundtrack...and wasn't Mars Polaris labelled as a 'virtual soundtrack to something'? Which leaves Goblins' Club of 6 years ago, which is also the last 'proper' studio album I could remember... Dennis From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 3:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD release schedule On 6 Mar 2003 at 12:26, Glynn Naughton wrote: > Er, _Inferno_? True, though: 'proper' albums have been fairly thin on > the ground in recent years. (I count Goblins Club, Mars Polaris and > Inferno since 1996) and there has been an awful lot of 'white noise' > in the form of Dream Mixes, remixes, compilations, live albums, > 'classics' releases, soundtracks, etc. Ah, of course! I don't have Inferno yet, which is probably why I didn't count it. But even then, Inferno is based on a concrete, specific literary source and therefore only a small step away from a soundtrack...and wasn't Mars Polaris labelled as a 'virtual soundtrack to something'? Which leaves Goblins' Club of 6 years ago, which is also the last 'proper' studio album I could remember... Dennis From: 'dreamsector' Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 5:18 pm Subject: DM4 packaging I've been meaning to post this as just one small voice (e.g. one opinion as an end user)... it's meant more for Martin than anyone else, but may also apply to others out there... Before I continue let me again bring up the word: opinion! Listening to DM3 right now, and I really like the packaging and design - in fact I like most of the work that Mr. Froese has done over the years and specifically the TDI years. I think it suits the music well. However... As cool as the digipak concept is presentation-wise, it is not my favorite thing in terms of practicality. It seems that the center piece that holds the cd in place never lasts very long on those - especially when it's clear plastic. A couple of the little teeth have broken off on my DM3 and now the cd always falls out. Seems like it happens to all my digipak cds and my copy of Shango, for example, is also actually falling apart at the seams. If it was a regular jewel case I could just go out and buy another one, but with the digipak I'm kind of stuck. So, for what it's worth, I would like to place a vote for a regular jewel case for DM4. I guess I should also say that I treat my cds very nicely and it isn't as if I was playing frisbee on the beach with it or something. :-) w Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39536 Re: DM4 packaging John Marchington johnmarch1938 Fri 3/7/2003 5 KB 39540 Re: DM4 packaging TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 3/7/2003 3 KB From: 'dreamsector' Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 5:24 pm Subject: DM4 packaging correction I should have said 'request' not vote. A subtle difference perhaps, but important, no? w Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39539 Re: DM4 packaging correction TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 6:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > Which leaves Goblins' Club of 6 years ago, which is also the last > 'proper' studio album I could remember... You are forgetting 'The Seven Letters from Tibet' (2000). Anyway it seems as if Edgar and Jerome have forgotten this album too, as they have never played live any track of it. Or did they play and everybody forgot? ;-) BTW, for Toby Braddick, I consider the track 'Lhasa' representative of the style of 'Seven Letters'. If you like 'Lhasa', probably you'll like 'Seven Letters' as well. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39553 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB From: Olav Neander Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fast sequences Synthhtnys@a... schrieb: >*I agree 100%. > Me too... >Stratosfear has Baumann's stamp all over it. >Yes, I think he's very underrated when it comes to sequencing. > > Check also the Mannheim tape, sounds like Bauman was very active in this concert, I think it also includes an early version of Baumann's 'Bicentennial Present' Olav http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis NP: Ricochet From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 7:51 pm Subject: After The Call! I often wonder why the modern TD dont open concerts with this GEM,we need more EF JF & PH numbers live,i was begging for one of my all time Favs at Astoria,ART OF VISION.Sublime. From: 'John Marchington' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 12:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DM4 packaging My sentiments exactly. I purchased KS's 'Cyborg' recently -- and there were broken teeth on tray #2 when the disc arrived, never mind any wear and tear with extracting and replacing the disc. I recently purchased Santana's 'Caravanserai' on SACD -- and was stunned to find it was in a digipak too! I also have a number of Deutsche Grammophon's of 20th century music (Pierre Boulez, Elliott Carter, Mauricio Kagel, Toru Takemitsu and others) and I can only hope that they won't self-destruct as well. The other thing I don't like about digipaks is that the trays tend to be shallower that those in jewel cases and, with my big mitts, I'm always worrying about scratching the discs when I remove them. (Interesting 'Caravanserai' has a deep tray, so this criticism doesn't apply to it) I assume that digipaks came about to reduce manufacturing costs. However, I would have thought that the cost of producing jewel cases by the zillions would be minimal anyway so I'm dubious about any real saving. Perhaps it's the printing and stapling of the liner notes and rear panel that makes the difference. Eliminate the digipaks, I say. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'dreamsector' To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:18 AM Subject: [tadream] DM4 packaging > I've been meaning to post this as just one small voice (e.g. one > opinion as an end user)... it's meant more for Martin than anyone else, > but may also apply to others out there... > > Before I continue let me again bring up the word: opinion! > > Listening to DM3 right now, and I really like the packaging and design > - in fact I like most of the work that Mr. Froese has done over the > years and specifically the TDI years. I think it suits the music well. > > However... > > As cool as the digipak concept is presentation-wise, it is not my > favorite thing in terms of practicality. It seems that the center piece > that holds the cd in place never lasts very long on those - especially > when it's clear plastic. A couple of the little teeth have broken off > on my DM3 and now the cd always falls out. Seems like it happens to all > my digipak cds and my copy of Shango, for example, is also actually > falling apart at the seams. > > If it was a regular jewel case I could just go out and buy another one, > but with the digipak I'm kind of stuck. > > So, for what it's worth, I would like to place a vote for a regular > jewel case for DM4. > > I guess I should also say that I treat my cds very nicely and it isn't > as if I was playing frisbee on the beach with it or something. > > :-) > > w > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39540 Re: DM4 packaging TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 3/7/2003 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 12:57 am Subject: OT: Reach 100s of fans Hello, This is not a scam or spam, just a special one-off promotion project that I have. I have a number of orders for a CD with JM Jarre remixes that I havent sent out yet. It's in the three figure range (between 100 and 999 orders, that is :-) and I would like to include a CDR as a free gift, as a surprise to the customers, with electronic music 'donated' to this promotion oppourtunity by artists. For this project I need songs. If you have music online that I can download, I can include it (them) on the CDR and it will mean free and no-hassle promotion to hundreds of electronic music fans. All you have to do it point me to the music. Of course you will be credited and get a web link to your other music. Many musicians already have their music for free download and these are whom I am targeting - now you can reach out to hundreds of music fans by just sending me your link. Of course, anyone else who normally dont give away their music online can join in to. I reserve the right to choose which tracks will be included on the CD. Short-ish tracks will be preferred, to give room to more artists. Please let me know asap if this is something you'd be interested in. Regards from Glenn Folkvord Owner, Hyperion Media - arts and media development glenn@f... From: Art Of Vision Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 9:28 am Subject: Outside the TD World Hi, I wanted to ask you about your musical interests outside TD. I mean, the music which is really different from the TD style (unlike AirSculpture RMI etc). That's because of two reasons: 1) After about two years of listening to ONLY TD some kind of breakthrough happened to me a couple of month ago and now my musical interests are extending very fast; however I still feel TD to be the best, but in completely different way. So I thought maybe you can recommend me something. 2) I wanted to know the attitude of other TD fans about this music I'm mostly listening to now, just for interest. So my new interests include: KMFDM Rammstein Sentenced Project Pitchfork Lacrimosa BTW I'd recommend the last one for all TD fans. Regards, ArtOfVision __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39541 Re: Outside the TD World TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 3/7/2003 3 KB 39574 Re: Outside the TD World Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 3/7/2003 3 KB 39542 Re: Outside the TD World Marko Marin rubyconist Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39543 Re: Outside the TD World Heiko Heerssen td_freak Fri 3/7/2003 3 KB 39545 Re: Outside the TD World braddito braddito Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39548 Re: Outside the TD World Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39549 Re: Outside the TD World David Wakefield bolosun Fri 3/7/2003 3 KB 39552 Re: Outside the TD World Pergamon pergamondk Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39636 Re: Outside the TD World PENFOLD penfold235 Sat 3/8/2003 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 9:26 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DM4 packaging correction At 17:24 06.03.03, you wrote: >I should have said 'request' not vote. A subtle difference perhaps, but >important, no? > >w > I will suggest your request the boss... ;-) I do think it will most probably be a Jewel Case for DM4. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 9:35 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DM4 packaging > >I assume that digipaks came about to reduce manufacturing costs. However, I >would have thought that the cost of producing jewel cases by the zillions >would be minimal anyway so I'm dubious about any real saving. Perhaps it's >the printing and stapling of the liner notes and rear panel that makes the >difference. > >Eliminate the digipaks, I say. *I think I have to correct you - a Digipac is almost twice as expensive as a Jewel Case in production. As far as I know, the Digipac was invented as a form of 'special' packaging that was intended to give the product encased a 'nobler' look - it was also intended to replicate the look and feel of the good ole´ vinyl sleeve in a way. While I do believe that a Digipac looks much better than a Jewel Case, I would agree with you on all accounts regarding the downsets. They wear out easily and you can´t replace the trays. There are a few all-cardboard packagings on the market now that are slightly more convenient while also retaining this 'vinyl packaging'-look, due to the fact that they don´t have trays that can break. The problem of them wearing out easily remains with these, though, too. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 9:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World OK, here we go... Martin´s musical favorites outside the TD world: - The Church - The Mission - Bauhaus / Peter Murphy / Tones on Tail - Japan - Fields of the Nephilim - All About Eve - Comsat Angels - Psychedelic Furs - The Cure - Depeche Mode - Peter Gabriel (and his works w. Genesis) - David Bowie - Bryan Ferry/ Roxy Music - Marillion (w. Fish) - Madness - Anathema and... most recently Porcupine Tree ('In Absentia' is a masterpiece IMO) ...and much more, of course... ;-) Jeez, gotta dive back into my piles of work now... Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39574 Re: Outside the TD World Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 3/7/2003 3 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 9:40 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World Steve Roach has a very ambient style and rarely reminds TD or others. Tough I've heard that his earlier albums are similar to TD and Schulze with all the sequences and stuff like that, today his style is very moody, dark and breezy. I have only two albums so I can recommend only them: The Live Archive (collection of very dark live pieces...) and Lost Pieces (contains rare tracks between 1988-1992 if I remember correctly). Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World TD still rules and over the last couple of years I have barely listen to anything else, but apart from them my turntable and CD player were blocked by: --Captain Beefheart --The Residents --MX-80 Sound --Comsat Angels --Ramones --Hüsker Dü --Dead Kennedys --Popol Vuh --Can --Amon Düül II --Van der Graaf Generator regards Heiko From: mrmorton@a... Date: Thu Mar 6, 2003 5:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD release schedule I don't have it here, so I don't know if the notes say it counts itself as a 'new' release or indicates something different, but '7 letters from Tibet'? From: 'braddito' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:06 am Subject: Re: Outside the TD World --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Art Of Vision wrote: > > I wanted to ask you about your musical interests > outside Life outside the TD world ? Not a lot of it if you exclude Schulze and Ashra. I do occasionally listen to Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, Hawkwind, Brand X, VDGG (+ Peter Hammill solo), Sensational Alex Harvey Band, Santana, Cream. Toby NP : TD Tokyo Koseinenkin Hall 23.06.83 PS I have LZ, PF, Yes and Genesis to trade for TD/KS From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:08 am Subject: Antwort: [tadream] Outside the TD World I am open to a lot of music styles (Jazz, Blues, Funk, Classic, Rock, Hard 'n' Heavy) and - Deep Purple - Blackmore's Night - Des Geyers schwarzer Haufen - Bad Company - Stievie Ray Vaughn - Wishbone Ash - Led Zepplein and the solo stuff - Pink Floyd - Pallas - IQ - Rory Gallagher - Miles Davis - Weather Report - Genesis - Marillion (Fish stuff) - Ludwig v. Beethoven (conducted by Karajan) - Neil Young - Many Stuff of Progessive Music Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards Edgar Rainer Berberich ------------------------------------------------------------- Über das Internet versandte E-mails können leicht verfälscht oder unter fremdem Namen erstellt werden. Demzufolge müssen wir zu Ihrer und unserer Sicherheit die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit der vorstehenden Erklärungen ausschließen. Der Versand von E-mail dient somit ausschließlich dem Informationsaustausch. Due to the fact that E-mails are prone to manipulation and can be misleading as to the identity of the sender, the foregoing statements and comments shall have no legal validity. This is for your own protection as well as ours. Thus, E-mails shall be sent for information purposes only. From: 'braddito' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:08 am Subject: TT3 artwork I've seen it, I know I have, but can I find it now I'm ready to roll ? Guidance would be gratefully received. Cheers Toby Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39550 Re: TT3 artwork Antonio Nunes ajogon Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39551 Re: TT3 artwork Heiko Heerssen td_freak Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39570 Re: TT3 artwork John Vertical omegatransfinito Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB From: Olav Neander Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:13 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World Art Of Vision schrieb: >So I thought maybe you can recommend me >something. > Here is my favourite non-Berlin School music list: Mike Oldfield Depeche Mode The Pogues Milladoiro Premiata Forneria Marconi Rick Wakeman's 70s stuff SBB Best regards, Olav Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 From: 'David Wakefield' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Outside the TD World What don't I listen to? I have Marilyn Manson, Neil Diamond, Abba, Ac/Dc, IQ, Patric Moraz, Blondie, George Thorrogood, Eva Cassidy, The Police, Deep Purple, Prince, Jeff Beck, Soundgarden and the list goes on and on. -------Original Message------- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 07 March 2003 10:06:59 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Outside the TD World --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Art Of Vision wrote: > > I wanted to ask you about your musical interests > outside Life outside the TD world ? Not a lot of it if you exclude Schulze and Ashra. I do occasionally listen to Led Zep, Pink Floyd, Yes, Genesis, Hawkwind, Brand X, VDGG (+ Peter Hammill solo), Sensational Alex Harvey Band, Santana, Cream. Toby NP : TD Tokyo Koseinenkin Hall 23.06.83 PS I have LZ, PF, Yes and Genesis to trade for TD/KS ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 artwork 'braddito' wrote: > I've seen it, I know I have, but can I find it now I'm ready to roll ? > > Guidance would be gratefully received. Go to http://tdtree.blackaxis.co.uk/tt3.htm Antonio Nunes From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 artwork > I've seen it, I know I have, but can I find it now I'm ready to roll ? http://tdtree.blackaxis.co.uk/tt3.htm From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World Infected Mushroom X-Dream Astrix Astral Projection Audio Science FSOL Orbital Enya Enigma Lorenna Mckennitt Toy Dolls Joy Division Dead Can Dance Depeche Mode Nitzer Ebb Kraftwerk Mozart Mike Oldfield John Serrie Vivaldi Bach Selecter The Beat Specials The Prisoners Secret Affairs And lots more...............=O) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39636 Re: Outside the TD World PENFOLD penfold235 Sat 3/8/2003 3 KB From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD release schedule On 6 Mar 2003 at 18:06, Antonio Nunes wrote: > You are forgetting 'The Seven Letters from Tibet' (2000). Anyway it > seems as if Edgar and Jerome have forgotten this album too, as they > have never played live any track of it. Or did they play and everybody > forgot? ;-) I love the Seven Letters, but I didn't forget it...TD and TDI specified from the beginning that this was not to be considered part of the TD studio canon. I was looking for the last studio album that was actually announced as such. Dennis From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD release schedule On 6 Mar 2003 at 16:14, jjank@w... wrote: > I am the same way interested in classics releases, live albums and the > so called 'proper' releases. And I can't see a soundtrack as something > 'improper': isn't the difference to a regular record only the source > of inspiration? Yes, but I get the impression that this can sometimes be a very important difference. Soundtracks are created instrumentally and specifically to score a film or other visual source and are therefore unlikely to reflect as much of the band's intrinsic motivation and creativity as a 'normal' studio release. One could argue, of course, that those, too, are inspired by something, but it tends to be more diffuse. This is not to say there's anything improper about soundtracks or remixes. I'm just curious about how today's TD would sound if they weren't concentrating specifically on doing a 'soundtrack to X' or a 'remix of Y'. Antonio is probably correct in saying that the Seven Letters from Tibet come closest to this, but even then the 'Tibetan cycle' has a more finite set of visible inspirations than traditional studio releases like Phaedra, Stratosfear, Hyperborea, or even Optical Race. Dennis From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:57 am Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > I love the Seven Letters, but I didn't forget it...TD and TDI specified > from the beginning that this was not to be considered part of the TD > studio canon. I was looking for the last studio album that was actually > announced as such. Well, the official TD website says this about 7 Letters: 'New studio material by electronic legend Tangerine Dream Reveals a different, more intimate side of the band' http://www.tangerinedream.org/mod.php?mod=gallery&op=media&media_id=96 Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39563 Re: TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39575 Re: TD release schedule Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 11:33 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World Ah, that would be Joe Satriani Stevie Ray Vaughan The Can / Holger Czukay Robben Ford Paco de Lucia Sergio and Odair Assad Aziza Mustafa Zadeh (the first three albums, but live always good) John Coltrane Joe Pass Joe Pass ah, yes, and Joe Pass Dave Brubeck Thelonius Monk Eric Satie Ludwig van Beethoven well, Mozart and Bach are always on the list. We wouldn't have that much music otherwise John Cage Karlheinz 'you know who' ('Mantra' is still my favourite) and Schulze, of course Armin Art Of Vision wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to ask you about your musical interests > outside TD. I mean, the music > which is really different from the TD style (unlike > AirSculpture RMI etc). > That's because of two reasons: > > 1) After about two years of listening to ONLY TD some > kind of breakthrough > happened to me a couple of month ago and now my > musical interests > are extending very fast; however I still feel TD to be > the best, but in completely > different way. So I thought maybe you can recommend me > something. > > 2) I wanted to know the attitude of other TD fans > about this music I'm > mostly listening to now, just for interest. > > So my new interests include: > > KMFDM > Rammstein > Sentenced > Project Pitchfork > Lacrimosa > > BTW I'd recommend the last one for all TD fans. > > Regards, > ArtOfVision > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39557 Re: Outside the TD World Robert Asmus plastics67 Fri 3/7/2003 5 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 11:49 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Outside the TD World Well that would be: Robin Trower Joe Satriani Llewelyn Ozric Tentacles Ashra Temple Hawkind Trance Music Good Blues Music And of course Southern Rock Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: ath@d... [mailto:ath@d...] On Behalf Of Armin Theissen Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 6:34 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World Ah, that would be Joe Satriani Stevie Ray Vaughan The Can / Holger Czukay Robben Ford Paco de Lucia Sergio and Odair Assad Aziza Mustafa Zadeh (the first three albums, but live always good) John Coltrane Joe Pass Joe Pass ah, yes, and Joe Pass Dave Brubeck Thelonius Monk Eric Satie Ludwig van Beethoven well, Mozart and Bach are always on the list. We wouldn't have that much music otherwise John Cage Karlheinz 'you know who' ('Mantra' is still my favourite) and Schulze, of course Armin Art Of Vision wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to ask you about your musical interests > outside TD. I mean, the music > which is really different from the TD style (unlike > AirSculpture RMI etc). > That's because of two reasons: > > 1) After about two years of listening to ONLY TD some > kind of breakthrough > happened to me a couple of month ago and now my > musical interests > are extending very fast; however I still feel TD to be > the best, but in completely > different way. So I thought maybe you can recommend me > something. > > 2) I wanted to know the attitude of other TD fans > about this music I'm > mostly listening to now, just for interest. > > So my new interests include: > > KMFDM > Rammstein > Sentenced > Project Pitchfork > Lacrimosa > > BTW I'd recommend the last one for all TD fans. > > Regards, > ArtOfVision > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 11:54 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World On 7 Mar 2003 at 1:28, Art Of Vision wrote: > I wanted to ask you about your musical interests > outside TD. I mean, the music > which is really different from the TD style (unlike > AirSculpture RMI etc). Not sure how one can appreciate TD without listening to anything else...apart from a variety of classical and medieval music (which is a wonderful thing to listen to), my tastes over the last few years have involved Jethro Tull, Tori Amos, Frank Black, They Might Be Giants, PJ Harvey and a smattering of a few others. Don't trust anyone without a good mixture of interests, musical and otherwise...:-) Dennis From: herold.u@t... Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 12:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World OK - there are: >Yes >Jethro Tull >Gov't Mule >Can >Amon Düül >Embryo >Neu! >Kraan >Ash Ra Temple >Faust >Lynyrd Skynyrd >Allman Brothers >Telemann >>>and many others ...... Dream on, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Art Of Vision' To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 10:28 AM Subject: [tadream] Outside the TD World > Hi, > > I wanted to ask you about your musical interests > outside TD. I mean, the music > which is really different from the TD style (unlike > AirSculpture RMI etc). > That's because of two reasons: > > 1) After about two years of listening to ONLY TD some > kind of breakthrough > happened to me a couple of month ago and now my > musical interests > are extending very fast; however I still feel TD to be > the best, but in completely > different way. So I thought maybe you can recommend me > something. > > 2) I wanted to know the attitude of other TD fans > about this music I'm > mostly listening to now, just for interest. > > So my new interests include: > > KMFDM > Rammstein > Sentenced > Project Pitchfork > Lacrimosa > > BTW I'd recommend the last one for all TD fans. > > Regards, > ArtOfVision > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'billythefish01' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 1:29 pm Subject: Re: Astoria Photos These are almost exactly the views I was getting. You must have been standing just to my left! BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'creative_operator ' wrote: > Photos uploaded to the 'Photos' area of the Tadream Group. > > Enjoy > Derek From: Stefan Brenner Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 9:34 am Subject: I Still haven´t found Hi all you out there!!! I have a problem, i hade the movie Shy people on video. But my VCR destroyd it :( I´m now looking for it on a VCD, can some one help me. Contact me of the list. 'And some other movies' Regards Stefan from Sweden _____________________________________________________ Gå före i kön och få din sajt värderad på nolltid med Yahoo! Express Se mer på: http://se.docs.yahoo.com/info/express/help/index.html From: Benny Rönnhager Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 8:16 am Subject: Paul Lawler email address? Hi dear list? I wonder if someone can help me get the email address to Paul Lawler, the Arcane man? Best regards Benny From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 1:54 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] TD release schedule On 7 Mar 2003 at 10:57, Antonio Nunes wrote: > Well, the official TD website says this about 7 Letters: > 'New studio material by electronic legend Tangerine Dream > Reveals a different, more intimate side of the band' I'm not disagreeing with you here! I'd love to think of 7 Letters as the new direction of studio TD, and the album is definitely more a studio album than anything else. But I remember reading on several occasions (please don't ask me to reference sources, I honestly can't remember) that it wasn't to be considered part of the overarching development of TD. It was seen as an experiment or excursion, similar to Inferno. Dennis Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39575 Re: TD release schedule Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 2:01 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #311 for March 6, 2003 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #311 March 6, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I started a month-long focus on Spacecraft, a spacemusic group originally inspired the the Voyager space probe. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Spacecraft' on the Lektronic Soundscapes label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Forever Blowing Bubbles' by Clearlight on Virgin Records. I played the music of vidnaObmana who will play at the next Soundscapes in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on April 19. I also played the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson and Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Co. who will be at upcoming Gatherings in Philadelphia in April and May. Spacecraft http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#mar The Soundscapes Concert Series http://soundscapes.us The Gathering Concert Series http://thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Clearlight Without Words Forever Blowing Bubbles (Virgin) Mother Mallard's Train 1970-1973 (Cuneiform) Portable Masterpiece Co. vidnaObmana and The Fall The Oblique Fusion (none) Joris De Backer Vir Unis and Continuous Prehistory 1 Perimeter (In the Bubble Music James Johnson and Zero Music) Vir Unis and Continuous Prehistory 2 Perimeter (In the Bubble Music James Johnson and Zero Music) Larry Kucharz CyberDusk CyberChoralColors (International Audiochrome) Stars of the Lid Mullholland The Tired Sounds of the Stars of the Lid (Kranky) Harold Grasskopf Sea of Tranquility Digital Nomad (AMP) 12:00 am Spacecraft Planetary Orbit Spacecraft (Lektronic Sndscps) Spacecraft Zero, One Spacecraft (Lektronic Sndscps) Spacecraft Topo Scan Spacecraft (Lektronic Sndscps) Spacecraft Transmission Spacecraft (Lektronic Sndscps) Spacecraft Voyager One Spacecraft (Lektronic Sndscps) Spacecraft Satellite Dispatch Spacecraft (Lektronic Sndscps) Spacecraft Destination: Infinity Spacecraft (Lektronic Sndscps) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on Spacecraft. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Hummel' on the Lektronic Soundscapes label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Between Contemplation,' an LP put out by the German radio show 'Between' on Wero Records. I will also play the music of vidnaObmana, Vir Unis, and James Johnson who will be appearing at local concerts in April. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: tadreaming@c... Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 2:07 pm Subject: Re: Outside the world of Tangerine Dream Hello, I listen to: Klaus Schulze Alio Die vidnaObmana Patrick O'Hearn Steve Roach Robert Rich Vir Unis Jeff Greinke Shinjuku Thief/Filth/Darrin Verhagen Vangelis Ashra Roedelius/Moebius/Cluster Conrad Schnitzler Pink Floyd Yes/Jon Anderson Genesis/Hackett/Gabriel/Ant Phillips Van Der Graaf Generator ELP Tim Story Jonn Serrie Grobschnitt Stan Ridgway Wall Of Voodoo Police Devo Bee Gees Fleetwood Mac Deep Purple Black Sabbath/Ozzy Iron Maiden Rippingtons Jon Anderson Enya King Crimson/Fripp California Guitar Trio Beatles Trace Triumvirat Jean Michel Jarre On and On... Love all the music Martyn Capel [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 2:21 pm Subject: re digipackaging a work around for digipackaging is a thin sheet of cardboard and a rubber band--certainly not attractive, but it 'preserves' the cover and your discs won't fall out.....until you try to open it. heh! _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 2:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World >Steve Roach has a very ambient style and rarely >reminds TD or others. Tough I've heard that his >earlier albums are similar to TD and Schulze with all >the sequences and stuff like that, today his style is >very moody, dark and breezy. I have only two albums so >I can recommend only them: The Live Archive >(collection of very dark live pieces...) and Lost >Pieces (contains rare tracks between 1988-1992 if I >remember correctly). > >Regards, >Marko Marin The bands mr. Art of Vision listed were mostly unknown to me (with the exception of Rammstein), but I have on a sampler a great Steve Roach track called Growth Sequence - I find it remarkably similar to Silver Scale, so it must be one of those earlier ones. My musical taste covers mainly, but not only, instrumental music. Here's some non-electronic artists I like (In order of diminishing interest): -Pekka Pohjola, a Finnish bassist who composes excellent jazzy-symphonic-progressive-instrumental-rock, or, as he calls it, 'heavy jazz'. About the only reason I like TD slightly better than him is that TD has more material. ;-) -The not-so-drasticly minimalistic works of Philip Glass... do I need to introduce him? -Zodiak, an underground disco-rock band from the 80s Soviet Union -Mike Oldfield... or wait, he doesn't qualify as 'different', does he? -Kimmo Pohjonen, an avant garde accordion artist -Hector -Le Ormé -Wishborne Ash -Maria Kalaniemi -Juice Leskinen John Vertical np: Pekka Pohjola - Urban Caravan (love the guitar solo!) (oh, and Marko, the spelling is 'though' with two h's) _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39618 Re: Outside the TD World artofvision01 artofvision01 Sat 3/8/2003 2 KB 39679 Re: Outside the TD World TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Mon 3/10/2003 3 KB From: Marion Horrod Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 2:30 pm Subject: Re: Outside the TD World You asked for it! (Groupings are purely subjective.) Mozart, Bach, Teleman, Vivaldi, medieval plainsong Led Zeppelin, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Captain Beefheart, Page & Plant, Peter Gabriel, Pink Floyd, The Doors Ry Cooder, JJ Cale, Tom Paxton, Lonnie Donegan, The Dubliners World music, particularly African and Arabic Shamen, Leftfield, Aphex Twin, early techno ... and my guilty secret, The Pet Shop Boys. That just about describes the third of my CDs that aren't EM. LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39577 Re: Outside the TD World Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 3/7/2003 3 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 2:34 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] TD release schedule Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > I'm not disagreeing with you here! I'd love to think of 7 Letters as the > new direction of studio TD, and the album is definitely more a studio > album than anything else. But I remember reading on several > occasions (please don't ask me to reference sources, I honestly can't > remember) that it wasn't to be considered part of the overarching > development of TD. It was seen as an experiment or excursion, similar > to Inferno. Yes, I remember reading something like that too. But, there were other albums in the past also seen as experiments. I'm thinking of 'Green Desert' which was such an experiment that they decided not to release it at the time, or 'Cyclone' which they seem to consider an unsuccessful experiment (not for me, I like Cyclone a lot), or of course 'Inferno', as you mention. Antonio Nunes From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 2:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 artwork While we're on the topic: What is that apparatus in the left edge of the vol. 19 liner middle opening picture supposed to be? It looks like a 2nd Chris Franke head to me...!? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 2:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World Apart from Berlin School and various electronic music (which makes about 90 % of all what I am listening to) it would be: Mike Oldfield Philip Glass Marillion (with Fish) Some black metal stuff (like for example Cradle of Filth) Movie Soundtracks (mainly James Horner) Greetings Michal Moroz From: Stefan Brenner Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World Die hard electronicmusic fan, i am :) Avant garde (Sweden) Die Form Covenant (Sweden) R Lundsten Old_field Kitaro Nova V/S Peru Mobile Homes (Sweden) Neu And many more Electronica, EBM, SynthPOP, in diffrent way.. Stefan _____________________________________________________ Gå före i kön och få din sajt värderad på nolltid med Yahoo! Express Se mer på: http://se.docs.yahoo.com/info/express/help/index.html From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:11 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Outside the TD World Hi This is a huge topic! and no doubt the members of the group will be listing thousands of musical references so I thought I'd add my comments too.......Lets face it however big a fan of any group you are you can't listen to only them 24/7 you'd go mad! 1) Probably my most influential 'early' works were: TD-Ricochet Vangelis-China Kraftwerk-The Man Machine / Trans Europe Express Jean Michel Jarre- Equinoxe / Oxygene Depeche Mode- A Broken Frame Pink Floyd-Dark Side of the Moon Tubeway Army-Are Friends Electric? (single) The Police-Regatta De Blanc From this lot onwards I have enjoyed all the styles of EM from Ambient, pure EM, German Techno, dance through to Industrial I must admit to having swerved away from pure EM for a few years as I felt the market was bland compared to what many unusual dance / ambient groups were coming up with, but I have come full circle again enjoying things that Mark Shreeve is coming up with under the guise of Redshift If I had to list non TD like faves, off the top of my head they may include: Steve Roach Orbital Global Communication Chicane Time Modem Intermix (aka Delerium / Front Line Assembly etc) TALLA 2XLC DJ Taucher Severed Heads New Musik Mark Dwane Bent Neuronium Abfahrt hinwil Lackluster Hardcorps Royksopp Blue States Most recent find is an album called Instinct by Mandalay - lush! A more comprehensive list of faves can be found on my website http://www.hypnoticbeats.co.uk/ 2) Re your list I've only heard of KMFDM & Project Pitchfork - isn't that industrial ?? Look forward to other members lists! Mat -----Original Message----- From: Art Of Vision [mailto:artofvision01@y...] Sent: 07 March 2003 09:28 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Outside the TD World Hi, I wanted to ask you about your musical interests outside TD. I mean, the music which is really different from the TD style (unlike AirSculpture RMI etc). That's because of two reasons: 1) After about two years of listening to ONLY TD some kind of breakthrough happened to me a couple of month ago and now my musical interests are extending very fast; however I still feel TD to be the best, but in completely different way. So I thought maybe you can recommend me something. 2) I wanted to know the attitude of other TD fans about this music I'm mostly listening to now, just for interest. So my new interests include: KMFDM Rammstein Sentenced Project Pitchfork Lacrimosa BTW I'd recommend the last one for all TD fans. Regards, ArtOfVision __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39617 Re: Outside the TD World artofvision01 artofvision01 Sat 3/8/2003 2 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 3:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World Martin, I'm glad someone else remembers how wonderful Madness were/are. Any chance you can persuade E & J to cover 'One Step Beyond'? -Edgar could do the shout-out and Jerome could do the Madness 'knees-up' dance (I can' remember what it's called!).... Ask them - you never know!!!?! Cheers! Grewupinthe1980sjonnyboy --- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > OK, here we go... > > Martin´s musical favorites outside the TD world: > - The Church > - The Mission > - Bauhaus / Peter Murphy / Tones on Tail > - Japan > - Fields of the Nephilim > - All About Eve > - Comsat Angels > - Psychedelic Furs > - The Cure > - Depeche Mode > - Peter Gabriel (and his works w. Genesis) > - David Bowie > - Bryan Ferry/ Roxy Music > - Marillion (w. Fish) > - Madness > - Anathema > and... most recently Porcupine Tree ('In Absentia' > is a masterpiece IMO) > > ...and much more, of course... ;-) > > Jeez, gotta dive back into my piles of work now... > > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 3:38 pm Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] TD release schedule Speaking of Inferno. When is the next part of the trilog coming out? --- Dennis Nigbur wrote: > It was seen as an experiment or > excursion, similar > to Inferno. > > Dennis > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 2:54 pm Subject: Re: Outside the TD World Okay, been in lurk mode for too long, so here's my list... Art of Noise The Beatles Ian Boddy Clannad ELP (up to 'Brain Salad Surgery') Enya Jean Michel Jarre Kraftwerk Paul Lawler New Order Gary Numan (1980 only) and Tubeway Army Mike Oldfield The Orb Pet Shop Boys Andy pickford Pink Floyd Propaganda REM Mark Shreeve The Stranglers Vangelis Plus Holst's 'The Planets' - a piece of music that is absolutely brilliant - sounds like music composed by our current EM performers but simply orchestrated - recommended even if you're not a fan of classical music PLUS... The UK's 'Classic FM' is actually really easy to listen to, and to enjoy, and if you have the UK's Sky satellite, there are some interesting videos on Classic FM TV, many of them wouldn't be amiss as New Age or electronic. Dislikes? Shall I be controversial? Risk the wrath of Schulze fans? Okay then... Sorry, but I find his music too repetitive, directionless and lacking in melody. And when he does come up with a tune - Der Optimismus from 'Trailer', which my wife really likes, we suddenly discover it's been cribbed from somewhere else - in this case, Chopin's 'Ballad for Piano No.1 in G minor, B66/op.23'. Getting the firehose ready... ;-) Roger Hartopp --------------r-e-k-l-a-m-a----------------- Szukasz banku bez prowizji ? mBank - zaloz konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39578 Re: Outside the TD World billythefish01 billythefish01 Fri 3/7/2003 3 KB 39580 Re: Outside the TD World Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Fri 3/7/2003 3 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 3:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Outside the TD World I can't resist: Frank Zappa w/ and w/out Mothers Of Invention Depeche Mode Iron Maiden (Rock In Rio got me back into them after 10 years away) Coldplay The Music Corporation Blend Tool Blur & Gorillaz Ash David Bowie Pink Floyd Kate Bush The Who (why Pete why?!) Genesis / Peter Gabriel (f**kin bald hippy I am) Manic Street Preachers Ian Dury & The Blockheads Supergrass (gonna see them on Sunday) Coral etc etc etc And Marion, 'I Want To Wake Up' from 'Actually' is a masterpiece - as is that whole album. Cherrrrrrrssssss! Jonnyboy. --- Marion Horrod wrote: > You asked for it! > (Groupings are purely subjective.) > > Mozart, Bach, Teleman, Vivaldi, medieval plainsong > Led Zeppelin, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Captain > Beefheart, Page & Plant, Peter > Gabriel, Pink Floyd, The Doors > Ry Cooder, JJ Cale, Tom Paxton, Lonnie Donegan, The > Dubliners > World music, particularly African and Arabic > Shamen, Leftfield, Aphex Twin, early techno > ... and my guilty secret, The Pet Shop Boys. > > That just about describes the third of my CDs that > aren't EM. > > LnH > > Marion > > 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's > twice the size it needs > to be ...' S. Blakemore > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'billythefish01' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 4:11 pm Subject: Re: Outside the TD World I too am not a great fan of KS - although I have most of the albums. Although they vary in terms of the actual sequences and intonation, they all appear to be the same chord sequences and overall structure, with a few exceptions (Audentity for example). This sort of thing is nice to listen to until the first key change, and then I get fatigue. What do I like? In order of preference: Cocteau Twins Aphex Twin Future Sound of London / Amorphous Androgynous Plaid / Black Dog Banco de Gaia Ozric Tentacles / Eat Static The Orb Orbital William Orbit (O is one of my favourite parts of HMV) Hector Zazou Cabaret Voltaire / Richard H. Kirk Pink Floyd Sven Vath Soft Machine and many others that I will later wish I have mentioned... BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Roger Hartopp' wrote: > Okay, been in lurk mode for too long, so here's my list... > Dislikes? Shall I be controversial? Risk the wrath of Schulze fans? Okay then... > > Sorry, but I find his music too repetitive, directionless and lacking in melody. And when he does come up with a tune - Der Optimismus from 'Trailer', which my wife really likes, we suddenly discover it's been cribbed from somewhere else - in this case, Chopin's 'Ballad for Piano No.1 in G minor, B66/op.23'. > > Getting the firehose ready... ;-) > > Roger Hartopp > > > > --------------r-e-k-l-a-m-a----------------- > > Szukasz banku bez prowizji ? > mBank - zaloz konto > http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 5:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Madness And change the cool sax to the alien seagull-sound.....=O)... Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Jonathan Holt' To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:37 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World > Martin, > > I'm glad someone else remembers how wonderful Madness > were/are. Any chance you can persuade E & J to cover > 'One Step Beyond'? -Edgar could do the shout-out and > Jerome could do the Madness 'knees-up' dance (I can' > remember what it's called!).... Ask them - you never > know!!!?! > > > Cheers! > Grewupinthe1980sjonnyboy > > > --- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak > wrote: > OK, here we go... > > > > Martin´s musical favorites outside the TD world: > > - The Church > > - The Mission > > - Bauhaus / Peter Murphy / Tones on Tail > > - Japan > > - Fields of the Nephilim > > - All About Eve > > - Comsat Angels > > - Psychedelic Furs > > - The Cure > > - Depeche Mode > > - Peter Gabriel (and his works w. Genesis) > > - David Bowie > > - Bryan Ferry/ Roxy Music > > - Marillion (w. Fish) > > - Madness > > - Anathema > > and... most recently Porcupine Tree ('In Absentia' > > is a masterpiece IMO) > > > > ...and much more, of course... ;-) > > > > Jeez, gotta dive back into my piles of work now... > > > > > > > > Best regards, > > > > Martin Kasprzak > > TDI- Music- Support. > > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > > > Visit our Website at: > > > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > > removed] > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ______________________________________________________________________ > Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39581 Re: Madness Pergamon pergamondk Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB From: 'Sean Montgomery' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 5:13 pm Subject: Re: Outside the TD World I guess I'm something of an anomaly here, in that I really don't listen to other bands in the 'progressive rock' or 'Berlin School' categories. Not that I don't like them though...I have very broad tastes in music. Ultimately, I've always been more interested in songs than in artists. Most of the CDs I listen to are compilations, as very few bands produce CDS that I'm interested in listening to straight through. But anyway...time to share my dirty laundry. Here are a few musical artists that I enjoy listening to right now: The Flaming Lips Coldplay (although constant radio play is ruining the song 'Clocks' for me) Ladytron Moby Saint Etienne Thievery Corporation Beck Massive Attack (except for their new album, which is boring!) The Avalanches The Chemical Brothers Orbital Sigur Ros David Bowie DJ Shadow Cocteau Twins The Magnetic Fields New Order 80s retro in general - everything from the Pretenders to The Pixies to The Smiths to The Human League. From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Madness Ooops, or was it Night Boat to Cairo, I am thinking of....... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Pergamon' > And change the cool sax to the alien seagull-sound.....=O)... > > Jan > From: 'bert_hulshoff' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Outside the TD World My Life outside the TD world ? Well I like: Schulze Ashra. Grobschnitt Eloy Hawkwind Black Sabbath Uriah Heep Porcupine Tree Led Zeppelin Omega Novalis Genesis with Peter Gabriel The Flower Kings Groeten Bert From: 'fozziebear' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 6:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD release schedule Jonathan Holt said Speaking of Inferno. When is the next part of the trilog coming out? Yep, I want to hear it and see the show. TD please perform it in UK David From: 'fozziebear' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 6:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] : Outside the TD World In no particular order: Fashion Moby Scritti Politti Klaus Schulze David Bowie Roxy Music Marcella Detroit Patti Smith Reinhard Lakomy Adrian Wagner Navigator Pond You Neil Young ZZ Top Dead or Alive ELP Tranquility Baroque stuff generally Gregorian chant generally David np Heritage Survival Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39587 Re: : Outside the TD World Antonio Nunes ajogon Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39625 Re: : Outside the TD World Jorge Figueiredo jorgefig66 Sat 3/8/2003 3 KB From: Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 6:54 pm Subject: Re: Re: Re: [tadream] TD release schedule .... what about this view: the (so-called) 'experiments' have always been a part of the nature of the group - so no need to see them 'off-road'. On the contrary: no development without experiments. Jörg tadream@yahoogroups.com schrieb am 07.03.03 15:35:00: > > > Dennis Nigbur wrote: > > > > I'm not disagreeing with you here! I'd love to think of 7 Letters as the > > new direction of studio TD, and the album is definitely more a studio > > album than anything else. But I remember reading on several > > occasions (please don't ask me to reference sources, I honestly can't > > remember) that it wasn't to be considered part of the overarching > > development of TD. It was seen as an experiment or excursion, similar > > to Inferno. > > > Yes, I remember reading something like that too. But, there were other albums in the past also seen as experiments. I'm thinking of 'Green Desert' which was such an experiment that they decided not to release it at the time, or 'Cyclone' which they seem to consider an unsuccessful experiment (not for me, I like Cyclone a lot), or of course 'Inferno', as you mention. > > Antonio Nunes > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________________ Bequemer und billiger - SMS mit FreeMail verschicken! Mehr Information unter: http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021147 From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:59 pm Subject: Outside the TD World What good disciplined fans we are, doing a free market study for TDI! :) As far as I'm concerned, main bands/composers other than TD that get the most plays are Orbital, Garbage, Toru Takemitsu, Philip Glass and a bit of Berg and Mike Oldfield Then, a bit of Jarre, Satriani, Moby, Vangelis, Enya, Pink Floyd, Ashra, Glenn Branca, Alan Parsons or Ryuichi Sakamoto don't hurt. And of course, as he's no longer in TD, let's not forget Chris Franke. :) Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 7:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] : Outside the TD World By alphabetical order: Arcane / Max Van Richter Beethoven Delerium (up to the album 'Semantic Spaces') Enigma Enya Eric Snelders Free System Projekt Jean Michel Jarre John Dyson / Wavestar Kitaro Kraftwerk Mike Andrews Mike Oldfield Mind Over Matter Nova / Peru Patrick O'Hearn Peter Mergener / Software Pink Floyd Pyramid Peak Rainbow Serpent Redshift Rick Wakeman (albums from the 70's) Robert Fox Under The Dome Vangelis --Antonio Nunes From: Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 8:11 pm Subject: RE: Outside the TD World Is there really Life OUTSIDE the World of TD? Well, lets see: Airsculpture Ash Ra Temple Beatles Big Bad Voodoo Daddy Bond (The Female String Quartet) Michael Card Clapton!!! Phil Collins Deep Forest Constance Demby Eiffel 65 Enigma Falco Bela Fleck & the Flecktones Chris Franke Frankie Goes to Hollywood Pater Gabriel Genesis David Gilmour Steve Hackett Etta James JMJ Jethro Tull Elton John Billy Joel Steve Jolliffe Diana Krull David Lanz Herbie MannMars Lasar Max Lasser's Ark Mannheim Steanroller Moodswings Van Morrison Mike Oldfield Orb Alan Parsons P!NK Pink Floyd Elvis SRV Rush Santana Scatman John Schmoelling KS Paul Schwartz Brian Setzer Orchestra Spies Sweetbottom Van Halen Vanessa-Mae Tom Waits Rick Wakeman Joe Walsh Roger Waters Wavestar The Who George Winston Yes So, I guess that just about covers it. Apart for the Classical, which is another list all together, and the odd ball recording here and there. Does this count as having a world outside of TD? Thanks In God's Love Neal 'You can't take it with you - but you CAN send it on ahead - Give.' Pastor Tom Mullins From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 8:24 pm Subject: Schulze Dislikes? Shall I be controversial? Risk the wrath of Schulze fans? Okay then... Sorry, but I find his music too repetitive, directionless and lacking in melody. Totally agree with you Roger I have always found his music boring. I am glad I am not the only one here who dislikes his music. Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39590 Re: Schulze Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB 39605 Re: Schulze Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sat 3/8/2003 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 8:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Schulze Have you guys tried the Darkside of the Moog series or Are You Sequenced? THE HIGHLANDER aka a Klaus Schulze fan At 08:24 PM 3/7/03 -0000, you wrote: >Dislikes? Shall I be controversial? Risk the wrath of Schulze fans? >Okay then... > >Sorry, but I find his music too repetitive, directionless and lacking >in >melody. > >Totally agree with you Roger I have always found his music boring. >I am glad I am not the only one here who dislikes his music. > >Gary From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 8:39 pm Subject: Re Outside the TD world 90% of my listening is some kind of Electronic music which I won't mention here you can check out my website for that and get me over 1000 hits just 5 to go lol. Although over the years I have built a large collection of CD's there is a lot I never play any more so my list is small. Chris Rea Gerry Rafferty David Gray Madonna Ozric Tentacles (just discovered them)Thanks to Colin. Cheers Gary www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk From: David Butler Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 8:52 pm Subject: Latest Thread While I used to post a bit more to this list than I do now, this topic peaked my interest. 'What do you listen to other than TD'? Everyones musical choices are somewhat alike. Thanks to Martyn for listing King Crimson, I thought I was the only one who actually liked them. Seeing Robert Fripp and Adrian Belew play live must be experienced. They actually play their instruments, rather than getting on stage and starting the hard disc. Now I don't want to get off on a rant here. Another thanks to Roger for listing Art of Noise. I remember the days when I had over 700 CD's to listen to, but those days are gone. I have a crappy sounding, barely working AM radio in my truck, and you don't hear much TD on AM radio. I still have a few CD's and the one that I listen to the most is the soundtrack to the original Star Wars. Another CD that I really enjoy is Icehouse, Measure for Measure. I would be listening to more TD, but my collection is now limited to about 4 CD's and a few fantapes that sound really bad. Someone was supposed to send me...blah blah blah. Okay I'm done....David __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39604 Re: Latest Thread Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sat 3/8/2003 2 KB From: David Butler Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 9:35 pm Subject: Other ravings... 'I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. A virus. 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Pergamon pergamondk Sat 3/8/2003 4 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:07 pm Subject: DSOM (was: Schulze) The entire Dark Side of the Moog series KICKS ASS! Pete Namlook has a GREAT sense of ambience. Mixed with Klaus' Moog sounds and melodies, there's no stopping them. Bill Lasswell lends a hand on several of the albums as well. If you want a '70's' style sequencer fest with modern sound quality, some nice innovative percussion, and even a little 'groove', check out the first track on DSOM 9 (the latest in the series). Turn out the lights, turn up the volume, and take a 20 minute ride through this mellow, evocative soundscape. It's full of rich moog sounds, spacey reverb effects, groovin'-yet-unobtrusive beats. My pulse rises when that sequencer line comes to the front. And when I finally hear that thick Moog 'trumpet cry' at the end, I'm thinking 'was it as good for you as it was for me...?' All I can say is, check it out. This is anything but repetitive and directionless. I consider this one of the best pieces of electronic music in the old 'Berlin School' style since Ricochet! > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Grabowsky [mailto:hghlndr@t...] > > Have you guys tried the Darkside of the Moog series or Are > You Sequenced? > > At 08:24 PM 3/7/03 -0000, you wrote: > > > >Totally agree with you Roger I have always found his music boring. > >I am glad I am not the only one here who dislikes his music. > > > >Gary Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39597 Re: DSOM (was: Schulze) Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Fri 3/7/2003 2 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:26 pm Subject: Outside The TD World Hello All Theres so many bands that have given me listening pleasure over the years,but TD are of course my number one.Heres a list of personal favorites. Ozric Tentacles Rainbow Serpent Steve Hillage(System 7) Hawkwind Keith Emerson(ELP) Mark Jenkins Don Van Vliet(Captain Beefheart)Big Eyed Beans From Venus. Frank Zappa Orbital Patrick Moraz Robert Fripp(King Crimson) Yes(The Gates Of Delirium) Kraftwerk Chuck Van Zyl Theres so many more,but these are favs. Best regards Colin. Pink Floyd(Ummagumma) From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:33 pm Subject: Outside The TD World(again). How could i possibly forget the great Welsh Psychodelic rockers MAN. Awesome band. From: Eric Williamson Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 10:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] DSOM (was: Schulze) Quoting 'Owens, James' : > The entire Dark Side of the Moog series KICKS ASS! i agree. pete/vs/klaus and redshift seem to be doing a very good job of realising the spirit of the 70s teutonic-textural music within the context of the 21st century. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 11:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World In a message dated 3/7/03 4:28:42 AM, artofvision01@y... writes: >So my new interests include: > >KMFDM >Rammstein >Sentenced >Project Pitchfork >Lacrimosa Project Pitchfork! Yes! They're an outstanding band. Their recent trilogy ('Inferno,' 'View from a Throne,' 'Trialog') is a brilliant work, although it took a while for me to realize it. Even so, I might still like 'Daimonion' better. Can't go wrong with them. As for the other stuff I listen to, some of my all-time favorite bands include Dead Can Dance, Dream Theater, Massive Attack (and I disagree with Sean's opinion of their latest album), the Orb, Orbital, Front 242, and Tears for Fears. Bands likely to make their way onto that list in the near future include King's X and Spock's Beard. And I'm sure I forgot some. Beyond those core favorites, I tend to go through phases in which I focus extensively on one genre. For instance, during my space-rock phase I was really into Pressurehed and their massive web of interrelated side projects. My techno/trance phase was anchored by Juno Reactor. Currently I'm caught between a prog/power-metal phase (Blind Guardian, Symphony X, Edguy), a long-standing industrial-dance/synth-pop phase (VNV Nation, Covenant, Apoptygma Berzerk, Icon of Coil...), and what looks to be a budding alternative hip-hop phase (Jurassic 5 and their ilk). I'm also getting into Japanese pop (Ayumi Hamasaki, Puffy AmiYumi) as a result of having been in Japan last semester. I have an ever-growing list of albums I think everyone should have. If anyone's interested, it's at: http://www.quarlie.com/lists/list.php?list=6 --Daniel NP: King's X - Tape Head From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 11:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World In a message dated 3/7/03 4:42:04 AM, martin@t... writes: >and... most recently Porcupine Tree ('In Absentia' is a masterpiece IMO) Oh yes. I totally agree. I can't say enough about that album. It's mind-bending. Martin, have you listened to Opeth? Their last few albums were produced by Steven Wilson from Porcupine Tree. It's very good stuff, although I could probably do without the death growling. :) --Daniel NP: still King's X - Tape Head Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39600 Re: Outside the TD World Kevin Ball kesbol Sat 3/8/2003 2 KB From: 'Kevin Ball' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 12:27 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Outside the TD World In no particular order :- Saga - Saw them tonight at the Mean Fiddler in London. They were absolutely diamond! Vangelis OMD The Blue Nile Hue & Cry Hall & Oates Camel Pat Metheny Joshua Kadison John Farnham Steve Winwood Talk Talk After The Fire New Musik Big Country Del Amitri Eloy Everything But The Girl Michael Franks Bruce Hornsby Kraftwerk La Düsseldorf Marillion Radio Massacre International Donald Fagan ... and my first favourite band - The Sweet. From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 1:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World Everyone loves to talk about their own interests! LOL :-) Outside TD I listen to, for example: Erasure Pet Shop Boys Sigmund Groven Vangelis Jean Michel Jarre Kraftwerk Laserdance (...and brave enough to admit it!!) Lots of classical music Everything from the Origo Sound label Sandra John Williams OSTs Mike Oldfield Glenn From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 1:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Outside the TD World I thought he meant REALLY DIFFERENT! Here's another ladies point of view: Jimmy Buffett Dr John Mendelssohn Blackmores/Night Uriah Heep Fleetwood Mac Crosby,Stills,Nash,and Young together or separately Dolly Parton Oh gee, there's other artists I like from time to time, but not to listen to hours each day, like I do TD. 8-Dell All IMO of course. NP: Seven Letters from Tibet: thanks to the list for the suggestion As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Marion Horrod >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Re: Outside the TD World >Date: Fri, 07 Mar 2003 14:30:25 +0000 > >You asked for it! >(Groupings are purely subjective.) > >Mozart, Bach, Teleman, Vivaldi, medieval plainsong >Led Zeppelin, Emerson Lake & Palmer, Captain Beefheart, Page & Plant, Peter >Gabriel, Pink Floyd, The Doors >Ry Cooder, JJ Cale, Tom Paxton, Lonnie Donegan, The Dubliners >World music, particularly African and Arabic >Shamen, Leftfield, Aphex Twin, early techno >... and my guilty secret, The Pet Shop Boys. > >That just about describes the third of my CDs that aren't EM. > >LnH > >Marion _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 3:33 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Outside the TD World Hmm! I always like these threads. Let's see. Apart from TD (and I've barely heard any TD at all the last few months), I like to listen to and have been influenced by: J.S.Bach Mahler Beethoven Stravinsky Vivaldi Carl Orff Edgard Varèse Philip Glass Dvorák Steve Reich Green Day Radiohead Nine Inch Nails Weezer J.M.Jarre Vangelis Can Kraftwerk Kluster, Cluster (has anyone got Klopfzeichen? would really like to hear that. only have Zwei-Osterei) Ash Ra Tempel, M.Göttsching Klaus Schulze Enya Laurie Anderson Faust Agitation Free Harmonia Heldon Synergy Focus King Crimson Änglagård Kaipa Anekdoten Sigur Rós Pär Lindh Project Museo Rosenbach Trans Am Tortoise Trettioåriga Kriget Wallenstein Solaris Mike Oldfield Tako (brilliant Yugoslavian prog band) Modrý Efekt (brilliant Czech prog band) Synkopy (another brilliant Czech prog band) Älgarnas Trädgård (very interesting experimental-prog-psychedwhatever Swedish group) Brazilian people: Hermeto Pascoal (makes music out of everything, from flute to his own beard) Uakti (ensemble which creates their own unique instruments) Tom Zé (began working around people like Caetano Veloso and Gilberto Gil, created his own unique style, usually with experimental touches) Quaterna Réquiem (one of the top prog rock bands here) Sensorial Estéreo (4 year old band I've just joined; 6 creative musicians making an amazing blend of rock, krautrock and experimental music, with two guitars, bass, drums, violin, voice and now my synth. mindblowing stuff.) Gustavo Jobim (I worked very hard to make an album I love to listen to, Round Mi. not to mention the previous quasi-albums and tracks and various experiments. been brewing the second album... the hard work will begin tonight if I have the time. electronic-orchestral-symphonic stuff. sometimes dense, sometimes spacy, usually trippy.) ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 3:38 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Latest Thread >Thanks to Martyn for listing King Crimson, I thought I was the only one >who actually liked them. no way, check out also my list! :) long live the King! :) ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 3:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Schulze >Dislikes? Shall I be controversial? Risk the wrath of Schulze fans? >Okay then... >Sorry, but I find his music too repetitive, directionless and lacking in >melody. heheheh! I have no problem reading that (Schulze is one of my teachers), because you just said what Schulze's music is mainly about, really. Repetitive, endless - often, 'beginning-less' and 'middle-less' too -, nonmelodic, except for extremely rare moments such as Ludwig II von Bayern, the Audentity period... I'm really not sure about why I'm so enchanted by his music. >Totally agree with you Roger I have always found his music boring. So far the only works I found really boring were the outrageously long and static tracks from the last few years (in CW1, CW2), which are most of his work. It's really hard to listen to. I always have to be doing something else. ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 4:37 am Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze I'm skipping thru the annual/ritual 'Who do we listen to other than TD?' messages. Seen it enough times in the last few years. Anyway, I wanted to respond to... >Dislikes? Shall I be controversial? Risk the wrath of Schulze fans? >Okay then... >Sorry, but I find his music too repetitive, directionless and lacking in >melody. I did not like KS at all at first. I dragged myself thru a few albums after others insisting that it was God's gift to EM. KS can take a 5 minute musical idea and stretch it out to 45 minutes. It's almost an artform. Think of the Ents (trees) in Lord of the Rings talking for days about 1 topic. Before you summarily give up, acquire/borrow Demo Session '1975, Historic Edition, and Are you Sequenced. -Morgan From: 'P.M. Dierking' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 5:51 am Subject: Re: Outside the TD world Don't forget the (first?) synth band ever, Lothar and the Hand People. If you have never experienced someone playing lead theremin, you just haven't lived. http://www.lotharandthehandpeople.com/ Just a few other fringe tastes: anything with Franco Corelli singing, Frank Marino and Mahogany Rush, Blue Cheer, Pentatonik, and Q-Tip [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39652 Re: Outside the TD world Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 3/9/2003 3 KB 39760 Re: Outside the TD world Chris Richards Kohntarkosz Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB 39761 Re: Outside the TD world Chris Richards Kohntarkosz Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB From: william dennehy Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 11:42 pm Subject: Life outside TD What about Paul Schutze? ===== 'Indeed, they were kings for a whole morning, during which the crimson hangings went up on the houses, and for all the afternoon, during which they advanced towards the palm garden' Rimbaud-Les Illuminations __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: 'Derek Hicks' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 11:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Astoria Photos Hi BTF Its a small world isnt it ! Yes I was standing at the end of the balcony - quite a good view I thought. Have you seen the video clip yet taken from the same spot ? This can be located on the 'Files' page of the Yahoo Tadream site. Best wishes Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: 'billythefish01' To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 1:29 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Astoria Photos > These are almost exactly the views I was getting. You must have been > standing just to my left! > > BTF From: Shez Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 4:57 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World I mainly listen to 80's synthpop / New Wave stuff ex.: John Foxx, ULtravox, Visage, Human League, etc. Also I like many (but not all) Giorgio Moroder productions and some disco stuff. Also the band Electric Light Orchestra (the only 'rock' band I like very much and beside that, Kraftwerk, Vangelis (mostly 70's work), Wendy Carlos, and some more or less known electro music from the 70's or early 80's. I rarely listen to recent music. On Fri, 7 Mar 2003 01:28:09 -0800 (PST), you wrote: >Hi, > >I wanted to ask you about your musical interests >outside TD. I mean, the music >which is really different from the TD style (unlike >AirSculpture RMI etc). >That's because of two reasons: > >1) After about two years of listening to ONLY TD some >kind of breakthrough >happened to me a couple of month ago and now my >musical interests >are extending very fast; however I still feel TD to be >the best, but in completely >different way. So I thought maybe you can recommend me >something. > >2) I wanted to know the attitude of other TD fans >about this music I'm >mostly listening to now, just for interest. > >So my new interests include: > >KMFDM >Rammstein >Sentenced >Project Pitchfork >Lacrimosa > >BTW I'd recommend the last one for all TD fans. > >Regards, >ArtOfVision > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more >http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: Shez Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 4:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées a good news, but this particular JMJ soundtrack is just borring. I mean the music. Just my opinion, don't expect much about it if you decide to buy it. On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 18:21:01 -0000, you wrote: >One of the very old Soundtracks from Jarre is finally re-issued on the >official Francis dreyfus music label for a very decent price >(amazon.fr) and other places. No more need to get your hands on >counterfeits. > >I would hope TD will also try to re-issue a few of their older >soundtrack material (The man inside etc.). > >René > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Fri Mar 7, 2003 3:16 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Outside the TD World I'm with you on the electronics stephan - call us a 'bit' narrowminded but if you can put a plug on it I'm likely to like it! Peru were great - pure sequencer overload with big fat analogue sounds, Kitaro - well you only really need the Silk Roads dbl to get the idea but that's superb, Got 1 CDS by Die Form hard techno but great great vocoder - some scary vocals on some of their releases! do you also like the 80's german Techno stuff on the Music Research label ? Konzept, Techno La Droga etc & the BOY label - Hypnopedia etc? Would be interested to heat what mobile homes are like...... Mat -----Original Message----- From: Stefan Brenner [mailto:baron_de_ley@y...] Sent: 07 March 2003 10:22 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World Die hard electronicmusic fan, i am :) Avant garde (Sweden) Die Form Covenant (Sweden) R Lundsten Old_field Kitaro Nova V/S Peru Mobile Homes (Sweden) Neu And many more Electronica, EBM, SynthPOP, in diffrent way.. Stefan _____________________________________________________ G fre i kn och f din sajt vrderad p nolltid med Yahoo! Express Se mer p: http://se.docs.yahoo.com/info/express/help/index.html ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 8:36 am Subject: TD release schedule - a DISCOGRAPHY question Hey everybody, is there somewehere a site you can recomend, with a good (and complete) DISCOGRAPHY of TD? All official releases, (all ROIOS) ? Maybe with comments (reviews) to the CD's Thanks for your help PETE ______________________________________________________________________________ Keine Lust, immer Ihre Adressdaten in eine E-Mail zu schreiben? Mit der vCard ist Schluss damit! Infos - http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021153 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39615 Re: TD release schedule - a DISCOGRAPHY question Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sat 3/8/2003 2 KB 39669 Re: TD release schedule - a DISCOGRAPHY question michael_berling michael_berling Sun 3/9/2003 3 KB From: pw098@a... Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 10:48 am Subject: Outside the TD World Music outside of TD?! Pink Floyd Genesis Yes Soloists from above Alan Parsons Amin Bhatia Elton John Kitaro Mahavishnu Orchestra Jean Luc Ponty Camel Brand X ... And while I'm out of Deep Lurk Mode ... Dark Side of the Moog is an Excellent series, at least of what I have listened to (4,5,6,7,8). Does anyone know where to pick up the rest of the series? Cheers, Bob [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Paul Fellows Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 11:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TD release schedule - a DISCOGRAPHY question on 8/03/03 9:36, pete1962@w... at pete1962@w... wrote: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html Well if you don't blow your own trumpet :-) Paul > Hey everybody, > > is there somewehere a site you can recomend, with a good (and complete) > DISCOGRAPHY of TD? > > All official releases, (all ROIOS) ? > > Maybe with comments (reviews) to the CD's > > > Thanks for your help > > PETE Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39669 Re: TD release schedule - a DISCOGRAPHY question michael_berling michael_berling Sun 3/9/2003 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 12:03 pm Subject: re outside TD grateful dead king crimson/tony levin/robert fripp/adrian belew ozric tentacles/eat static(planet dog era)/nodens ictus/zuvuya new order/joy division TG/chris and cosey/psychic tv SPK gong/gilli smyth/daevid allen steve roach bill laswell pink floyd klaus schulze the who the orb bon scott's ac/dc emerald web early simple minds simon posford santana peter gabriel ashra tempel loop guru global communication steve hillage/system7--wish they'd come around again juno reactor the grid suns of arqa astralasia zion train fsol devo the doors ledzep double fantasy thomas fehlmann lost at last (not the metal band) the velvet underground phish and the list goes on --T 'I call it madness' _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: 'artofvision01' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 12:04 pm Subject: Re: Outside the TD World Hi, > 2) > Re your list I've only heard of KMFDM & Project Pitchfork - isn't that industrial ?? > > Look forward to other members lists! > Mat > Yes my interest lies mainly in industrial but I'm extending very fast, in the past month I started moving to the Gothics and Death Metal. Art Of Vision From: 'artofvision01' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 12:07 pm Subject: Re: Outside the TD World --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical' wrote: > The bands mr. Art of Vision listed were mostly unknown to me (with the > exception of Rammstein), but I have on a sampler a great Steve Roach track > called Growth Sequence - I find it remarkably similar to Silver Scale, so it > must be one of those earlier ones. > BTW 'Sentenced' is a finnish group (the only one I'm aware of). It's Death Metal but tends to be more melodic Regards, Art Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39679 Re: Outside the TD World TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Mon 3/10/2003 3 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 10:32 am Subject: Outside the TD World Mike Oldfield Red Shift J-MJ Kitaro Kraftwerk Vangelis Genesis Peter Gabriel BBC Radiophonic Workshop Pet Shop Boys Beatles AC-DC Pink Flloyd Queen Enya Rick Wakeman Plus many others, early 80's late 70's bands: Gary Numan Ultravox Human League Yes ELO ELP OMD Yello The list goes on........... Paulus.d [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 10:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Other ravings... The Borg????????? from Star TrekTNG???? Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'David Butler' To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:35 PM Subject: [tadream] Other ravings... > 'I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during > my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify > your species. I realized that you're not actually > mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively > develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding > environment, but you humans do not. You move to an > area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every > natural resource is consumed. The only way you can > survive is to spread to another area. There is another > organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. > A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this > planet, you are a plague, and we are the cure.' > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39632 OT: Re: Other ravings... Utch Entel utch_entel Sat 3/8/2003 3 KB 39647 Re: OT: Re: Other ravings... Jim Moore moxica93 Sat 3/8/2003 4 KB 39635 Re: Other ravings... PENFOLD penfold235 Sat 3/8/2003 3 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 10:44 am Subject: Who Does What This question comes up quite often on the list. Which member did what thing in the band! The only ones Iam sure about is by evidence we all ready know: Chris Franke spends a lot of time in the 80's in front of an Emulator, probably dropping in alien seagulls and other noises. Johhannes improvises alot during pieces and seems to have fun! Edgar pads chords and melodies in during all the performances. Any of the rack mounted synths behind all the members could have the sequences loaded, in realty all these are/were probably chained together, controlled by a master sequencer. We will probably never know exacly who did what, but the music produced is greater than the sum of its parts. Paulus.d PS someone gave me a disk of Sonic Foundry's Acid Music Program- any good? Pity it has no manual and won't load because I have no serial key...... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39666 Re: Who Does What Matthew Stringer Sun 3/9/2003 3 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 10:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées Jean-Michel has had a hard time coming up with something better than Equinoxe and oxygene in my opinion. These great works were milestones and got many people listening to EM in the first place (me,included) but recent CD's I don't think are a patch on these classics - I mean J-MJ 'singing?' Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Shez' To: Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 4:39 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées > > a good news, but this particular JMJ soundtrack is just borring. I > mean the music. > Just my opinion, don't expect much about it if you decide to buy it. > > > > On Tue, 04 Mar 2003 18:21:01 -0000, you wrote: > > >One of the very old Soundtracks from Jarre is finally re-issued on the > >official Francis dreyfus music label for a very decent price > >(amazon.fr) and other places. No more need to get your hands on > >counterfeits. > > > >I would hope TD will also try to re-issue a few of their older > >soundtrack material (The man inside etc.). > > > >René > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > >Tangerine Tree info at > >http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39626 Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) glennfolkvord Sat 3/8/2003 3 KB 39637 Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées Michal Moroz mirstacja Sat 3/8/2003 2 KB 39653 Re: OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Grange s brulées Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sun 3/9/2003 3 KB 39659 Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Sun 3/9/2003 4 KB 39661 Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Sun 3/9/2003 5 KB 39670 Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) glennfolkvord Sun 3/9/2003 3 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 1:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Other ravings... actually it sounds like Q!!!! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Dryden' To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Other ravings... > The Borg????????? from Star TrekTNG???? > Paulus.d > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'David Butler' > To: > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:35 PM > Subject: [tadream] Other ravings... > > > > 'I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during > > my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify > > your species. I realized that you're not actually > > mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively > > develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding > > environment, but you humans do not. You move to an > > area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every > > natural resource is consumed. The only way you can > > survive is to spread to another area. There is another > > organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. > > A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this > > planet, you are a plague, and we are the cure.' > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: tom george Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 1:16 pm Subject: Other Music Artofvision mentions: Rammstein-Excellent stuff! and Lacrimosa. If you love Lacrimosa then you most certainly will like the following: Tristania Therion Nightwish Lullacry Tiamat Theatre of Tragedy To Die For Anathema The Gathering Lacuna Coil Ulver Opeth Edenbridge Gitane Demone and that is just a beginning. Enjoy Tom __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 1:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] : Outside the TD World Here's my list... Outside the TD world, but in the same solar system: Andy Pickford Bjorn Lynne / Divinorum David Wright Dom F. Scab Enigma Enya Eric Snelders Frank Van Bogaert Free System Projekt Future Sound of London Jean Michel Jarre John Dyson / Wavestar Kraftwerk Mark Shreeve / Redshift Michael Garrison Mike Oldfield Mind~Flux / Fanger & Kersten Patrick O'Hearn Paul Lawler / Arcane / Max van Richter Paul Nagle Peru / Nova Pyramid Peak Robert Fox Ron Boots Software / Peter Mergener Space Stephan Whitlan Vangelis In a far far away galaxy: Beatles / Paul McCartney Beethoven Dire Straits Fischer-Z Madredeus Mozart Orchestral Manoeuvres in the Dark Pink Floyd My guilty secret: Kim Wilde :-\ -- Jorge Figueiredo (no that's not part of the list, it's just my name) :-) ((> Classix Nouveaux - La Verité <)) From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 1:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Dryden' > Jean-Michel has had a hard time coming up with something better than > Equinoxe and oxygene in my opinion. > These great works were milestones and got many people listening to EM in the > first place (me,included) but recent CD's I don't think are a patch on these > classics I think it is a failed mindset to expect artists to improve all the time. Is that the nature of art, to improve on itself? I dont think so, because you cant really measure improvement. One thing about art is that it must evolve and provoke, in *any* direction, and if you dont think Jarre has done that over the years, including Metamorphoses, I dont think you have paid attention :-) > - I mean J-MJ 'singing?' And why not? Just because a painter never used the colour yellow in his first 12 paintings doesnt mean he cant use it in his next paintings. Glenn From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 1:23 pm Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze Morgan said: I did not like KS at all at first. I dragged myself thru a few albums after others insisting that it was God's gift to EM. KS can take a 5 minute musical idea and stretch it out to 45 minutes. It's almost an artform. Think of the Ents (trees) in Lord of the Rings talking for days about 1 topic. Before you summarily give up, acquire/borrow Demo Session '1975, Historic Edition, and Are you Sequenced. I have to admit I've only listened to two of his albums: 'Dune' which was mega dull (I sold it about a week or two later) and the previously mentioned 'Trailer', which only sparkles occasionally for me. It hasn't prompted me to put it out for trade, though. But then Klaus is considerably more palatable than some of the crap in the charts at the moment and, given that choice, he'd certainly do me. BTW - to those who say 80's music - I have to agree, a golden age of music. But then the nineties onward, and record companies have decided we like manufactured stuff and rap. These days, a band like Tangerine Dream, or for that matter the new Genesis, Pink Floyd or whatever would have no chance at all - companies demand instant success, not time to build that up, as these bands did. Or is it because the only reason I hate the 90's and 00's is because I've grown a bit older? Roger Hartopp --------------r-e-k-l-a-m-a----------------- Szukasz banku bez prowizji ? mBank - zaloz konto http://epieniadze.onet.pl/mbank Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39628 Re: Klaus Schulze Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited groovekees Sat 3/8/2003 3 KB From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 2:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Klaus Schulze At 14:23 8-3-03 +0100, you wrote: >Morgan said: > >I did not like KS at all at first. I dragged myself thru a few albums after >others insisting that it was God's gift to EM. KS can take a 5 minute >musical idea and stretch it out to 45 minutes. It's almost an artform. >Think of the Ents (trees) in Lord of the Rings talking for days about 1 >topic. > >Before you summarily give up, acquire/borrow Demo Session '1975, Historic >Edition, and Are you Sequenced. > >I have to admit I've only listened to two of his albums: 'Dune' which was >mega dull (I sold it about a week or two later) and the previously mentioned >'Trailer', which only sparkles occasionally for me. It hasn't prompted me to >put it out for trade, though. Hi, Dune is definitively not the album to start with. Try 'Mirage' where part 2 called 'Crystal Lake' is my and many other people's favorite. Other highlights for me are: 'Moondawn', 'Body love 1 and 2'. If you still don't like it then I suggest forget KS. ;-) I also love 'Dig it' because of the GDS he uses. Most people also love 'X' but that's not my cup of tea. Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 8203 AD Lelystad The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 http://www.groove.nl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Marion Horrod Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 4:25 pm Subject: Re: Other ravings... Subject: Re: Other ravings... actually it sounds like Q!!!! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Dryden' To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:34 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Other ravings... > The Borg????????? from Star TrekTNG???? > Paulus.d Naah, it's what's 'is face - you know, Elrond - in the Matrix. 'Welcome to Rivendell, ..Misterrrr.......Anderson.' LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39630 Klaus Schulze at Musikmesse? Volkmar Friauf colognese2002 Sat 3/8/2003 2 KB 39671 Re: Klaus Schulze at Musikmesse? René Brenner fairway_ch Sun 3/9/2003 2 KB From: Volkmar Friauf Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 4:45 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze at Musikmesse? Hello, speaking of Klaus Schulze, did anyone make it to Musikmesse in Frankfurt today? How was his autograph session, and more important, how is the music on the CD? 8-) Regards, Volkmar Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39671 Re: Klaus Schulze at Musikmesse? René Brenner fairway_ch Sun 3/9/2003 2 KB From: tom george Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 4:45 pm Subject: Other Music-Death Metal One of the most original and fascinating Death Metal bands I have come across in the last few years is Dimmu Borgir. Any of their cds are good and they also have a DVD set out that highlights their history and recent tour. It includes 2 DVDs and a live cd containing tracks not available elsewhere. Saw them live in Atlanta last year (their first tour in the US) and it was awesome. I dragged along Vic Rek to see them and he even enjoyed it. :) Tom __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39633 Re: Other Music-Death Metal vic rek kyivmission Sat 3/8/2003 3 KB From: 'Utch Entel' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 5:37 pm Subject: OT: Re: Other ravings... It's gotta be from Matrix... ...the main agent talking to Morpheus. On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:34:03 -0000, Paul Dryden wrote: >The Borg????????? from Star TrekTNG???? >Paulus.d > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'David Butler' >To: >Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:35 PM >Subject: [tadream] Other ravings... > > >> 'I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during >> my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify >> your species. I realized that you're not actually >> mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively >> develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding >> environment, but you humans do not. You move to an >> area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every >> natural resource is consumed. The only way you can >> survive is to spread to another area. There is another >> organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. >> A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this >> planet, you are a plague, and we are the cure.' --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. --Albert Einstein Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39647 Re: OT: Re: Other ravings... Jim Moore moxica93 Sat 3/8/2003 4 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 6:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Other Music-Death Metal From: 'tom george' Subject: [tadream] Other Music-Death Metal > One of the most original and fascinating Death Metal > bands I have come across in the last few years is > Dimmu Borgir. Any of their cds are good and they > also have a DVD set out that highlights their > history and recent tour. It includes 2 DVDs and > a live cd containing tracks not available elsewhere. > Saw them live in Atlanta last year (their first > tour in the US) and it was awesome. I dragged along > Vic Rek to see them and he even enjoyed it. :) Ya, I even bought a CD by one of the opening acts: Cryptopsy. I learned how to swing my head and I was amused by that Death Metal slam-dancing by the stage - I was almost tempted to jump in - but my hair wasn't long enough - or enough period :-) Someone also mentioned that they listen to the Polish band SBB. I really enjoy this old Polish band and just recently I picked up a SBB solo CD by Josef Skrzek - excellent! And to get on the TD topic - last night I listened to Edgar Froese's 'Beyond the Storm' - I forgot how enjoyable this CD is! Vic From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 6:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Other ravings... Someone has seen to much Matrix here........=O) Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Dryden' To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 11:34 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Other ravings... > The Borg????????? from Star TrekTNG???? > Paulus.d > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'David Butler' > To: > Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:35 PM > Subject: [tadream] Other ravings... > > > > 'I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during > > my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify > > your species. I realized that you're not actually > > mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively > > develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding > > environment, but you humans do not. You move to an > > area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every > > natural resource is consumed. The only way you can > > survive is to spread to another area. There is another > > organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. > > A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this > > planet, you are a plague, and we are the cure.' > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more > > http://taxes.yahoo.com/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 6:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Other ravings... At 2003.03.08-10:34, Paul Dryden wrote: >The Borg????????? from Star TrekTNG???? 'Agent Smith' - _The Matrix_ >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'David Butler' >To: >Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:35 PM > > > 'I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during my time here. It > came to me when I tried to classify your species. I realized that you're > not actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops > a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but you humans do > not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and multiply, until every > natural resource is consumed. The only way you can survive is to spread > to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows > the same pattern. A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of > this planet, you are a plague, and we are the cure.' Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 6:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Outside the TD World My €0.02 Primitive Machine (formerly Brain Garden) JM Jarre Juan Garcia Esquivel Devo Pink Floyd Mutaytor (www.mutaytor.com/) ZZ Top Synergy Beatles Rolling Stones Brian Setzer Orchestra Bob Marley Philip Glass just to name a few Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 10:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées > a good news, but this particular JMJ soundtrack is just borring. I > mean the music. > Just my opinion, don't expect much about it if you decide to buy it. Well... But at least you can listen to it. Its maybe not so good, but still interesting to see how JMJ has evolved. Yet another early album by JMJ - Les Granges Brulees is pure sh*t :-) Greetings Michal Moroz Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39653 Re: OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Grange s brulées Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sun 3/9/2003 3 KB From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 3:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Klaus Schulze Well I like Klaus. Maybe not all albums but he has a few very good ones. I like more the 80's period with albums like Dziekuje Poland, Dreams of En=Trance or Transfer Station Blue (with the Shrieve brothers - not Mark Shreeve ;-) ). I also recommend The Dark Side of the Moog series. My favourite is number 8 (the live one) Greetings Michal Moroz From: quarlie@a... Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Outside the TD World In a message dated 3/8/03 7:09:22 AM, artofvision01@y... writes: >BTW 'Sentenced' is a finnish group (the only one I'm aware of). Hmm... then you must not be aware of Stratovarius, Children of Bodom, Nightwish or Sonata Arctica. All pretty decent and very technically gifted Finnish bands (although I can only take Stratovarius in limited doses). --Daniel NP: King's X - Please Come Home... Mr. Bulbous From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 7:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées > > Jean-Michel has had a hard time coming up with something better than > > Equinoxe and oxygene in my opinion. > > These great works were milestones and got many people listening to EM in >the > > first place (me,included) but recent CD's I don't think are a patch on >these > > classics > >I think it is a failed mindset to expect artists to improve all the time. >Is >that the nature of art, to improve on itself? I dont think so, because you >cant really measure improvement. One thing about art is that it must evolve >and provoke, in *any* direction, and if you dont think Jarre has done that >over the years, including Metamorphoses, I dont think you have paid >attention :-) My 2 fave JMJ albums are Rendez-Vous and Chronologie.. of course, the first ones are good, too, but not the only good ones. Metamorphoses, yes, it's different, but in a very very bad way. I found a few mp3s of Les Granges Brûlées, and they sound OK to me; certainly better than eg. Deserted Palace. It also has a sort of similar feel as in Wuivend Riet. (Don't ask for explanations, I'm unable to give any.) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Liondream@a... Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 7:19 pm Subject: Re: singing in the rain I agree with Glenn on this one... and we HAVE heard JMJ singing before kinda sorta - except he was doing it into a vocoder. But I can kind of see the other point too... it has to do with branding... if we buy an album by a certain artist we most often are expecting it to sound a certain way at least to a point. Different and new, yet the same. Does that make sense? I mean, I think it's safe to say that if the Tangs suddenly announced that they have decided to ditch all of the electronics and that from now on they would dedicate themselves to peforming only traditional folk songs on acoustic guitar and harmonica a lot of us would flip out. In a message dated 3/8/2003 12:49:04 PM Central Standard Time, tadream@yahoogroups.com writes: > I think it is a failed mindset to expect artists to improve all the time. Is > that the nature of art, to improve on itself? I dont think so, because you > cant really measure improvement. One thing about art is that it must evolve > and provoke, in *any* direction, and if you dont think Jarre has done that > over the years, including Metamorphoses, I dont think you have paid > attention :-) > > > - I mean J-MJ 'singing?' > > And why not? Just because a painter never used the colour yellow in his > first 12 paintings doesnt mean he cant use it in his next paintings. > > Glenn > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 3:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]: Klaus Schulze I've heard a lot of music with effects that dominate and which are uncomfortable to listen to. What sets KS above the rest is his ability to use some of the most unusual sounds ever heard and weave them into something that is a piece of music. This guy really knows his synts David From: Paul Fellows Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 7:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Soundtrack Collection Very kind :-) Just interested to know, where did the labels come from? Didn't do any myself. Are they available on line anywhere? Paul on 16/02/03 22:35, strat95@b... at strat95@b... wrote: > Just wanted to give out an 'Attaboy!' and a big pat on the back to those > folks that put together the DSC!!! > > I just finished putting my set together. Printed out the covers, trays and > CD labels. This is a sharp looking set. Listened to the first few discs as I > worked and the quality is outstanding!! > > Thanks to all involved for the hard work!!! > > Neal Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39940 Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection Andrzej Osadców andrzejos2000 Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB From: 'Piotr Millennium 3' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 8:11 pm Subject: new video file 'Hyperborea' Hi, You can download a new video file 'Hyperborea' (ca 14 MBytes) made by the 'Palacz and Millennium Production' here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/hyperborea.zip Pozdrawiam Piotr S. 'Millennium' Strona zawieraj±ca informacje o nieoficjalnych nagraniach Tangerine Dream : http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39650 Re: new video file 'Hyperborea' Antonio Nunes ajogon Sat 3/8/2003 2 KB 39682 Re: new video file 'Hyperborea' Erik Sanborn esanbornyid Mon 3/10/2003 3 KB 39691 Re: new video file 'Hyperborea' Janet Wojtecki caw8429 Mon 3/10/2003 3 KB 39694 Re: new video file 'Hyperborea' herold.u@t... goblinsdream Mon 3/10/2003 3 KB 39698 Re: new video file 'Hyperborea' Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Tue 3/11/2003 3 KB From: thesmitter@j... Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 3:18 am Subject: Fin Say, anyone heard a guy/group named 'Fin'? I know 2 albums were sold by Synth Music Direct but are now out of print, unfortunately. I like the sounds bits and am interested in more info on him/them. Had a J M-Jarre sound to it. Thanks for any info and sorry for the non-TD content. Larry ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39648 Re: Fin Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) glennfolkvord Sat 3/8/2003 3 KB 39649 Re: Fin Antonio Nunes ajogon Sat 3/8/2003 2 KB From: 'mike browder' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 8:34 pm Subject: Re: Outside the TD World Bowie is without a doubt my main interest ouside TD. I've been able to put together a nice video collection from Ziggy to Heathen. It's interesting to hear how his songs have evolved over the years and throughout his various incarnations. When I was a kid I was crazy about the Rolling Stones. I lost interest in them for a while, but after getting a few vids of their Sullivan appearances and the Sympathy for the Devil documentary, it's really rekindled my interset in vintage Stones. If I could have just got a hold of those vids around 1980 at the height of my Stones mania. Rammstein I really like. They're about the only metal I listen to anymore. PIL and the Sex Pistols are also favs, along with Nat King Cole, Marianne Faithfull and Lorena McKennitt. m. spawnofcthulhu @ webtv.net --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Art Of Vision wrote: > Hi, > > I wanted to ask you about your musical interests > outside TD. I mean, the music > which is really different from the TD style (unlike > AirSculpture RMI etc). > That's because of two reasons: > > 1) After about two years of listening to ONLY TD some > kind of breakthrough > happened to me a couple of month ago and now my > musical interests > are extending very fast; however I still feel TD to be > the best, but in completely > different way. So I thought maybe you can recommend me > something. > > 2) I wanted to know the attitude of other TD fans > about this music I'm > mostly listening to now, just for interest. > > So my new interests include: > > KMFDM > Rammstein > Sentenced > Project Pitchfork > Lacrimosa > > BTW I'd recommend the last one for all TD fans. > > Regards, > ArtOfVision From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 8:51 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Re: Other ravings... I thought it was the Sierra Club Mission Statement... [ducking and running...] - jim -----Original Message----- From: Utch Entel [mailto:Utch@i...] Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 12:37 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] OT: Re: Other ravings... It's gotta be from Matrix... ...the main agent talking to Morpheus. On Sat, 8 Mar 2003 10:34:03 -0000, Paul Dryden wrote: >The Borg????????? from Star TrekTNG???? >Paulus.d > >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'David Butler' >To: >Sent: Friday, March 07, 2003 9:35 PM >Subject: [tadream] Other ravings... > > >> 'I'd like to share a revelation that I've had during >> my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify >> your species. I realized that you're not actually >> mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively >> develops a natural equilibrium with the surrounding environment, but >> you humans do not. You move to an area, and you multiply, and >> multiply, until every natural resource is consumed. The only way you >> can survive is to spread to another area. There is another >> organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. >> A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this >> planet, you are a plague, and we are the cure.' --------------- Tear and crumple after reading --------------- Reality is merely an illusion, albeit a very persistent one. --Albert Einstein ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 9:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fin I know Fin. He has a group at Yahoo called fin-music@yahoogroups.com but they have moved on to a message board on the web now. But if you join his list they can tell you where the action is. Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:18 PM Subject: [tadream] Fin > Say, anyone heard a guy/group named 'Fin'? I know 2 albums were sold by Synth Music Direct but are now out of print, unfortunately. I like the sounds bits and am interested in more info on him/them. Had a J M-Jarre sound to it. > > Thanks for any info and sorry for the non-TD content. > > Larry > > > > > ________________________________________________________________ > Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today > Only $9.95 per month! > Visit www.juno.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 10:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Fin thesmitter@j... wrote: > > Say, anyone heard a guy/group named 'Fin'? I know 2 albums were sold by Synth Music > Direct but are now out of print, unfortunately. I like the sounds bits and am > interested in more info on him/them. Had a J M-Jarre sound to it. Larry, you can hear and download a few of his tracks in http://www.ampcast.com/fin Antonio Nunes From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 10:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] new video file 'Hyperborea' Piotr Millennium 3 wrote: > > You can download a new video file 'Hyperborea' (ca 14 MBytes) made by > the 'Palacz and Millennium Production' > here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/hyperborea.zip Excellent pictures for one of my all-time favourite TD tracks. Well done! Antonio Nunes From: Date: Sat Mar 8, 2003 11:00 pm Subject: Astoria boot Hi guys! Has anyone taped the gig? Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.klausmusic.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39674 Re: Astoria boot Heiko Heerssen td_freak Mon 3/10/2003 2 KB 39693 Re: Astoria boot jarek@w... jerryplpl Mon 3/10/2003 3 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 1:46 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Outside the TD world I'm listening to a couple of tracks on mp3 off their website. 'This Is It' is utterly charming - good stuff! Thanks for sharing :-) --- 'P.M. Dierking' wrote: > > Don't forget the (first?) synth band ever, Lothar > and the Hand People. If you have never experienced > someone playing lead theremin, you just haven't > lived. > http://www.lotharandthehandpeople.com/ > Just a few other fringe tastes: > anything with Franco Corelli singing, Frank Marino > and Mahogany Rush, Blue Cheer, Pentatonik, and Q-Tip > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 3:18 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Grange s brulées >Well... >But at least you can listen to it. Its maybe not so good, but still >interesting to see how JMJ has evolved. >Yet another early album by JMJ - Les Granges Brulees is pure sh*t :-) Deserted Palace, his first album (1972), is way more interesting than LGB, which is boring for me (tons of variations of the same theme...). The music is very varied. It was composed to be used in radio stations as musical background and stuff. You should try it. Interesting fact about his early work - the single La Cage/Eros Machina (1971), Deserted Palace (1972) and Les Granges Brûlées (1973) is that there are quite a few themes and musical elements that he recreated and recycled in his albums, like in Magnetic Fields and Chronologie. ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: 'marc todd' Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 4:54 am Subject: Pergamon Revisited Hi Everyone, Today on my round trip to work and back I listened to TD's Pergamon. It's been quite awhile since I listened to this and I had forgotten what a truly stunning album this is. Schmoelings' influence is readily apparent throughout. Less improv, more melody, more digital sounding then the Froese/Frank/Baumann era (my favorite) but it really works here. Pergamon would probably get my vote for best TD 'live' album. Yeah, I know Poland is a masterpiece as well, but to me Pergamon just has a certain quality that I can't explain that is missing from Poland. I shall have to dust of my cdr copy of Beyond the Wall to get the full story. Cheers, Marc _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 9:16 am Subject: RE. Hyperborea Video File Excellent pictures for one of my all-time favourite TD tracks. Well done! Antonio Nunes I will second that superb video of one of the great TD tracks,excellent work Piotr. Cheers Gary www.hyperborea.v21net.co.uk From: 'Fred Yargui' Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 9:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Grange s brulées Hello Dreamers, When I first heard Mythodea (the latest Vangelis album), I found it quite boring... I had to wait someone let me see the video in Athens and I was litterally tied to my chair, watching the entire show till the end. Then, music has a got sense to me. I think is quite normal soundtracks have a repetitive theme (cf, Moricone, Goblins, etc) and a soundtrack album is among all things a way to remember the movie, or at least can't be dissocied so easily from it. Best Regards, Fred np : Michael Bondee, Oxygene 7 (parts 2 & 3 ) in _Jarre Logic_ >Yet another early album by JMJ - Les Granges Brulees is pure sh*t :-) Deserted Palace, his first album (1972), is way more interesting than LGB, which is boring for me (tons of variations of the same theme...). From: Olav Neander Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 10:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Klaus Schulze Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited schrieb: >Try 'Mirage' where part 2 called 'Crystal Lake' is my and many other >people's favorite. >Other highlights for me are: 'Moondawn', 'Body love 1 and 2'.' > Yes, these are also some of my favourite KS albums, and I'd like to add my personal favourite: 'Timewind', maybe the most tangerine-dreamy one by Klaus Schulze. Olav Electronic Dreamscapes from Norway - http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis - ICQ# 9622825 From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 1:26 pm Subject: Sanctuary Re-issues The new TD re-issues on the UK label Sanctuary now have been released under BMG distribution in the USA. These are the ones with the nice packaging and sleeves. So far, we have: Electronic Meditation Alpha Centauri Zeit Atem Green Desert Le Parc Journey Through a Burning Brain (3 CDs) Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39663 Re: Sanctuary Re-issues Colin Jouxson convention24 Sun 3/9/2003 2 KB 39665 Re: Sanctuary Re-issues Colin Jouxson convention24 Sun 3/9/2003 2 KB 39664 Re: Sanctuary Re-issues vic rek kyivmission Sun 3/9/2003 2 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 5:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées Sometimes I talk b*****ks, I mean Magnetic Fields isn't a bad album!!! or any of his later stuff, just different! Perhaps when you're young, you later remember those past things with fondness and find it difficult to accept the new! Also, with vocoders, he was 'singing' on Equinoxe as well.... Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:54 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Paul Dryden' > > > > Jean-Michel has had a hard time coming up with something better than > > Equinoxe and oxygene in my opinion. > > These great works were milestones and got many people listening to EM in > the > > first place (me,included) but recent CD's I don't think are a patch on > these > > classics > > I think it is a failed mindset to expect artists to improve all the time. Is > that the nature of art, to improve on itself? I dont think so, because you > cant really measure improvement. One thing about art is that it must evolve > and provoke, in *any* direction, and if you dont think Jarre has done that > over the years, including Metamorphoses, I dont think you have paid > attention :-) > > > - I mean J-MJ 'singing?' > > And why not? Just because a painter never used the colour yellow in his > first 12 paintings doesnt mean he cant use it in his next paintings. > > Glenn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 5:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Other ravings... can't wait for the new MAtrix 2 and 3!!!!! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marion Horrod' To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 4:25 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Other ravings... > Subject: Re: Other ravings... > > actually it sounds like Q!!!! > > Paulus.d > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Paul Dryden' > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 10:34 AM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Other ravings... > > > The Borg????????? from Star TrekTNG???? > > Paulus.d > > Naah, it's what's 'is face - you know, Elrond - in the Matrix. > > 'Welcome to Rivendell, ..Misterrrr.......Anderson.' > > LnH > > Marion > > 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs > to be ...' S. Blakemore > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 5:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées Answer myself - never!!!!!!! The quickest U-turn since the history of racing driving!!!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Dryden' To: Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 5:17 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées > Sometimes I talk b*****ks, I mean Magnetic Fields isn't a bad album!!! or > any of his later stuff, just different! > Perhaps when you're young, you later remember those past things with > fondness and find it difficult to accept the new! > Also, with vocoders, he was 'singing' on Equinoxe as well.... > Paulus.d > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 1:54 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Paul Dryden' > > > > > > > Jean-Michel has had a hard time coming up with something better than > > > Equinoxe and oxygene in my opinion. > > > These great works were milestones and got many people listening to EM in > > the > > > first place (me,included) but recent CD's I don't think are a patch on > > these > > > classics > > > > I think it is a failed mindset to expect artists to improve all the time. > Is > > that the nature of art, to improve on itself? I dont think so, because you > > cant really measure improvement. One thing about art is that it must > evolve > > and provoke, in *any* direction, and if you dont think Jarre has done that > > over the years, including Metamorphoses, I dont think you have paid > > attention :-) > > > > > - I mean J-MJ 'singing?' > > > > And why not? Just because a painter never used the colour yellow in his > > first 12 paintings doesnt mean he cant use it in his next paintings. > > > > Glenn > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 5:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1723 Hello Paul, No. I actually made them myself. I opened the front cover of each volume in Adobe Photoshop. Use the erase feature in Photoshop to erased the wording in the center of the picture, but leave the volume number. Now save this as a separate picture. Now open this picture with your coverart/label printing software and print as labels. Looks just like the front cover, with no words and just the volume number to number the disc itself. Very simple, but very nice. Since the artwork was so professional in appearance, the labels have the same look!! Hope this helps. Neal Message: 7 Date: Sat, 08 Mar 2003 20:32:05 +0100 From: Paul Fellows Subject: Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection Very kind :-) Just interested to know, where did the labels come from? Didn't do any myself. Are they available on line anywhere? Paul on 16/02/03 22:35, strat95@b... at strat95@b... wrote: > Just wanted to give out an 'Attaboy!' and a big pat on the back to those > folks that put together the DSC!!! > > I just finished putting my set together. Printed out the covers, trays and > CD labels. This is a sharp looking set. Listened to the first few discs as I > worked and the quality is outstanding!! > > Thanks to all involved for the hard work!!! > > Neal From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 5:42 pm Subject: Re: Sanctuary Re-issues --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote: > The new TD re-issues on the UK label Sanctuary now have been released under > BMG distribution in the USA. These are the ones with the nice packaging and > sleeves. > > So far, we have: > > Electronic Meditation > Alpha Centauri > Zeit > Atem > Green Desert > Le Parc > Journey Through a Burning Brain (3 CDs) > > Vic And of course Vic,we all know you will but the LOT. Best regards Colin South Wales UK Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39665 Re: Sanctuary Re-issues Colin Jouxson convention24 Sun 3/9/2003 2 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 5:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Sanctuary Re-issues > > > > So far, we have: > > > > Electronic Meditation > > Alpha Centauri > > Zeit > > Atem > > Green Desert > > Le Parc > > Journey Through a Burning Brain (3 CDs) > > > > Vic > And of course Vic,we all know you will but the LOT. What do you mean 'will', HAD bought is more like it :-) I recommend these to everyone since the quality/packaging is great and it sells at a lower than average price. I was paying $12.99 retail for the USA releases. Vic > Best regards > Colin > South Wales UK From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 5:46 pm Subject: Re: Sanctuary Re-issues --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'vic rek' wrote: > > The new TD re-issues on the UK label Sanctuary now have been > released under > > BMG distribution in the USA. These are the ones with the nice > packaging and > > sleeves. > > > > So far, we have: > > > > Electronic Meditation > > Alpha Centauri > > Zeit > > Atem > > Green Desert > > Le Parc > > Journey Through a Burning Brain (3 CDs) I MEANT BUY > > > > Vic > And of course Vic,we all know you will but the LOT. > Best regards > Colin > South Wales UK From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 6:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Who Does What SF Acid is great, you shouldn't need the manual as it doesn't take too long to figure what does what. M@ -----Original Message----- From: Paul Dryden [mailto:paulus.d@f...] Sent: 08 March 2003 10:45 To: Tadream Subject: [tadream] Who Does What This question comes up quite often on the list. Which member did what thing in the band! The only ones Iam sure about is by evidence we all ready know: Chris Franke spends a lot of time in the 80's in front of an Emulator, probably dropping in alien seagulls and other noises. Johhannes improvises alot during pieces and seems to have fun! Edgar pads chords and melodies in during all the performances. Any of the rack mounted synths behind all the members could have the sequences loaded, in realty all these are/were probably chained together, controlled by a master sequencer. We will probably never know exacly who did what, but the music produced is greater than the sum of its parts. Paulus.d PS someone gave me a disk of Sonic Foundry's Acid Music Program- any good? Pity it has no manual and won't load because I have no serial key...... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! 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Tax Center - forms, calculators, tips, more http://taxes.yahoo.com/ From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 8:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hyperborea A big Thank You, Piotr :-)) Dream Regards, Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: 'tom george' To: Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2003 8:07 PM Subject: [tadream] Hyperborea > > Simply stunning Piotr. > Tom > From: 'michael_berling' Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 8:29 pm Subject: Re: TD release schedule - a DISCOGRAPHY question --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Paul Fellows wrote: > on 8/03/03 9:36, pete1962@w... at pete1962@w... wrote: > > http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/index.html > > Well if you don't blow your own trumpet :-) > > Paul If Paul blows his trumpet, I'd like to blow mine, too... ;-) Check out: http://www.voices-in-the-net.de 'Voices In The Net' is supposed to be the most comprehensive TD discography worldwide. Of course, Paul's Dream Gallery is excellent, too. Both sites just have a slightly different focus... BTW: I'm just working on an update of VitN; the site will be updated in a few days, including the new Astoria single then. Regards, Michael > > > Hey everybody, > > > > is there somewehere a site you can recomend, with a good (and complete) > > DISCOGRAPHY of TD? > > > > All official releases, (all ROIOS) ? > > > > Maybe with comments (reviews) to the CD's > > > > > > Thanks for your help > > > > PETE From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 8:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Official Rerelease of JMJ Les Granges brulées ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Dryden' > Sometimes I talk b*****ks, I mean Magnetic Fields isn't a bad album!!! or > any of his later stuff, just different! Well, all opinions are valid of course. > Perhaps when you're young, you later remember those past things with > fondness and find it difficult to accept the new! That is indeed how it is. It doesnt mean that the item you remember is bad, it means you as a person has changed. From a 'taste' point of view, people often confuse these things. It's just human nature I guess. > Also, with vocoders, he was 'singing' on Equinoxe as well.... No, actually those sounds are from the ARP 2600, modified with equipment made by Michel Geiss. JMJ explained so in an magazine article from 1979. Glenn From: René Brenner Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 10:28 pm Subject: Re: Klaus Schulze at Musikmesse? --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Volkmar Friauf wrote: > Hello, > > speaking of Klaus Schulze, did anyone make it to Musikmesse in Frankfurt > today? > > How was his autograph session, and more important, how is the music on the > CD? 8-) strings as usual with some sequencing done on alesis andromeda and julia messenger voices which already appeared on contempory works 2 but have been editied. I heard only about 50 copies were given... so watch out for copies and let me know ;-) Cheers René From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 10:52 pm Subject: Re: Who Does What? There were 98 concerts from 1975-1977 and nobody here on the list knows anyone who attended any of those shows who remembers who played the piano? *sigh* TD is a mystery even amongst its fans. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39683 Re: Who Does What? braddito braddito Mon 3/10/2003 2 KB 39686 Re: Who Does What? Janet Wojtecki caw8429 Mon 3/10/2003 3 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 2:33 am Subject: Ricochet Gathering 2003 - Mojave Subscription Package Hello TD & EM Fans, The annual Ricochet Gathering is approaching. This is the 4th year and the 1st time that the event has moved from the Okefenokee Swamp. This time we are celebrating in the Mojave Desert in California. This will be 'our' Mojave Plan in honor of Tangerine Dream. There is always an open invitation to Tangerine Dream to join us. This year the following musicians are confirmed: Free System Projekt (Marcel Engels from Holland) AirSculpture (the famous UK trio) Star Sounds Orchestra (Steve Schroyder and Jens Zygar from Germany) Bill Fox (Pennsylvania) Dave Brewer (Arizona) Arcane (Paul Lawler from UK) Wolfram DER Spyra (Fax label from Germany). Also, we will have a sound engineer and 24 track mixer! Please visit my website www.ricochetdream.com/mojave.html for more information. There are only around 10 spots left. the final cost will be determined by the number of guests and number of subscriptions - yes - subscriptions. To help pay for many expenses for this event, I am offering a subscription package to the fans that cannot attend or afford to join us at the Mojave desert. The 'Ricochet Gathering Subscription' package for Mojave 2003 will consist of: 1. Okefenokee Dreams 2000 or 2001 CD (your choice) 2. Mojave 2003 Promo CDRs (same as the guests will receive) 3. Mojave 2003 T-Shirt 4. Mystery item - One event grab bag item to be drawn by the guests at the event. I believe that this is a great deal for the fans! Also, if you wish to have a CD autographed by one of the artists, just let me know. You can either send me the CD or buy one that will be offered there. So the cost for this package is $30 and ALL of this amount will be applied towards the cost of holding the event. So the more that subscribe, the greater success we'll have this year and the years to follow. Please contact me off list at tangerinedream@a... if you wish to subscribe. I would like to have all subscriptions in by April 1st. Postage will be $5.00 USA, $10.00 worldwide. I accept PayPal. Thanks for your interest. Vic Rek www.ricochetdream.com From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 7:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Astoria boot > Hi guys! > > Has anyone taped the gig? An audience recording of this show will be part of 'Tangerine Tree Vol. 4'. Apart from this I know that at least four different recordings do exist, but so far only heard one (and this one is great :-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39693 Re: Astoria boot jarek@w... jerryplpl Mon 3/10/2003 3 KB From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:06 am Subject: Re: JMJ-Aero Citeren > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: 'Paul Dryden' > > > > > > > Jean-Michel has had a hard time coming up with something better than > > > Equinoxe and oxygene in my opinion. > > > These great works were milestones and got many people listening to EM in > > the Hi All, > > > - I mean J-MJ 'singing?' > > > > And why not? Just because a painter never used the colour yellow in his > > first 12 paintings doesnt mean he cant use it in his next paintings. > > > > Glenn Coming sunday, 16th march there will be a JMJ special on Dutch Radio-4 starting at 20:00 hrs till 24:00 hrs. This broadcast will include to complete Aero Concert held last year in Denmark in ely September. I've understood that this broadcast will also be on internet, will try to find out the right address soonest so that anyone who is interested inhearing JMJ sing can tune in on coming sunday. (i know he is singing 'cos a friend from finland recorded this concert from finnish tv for me onto vhs. the concert was broadcasted on yle-tv as a sort of new years present......) but i guess anyone who is a bit into JMJ should try to listen to this anyway because a lot of the old compositions are re-arranged for this concert and there is quite some new music as well from the yet unreleased Aero album. tony/rotterdam From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:43 am Subject: JMJ-Aero concert sun. 16/3/2003 Hello All, for those of you who are interested in listening to this concert via web-radio, the address for this broadcast is as follows : www.omroep.nl/nps/4fm/ you can already check this address now there is already a large item about JMJ, mostly in dutch but bio etc. is in english. best regards, tony/rotterdam Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39681 Re: JMJ-Aero concert sun. 16/3/2003 Robert Asmus plastics67 Mon 3/10/2003 3 KB From: 'pink_d_floyd' Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 5:29 am Subject: Test From: lseck@m... Date: Sun Mar 9, 2003 9:29 pm Subject: TT1 availability and kudos Greeting's to all, I've been in lurk mode for awhile and figured I'd ask a question and give props.. I've been listening to there music now for over 30 years. if only.. First the props. I dl'ed the tt2 and tt3 trees and I'm just amazed at the quality of these trees..The artwork is just awesome.. Whomever conceived these projects gets a huge pat on the back!! Nicely done indeed.. Which brings me to the question part.. I grabed these off the site '.de' ( thank you admin!!) and I was wondering if someone could be so kind as to point me in the direction as to obtain the first set via ftp?? I can do 1200 kbps I'd be indebted forever... Thanks again to the creators and for your help!! I'll be listening to TD for the next monthy at least, such great material!! :) Len Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39710 Re: TT1 availability and kudos Thomas Gerardy tomg180027 Tue 3/11/2003 4 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:59 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Outside the TD World > > >BTW 'Sentenced' is a finnish group (the only one I'm aware of). >It's Death Metal but tends to be more melodic > >Regards, >Art And now to get completely off topic: Well... here´s a couple of more pretty well-known acts from Finland: - Amorphis (the last two albums are great proggish metal, like mixing Hawkwind with Metallica) - HIM (dark alternative rock, they had a no. 1 hit in Germany) - Apocalyptica (4 cellists playing heavy metal - great stuff! Imagine 4 long-haired, leather-clad dudes head-banging and ripping the sh... out of their cellos.) - Thy Serpent (black progressive metal) - Let me Dream (dark metal) - Nightwish (cheesy symphonic metal, like crossing Helloween with Andrew Lloyd Webber, employing a female opera singer) - Hanoi Rocks / Michael Monroe (still a sleaze.rock classic) - Two Witches (goth rock legend) Less famous outside of Finland, but highly recommendable: - CMX (weird but enthralling musical mixture) - Ismo Alanko - Kingston Wall (prog legend from the 70s) - Värttina And... if you´re in for a big laugh, try: - M.A. Numminen (he once did an album where he sang Wittgenstein and his vocal style is strange to say the least) So...that´s for starters... I bet our Finnish friends on the list will have more to add. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 11:51 am Subject: Antwort: [tadream] Outside The TD World Hallo All, is's very interesting the very different styles that listed on the answers. Such old rarities as Frank Zappa, King Crimson and all the other stuff. At Saturday I have listened to some very old Zappa stuff from the Olda Masters Boxes (Volume I-II) Yes I have the old vinyl record box.-sets. Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards Edgar Rainer Berberich ------------------------------------------------------------- Über das Internet versandte E-mails können leicht verfälscht oder unter fremdem Namen erstellt werden. Demzufolge müssen wir zu Ihrer und unserer Sicherheit die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit der vorstehenden Erklärungen ausschließen. Der Versand von E-mail dient somit ausschließlich dem Informationsaustausch. 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[mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 4:43 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] JMJ-Aero concert sun. 16/3/2003 Hello All, for those of you who are interested in listening to this concert via web-radio, the address for this broadcast is as follows : www.omroep.nl/nps/4fm/ you can already check this address now there is already a large item about JMJ, mostly in dutch but bio etc. is in english. best regards, tony/rotterdam ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Erik Sanborn Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 1:35 pm Subject: Re: new video file 'Hyperborea' Piotr, Will this appear on the next Miramar DVD entitled, 'Arctic Dreams'? :-) Very well done. I enjoyed this. Best regards, Erik At 05:25 PM 3/9/2003 +0000, you wrote: > Date: Sat, 8 Mar 2003 21:11:22 +0100 > From: 'Piotr Millennium 3' >Subject: new video file 'Hyperborea' > >Hi, > >You can download a new video file 'Hyperborea' (ca 14 MBytes) made by the >'Palacz and Millennium Production' >here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/hyperborea.zip > > >Pozdrawiam > >Piotr S. 'Millennium' > >Strona zawieraj±ca informacje o nieoficjalnych >nagraniach Tangerine Dream : >http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > > From: 'braddito' Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 4:31 pm Subject: Re: Who Does What? Croydon 76 - Edgar played piano. I was in the third row of the choir area (looks down on to the stage) for my first TD concert. His guitar solo was a highlight as he wandered across the stage, turned towards us and really got in to piece. Toby --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Morgan Feldon wrote: > There were 98 concerts from 1975-1977 and nobody here on the list knows > anyone who attended any of those shows who remembers who played the piano? > > *sigh* > > TD is a mystery even amongst its fans. > > -Morgan From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 5:12 pm Subject: Piotr's Video WOW! Do you make videos professionally? And if no, WHY NOT? Absolutely Spectacular! James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39689 Re: Piotr's Video Phil White blancmanuk Mon 3/10/2003 2 KB 39709 Re: Piotr's Video Derek Hicks creative_operator Tue 3/11/2003 3 KB 39716 Re: Piotr's Video Armin Theissen armin_theissen Tue 3/11/2003 4 KB 39718 Re: Piotr's Video Antonio Nunes ajogon Tue 3/11/2003 2 KB 39720 Re: Piotr's Video Janet Wojtecki caw8429 Tue 3/11/2003 3 KB 39722 Re: Piotr's Video Antonio Nunes ajogon Tue 3/11/2003 3 KB From: Paul Fellows Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 6:01 pm Subject: [tadream] Ruling the waves Hi all, I remember seeing a message from someone recently claiming that the missing track from the Melrose years set was already on the TDI site, was this true and if so can you please repeat the instructions about the jukebox because I can't see it there... Paul Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39687 Re: Ruling the waves billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 3/10/2003 2 KB 39688 Re: Ruling the waves Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Mon 3/10/2003 2 KB 39702 Re: Ruling the waves TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 3/11/2003 3 KB 39731 Re: Ruling the waves davespicer99 davespicer99 Wed 3/12/2003 2 KB From: 'Janet Wojtecki' Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Who Does What? Toby is right. For the 75 and 76 pieces that I witnessed, where the second set starts with a piano piece. It was Edgar playing. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: 'braddito' To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 4:31 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Who Does What? > Croydon 76 - Edgar played piano. I was in the third row of the choir > area (looks down on to the stage) for my first TD concert. His guitar > solo was a highlight as he wandered across the stage, turned towards > us and really got in to piece. > > Toby > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Morgan Feldon wrote: > > There were 98 concerts from 1975-1977 and nobody here on the list > knows > > anyone who attended any of those shows who remembers who played the > piano? > > > > *sigh* > > > > TD is a mystery even amongst its fans. > > > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'billythefish01' Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 6:30 pm Subject: Re: Ruling the waves I seem to remember that the instructions were to open Outland and let it play 78 times. The post was followed by a wink (;-)) The guilty dreamer was a certain very upright character... Good point though. Where is it? Martin? Will it be on Mota Atma? TTFN BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Paul Fellows wrote: > Hi all, > > I remember seeing a message from someone recently claiming that the missing > track from the Melrose years set was already on the TDI site, was this true > and if so can you please repeat the instructions about the jukebox because I > can't see it there... > > Paul From: 'Sean Montgomery' Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 6:53 pm Subject: Re: Ruling the waves I asked TDI about 'Ruling the Waves' last week (when in doubt, go to the source!) I was told that they hope to have an mp3 of the track available for download sometime this week. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39702 Re: Ruling the waves TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 3/11/2003 3 KB 39731 Re: Ruling the waves davespicer99 davespicer99 Wed 3/12/2003 2 KB From: 'Phil White' Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 7:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Piotr's Video Where do I find Piotr's celebrated video guys...? Cheers Phil From: moxica@a... Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 7:27 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups I've been seeing some of the Tangerine Trees popping up in the alt.binaries.mp3.electronic newsgroup lately. (I say 'lately' as I just started looking through newsgroups recently -- they could have been out there for some time). Technically, I can't think of a reason this is wrong, as the music is being freely distributed with the band's permission anyway, but something about seeing it in a newsgroup doesn't feel right. Thoughts? Also, Marcel, I've seen an FSP album go by every once in a while. I didn't recall the album names, but they weren't ones I owned And, no, I didn't download the files -- I don't download any media that I know or believe to be copyrighted unless I already possess the proper original media in one form or another. Now, porn is another story... [Just kidding! :-) ] - jim -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39696 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Mon 3/10/2003 3 KB 39697 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Robert Asmus plastics67 Tue 3/11/2003 4 KB 39715 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Marcel Engels mars103nl Tue 3/11/2003 3 KB 39725 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Jim Moore moxica93 Tue 3/11/2003 2 KB 39726 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Robert Asmus plastics67 Wed 3/12/2003 3 KB 39727 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Robert Asmus plastics67 Wed 3/12/2003 4 KB 39730 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups mengels@w... mars103nl Wed 3/12/2003 3 KB 39717 Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups strat95@b... strat9500 Tue 3/11/2003 3 KB 39729 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Heiko Heerssen td_freak Wed 3/12/2003 3 KB From: 'Janet Wojtecki' Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 8:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] new video file 'Hyperborea' Bravo Piotr, Milo bylo poznacz cie! Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Piotr Millennium 3' To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 8:11 PM Subject: [tadream] new video file 'Hyperborea' > Hi, > > You can download a new video file 'Hyperborea' (ca 14 MBytes) made by the 'Palacz and Millennium Production' > here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/hyperborea.zip > > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. 'Millennium' > > Strona zawierajca informacje o nieoficjalnych > nagraniach Tangerine Dream : > http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Liondream@a... Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 8:50 pm Subject: Re: piano Right or wrong... from that period I always thought it was E.F. P.B. electric piano on Desert Dream. J.S. later on during the FFS years. Would be interesting to know for sure. Message: 7 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 16:52:01 -0600 From: Morgan Feldon Subject: Re: Who Does What? There were 98 concerts from 1975-1977 and nobody here on the list knows anyone who attended any of those shows who remembers who played the piano? *sigh* TD is a mystery even amongst its fans. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39695 Re: piano Matthew Stringer Mon 3/10/2003 3 KB 39703 Re: piano Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Tue 3/11/2003 2 KB From: Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Astoria boot Great news, thx!! __________________________ Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.klausmusic.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > An audience recording of this show will be part of 'Tangerine > Tree Vol. 4'. > Apart from this I know that at least four different > recordings do exist, but > so far only heard one (and this one is great :-) > > Heiko > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: herold.u@t... Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] new video file 'Hyperborea' Hi Piotr, absolutely fantastic! A great job, is there more to come??? Cheers, Uwe ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Piotr Millennium 3' To: Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:11 PM Subject: [tadream] new video file 'Hyperborea' > Hi, > > You can download a new video file 'Hyperborea' (ca 14 MBytes) made by the 'Palacz and Millennium Production' > here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/hyperborea.zip > > > Pozdrawiam > > Piotr S. 'Millennium' > > Strona zawieraj±ca informacje o nieoficjalnych > nagraniach Tangerine Dream : > http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39698 Re: new video file 'Hyperborea' Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Tue 3/11/2003 3 KB From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 9:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: piano I reckon that too. EF is usually credited for the piano parts for the albums released during that time, which indicates him further. -----Original Message----- From: Liondream@a... [mailto:Liondream@a...] Sent: 10 March 2003 20:51 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: piano Right or wrong... from that period I always thought it was E.F. P.B. electric piano on Desert Dream. J.S. later on during the FFS years. Would be interesting to know for sure. Message: 7 Date: Sun, 09 Mar 2003 16:52:01 -0600 From: Morgan Feldon Subject: Re: Who Does What? There were 98 concerts from 1975-1977 and nobody here on the list knows anyone who attended any of those shows who remembers who played the piano? *sigh* TD is a mystery even amongst its fans. -Morgan ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ### This email has been checked for all known viruses by the ### Firstnet anti-virus system - http://www.firstnet.net.uk ### Please email fav@f... for details. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39703 Re: piano Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Tue 3/11/2003 2 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 10:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups From: > I've been seeing some of the Tangerine Trees popping up in the > alt.binaries.mp3.electronic newsgroup lately. (I say 'lately' as I just > started looking through newsgroups recently -- they could have been out there > for some time). Technically, I can't think of a reason this is wrong, as the > music is being freely distributed with the band's permission anyway, but > something about seeing it in a newsgroup doesn't feel right. Thoughts? I spotted them too, did a double take and grinned like an idiot. I think it's nice to see the project popping up in unexpected places. As for it 'not feeling right', I only became annoyed when one person started bitching about the posting format, and not really appreciating the material that was being made available or the time and effort that went into making it. Oh, and the poster was uploading the wrong covers... Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39697 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Robert Asmus plastics67 Tue 3/11/2003 4 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 12:30 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Sorry bout putting the wrong covers up. I think I only put one cover up and it was from the set of TT1 shn disk's that was mailed to me from somebody in Germany. The only reason I put them up in mp3 format was to spread the free trade of the sets. Also just to let everybody know. Tangerine Dream has been added to the free trade on Furthurnet's P2P program. Also here is a good praise that I have received in one of my emails: Hello... Thanks for posting the Tangerine Dream Warsaw Concert Bootleg, I did not know that a Series of Live Bootlegs existed for TD...don't suppose you have any others have you, or could you point me in the right direction please??? Thanks... Dunkie (Web-Master of JARRE UK) http://www.jarreuk.com dunkie@j... If I have offended anybody I am sorry. My last post did not include any cover art. Robert Asmus. P.S. If it is ok with the group I would like to continue my post's. Just to let the group know I have been making my mp3 post's at a 320 bit rate so as to make them the highest quality mp3 I could make available. -----Original Message----- From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@b...] Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 5:31 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups From: > I've been seeing some of the Tangerine Trees popping up in the > alt.binaries.mp3.electronic newsgroup lately. (I say 'lately' as I just > started looking through newsgroups recently -- they could have been out there > for some time). Technically, I can't think of a reason this is wrong, as the > music is being freely distributed with the band's permission anyway, but > something about seeing it in a newsgroup doesn't feel right. Thoughts? I spotted them too, did a double take and grinned like an idiot. I think it's nice to see the project popping up in unexpected places. As for it 'not feeling right', I only became annoyed when one person started bitching about the posting format, and not really appreciating the material that was being made available or the time and effort that went into making it. Oh, and the poster was uploading the wrong covers... Maff ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Yanick Vigneault' Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 1:21 am Subject: Re: new video file 'Hyperborea' BRAVO Piotr! Your video is in the spirit of this great TD piece... Like Herold, I hope that you will make projects like this one. Best regards! Yanick Vigneault --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, herold.u@t... wrote: > Hi Piotr, > > absolutely fantastic! > A great job, is there more to come??? > > Cheers, > Uwe > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Piotr Millennium 3' > To: > Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2003 9:11 PM > Subject: [tadream] new video file 'Hyperborea' > > > > Hi, > > > > You can download a new video file 'Hyperborea' (ca 14 MBytes) made by the > 'Palacz and Millennium Production' > > here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/hyperborea.zip > > > > > > Pozdrawiam > > > > Piotr S. 'Millennium' > > > > Strona zawieraj±ca informacje o nieoficjalnych > > nagraniach Tangerine Dream : > > http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > From: Jens Kilian Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 7:35 am Subject: Re: Outside the TD World > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:59:58 +0100 > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [...] > Less famous outside of Finland, but highly recommendable: > - CMX (weird but enthralling musical mixture) > - Ismo Alanko > - Kingston Wall (prog legend from the 70s) > - Värttina Oooh, another Värttinä fan :-) If you're into that kind of thing, you may want to also try Hedningarna and Gjallarhorn, and possibly (straying into the Celtic folk realm) Tri Yann or Afro-Celt Sound System. Bye, Jens. -- mailto:jjk@a... phone:+49-7031-464-7698 (TELNET 778-7698) http://www.bawue.de/~jjk/ fax:+49-7031-464-7351 As the air to a bird, or the sea to a fish, so is contempt to the contemptible. [Blake] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39700 Re: Outside the TD World Marko Marin rubyconist Tue 3/11/2003 2 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 7:48 am Subject: [tadream] Re: Outside the TD World From Finland you can also find Rihmasto. Very minimalistic. Even spooky sometimes (especially Kantajan takauma). Check it out. 'http://artists.mp3s.com/artists/10/rihmasto.html' Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 8:52 am Subject: Re: JMJ-Broadcast Hi Robert, In holland we have GMT+1 so i guess east coast US time must be somewhere around 13:00/14:00 noon ?? believe we have 6 or 7 hours time difference and we still have 'wintertime' here in europe.. hope this helps.. tony/rotterdam > Message: 16 > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:04:37 -0500 > From: 'Robert Asmus' > Subject: RE: JMJ-Aero concert sun. 16/3/2003 > > What Time is the show on the East Coast of United States? > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: tony.vandergaag@p... > [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...] > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 4:43 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] JMJ-Aero concert sun. 16/3/2003 > > > Hello All, > > for those of you who are interested in listening to this concert via > web-radio, the address for this broadcast is as follows : > > www.omroep.nl/nps/4fm/ > > you can already check this address now there is already a large item > about JMJ, > mostly in dutch but bio etc. is in english. > > best regards, > > tony/rotterdam Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39704 Re: JMJ-Broadcast Robert Asmus plastics67 Tue 3/11/2003 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 10:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Ruling the waves At 18:53 10.03.03, you wrote: >I asked TDI about 'Ruling the Waves' last week (when in doubt, go to >the source!) I was told that they hope to have an mp3 of the track >available for download sometime this week. Dear list, let´s put it like this... the reason that the track has not been posted yet is that we are having some trouble with our web programmers and, at the moment, do not have time to take care of this ourselves. The track will be posted, though, and we hope it will be up by the end of the week (...don´t kill me if it takes til mid next week, though...) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39731 Re: Ruling the waves davespicer99 davespicer99 Wed 3/12/2003 2 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 10:33 am Subject: Re: piano --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Matthew Stringer' wrote: > I reckon that too. > > EF is usually credited for the piano parts for the albums released > during that time, which indicates him further. Remember that Edgar revived his piano-playing role for the 1996 Shepherds Bush concert. To be more specific, he shared this role with Linda Spa. And he was really playing, not miming. Glynn From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 11:16 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: JMJ-Broadcast Thanks Tony...... -----Original Message----- From: tony.vandergaag@p... [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 3:53 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: JMJ-Broadcast Hi Robert, In holland we have GMT+1 so i guess east coast US time must be somewhere around 13:00/14:00 noon ?? believe we have 6 or 7 hours time difference and we still have 'wintertime' here in europe.. hope this helps.. tony/rotterdam > Message: 16 > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 07:04:37 -0500 > From: 'Robert Asmus' > Subject: RE: JMJ-Aero concert sun. 16/3/2003 > > What Time is the show on the East Coast of United States? > > Robert > > -----Original Message----- > From: tony.vandergaag@p... > [mailto:tony.vandergaag@p...] > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 4:43 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] JMJ-Aero concert sun. 16/3/2003 > > > Hello All, > > for those of you who are interested in listening to this concert via > web-radio, the address for this broadcast is as follows : > > www.omroep.nl/nps/4fm/ > > you can already check this address now there is already a large item > about JMJ, > mostly in dutch but bio etc. is in english. > > best regards, > > tony/rotterdam ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 11:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: piano I was at that Shephards bush gig too. Edgar started playing then was tapped on the shoulder by Linda, as if to say thats enough, where Edgar then got up, Linda sat down and carried on......!!!! PAulus.d! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Glynn Naughton' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 10:33 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: piano > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Matthew Stringer' wrote: > > I reckon that too. > > > > EF is usually credited for the piano parts for the albums released > > during that time, which indicates him further. > > Remember that Edgar revived his piano-playing role for the 1996 > Shepherds Bush concert. To be more specific, he shared this role with > Linda Spa. > > And he was really playing, not miming. > > Glynn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 12:27 pm Subject: new postage rates / homepage mini-update Hi all, the german mail service has done it again - a steep price increase effective March 1st, making postage rates from Germany even more ridiculous than they already were. For example, a 1kg air mail packet now costs Euros 12.30 (Europe,+27%) or 21.- (World,+28%). Don't blame you German trade partners, this is the sad truth. I have updated some files on my homepage to reflect this change, and added a few news to my swaplist. See http://www.caby.de/downloads/porto_2003.pdf for the full list of new postage rates. best regards, klaus From: Bradley Duke/Cambridge/IBM Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 12:48 pm Subject: Patrolling Space Borders Hi, Does anyone have a jpeg of the inserts for this boot they could post? Thanks. Brad (the anal one) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39713 Re: Patrolling Space Borders jarek@w... jerryplpl Tue 3/11/2003 2 KB 39757 Re: Patrolling Space Borders bduke252003 bduke252003 Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB 39764 Re: Patrolling Space Borders jarek@w... jerryplpl Thu 3/13/2003 3 KB From: 'Brad Kuhn' Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 1:06 pm Subject: Graham Speake - Please Contact Me Folks- Sorry about the waste of bandwidth here, but I can't find Graham's email address in the TT3 database. I'm your supplier and I will be in possession of the TT3 SHN set later this week. Please drop me an email. Thanks! B From: 'Derek Hicks' Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 8:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Piotr's Video You can download the new video file 'Hyperborea' (ca 14 MBytes) made by the 'Palacz and Millennium Production' here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/hyperborea.zi Regards Derek ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Phil White' To: Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 7:00 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Piotr's Video > Where do I find Piotr's celebrated video guys...? > > Cheers Phil > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Thomas Gerardy' Date: Mon Mar 10, 2003 2:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT1 availability and kudos I'm actually in a similar position, I was hanging out on the wrong list and didn't find out until somebody cross posted something about the TT. Got here for 2 and 3 but missed #1. If someone could recycle it onto ftp after TT3 dies down let me know as well, it would be much appreciated. --tom On Sunday, March 9, 2003, at 02:29 PM, lseck@m... wrote: > Greeting's to all, > > I've been in lurk mode for awhile and figured I'd ask a question and > give > props.. > > I've been listening to there music now for over 30 years. > if only.. > First the props. > I dl'ed the tt2 and tt3 trees and I'm just amazed at the quality of > these > trees..The artwork is just awesome.. > Whomever conceived these projects gets a huge pat on the back!! Nicely > done > indeed.. > > Which brings me to the question part.. > > I grabed these off the site '.de' ( thank you admin!!) > and I was wondering if someone could be so kind as to point me in the > direction as to obtain the first set via ftp?? > > I can do 1200 kbps > I'd be indebted forever... > Thanks again to the creators and for your help!! > I'll be listening to TD for the next monthy at least, such great > material!! > > :) > > Len > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: KWBeal Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 3:17 pm Subject: Looking for> Michael Fox Sorry to disturb you all, but I looking for Michael Fox. The last known email address I have is: mfox@i... Michael if you are out there, please contact me asap. -OR- If anyone knows of Michael's where-abouts, please contact me.. TIA, Ken From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 4:51 pm Subject: re failed mindset >I think it is a failed mindset to expect artists to improve all the time Improve is so subjective--just think of the musician as art itself and the picture is complete. However, far be it from me to tell you how to think. ;) --T 'expectation is a prison' _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 4:55 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Patrolling Space Borders Got front, back & cd label __________________________ Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.klausmusic.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > Hi, > Does anyone have a jpeg of the inserts for this boot they could post? > Thanks. > > Brad (the anal one) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39757 Re: Patrolling Space Borders bduke252003 bduke252003 Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB 39764 Re: Patrolling Space Borders jarek@w... jerryplpl Thu 3/13/2003 3 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 5:21 pm Subject: TD on furthurnet.org > Also just to let everybody know. > Tangerine Dream has been added to the free trade on Furthurnet's P2P > program. I really wonder... it's about a year ago that I last looked, and at that time, furthurnet required a mail from the band to them before they put the band on the 'taper friendly' list. Not just a copy of the quote of a mail from TDI to one individual fan... Whatever, just bear in mind that the band (or TDI, in our case) are not the only ones having a say in the prosecution or non-prosecution of certain activities ;-) cheers, klaus From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 5:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups > From: moxica@a... [mailto:moxica@a...] > > Also, Marcel, I've seen an FSP album go by every once in a > while. I didn't > recall the album names, but they weren't ones I owned And, > no, I didn't > download the files -- I don't download any media that I know > or believe to be > copyrighted unless I already possess the proper original > media in one form or > another. Hi Jim I also check some newsgroups from time to time and I saw a few of my albums passing by. At one end I'm flattered that I'm in the newsgroups (it may be a bit of promotion), at the other end I have a bad/weird feeling about it, people not buying the album and supporting the artist. Sadly I cannot do anything about it, but to say: I will put my lawyers on it. (if I had them :-)) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39725 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Jim Moore moxica93 Tue 3/11/2003 2 KB 39726 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Robert Asmus plastics67 Wed 3/12/2003 3 KB 39727 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Robert Asmus plastics67 Wed 3/12/2003 4 KB 39730 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups mengels@w... mars103nl Wed 3/12/2003 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 5:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Piotr's Video ...and what tool do you need to play it? a. Derek Hicks wrote: > You can download the new video file 'Hyperborea' (ca 14 MBytes) made by the > 'Palacz and Millennium Production' > here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/hyperborea.zi > > Regards > Derek > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Phil White' > To: > Sent: Monday, March 10, 2003 7:00 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Piotr's Video > > > >>Where do I find Piotr's celebrated video guys...? >> >>Cheers Phil >> >>----------------------------------------------------_- >>To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >>----------------------------------------------------_- >>Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >>http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ >> >>Tangerine Tree info at >>http://www.tadream.net/tree >> >>Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> >> >> > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 6:00 pm Subject: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups I started several sets of the first and second trees going on 2 different mailing lists I am a member of. I hope this is OK? I was trying to get more people onto them. I have heard positive responses from about 80% of the people that I know have received them. Just trying to spread the music..... Neal Message: 3 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 19:27:26 +0000 From: moxica@a... Subject: Tangerine Trees in the Newgroups I've been seeing some of the Tangerine Trees popping up in the alt.binaries.mp3.electronic newsgroup lately. (I say 'lately' as I just started looking through newsgroups recently -- they could have been out there for some time). Technically, I can't think of a reason this is wrong, as the music is being freely distributed with the band's permission anyway, but something about seeing it in a newsgroup doesn't feel right. Thoughts? Also, Marcel, I've seen an FSP album go by every once in a while. I didn't recall the album names, but they weren't ones I owned And, no, I didn't download the files -- I don't download any media that I know or believe to be copyrighted unless I already possess the proper original media in one form or another. Now, porn is another story... [Just kidding! :-) ] - jim -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 6:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Piotr's Video Armin Theissen wrote: > > ...and what tool do you need to play it? Windows Media Player. The file is in the format WMV, but you'll have to unzip it first. Antonio Nunes n.p. TT3 Vol.26 From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 6:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Outside the TD World In a message dated 3/11/2003 2:48:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, rubyconist@y... writes: > From Finland you can also find Rihmasto. Very > minimalistic. Even spooky sometimes (especially > Kantajan takauma). Check it out. On that note, another Finnish act is Pan sonic (formerly Panasonic). My friend says they're pretty good - kind of sparse electronic rhythm music. Pretty different from the other Finnish bands I mentioned before (all metal). --Daniel Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39723 Re: Outside the TD World Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Tue 3/11/2003 2 KB From: 'Janet Wojtecki' Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 7:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Piotr's Video Antonio, You're right , it is a wmv file. But older versions of Media Player may not recognise it. My Win '98 version (..?) certainly didn't, but fine on version 8 on XP. Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Antonio Nunes' To: Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 6:08 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Piotr's Video > > Armin Theissen wrote: > > > > ...and what tool do you need to play it? > > Windows Media Player. The file is in the format WMV, but you'll have to > unzip it first. > > Antonio Nunes > > n.p. TT3 Vol.26 > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Tom Richmond' Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 7:02 pm Subject: Tribute CD Tree Hello everyone: First a big thanks to Jerome Salyers for putting this project together in record time. And also to Yannick for the fine artwork. This one disc project, entitled 'Between the Stars', will be distributed using a Redbook CDR tree just like the Dreamwatchers' Tales projects. Artwork is the responsibility of each leaf/branch in the tree and is available here: http://www.geocities.com/coolbeansstudios/tribute_cd.html Anyone interested in participating can contact me at trichmond@b... with the following information: Name Location (City/State/Country) e-mail address Preferred Status (Leaf or Branch - if branch please let me know how many copies you'd be willing to do) Hopefully we can get this tree off the ground as quickly as Jerome and the contributors put it together! I'll take sign-ups for two weeks (until the 25th) and then put together a tree structure. If I'm in need of branch help in particular areas I'll ask prior to posting the structure. Cheers! Tom Richmond Menomonee Falls, WI ________________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you received this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and such actions may be unlawful. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39741 Re: Tribute CD Tree thomas.soucheleau@n... canadiurne Wed 3/12/2003 2 KB 39742 Re: Tribute CD Tree thomas.soucheleau@n... canadiurne Wed 3/12/2003 2 KB 39783 Re: Tribute CD Tree David Syrett syrettd Sat 3/15/2003 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 7:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Piotr's Video Janet Wojtecki wrote: > > You're right , it is a wmv file. But older versions of Media Player may not > recognise it. My Win '98 version (..?) certainly didn't, but fine on version > 8 on XP. My Windows 98 SE with an old version of Media Player (6.4) plays it all right. Anyway, if you can't play it in your Win98, you can upgrade your Media Player to version 9. Here is the URL: http://www.microsoft.com/windows/windowsmedia/9series/player.aspx Antonio Nunes still playing TT3 Vol.26 From: 'Yanick Vigneault' Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 9:16 pm Subject: Re: Outside the TD World I saw Pan sonic last year with Merzbow at New Music Festival (FIMAV http://www.fimav.qc.ca) in Victoriaville (my birth place), Quebec, Canada . Very pure 'noisy' show. I like very much their approach! Yanick --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, quarlie@a... wrote: > In a message dated 3/11/2003 2:48:09 AM Eastern Standard Time, rubyconist@y... writes: > > > From Finland you can also find Rihmasto. Very > > minimalistic. Even spooky sometimes (especially > > Kantajan takauma). Check it out. > > On that note, another Finnish act is Pan sonic (formerly Panasonic). My friend says they're pretty good - kind of sparse electronic rhythm music. Pretty different from the other Finnish bands I mentioned before (all metal). > > --Daniel From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 9:35 pm Subject: Semi-OT: Norwegian synth musicians Heysann, This pertains only to Norwegian synth players so the rest will be in Norwegian: Jeg skal arrangere en utendørs multimedia-konsert i Hønefoss på sensommeren og trenger tre musikere som er interessert i å spille musikk av typen Jarre, Vangelis og Tangerine Dream i en live-sammenheng. Man må påregne å bli 'dirigert' av kunstnerisk leder (meg). Det vil bli betalt lønn. For mer info, send en blank mail til: konsert@f... Hilsen Glenn Folkvord Innehaver, Hyperion Media - kultur og mediautvikling glenn@f... From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 10:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Last night I saw Okeefenokee Dreams on the newsgroup, too. Oh well... - jim From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...] I also check some newsgroups from time to time and I saw a few of my albums passing by. At one end I'm flattered that I'm in the newsgroups (it may be a bit of promotion), at the other end I have a bad/weird feeling about it, people not buying the album and supporting the artist. Sadly I cannot do anything about it, but to say: I will put my lawyers on it. (if I had them :-)) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39726 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Robert Asmus plastics67 Wed 3/12/2003 3 KB 39727 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Robert Asmus plastics67 Wed 3/12/2003 4 KB 39730 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups mengels@w... mars103nl Wed 3/12/2003 3 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:09 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Well I have had seen only one negative comment to my posting of TD shows in the news groups. And from what I heard the complainer is a wanna be dictator by telling people what should be posted in the Electronic News Group and how it should be posted. I did have a response from a member that suggested that I post in the bootleg news group. If any body has any thing negative to say about that please let me know as I will only be making one post a week. Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@a...] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:45 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Last night I saw Okeefenokee Dreams on the newsgroup, too. Oh well... - jim From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...] I also check some newsgroups from time to time and I saw a few of my albums passing by. At one end I'm flattered that I'm in the newsgroups (it may be a bit of promotion), at the other end I have a bad/weird feeling about it, people not buying the album and supporting the artist. Sadly I cannot do anything about it, but to say: I will put my lawyers on it. (if I had them :-)) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39727 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Robert Asmus plastics67 Wed 3/12/2003 4 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:43 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups It seem's my posting of the live shows has sparked some Tangerine Dream interest. As I took a peek at the bootleg news group and I saw somebody else has started posting shows. Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: Robert Asmus [mailto:asmus0324@c...] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 8:10 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Well I have had seen only one negative comment to my posting of TD shows in the news groups. And from what I heard the complainer is a wanna be dictator by telling people what should be posted in the Electronic News Group and how it should be posted. I did have a response from a member that suggested that I post in the bootleg news group. If any body has any thing negative to say about that please let me know as I will only be making one post a week. Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@a...] Sent: Tuesday, March 11, 2003 5:45 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Last night I saw Okeefenokee Dreams on the newsgroup, too. Oh well... - jim From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...] I also check some newsgroups from time to time and I saw a few of my albums passing by. At one end I'm flattered that I'm in the newsgroups (it may be a bit of promotion), at the other end I have a bad/weird feeling about it, people not buying the album and supporting the artist. Sadly I cannot do anything about it, but to say: I will put my lawyers on it. (if I had them :-)) ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'ethiessen1' Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 2:23 am Subject: ISO: Miles MacMillan & Kevin Keller Re: TT3 There is no email address for either of you in the database-you are my leaves for TT 3-it would be good to hear from you if you still want the set. Eric From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 6:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups > I started several sets of the first and second trees going on 2 different > mailing lists I am a member of. I hope this is OK? I was trying to get more > people onto them. I have heard positive responses from about 80% of the > people that I know have received them. Hello Neal, if possible please give me the names and mailing addresses of those 20% that didn't like TT But to answer your question, of course it was ok of you to do this. As long as there is no profit-making I am happy that the tree is growing outside the 'TD garden' :-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39733 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Antonio Nunes ajogon Wed 3/12/2003 2 KB 39735 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Robert Asmus plastics67 Wed 3/12/2003 3 KB 39736 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Robert Asmus plastics67 Wed 3/12/2003 4 KB 39745 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups flibbleblah flibbleblah Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB From: mengels@w... Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 8:15 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups I noticed it too. I also noticed that there are 2 the same persons who constantly upload these albums. I even have a feeling they are on this list (although I'm not sure, it's just a feeling...I'm not accusing anyone). I can only hope that the people who download the albums and like them will buy them...if not, delete them. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Citeren Jim Moore : > Last night I saw Okeefenokee Dreams on the newsgroup, too. Oh well... > > - jim > > From: Marcel Engels [mailto:mengels@w...] > I also check some newsgroups from time to time and I saw > a few of my albums passing by. > At one end I'm flattered that I'm in the newsgroups (it may > be a bit of promotion), at the other end I have a bad/weird feeling about > it, people not buying the album and supporting the artist. Sadly I cannot > do > anything about it, but to say: I will put my lawyers on it. (if I had them > :-)) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > __________________________________________________________ http://www.wanadoo.nl/ From: 'davespicer99' Date: Tue Mar 11, 2003 2:24 pm Subject: Re: Ruling the waves > > let´s put it like this... the reason that the track has not been posted yet > is that we are having some trouble with our web programmers and, at the > moment, do not have time to take care of this ourselves. The track will be > posted, though, and we hope it will be up by the end of the week (...don´t > kill me if it takes til mid next week, though...) > > Great news! Any chance of it being put up in a lossless format, such as shn, rather than grotty old mp3? -- Dave From: 'kobaiannative' Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 9:09 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, moxica@a... wrote: > I've been seeing some of the Tangerine Trees popping up in the > alt.binaries.mp3.electronic newsgroup lately. (I say 'lately' as I just I've been trying to find this alt.binaries.mp3.electronic newsgroup for about the last half hour. Anyone know how I can get access? I tried to looking the relevent posts up via google, but they don't list any alt.binaries newsgroups. From: 'Antonio Nunes' Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 10:57 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > But to answer your question, of course it was ok of you to do this. > As long as > there is no profit-making I am happy that the tree is growing outside the 'TD garden' :-) In order to reinforce this non-profit rule, I'd like to suggest that the posters always upload the original covers with the 'Never sell or buy, trade freely' note. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39735 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Robert Asmus plastics67 Wed 3/12/2003 3 KB 39736 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Robert Asmus plastics67 Wed 3/12/2003 4 KB 39745 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups flibbleblah flibbleblah Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB From: 'colin anderson' Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 11:28 am Subject: Re: Piotr's video Am I missing something - when I follow the link for this, a zip file is downloaded, but I can't open it as a corrupted message appears..... Message: 19 Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:12:47 -0600 From: 'Owens, James' Subject: Piotr's Video WOW! Do you make videos professionally? And if no, WHY NOT? Absolutely Spectacular! James [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39737 Re: Piotr's video billythefish01 billythefish01 Wed 3/12/2003 2 KB 39738 Re: Piotr's video David Wakefield bolosun Wed 3/12/2003 3 KB 39743 Re: Piotr's video Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Wed 3/12/2003 3 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 11:30 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Ok I have posted the artwork for the shows that I have posted onto the news groups. I have also added 'Never Buy or Sell - Trade Freely' to the header of the artwork posts that I have done. Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:hyperborean@m...] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:57 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > But to answer your question, of course it was ok of you to do this. > As long as > there is no profit-making I am happy that the tree is growing outside the 'TD garden' :-) In order to reinforce this non-profit rule, I'd like to suggest that the posters always upload the original covers with the 'Never sell or buy, trade freely' note. Antonio Nunes ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39736 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Robert Asmus plastics67 Wed 3/12/2003 4 KB 39745 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups flibbleblah flibbleblah Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 11:34 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups I am only going to post TT1 as 2 and 3 are still very easy for people to get when they join the group. My intentions were to let fans of Tangerine Dream know about the Tree Project that may have never heard of it. -----Original Message----- From: Robert Asmus [mailto:asmus0324@c...] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 6:31 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups Ok I have posted the artwork for the shows that I have posted onto the news groups. I have also added 'Never Buy or Sell - Trade Freely' to the header of the artwork posts that I have done. Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: Antonio Nunes [mailto:hyperborean@m...] Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 5:57 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > But to answer your question, of course it was ok of you to do this. > As long as > there is no profit-making I am happy that the tree is growing outside the 'TD garden' :-) In order to reinforce this non-profit rule, I'd like to suggest that the posters always upload the original covers with the 'Never sell or buy, trade freely' note. Antonio Nunes ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39745 Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups flibbleblah flibbleblah Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB From: 'billythefish01' Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 1:39 pm Subject: Re: Piotr's video me too --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'colin anderson' wrote: > Am I missing something - when I follow the link for this, a zip file is downloaded, but I can't open it as a corrupted message appears..... > > > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:12:47 -0600 > From: 'Owens, James' > Subject: Piotr's Video > > WOW! > > Do you make videos professionally? And if no, WHY NOT? > > Absolutely Spectacular! > James > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'David Wakefield' Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 4:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Piotr's video Make sure the file is the complete 13.4mb. The first time I tried it completed at 7mb and was therefore corrupt. -------Original Message------- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 12 March 2003 13:40:17 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Piotr's video me too --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'colin anderson' wrote: > Am I missing something - when I follow the link for this, a zip file is downloaded, but I can't open it as a corrupted message appears..... > > > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:12:47 -0600 > From: 'Owens, James' > Subject: Piotr's Video > > WOW! > > Do you make videos professionally? And if no, WHY NOT? > > Absolutely Spectacular! > James > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Yanick Vigneault' Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 6:13 pm Subject: Personnal TD video project... Hi there! I made a small video when I followed my formation in multimedia in 1999: http://membres.lycos.fr/bill07/ I made it in one day. I know that there are some errors with the images of TD and their decade and also with the URL - www.tangerinedream.com - at the end of the file which is not the good one! Be lenient with me! There is no video sequence, only fixed jpg's images created with Adobe Premiere software. And there is no comparaison with the video of Piotr's (Hyperborea) who made a remarkable work! dREam oN! Yanick From: 'gyedid01' Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 6:34 pm Subject: quick question re: Mothers of Rain @ Astoria Hi, just a quick question about 'Mothers of Rain' as performed at the Astoria show: was it the 1988 version, or the remixed version from the _Optical Race_ reissue? Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39758 Re: quick question re: Mothers of Rain @ Astoria Colin Jouxson convention24 Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB 39762 Re: quick question re: Mothers of Rain @ Astoria gyedid01 gyedid01 Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB 39767 Re: quick question re: Mothers of Rain @ Astoria Colin Jouxson convention24 Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 11:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tribute CD Tree Hi, I can't resist the little glory of seing my name on a record sleeve so count me in. Name : Thomas Soucheleau Location : Paris, France e-mail address : thomas.soucheleau@n... Preferred Status : Leaf See you. Thomas. ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:01 am Subject: Re: Re: [tadream] Tribute CD Tree Oh, crap, I repied to the list instead of Tom. Sorry... ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 8:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Piotr's video I got the same!!!!! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'colin anderson' To: Sent: Wednesday, March 12, 2003 11:28 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: Piotr's video > Am I missing something - when I follow the link for this, a zip file is downloaded, but I can't open it as a corrupted message appears..... > > > Message: 19 > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2003 11:12:47 -0600 > From: 'Owens, James' > Subject: Piotr's Video > > WOW! > > Do you make videos professionally? And if no, WHY NOT? > > Absolutely Spectacular! > James > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: PENFOLD Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 5:10 am Subject: OT: new TD fan please welcome a potential new TD fan Paul Vincent Isaacson 03/12/03@9...:17am 2lb 12oz 14.5' APGAR 6/7 via emergency c-section @ Long Beach Memorial Medical Center. Dena had an Abrupted Placenta (i.e. when the placenta comes loose from the uterine wall, which triggers labor) Paul's resting in LBMMC's Neo-Natal Care Ward Dena's resting comfortably.....she'll be in hospital until at least this sunday Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39746 Re: OT: new TD fan mengels@w... mars103nl Thu 3/13/2003 3 KB 39748 Re: OT: new TD fan Robert Asmus plastics67 Thu 3/13/2003 3 KB 39749 Re: OT: new TD fan TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 3/13/2003 3 KB 39763 Re: OT: new TD fan Adele Outland outlanda60 Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB From: 'flibbleblah' Date: Wed Mar 12, 2003 5:27 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Tree MP3's in the Newsgroups --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Robert Asmus' wrote: > I am only going to post TT1 as 2 and 3 are still very easy for people > to get when they join the group. My intentions were to let fans of > Tangerine Dream know about the Tree Project that may have never heard of > it. Hi all, I'm new to the group. I hadn't heard of the Tree until recently, nor this group. I'm excited by the idea of hearing more of TD's concerts. I've read the info on the site, and would really like to participate in TT2 and TT3. Is TT2 all over now, though? (Please be patient with me, as I'm a newbie to this group... :) Regards, Matthew From: mengels@w... Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 7:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: new TD fan Congratulations Pete! Is it your first baby? Ours is now 5 months old and I'm enjoying it every bit as much as it was born! Have a great time and get some rest. :-) Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... >Citeren PENFOLD : > > please welcome a potential new TD fan > > Paul Vincent Isaacson > > 03/12/03@9...:17am > 2lb 12oz > 14.5' > APGAR 6/7 > via emergency c-section @ Long Beach Memorial Medical Center. > Dena had an Abrupted Placenta (i.e. when the placenta comes loose from the > > uterine wall, which triggers labor) > > Paul's resting in LBMMC's Neo-Natal Care Ward > Dena's resting comfortably.....she'll be in hospital until at least this > sunday > > Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° > mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead > http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html > Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 > 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the > > $$.....Damn!!!!! > 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven > Feldman > > Watch the Coasters Grow! at: > http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > __________________________________________________________ http://www.wanadoo.nl/ From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] More Astoria At 15:18 17.02.03, you wrote: >Why do you think he was miming the classical guitar? > >A friend of mine has a magic guitar effects box that can make >a piece of string tied to a plank sound like a Gibson. I assumed >he was just using an effects box. > >Dave W Actually, Zlatko used a special custom Ibanez guitar with an extra piezo pickup in the bridge that has a separate output. The piezo pickup will make the guitar sound just like an acoustic guitar (same principle as, for instance, on an electro-acoustic like the ovation. That´s the secret ... no miming on any of the guitar parts, I can assure you as I did the guitar setup myself. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 11:32 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: new TD fan Congrats to you and Dena :) And get your as much rest now as you will need much energy in the near future. As I speak from experience with my own son. Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: PENFOLD [mailto:penfold@a...] Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 12:10 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] OT: new TD fan please welcome a potential new TD fan Paul Vincent Isaacson 03/12/03@9...:17am 2lb 12oz 14.5' APGAR 6/7 via emergency c-section @ Long Beach Memorial Medical Center. Dena had an Abrupted Placenta (i.e. when the placenta comes loose from the uterine wall, which triggers labor) Paul's resting in LBMMC's Neo-Natal Care Ward Dena's resting comfortably.....she'll be in hospital until at least this sunday Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: new TD fan At 21:10 12.03.03, you wrote: >please welcome a potential new TD fan > >Paul Vincent Isaacson > >03/12/03@9...:17am >2lb 12oz >14.5' >APGAR 6/7 >via emergency c-section @ Long Beach Memorial Medical Center. > Dena had an Abrupted Placenta (i.e. when the placenta comes loose > from the >uterine wall, which triggers labor) > >Paul's resting in LBMMC's Neo-Natal Care Ward >Dena's resting comfortably.....she'll be in hospital until at least this >sunday > >Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° Cheers, Pete, congrats to you!!! Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Peter' Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 12:59 pm Subject: Satuts in Database for TT3 Hey everybody, I just tried to change my Status in the Database for TT3, as I have received the discs in the meantime. But all I have got is a message like this: ''Sorry. You do not have permissions to edit this Record'' That means, I can't change my Status, or?? Cheers PETE Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39753 Re: Satuts in Database for TT3 matthewsawyer matthewsawyer Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB From: Bradley Duke/Cambridge/IBM Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 1:11 pm Subject: Greek TD Flyer Hi, Did anyone happen to notice the Greek concert flyer for the Goblin's Club tour on Ebay? I didn't think they visited Greece on that tour. Am I wrong? Item # 2515449385 B Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39752 Re: Greek TD Flyer Heiko Heerssen td_freak Thu 3/13/2003 3 KB 39766 Re: Greek TD Flyer kostas karlis soluok Thu 3/13/2003 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 1:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Greek TD Flyer > Did anyone happen to notice the Greek concert flyer for the Goblin's Club > tour on Ebay? > I didn't think they visited Greece on that tour. Am I wrong? > Item # 2515449385 To quote Scott Plumer's 'Mysterious semblance: a Tangerine Dream chronology': 'June 23: Gazi, Athens, Greece. The show was originally scheduled for May 31 at the Lycabettus Theater. Gazi was an old gas factory. Gig was cancelled due to what TD termed 'troubles with the promoter not being able to provide what we needed' Heiko From: 'matthewsawyer' Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 1:48 pm Subject: Re: Satuts in Database for TT3 --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Peter' wrote: > ''Sorry. You do not have permissions to edit this Record'' > > That means, I can't change my Status, or?? The TT3 signup database is locked, presumably by Joe. Only he can unlock it so you cannot update your status at the moment. The other TT3 database, the branch/leaf assignments one that I set up, does not have a status field as a lot of people forget to update their status, which IMHO makes the field a bit pointless. I would suggest leaves just keep their branch informed when they recieve their copy, and if anyone finds their branch has gone AWOL post a message here asking for help or contact me via private email. Maff From: 'Michal Moroz' Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 2:14 pm Subject: TT3 Can somebody post me the link to the tt3 leaf / branch scheme? I can't find it on the lists homepage :) Greetings Micha³ From: Benny Rönnhager Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 10:44 am Subject: Tangerine Dream MIDI files? Hi dear list! I wonder if someone knows where to get MIDI files of Tangerine Dream? Everything is of interest... Best regards Benny Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39756 Re: Tangerine Dream MIDI files? Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB 39759 Re: Tangerine Dream MIDI files? Benny Rönnhager Thu 3/13/2003 3 KB From: 'Yanick Vigneault' Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 3:43 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream MIDI files? There : http://membres.lycos.fr/gilleshemery/ http://nicola.cont.it/td/TD_08.asp (http://nicola.cont.it - great TD site!) Ciao! --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Benny Rönnhager wrote: > Hi dear list! > > I wonder if someone knows where to get MIDI files of Tangerine Dream? > Everything is of interest... > > Best regards Benny Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39759 Re: Tangerine Dream MIDI files? Benny Rönnhager Thu 3/13/2003 3 KB From: 'bduke252003' Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 4:14 pm Subject: Re: Patrolling Space Borders --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, wrote: I couldn't seem to find the labels on your site.... > Got front, back & cd label > > __________________________ > Jarek 'Jerry' > mailto:jarek@w... > Visit my websites at: > http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > http://www.klausmusic.pl/ > http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > > > > Hi, > > Does anyone have a jpeg of the inserts for this boot they could post? > > Thanks. > > > > Brad (the anal one) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39764 Re: Patrolling Space Borders jarek@w... jerryplpl Thu 3/13/2003 3 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 4:38 pm Subject: Re: quick question re: Mothers of Rain @ Astoria --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'gyedid01' wrote: > Hi, just a quick question about 'Mothers of Rain' as performed at the > Astoria show: was it the 1988 version, or the remixed version from > the _Optical Race_ reissue? > > Gabe Hmmm very difficult to tell Gabe When those first bars of the Mothers kicked in,i was in absolute heaven,that was the highlight for me whether it was the original Optical Race release or the remix from the new 3CD,i swear theres only one Mothers,and this wasthe Original.HOW can we possibly tell? especially after guzzling to many over priced beers at the Astoria. Best regards Colin Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39762 Re: quick question re: Mothers of Rain @ Astoria gyedid01 gyedid01 Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB 39767 Re: quick question re: Mothers of Rain @ Astoria Colin Jouxson convention24 Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB From: Benny Rönnhager Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 4:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream MIDI files? Thanks a lot :-) Benny On Thursday, Mar 13, 2003, at 16:43 Europe/Stockholm, Yanick Vigneault wrote: > There : http://membres.lycos.fr/gilleshemery/ > http://nicola.cont.it/td/TD_08.asp > (http://nicola.cont.it - great TD site!) > > Ciao! > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Benny Rönnhager > wrote: >> Hi dear list! >> >> I wonder if someone knows where to get MIDI files of Tangerine > Dream? >> Everything is of interest... >> >> Best regards Benny > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 5:08 pm Subject: Re: Outside the TD world A few of my favorites: Yes King Crimson (and related) The Who Queen Kiss Uriah Heep Thin Lizzy Grateful Dead (mainly 72-74 era) Genesis Marillion (mainly Fish era) Hawkwind Deep Purple Iron Maiden Judas Priest Dixie Dregs/Steve Morse Band Zebra (shout out to Long Island's finest!!!!!!!!!) Frank Zappa Stravinsky Ligeti Stockhausen Steve Roach Jimi Hendrix Can Nektar Amon Duul II Guru Guru Focus Gong Steve Hillage Van Der Graaf Generator Anthony Phillips Ralph Towner Oregon The Byrds Allman Brothers Band Ozric Tentacles And lots of other really cool things too numerous to name!!!! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 5:08 pm Subject: Re: Outside the TD world A few of my favorites: Yes King Crimson (and related) The Who Queen Jeff Beck Kiss Uriah Heep Thin Lizzy Grateful Dead (mainly 72-74 era) Genesis Marillion (mainly Fish era) Hawkwind Deep Purple Iron Maiden Judas Priest Dixie Dregs/Steve Morse Band Zebra (shout out to Long Island's finest!!!!!!!!!) Frank Zappa Stravinsky Ligeti Stockhausen Steve Roach Jimi Hendrix Can Nektar Amon Duul II Guru Guru Focus Gong Steve Hillage Van Der Graaf Generator Anthony Phillips Ralph Towner Oregon The Byrds Allman Brothers Band Ozric Tentacles And lots of other really cool things too numerous to name!!!! ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com From: 'gyedid01' Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 5:28 pm Subject: Re: quick question re: Mothers of Rain @ Astoria --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Colin Jouxson' wrote: >i swear theres > only one Mothers,and this wasthe Original.HOW can we possibly tell? > especially after guzzling to many over priced beers at the Astoria. > Best regards > Colin Well, it could have been the 1986 UK tour version resurrected...what matters is that they played, and it's the only 'Melrose Years' track they played at the concert! (right?) Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39767 Re: quick question re: Mothers of Rain @ Astoria Colin Jouxson convention24 Thu 3/13/2003 2 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 5:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: new TD fan Welcome to our newest little Rarebird! At two pounds he has a long way to go to catch up. My best wishes to all of you. 8-Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: PENFOLD >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' >Subject: [tadream] OT: new TD fan >Date: Wed, 12 Mar 2003 21:10:10 -0800 > >please welcome a potential new TD fan > >Paul Vincent Isaacson > >03/12/03@9...:17am >2lb 12oz >14.5' _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 5:38 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Patrolling Space Borders 'cos don't have space enough to keep about 1,5GB of covers... contact me off list. __________________________ Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.klausmusic.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > -----Original Message----- > From: bduke252003 [mailto:bradley_duke@u...] > Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 5:14 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Patrolling Space Borders > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > I couldn't seem to find the labels on your site.... > > > Got front, back & cd label > > > > __________________________ > > Jarek 'Jerry' > > mailto:jarek@w... > > Visit my websites at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > > http://www.klausmusic.pl/ > > http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > > > > > > > Hi, > > > Does anyone have a jpeg of the inserts for this boot they could > post? > > > Thanks. > > > > > > Brad (the anal one) > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Piotr Millennium 3' Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 6:07 pm Subject: Message from Palacz ( Hyperborea) Hi I'm Palacz (Smoking Man) First of all sorry to my english is not enough but I tride write something.... Very thanks for Your nice letters but I don't knew you like this video-clip. I did this picture becouse 20 year ago TD realised HYPERBOREA and first time visit to my country. For me and my friends this was the most important events .... and this events never come back. I did want to make this video something difference but my possibility and footage is a humble. Is there more to come??? I don't know - big problem is a footage, but I Have a few conceptions and maybe soon.... And finally I want thank two people - Piotr Millennium for footage and cheer on to doing this jab to the end , and Jerry to give the use place for this video in his site. Cheers, Palacz (Smoking Man) From: kostas karlis Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 6:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Greek TD Flyer no they didn't do the show after all but i do have a copy of a interview [a newspapaer sheet] they do for the show [before it was cancelled] kostas from greece athens recovering from a stungle with his PC...xaxaxa np TT3 thanxs to my branch for being so quick!!!! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Thursday, March 13, 2003 3:40 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Greek TD Flyer > > > > Did anyone happen to notice the Greek concert flyer for the Goblin's Club > > tour on Ebay? > > I didn't think they visited Greece on that tour. Am I wrong? > > Item # 2515449385 > > To quote Scott Plumer's 'Mysterious semblance: a Tangerine Dream chronology': > > 'June 23: Gazi, Athens, Greece. The show was originally scheduled for May 31 > at the Lycabettus Theater. Gazi was an old gas factory. Gig was cancelled due > to what TD termed 'troubles with the promoter not being able to provide what > we needed' > > Heiko > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 6:37 pm Subject: Re: quick question re: Mothers of Rain @ Astoria --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'gyedid01' wrote: > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Colin Jouxson' > wrote: > >i swear theres > > only one Mothers,and this wasthe Original.HOW can we possibly tell? > > especially after guzzling to many over priced beers at the Astoria. > > Best regards > > Colin > > Well, it could have been the 1986 UK tour version resurrected...what > matters is that they played, and it's the only 'Melrose Years' track > they played at the concert! (right?) > > Gabe And what matters is this,what ever version it is,its Bloody MAGNIFICENT. From: 'Kevin Ball' Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 7:37 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream News from CD Services Here's a reliable source for picking up the new CD's. Kevin. -----Original Message----- From: CDS (Sales) [mailto:info@c...] Sent: 13 March 2003 11:21 CD SERVICES NEWS 40 - 42 BRANTWOOD AVE DUNDEE DD3 6EW UK Telephone: (+44) 0 1382 776595 Fax: (+44) 0 1382 736702 E-Mail: cdser@a... or info@c... On-Line Stores: www.cd-services.com * * OPEN NOW ** TANGERINE DREAM NEWS TANGERINE DREAM: Astoria Limited Edition EP CDM £ 8.99 Stock # 358672 In the traditions of the band, they played a recent sell-out concert at the Astoria in London and produced a special limited edition release (1000 only world-wide!!!) for sale at the concert. In conjunction with the band, we were able to secure a limited quantity of these exclusive EP's for sale to all those unlucky enough not to be there. Sure to become yet another highly prized collectors item, this smart little EP features 3 previously unreleased new tracks, the first of which is the near six-minute: 'From Kiev With Love' which has got to be one of the most powerful that the band has turned out in ages. There is a stomach-churning bass rumbling underneath, and a juggernaut top layer that features a thoroughly dirty guitar riff, with huge orchestral sounds coming from a symphony of synths and crunching percussion. The whole piece is perfectly edited, produced and arranged and it sounds positively gargantuan as it spirals out of the airwaves - A track that you'll play to death, that's for sure - Stunning! 'Gate Of Saturn', again, at just under six minutes, is one of these pieces that starts out quietly on wondrous layers of flowing cosmic keyboard textures before picking up a galloping percussive rhythm. Washes of electronic magic are mixed in as the music ebbs and flows, with odd resonant bass chords booming out and high-flying lead synths gliding in on top to become a beautiful mix of the languid and the powerful variety of electronic music. The seven-minute 'Meta Morph Magic' starts with echoed chords as a whiplash effect turns in and a pounding deep bass sound is heard and felt in equal proportions. Then a swirling synth and percussive rhythm starts up, and then whole sound softens a little while the rhythms start to rebuild and intensify, then the effects get wilder as the track starts to take off again. A massively crunching beat strikes out and voice sample propels the immense and expansive sound canopy ever onward - Again it is hugely powerful and stunning stuff! For synth music, this is huge sounding, superbly delivered and massive - Forget who it is and just concentrate on the fact that it's superb E.M. with real muscle - A real winner in anyone's books. As mentioned earlier, our stock is limited, so we advise you to order this quickly as it will sell out fast for sure! TANGERINE DREAM: Moto Atma CD £ 12.99 Stock # 358673 We are privileged to be the first to be able to give you the full run-down on the brand new studio album. It runs for fifty-nine minutes, it is all-instrumental and, in my opinion, it's superb! Opening with deep bass undercurrents and an incredibly ethereal, flowing synthscape with beautiful wordless choirs on top, before a sequencer line (yes!!! A sequencer line) emerges from the depths and the piece continues to drift and flow as it builds to an extremely full-sounding and celestial sound, as layer upon layer glides through the airwaves - This is not at all sweet or sugary, but solid, substantial and satisfying0 electronic music. The feel is of previous soundtrack work such as 'Firestarter' or 'Exit' or 'Thief', plus the combination of synths, sequencers, electronic drums and choral voices if has, makes for one of the finest opening tracks you'll have heard on a TD album in ages - Eight minutes of sheer bliss! Track 2 continues the thematic quality, this time with more of a solid percussive rhythmic backing, but it's a combination of layers, choral textures, synths and soundscapes that will take you right back to the band's classic soundtrack work from years gone by - A body of work that remains to this day, seriously underrated, compared to the 'real' studio albums. The mixture of melodic synths, deep bass, wordless choral voices, typically TD sounding synthscapes and chunky rhythms continues, as a wickedly cascading sequencer line emerges, and the piece becomes sheer heaven as the hairs on the back of your neck rise at the thrill of (for the first time in a long while) hearing the faint and familiar strains of TD days gone by - A powerful and atmospheric track that ends on the most gorgeous choral layer around, and nearly eight more minutes of true excellence. The 3rd track features bubbling synths, sequence rhythms, symphonic synth leads and that all-important sense of space that the group has become known for over the years. With all manner of synth whooshes and melody lines ebbing and flowing in and out of the mix, the rhythms and soundscapes move inexorably forward, and the SOUNDS are just totally spectacular - but you really have to hear it to know what I mean. The next two tracks continue in the same superb sounding vein - synths, sequencers and occasional percussive rhythms, all combining to create truly warm and human compositions, as layer upon layer of rhythm, texture, bass, melody and atmosphere combine to deliver tracks that are a joy to hear. The 6th track is slightly more ethereal, but still uses some bubbling sequencer effects. At times it almost sounds a bit like early Mark Shreeve when the samples emerge above the rhythmic undercurrents and the symphony of ethereal synths that are flying all around the mix - It's just amazing stuff! Track 7 introduces a very solid percussive rhythm as the layers of keyboards and electronics create even more rich, melodic leads and celestial soundscapes on an altogether vintage style of soundtrack music as only this band can provide - Substantial yet with a feel that is both familiar and fresh! Finally the 8th track immediately begins in pure anthemic mode - Similar (if I've got the right one) to the 'Thief' or 'Exit' title tracks - with slow, deliberate rhythms and synth layers that rise up majestically to soar like an eagle - A White Eagle - As you stare open-mouthed at the sheer strength of the synthphonics, rivers of deep bass, heavenly choral voices and the miles upon miles of electronic sounds that combine to create a truly moving piece of music. Altogether, one of the finest, most consistent and downright enjoyable Tangerine Dream albums in years, and one that will go down as a justifiable gem from the point of view of most fans of the band around today. TANGERINE DREAM: Alpha Centauri (Remaster+Orig Art Slipcase+Bonus Track) 968227 CD £ 8.99 Green Desert (Remastered+Original Artwork Slipcase) 302180 CD £ 8.99 Le Parc (Remastered+Original Artwork Slipcase) 302201CD £ 8.99 Poland (Remastered+Original Artwork Slipcase) 310872 CD £ 8.99 Underwater Sunlight (Remastered+Original Art Slipcase) 358669 CD £ 8.99 Zeit (Remastered+Original Art Slipcase) 109802 CD £ 8.99 All of these are now housed inside neat, original artwork card slip-cases, but I'm homing in on 'Green Desert', the so-called 'link' album that came between the early Ohr label years and the impending Virgin label years. Musically, well... it's the Ohr side that wins the day. Very little of this album bears any resemblance to 'Phaedra' so the idea that this was some kind of 'practice run' for that album is somewhat misguided, at best - either that, or it illustrates just how vital a factor in the making of that album was Peter Baumann, who is not present on this album. But, that said, this is fantastic stuff, ending the already excellent and ground-breaking Ohr-era albums, on a real high, as Mellotron choirs, drums, electric guitar and string synth backdrops provide a genuine mix of melodic and wild to the nineteen minute title track that opens the album, the sound of the band maturing at a rate of knots ands really coming into the mass arena with intention and purpose, structure and execution. It's one of the best early T Dream tracks around, mixing real crunching, lurching drum work with the multi-textured sound that the band made their trademark, the layers constantly shifting and changing, a deep bass as prominent as the soaring lead synths, a vital factor in the enjoyment of this band's work, where nothing ever stays the same and interest, development and delivery are kept at a high throughout. Following this, 'White Clouds' mixes melody with drums, tunes with strings, synth bass with space effects and is quite a rumbling five minutes of music, more like later - much later- T Dream than what was to follow immediately after. 'Astral Voyager' is THE 'Phaedra' style track, opening with a big, fat beefy sequencer line, accompanied by lone synth strings and adding layers as it develops, dominated by the sequencer and one of those tracks that still sends shivers up your spine every time you hear it, as the melodies emerge from the shadows and the sheer atmospheric qualities are kept at a peak throughout its seven minute running time. Finally, the near seven minute 'Indian Summer', a piece that opens with synth stabs and the sound of the sea - electronic of course - before a mix of flute-like lead and deep bass are introduced as the somewhat relaxed track charts its course, pretty close in feel, sound and structure to a track that followed on a later album - Froese's 'Ages' if I remember rightly - and simply a strong yet heavenly slice of the band in action, clearly a Froese-dominated track where composition is concerned. So, overall, an essential addition to any Tangerine Dream collection and a thoroughly consistent album from start to finish that hasn't dated one jot. IMPORTANT: CD SERVICES HAS THE LAST REMAINING COPIES OF THIS DELETED CLASSIC... TANGERINE DREAM: Soundmill Navigator CD £13.99 Stock # 266973 I don't suppose we need to tell you too much about this one, but…. It was recorded 'Live' at the Berlin Philharmonic in 1976 (yes, that's 1976!!!) and Jeez- is it HOT!!! Just listen to the first five minutes to hear and feel the sheer emotive quality that this band had! You will soon realise that, no matter how good all the current crop of copyists are, no one can match the real thing at its peak! Just try to imagine a current band trying to produce the feel of the opening ten minutes of this CD - it can't be done!! Sure, they may manage it to a degree, musically, but the passion of this trio at this height, will never be matched! - And you know what the ironic thing is here - it's fifteen minutes in (yes, 15!!!) before a sequencer even begins! This is an album to add to the 'essential' section of the TD collection, so grab one while they're still here. AND COMING SOON... TANGERINE DREAM: Dream Mixes 4 CD £12.99 Stock # 358674 Well, the next instalment in the series is on it's way, and although we've not heard it yet, but seeing as we always bring Tangerine Dream releases to you before anyone else, we thought we would take advantage of the high profile Tangs content in the little booklet and invite you to place your pre-orders for it now, so that you can receive it as soon as it gets released. Remember, we don't charge your card 'till the day it ships to you. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39772 Re: Tangerine Dream News from CD Services John Vertical omegatransfinito Fri 3/14/2003 3 KB 39774 Re: Tangerine Dream News from CD Services bduke252003 bduke252003 Fri 3/14/2003 4 KB 39775 Re: Tangerine Dream News from CD Services Dennis Nigbur Fri 3/14/2003 2 KB 39779 Re: Tangerine Dream News from CD Services colin anderson bigchiefhaggis Sat 3/15/2003 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 7:48 pm Subject: Mota Atma (was: Tangerine Dream News from CD Services) WOW! I hope I like Mota Atma as much as this guy! > -----Original Message----- > CD SERVICES NEWS > TANGERINE DREAM: Moto Atma CD £ 12.99 > Stock # 358673 > We are privileged to be the first to be able to give you the > full run-down > on the brand new studio album. It runs for fifty-nine minutes, it is > all-instrumental and, in my opinion, it's superb! Opening > with deep bass > undercurrents and an incredibly ethereal, flowing synthscape > with beautiful > wordless choirs on top, before a sequencer line (yes!!! A > sequencer line) > emerges from the depths and the piece continues to drift and > flow as it > builds to an extremely full-sounding and celestial sound, as > layer upon > layer glides through the airwaves - This is not at all sweet > or sugary, but > solid, substantial and satisfying0 electronic music. The feel > is of previous > soundtrack work such as 'Firestarter' or 'Exit' or 'Thief', plus the > combination of synths, sequencers, electronic drums and > choral voices if > has, makes for one of the finest opening tracks you'll have > heard on a TD > album in ages - Eight minutes of sheer bliss! Track 2 > continues the thematic > quality, this time with more of a solid percussive rhythmic > backing, but > it's a combination of layers, choral textures, synths and > soundscapes that > will take you right back to the band's classic soundtrack > work from years > gone by - A body of work that remains to this day, seriously > underrated, > compared to the 'real' studio albums. The mixture of melodic > synths, deep > bass, wordless choral voices, typically TD sounding > synthscapes and chunky > rhythms continues, as a wickedly cascading sequencer line > emerges, and the > piece becomes sheer heaven as the hairs on the back of your > neck rise at the > thrill of (for the first time in a long while) hearing the faint and > familiar strains of TD days gone by - A powerful and > atmospheric track that > ends on the most gorgeous choral layer around, and nearly > eight more minutes > of true excellence. The 3rd track features bubbling synths, sequence > rhythms, symphonic synth leads and that all-important sense > of space that > the group has become known for over the years. With all > manner of synth > whooshes and melody lines ebbing and flowing in and out of > the mix, the > rhythms and soundscapes move inexorably forward, and the > SOUNDS are just > totally spectacular - but you really have to hear it to know > what I mean. > The next two tracks continue in the same superb sounding vein > - synths, > sequencers and occasional percussive rhythms, all combining > to create truly > warm and human compositions, as layer upon layer of rhythm, > texture, bass, > melody and atmosphere combine to deliver tracks that are a > joy to hear. The > 6th track is slightly more ethereal, but still uses some > bubbling sequencer > effects. At times it almost sounds a bit like early Mark > Shreeve when the > samples emerge above the rhythmic undercurrents and the > symphony of ethereal > synths that are flying all around the mix - It's just amazing > stuff! Track 7 > introduces a very solid percussive rhythm as the layers of > keyboards and > electronics create even more rich, melodic leads and > celestial soundscapes > on an altogether vintage style of soundtrack music as only > this band can > provide - Substantial yet with a feel that is both familiar and fresh! > Finally the 8th track immediately begins in pure anthemic > mode - Similar (if > I've got the right one) to the 'Thief' or 'Exit' title tracks > - with slow, > deliberate rhythms and synth layers that rise up majestically > to soar like > an eagle - A White Eagle - As you stare open-mouthed at the > sheer strength > of the synthphonics, rivers of deep bass, heavenly choral > voices and the > miles upon miles of electronic sounds that combine to create > a truly moving > piece of music. Altogether, one of the finest, most > consistent and downright > enjoyable Tangerine Dream albums in years, and one that will > go down as a > justifiable gem from the point of view of most fans of the band around > today. From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Thu Mar 13, 2003 8:17 pm Subject: Outdoor spectacle in Norway Hey, Have you ever wanted to participate in the planning of a Tangerine Dream concert? To join the group of creative people who develop big outdoor projects? I cant help you with joining the TD team, but you may help with the planning of something else: My company is now in charge of organizing an outdoor multimedia spectacle in Norway, to inaugurate the new House of Culture in the city of Honefoss. The building complex used to be the city's jail and court house, but is now being rebuilt for art exhibitions, concerts, lectures, and other cultural purposes. For example, when the complex opens, art will be on exhibit in actual prison cells. The concert will be held in late August or early September. The concert will in large parts be based on well known electronic songs, and we are going to use several tracks from T. Dream, which will be remixed for the occasion by our own team of musicians. In addition, we are going to use the prison building itself as the canvas for image projections, laser and other visual effects, plus the surrounding block of 20 meter high business buildings for visual backdrop. The concert area is estimated to be 12 000 square meters (36 000 square feet). What I would like to do is combine the creativity of music fans everywhere to develop ideas and concepts for this event. Based on the concert's frame, you can participate in the actual planning by taking part in discussions, exchanging ideas and suggesting content. And even if you wont be able to witness the concert in person, you will help promote electronic music because this will be the first performance of it's kind in Norway. To join, send a blank email to: prisonconcert-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Thanks for reading! Regards from Glenn Folkvord Owner, Hyperion Media - arts and media development glenn@f... From: Marko Marin Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 8:10 am Subject: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau Waiting For Cousteau starts in a wacky way to say the least. Calypso's Steel drums reminds me of old games like Star Tropics (in the 8-bit Nintendo) and the all time favourite pirate adventure, Monkey Island. It's fun track, but it last a minute or two too long. Calypso Part 2, is a whole another issue. It's very moody at first, even dark. But not dark in a horror movie style, more like dark just before the sun rises and lightens up a happy summer day. Actually it kinda reminds me of some action movie from the golden 80's: 1:25, the company logo (like the 20th Century Fox for instance) fades out and the traditional main titles begin. Sun is rising and waking up a city, Los Angeles perhaps... 2:12 the first credits appear. 2:45 the name of the movie fades in. 3:50-3:57 the main titles end. 3:57 we see the first glimpses from the heroe (or heroes... remeber Mel Gibson & Danny Glover, Eddie Murphy & Nick Nolte, Richard Dreyfus & Emilio Estevez, etc.) chasing a bad guy in a busy street. There are some nice 'cue points' when the drums come in and out. The third part from the Calypso-trilogy is very nice. It steadily grows and gets heavier and the ending is fabulous because of the electric guitar (is it fake or a real one?). The title track is very beautiful. I can easily imagine a summer day in the shore of a small lake. The sun glimmers in the water and there aren't no cars, trains, airplanes near by. Only me and the lake. Some crickets are keeping steady noise and some birds sing now and then. There is no hurry. I can just wait and see what happens. (Uuh, that's deep, man!) This deserves 9 points out of 10 IMO. The title track deserves easily 10/10. Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39773 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/14/2003 2 KB 39805 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Marko Marin rubyconist Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB 39816 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB 39925 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Matthew Stringer Sat 3/22/2003 3 KB 39834 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) glennfolkvord Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB 39841 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB 39856 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 3/19/2003 2 KB 39927 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau John Vertical omegatransfinito Sat 3/22/2003 2 KB 39937 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) glennfolkvord Sat 3/22/2003 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 9:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream News from CD Services >TANGERINE DREAM: Moto Atma CD £ 12.99 >Stock # 358673 >We are privileged to be the first to be able to give you the full run-down >on the brand new studio album. It runs for fifty-nine minutes, it is >all-instrumental and, in my opinion, it's superb! I'd be interested to hear what this guy has said about Mars Polaris... if he has. (And what does 'the title track of Thief' mean? Diamond Diary?) >TANGERINE DREAM: Soundmill Navigator CD £13.99 >Stock # 266973 >I don't suppose we need to tell you too much about this one, but…. It was >recorded 'Live' at the Berlin Philharmonic in 1976 (yes, that's 1976!!!) >and >Jeez- is it HOT!!! Just listen to the first five minutes to hear and feel >the sheer emotive quality that this band had! You will soon realise that, >no >matter how good all the current crop of copyists are, no one can match the >real thing at its peak! Just try to imagine a current band trying to >produce >the feel of the opening ten minutes of this CD - it can't be done!! Sure, >they may manage it to a degree, musically, but the passion of this trio at >this height, will never be matched! - And you know what the ironic thing is >here - it's fifteen minutes in (yes, 15!!!) before a sequencer even begins! Actually, the ironic thing here is, that the first five minutes *are* made by a modern band; the modern TD.. John Vertical np Outland _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39774 Re: Tangerine Dream News from CD Services bduke252003 bduke252003 Fri 3/14/2003 4 KB 39775 Re: Tangerine Dream News from CD Services Dennis Nigbur Fri 3/14/2003 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 11:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau nice review of this album. For me, it's one of JMJ's most daring albums. When I first heard Calypso part 1 it became my favourite JMJ track for a long time. I don't like the other two much... Interesting thing is that the vinyl version of the title track is 22 minutes long, while the CD version goes up to almost 46. GJ np Sonic Youth - Dirty ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39805 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Marko Marin rubyconist Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB 39816 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB 39925 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Matthew Stringer Sat 3/22/2003 3 KB From: 'bduke252003' Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 1:49 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream News from CD Services I have to say, I don't recall being this excited for a forthcoming TD release in a LONG time. But this person's review makes me wonder...is it truthful, or merely a ploy to sell albums? Regardless - I'll be 'standing in line' for it (and DM4)upon its street date. While I'm on a new release kick...as much as I admire the computer cover art for the TDI catalogue, It sure would be welcome to see some of Edgar's or Monica's photography or artwork gracing some covers from time to time. :-) And DM4 - I think it should mimic the cover art for DM3, but obviously have the nob adjusted at 4. And when DM10 gets released...naturally, in the spirit of Spinal Tap, it should read '11'. B --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical' wrote: > >TANGERINE DREAM: Moto Atma CD £ 12.99 > >Stock # 358673 > >We are privileged to be the first to be able to give you the full run-down > >on the brand new studio album. It runs for fifty-nine minutes, it is > >all-instrumental and, in my opinion, it's superb! > > > I'd be interested to hear what this guy has said about Mars Polaris... if he > has. > (And what does 'the title track of Thief' mean? Diamond Diary?) > > > > >TANGERINE DREAM: Soundmill Navigator CD £13.99 > >Stock # 266973 > >I don't suppose we need to tell you too much about this one, but…. It was > >recorded 'Live' at the Berlin Philharmonic in 1976 (yes, that's 1976!!!) > >and > >Jeez- is it HOT!!! Just listen to the first five minutes to hear and feel > >the sheer emotive quality that this band had! You will soon realise that, > >no > >matter how good all the current crop of copyists are, no one can match the > >real thing at its peak! Just try to imagine a current band trying to > >produce > >the feel of the opening ten minutes of this CD - it can't be done!! Sure, > >they may manage it to a degree, musically, but the passion of this trio at > >this height, will never be matched! - And you know what the ironic thing is > >here - it's fifteen minutes in (yes, 15!!!) before a sequencer even begins! > > > Actually, the ironic thing here is, that the first five minutes *are* made > by a modern band; the modern TD.. > > John Vertical > np Outland > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39775 Re: Tangerine Dream News from CD Services Dennis Nigbur Fri 3/14/2003 2 KB From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 2:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Tangerine Dream News from CD Services On 14 Mar 2003 at 13:49, bduke252003 wrote: > I have to say, I don't recall being this excited for a forthcoming TD > release in a LONG time. But this person's review makes me wonder...is > it truthful, or merely a ploy to sell albums? They kept it secret really well, and the Astoria concert was the perfect platform from which to spring it on the listenership. Things are quite exciting, and the rave review only adds to the anticipation. From the review, it doesn't sound as if Mota Atma were going to be another Dream Mixes spin-off, which I personally welcome. This seems to be a good time for TD... Dennis From: Morgan Feldon Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 4:05 pm Subject: Mota Atma, Soundmill Navigator The Mota Atma review was very exciting. Until I read... >TANGERINE DREAM: Soundmill Navigator CD £13.99 >Stock # 266973 >I don't suppose we need to tell you too much about this one, but…. It was >recorded 'Live' at the Berlin Philharmonic in 1976 (yes, that's 1976!!!) and >Jeez- is it HOT!!! Just listen to the first five minutes to hear and feel >the sheer emotive quality that this band had! You will soon realise that, no >matter how good all the current crop of copyists are, no one can match the >real thing at its peak! Just try to imagine a current band trying to produce >the feel of the opening ten minutes of this CD - it can't be done!! It is difficult to take anything seriously in the whole posting. The first 6 and last 5 minutes of Soundmill are 2000 studio recordings by Edgar Froese. -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39778 Re: Mota Atma, Soundmill Navigator moxica@a... moxica93 Fri 3/14/2003 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 6:12 pm Subject: tree and leaves (under me) I will not be able to offering FTP to download. New house does not have the required access from local telecom to provide more than a dial up (and that is weak). I am still unpacking. I have not found my masters to make copies then send out. I do have my system back up and running to make the copies. Please contact me off list to confirm you sent me CD's etc. My main mailing list and notes did not make it thru the move. I will be setting up wireless after I find the funds to do so ($600.00 for just the antenna). This is my only route to pursue at the movement. I am still looking and researching to what will work in my area within a reasonable cost. Dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39784 Re: tree and leaves (under me) HANS hlauj000 Sat 3/15/2003 4 KB From: moxica@a... Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 7:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mota Atma, Soundmill Navigator Yeah, but besides the clicking, I like the overall effect of the album better than the original concert itself. That's not to say I'd like every concert in this format, but the layering on the original music gives it a unique feel. I've got a 400-CD carousel player at home, and this album/song always seems to be at the front of the list when I put the player on shuffle -- I guess it's kind of grown on me over time. -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... > The Mota Atma review was very exciting. Until I read... > > >TANGERINE DREAM: Soundmill Navigator CD £13.99 > > It is difficult to take anything seriously in the whole posting. > > The first 6 and last 5 minutes of Soundmill are 2000 studio recordings by > Edgar Froese. From: 'colin anderson' Date: Sat Mar 15, 2003 12:09 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Dream News from CD Services I used to get CDS's catalogues regularly when I was in Scotland. Their album reviews - for every artist - were always waaaaaaaay over the top and every track on an lp would be brilliant, awesome, ground-breaking, blah, blah. I always put it down to uncontrolled enthusiasm and a simple marketing game on their part, only not done all that well or discretely. Their review of Soundmill Navigator says it all (any review with loads of exclamation marks has got to be suss -does 'HOT' really need three after it?), so take what they say about Mota Atma with the proverbial pinch of salt, listen to what everyone here says, and form your own opinions..... Message: 4 Date: Fri, 14 Mar 2003 13:49:39 -0000 From: 'bduke252003' Subject: Re: I have to say, I don't recall being this excited for a forthcoming TD release in a LONG time. But this person's review makes me wonder...is it truthful, or merely a ploy to sell albums? [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: thesmitter@j... Date: Sat Mar 15, 2003 8:00 am Subject: Sanctuary label Can someone tell me if there is a big, if not huge improvement in the sound quality of the early TD cds being released on the Sanctuary label? Or is this just a repackage/resell of the same cds yet again? I'm interested in them if the quality is noticeably better. Though the packaging looks good, really, I don't hang it on the wall - so what does that matter? Thanks for your opinions, Larry ________________________________________________________________ Sign Up for Juno Platinum Internet Access Today Only $9.95 per month! Visit www.juno.com From: 'colin anderson' Date: Sat Mar 15, 2003 1:17 am Subject: Re: TT3 Does anyone have an overview of where this project's at? I've just checked the database and my name's not on it, even tho' I signed up for it at the time of TT2........ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39808 Re: TT3 Dennis Nigbur Mon 3/17/2003 3 KB From: Falcon Date: Sat Mar 15, 2003 8:21 am Subject: Digital Tape Tree Hi there, on the homepage of the Digital Tape Tree (Keen Auricle) is stated, that their version of the RIAS concert (Berlin 1973) has a better sound quality than the TT version. Anyone can confirm this ? Can anyone provide me with a copy of this cdr ? Please contact me off-list. Ramon From: 'David Syrett' Date: Sat Mar 15, 2003 8:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tribute CD Tree Tom My details below. Just had my copy of Dreamwatchers 3 from my branch and it been playing in the car today. Great work and look forward to listening the rest. David Name DAVID SYRETT Location (City/State/Country) COLCHESTER, ESSEX, UK e-mail address david_syrett@h... Preferred Status LEAF From: 'HANS' Date: Fri Mar 14, 2003 6:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] tree and leaves (under me) Hello just a note to help about the Elvis tree 3 (audio) just in case you need them. Hans Lau 7 36th Avenue NE. Fargo ND 58102 << >> Okay, for six cds, I'd like: DEVO FUTURE OF ROCK? BEGINNINGS CLUB, CHICAGO CENTRAL PARK, NYC Dec-78 7/12/80 - 1 >(is that all on one cd?) >CLASH TRICK OR TREAT BONDS IN NYC 10/31/82 HEAD 1 >CLASH YELLOW RIOT TOKYO , JAPAN 1982 SOUNDBOARD 1 >SMITH, PATTI LET'S DEODORIZE THE NIGHT BOTTOM LINE 1975 > - 1 >SMITH, PATTI LIVE AT CBGS'S CBGB'S NEW YORK CITY 1979 > SOUNDBOARD 2 <<<<<<<< >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> My address appears below, but please do NOT mail until I've told you that the discs are in my hands! Thanks! dale -- a.d. jensen 4625 Loamy Hills Place Grand Forks, ND 58201 USA ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Administrator' To: Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 12:12 PM Subject: [tadream] tree and leaves (under me) > I will not be able to offering FTP to download. New house does not have the > required access from local telecom to provide more than a dial up (and that > is weak). > > I am still unpacking. I have not found my masters to make copies then send > out. > > I do have my system back up and running to make the copies. > > Please contact me off list to confirm you sent me CD's etc. My main mailing > list and notes did not make it thru the move. > > I will be setting up wireless after I find the funds to do so ($600.00 for > just the antenna). This is my only route to pursue at the movement. I am > still looking and researching to what will work in my area within a > reasonable cost. > > Dale > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Richard Date: Sat Mar 15, 2003 12:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Klaus Schulze is doing something soon Is it possible to download it? >got it in on cdr/shn if anyone is interested. > >--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Marchington' wrote: >> I would be too! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: 'Armin Theissen' >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze is doing something soon >> >> >> > >> > It says that KS will give autographs at the Alesis-booth >> > on the music fair in Frankfurt on March 8th (exhibition >> > hall 5) from 12 to 3:30 pm. He will also distribute >> > 200 signed CDs with a 20 minute piece called 'Andromeda' >> > especially composed for Alesis. >> > >> > >> > Will somebody be there? Naturarlly I'm keen on that CD! >> > >> > armin >> > >> > >> > Glynn Naughton wrote: >> > >> > > Hello, >> > > >> > > I was just rooting around on Rainhorse records' site and saw this: >> > > >> > > >> > >>Music sounds better with you >> > >>Klaus Schulze wird am 08. März 2003 auf dem Alesis-Stand (Halle 5) >> > >>anlässlich der diesjährigen Musikmesse in Frankfurt (05. - 09. März >> > >>2003 ) von 12:00 bis 13:30 Uhr Autogramme geben. Dabei werden >> > >>auch .200 signierte Cd's mit einem speziell für Alesis komponierten >> > >>Titel (Andromeda ca. 20 Minuten) von KS verteilt. See u there! >> > >>Alle Informationen zur Musikmesse in Frankfurt findet Ihr unter >> > >>www.musikmesse.de. >> > >> >> > > >> > > I suspect that this says that KS will be signing autographs at this >> > > Musikmesse thingy a week next Saturday, but as my German is as rusty >> > > as old shipyards, I'm not really sure. Perhaps someone who reads >> > > German can elucidate? >> > > >> > > Glynn >> > > >> > > >> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- >> > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- >> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ >> > > >> > > Tangerine Tree info at >> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree >> > > >> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 >> > SUN Microsystems Ireland >> > >> > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' >> > - Woody Allen >> > >> > >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------_- >> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > ----------------------------------------------------_- >> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ >> > >> > Tangerine Tree info at >> > http://www.tadream.net/tree >> > >> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> > >> > >> > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Richard F Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39787 Re: Klaus Schulze is doing something soon Robert Asmus plastics67 Sat 3/15/2003 6 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Sat Mar 15, 2003 12:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Klaus Schulze is doing something soon Yes I am interested :) Please let me know how I can get it Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: Richard [mailto:richard@l...] Sent: Saturday, March 15, 2003 7:36 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Klaus Schulze is doing something soon Is it possible to download it? >got it in on cdr/shn if anyone is interested. > >--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Marchington' wrote: >> I would be too! >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: 'Armin Theissen' >> To: >> Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 4:48 AM >> Subject: Re: [tadream] Klaus Schulze is doing something soon >> >> >> > >> > It says that KS will give autographs at the Alesis-booth >> > on the music fair in Frankfurt on March 8th (exhibition >> > hall 5) from 12 to 3:30 pm. He will also distribute >> > 200 signed CDs with a 20 minute piece called 'Andromeda' >> > especially composed for Alesis. >> > >> > >> > Will somebody be there? Naturarlly I'm keen on that CD! >> > >> > armin >> > >> > >> > Glynn Naughton wrote: >> > >> > > Hello, >> > > >> > > I was just rooting around on Rainhorse records' site and saw this: >> > > >> > > >> > >>Music sounds better with you >> > >>Klaus Schulze wird am 08. März 2003 auf dem Alesis-Stand (Halle 5) >> > >>anlässlich der diesjährigen Musikmesse in Frankfurt (05. - 09. März >> > >>2003 ) von 12:00 bis 13:30 Uhr Autogramme geben. Dabei werden >> > >>auch .200 signierte Cd's mit einem speziell für Alesis komponierten >> > >>Titel (Andromeda ca. 20 Minuten) von KS verteilt. See u there! >> > >>Alle Informationen zur Musikmesse in Frankfurt findet Ihr unter >> > >>www.musikmesse.de. >> > >> >> > > >> > > I suspect that this says that KS will be signing autographs at this >> > > Musikmesse thingy a week next Saturday, but as my German is as rusty >> > > as old shipyards, I'm not really sure. Perhaps someone who reads >> > > German can elucidate? >> > > >> > > Glynn >> > > >> > > >> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- >> > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > > ----------------------------------------------------_- >> > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >> > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ >> > > >> > > Tangerine Tree info at >> > > http://www.tadream.net/tree >> > > >> > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >> http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > >> > >> > -- >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------------------- >> > Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 >> > SUN Microsystems Ireland >> > >> > 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' >> > - Woody Allen >> > >> > >> > >> > ----------------------------------------------------_- >> > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >> > ----------------------------------------------------_- >> > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >> > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ >> > >> > Tangerine Tree info at >> > http://www.tadream.net/tree >> > >> > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to >http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ >> > >> > >> > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- Richard F ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Date: Sat Mar 15, 2003 1:47 pm Subject: again two Re-Releases on ... Hello all, two new re-releases will be released on Castle Records at 17-March-2003: - Underwater sunlight - Poland - The Warsaw Concert Cheers heiko - mr. Optical http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de http://www.opticaldream.de FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER: Click to subscribe to ashranewsletter: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter/join Sign up for your Paypal account: https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=WDJX3DNKVFJ9E cool link: http://www.klamm.de/?refid=62978 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39797 Re: again two Re-Releases on ... Shez Sun 3/16/2003 3 KB 39804 Re: again two Re-Releases on ... fozziebear fozziebeard Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB 39809 Re: again two Re-Releases on ... billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB 39815 Re: again two Re-Releases on ... Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB 39806 Re: again two Re-Releases on ... John Vertical omegatransfinito Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB From: David Butler Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 1:04 am Subject: Vanity Fair So, I'm sitting around reading Vanity Fair...blah, blah, blah. There is an article by James Wolcott about the films of Michael Mann, albeit mostly about Heat. Anyway, here's an excerpt... 'The other signature mood-enhancer in Mann's work is the atmospheric texturing of the music soundtrack. (yadda yadda about Miami Vice and Crime Story) Mann's first theatrical film, Thief, featured an original score by Tangerine Dream (of whom Lester Bangs wrote, 'They sound like silt seeping on the ocean floor')...' Hmmm...trying to figure out if that is bad or good. Any thoughts? Just thought you'd all like to know....David __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39798 Re: Vanity Fair/BBC 6 Music Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Sun 3/16/2003 3 KB 39807 Guilty secrets Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Mon 3/17/2003 3 KB 39810 Re: Guilty secrets billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 3/17/2003 3 KB 39823 Re: Guilty secrets Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB 39824 Ask and you shall recieve with a bonus Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB 39828 Re: Ask and you shall recieve with a bonus Admin dale1kay Tue 3/18/2003 4 KB 39811 Re: Guilty secrets Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB 39825 Re: Guilty secrets gyedid01 gyedid01 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB 39827 Re: Guilty secrets/Depeche Mode Michael Fox myfats Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 4:04 am Subject: Email Change for Vic Rek I just changed my email to: tangerinedream@h... If you tried to reach me in the last few days, you may have had problems - so please re-send. Please use this NEW email from now on. VicRek From: Felna Greymane Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 4:18 am Subject: Rereleases Do you know which version of Poland it will be? I know of at least 3 separate versions (though there may be more). >Hello all, > >two new re-releases will be released on Castle Records at 17-March-2003: > >- Underwater sunlight >- Poland - The Warsaw Concert > >Cheers >heiko - mr. Optical >http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de >http://www.opticaldream.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39793 Re: Rereleases heineu heineu Sun 3/16/2003 2 KB 39794 Re: Rereleases Falcon ppgwave2000 Sun 3/16/2003 2 KB 39795 Re: Rereleases jarek@w... jerryplpl Sun 3/16/2003 3 KB 39796 Re: Rereleases heineu heineu Sun 3/16/2003 4 KB From: 'heineu' Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 10:46 am Subject: Re: Rereleases Hello, the re-release of POLAND are the complete version with all four tracks. Cheers heiko - mr. Optical http://www.opticaldream.de --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Felna Greymane wrote: > Do you know which version of Poland it will be? I know of at least 3 > separate versions (though there may be more). > > >Hello all, > > > >two new re-releases will be released on Castle Records at 17-March- 2003: > > > >- Underwater sunlight > >- Poland - The Warsaw Concert > > > >Cheers > >heiko - mr. Optical > >http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de > >http://www.opticaldream.de Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39794 Re: Rereleases Falcon ppgwave2000 Sun 3/16/2003 2 KB 39795 Re: Rereleases jarek@w... jerryplpl Sun 3/16/2003 3 KB 39796 Re: Rereleases heineu heineu Sun 3/16/2003 4 KB From: Falcon Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 12:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Rereleases Hi, At 11:46 AM 3/16/2003, you wrote: >the re-release of POLAND are the complete version with all four >tracks. but Barbakane is still the short version ? Ramon From: Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 12:51 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Rereleases The complete version of the Poland album is the 2CD release which contains four full lenght tracks as found on the double vinyl release. __________________________ Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.klausmusic.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > -----Original Message----- > From: heineu [mailto:heiko@o...] > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 11:47 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Rereleases > > > Hello, > > the re-release of POLAND are the complete version with all four > tracks. > > Cheers > heiko - mr. Optical > http://www.opticaldream.de > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Felna Greymane wrote: > > Do you know which version of Poland it will be? I know of at > least 3 > > separate versions (though there may be more). > > > > >Hello all, > > > > > >two new re-releases will be released on Castle Records at 17-March- > 2003: > > > > > >- Underwater sunlight > > >- Poland - The Warsaw Concert > > > > > >Cheers > > >heiko - mr. Optical > > >http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de > > >http://www.opticaldream.de > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39796 Re: Rereleases heineu heineu Sun 3/16/2003 4 KB From: 'heineu' Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 1:06 pm Subject: Re: Rereleases Well, I cant say at this moment is it the full complete version of Poland, on the description of the Label is standing that the CD has 4 tracks. No other informations. Sorry. But I think very soon more about this on my homepage. new re-releases are on order. Cheers Heiko, http://www.opticaldream.de --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, wrote: > The complete version of the Poland album is the 2CD release which contains > four full lenght tracks as found on the double vinyl release. > > __________________________ > Jarek 'Jerry' > mailto:jarek@w... > Visit my websites at: > http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > http://www.klausmusic.pl/ > http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: heineu [mailto:heiko@o...] > > Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 11:47 AM > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: [tadream] Re: Rereleases > > > > > > Hello, > > > > the re-release of POLAND are the complete version with all four > > tracks. > > > > Cheers > > heiko - mr. Optical > > http://www.opticaldream.de > > > > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Felna Greymane wrote: > > > Do you know which version of Poland it will be? I know of at > > least 3 > > > separate versions (though there may be more). > > > > > > >Hello all, > > > > > > > >two new re-releases will be released on Castle Records at 17- March- > > 2003: > > > > > > > >- Underwater sunlight > > > >- Poland - The Warsaw Concert > > > > > > > >Cheers > > > >heiko - mr. Optical > > > >http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de > > > >http://www.opticaldream.de > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > From: Shez Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 11:36 am Subject: Re: [tadream] again two Re-Releases on ... I think Tiger is also rereleased the same day. On Sat, 15 Mar 2003 14:47:36 +0100, you wrote: >Hello all, > >two new re-releases will be released on Castle Records at 17-March-2003: > >- Underwater sunlight >- Poland - The Warsaw Concert > >Cheers >heiko - mr. Optical >http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de >http://www.opticaldream.de > >FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER: >Click to subscribe to ashranewsletter: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter/join > >Sign up for your Paypal account: >https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=WDJX3DNKVFJ9E > >cool link: http://www.klamm.de/?refid=62978 > >[Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: Jonathan Holt Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 4:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Vanity Fair/BBC 6 Music There is a series on BBC Radio 6 Music, I believe it is called 'My Life in Cd's' or something similar, where various music stars put cd's to parts of their lives. Jah Wobble's 'guilty secret' was Tangerine Dream. Why 'guilty'?! Oh well, at least they got a mention! --- David Butler wrote: > So, I'm sitting around reading Vanity Fair...blah, > blah, blah. There is an article by James Wolcott > about > the films of Michael Mann, albeit mostly about Heat. > Anyway, here's an excerpt... > 'The other signature mood-enhancer in Mann's work is > the atmospheric texturing of the music soundtrack. > (yadda yadda about Miami Vice and Crime Story) > Mann's > first theatrical film, Thief, featured an original > score by Tangerine Dream (of whom Lester Bangs > wrote, > 'They sound like silt seeping on the ocean > floor')...' > > Hmmm...trying to figure out if that is bad or good. > Any thoughts? > Just thought you'd all like to know....David > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online > http://webhosting.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39807 Guilty secrets Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Mon 3/17/2003 3 KB 39810 Re: Guilty secrets billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 3/17/2003 3 KB 39823 Re: Guilty secrets Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB 39824 Ask and you shall recieve with a bonus Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB 39828 Re: Ask and you shall recieve with a bonus Admin dale1kay Tue 3/18/2003 4 KB 39811 Re: Guilty secrets Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB 39825 Re: Guilty secrets gyedid01 gyedid01 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB 39827 Re: Guilty secrets/Depeche Mode Michael Fox myfats Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB 39830 Re: Guilty secrets TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 6:33 pm Subject: Poland Re-release >Well, I cant say at this moment is it the full complete version of >Poland, on the description of the Label is standing that the CD has 4 >tracks. No other informations. Sorry. But I think very soon more >about this on my homepage. Maybe someone at the record label reads this list and saw one of our postings about how to trim the complete Poland to fit on 1 CD. :) You can get the entire 4 tracks on one 80 min CD if you: -Omit the introduction in Polish (it IS real, but the announcer was not present, it was a taped announcement played back before the show) [45 sec] -Repair the gap between 'Poland' and 'Tangent'. Originally there was no gap. [24 sec] -Omit some of the applause at the end of Tangent [33 sec] -Move Rarebird to the end of the CD where it should be (not necessary, but why not?) -Trim a little bit of applause before Rarebird [4 sec] -Remove ambience before Barbakane starts [5 sec] -Remove gap between Barbakane and Horizon [7 sec] And while I was at it, I split up the 4 tracks into indexes. My Poland CD in my car is 13 tracks. :) -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39814 Re: Poland Re-release Owens, James yxalag2 Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB From: Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 12:55 am Subject: Private Music re-issues Hello All, Any word on when or if the new re-issues from Private Music will be released individually? And if the corrected track will be......corrected? Thanks Neal From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 2:07 am Subject: DWT 3 tree Hello everyone, maybe I missed something, but I'd like to know if everyone's got their DWT3 cds or has the tree structure not been posted yet? ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39802 Re: DWT 3 tree Pergamon pergamondk Mon 3/17/2003 3 KB 39803 Re: DWT 3 tree Robert Asmus plastics67 Mon 3/17/2003 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 2:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] DWT 3 tree I haven't................ Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 3:07 AM Subject: [tadream] DWT 3 tree > Hello everyone, > maybe I missed something, but I'd like to know if everyone's got their DWT3 > cds or has the tree structure not been posted yet? > > ------ > Gustavo Jobim > http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br > gustavojobim@s... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 2:42 am Subject: RE: [tadream] DWT 3 tree No I have not received my DWT 3 yet. I misplaced the email That had the name of the person that was supposed to be my Branch. I still would like to get DWT 3. Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@s...] Sent: Sunday, March 16, 2003 9:08 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] DWT 3 tree Hello everyone, maybe I missed something, but I'd like to know if everyone's got their DWT3 cds or has the tree structure not been posted yet? ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 5:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] again two Re-Releases on ... 'I think Tiger is also rereleased the same day' Will that be the Siberian, Benegal or African? David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39809 Re: again two Re-Releases on ... billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB 39815 Re: again two Re-Releases on ... Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB From: Marko Marin Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau --- Gustavo Jobim wrote: > nice review of this album. For me, it's one of JMJ's > most daring albums. > When I first heard Calypso part 1 it became my > favourite JMJ track for a > long time. I don't like the other two much... > Interesting thing is that > the vinyl version of the title track is 22 minutes > long, while the CD > version goes up to almost 46. But I have a question... which half is the one that occupied the second side of the lp? 0:00-23:00 or 23:00-46:00? Regards, Marko Marin ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Web Hosting - establish your business online http://webhosting.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39816 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB 39925 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Matthew Stringer Sat 3/22/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] again two Re-Releases on ... > 'I think Tiger is also rereleased the same day' > >Will that be the Siberian, Benegal or African? > >David There's no tigers in Africa... we could use the Sumatran tiger for the 3rd Tyger version. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:58 am Subject: Guilty secrets >From: Jonathan Holt >Date: Sun Mar 16, 2003 4:15 pm >Subject: Re: [tadream] Vanity Fair/BBC 6 Music > >There is a series on BBC Radio 6 Music, I believe it >is called 'My Life in Cd's' or something similar, >where various music stars put cd's to parts of their >lives. Jah Wobble's 'guilty secret' was Tangerine >Dream. > >Why 'guilty'?! > >Oh well, at least they got a mention! Didn't Jah Wobble (God, I hate it when grown men use stupid nicknames) come from the punk world? In which case it would probably have been suicidal to admit a liking for a bunch of boring old hippies like Tangerine Dream. However, as he went on to make a record based on Blake's poetry, perhaps TD has influenced him more than he cares to admit. My own guilty secret: Shirley Bassey! Favourite song (which must rank as one of the corniest songs ever): 'Moonraker'. This is the kind of music you play with the volume low so the neighbours won't know what you're listening to. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39810 Re: Guilty secrets billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 3/17/2003 3 KB 39823 Re: Guilty secrets Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB 39824 Ask and you shall recieve with a bonus Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB 39828 Re: Ask and you shall recieve with a bonus Admin dale1kay Tue 3/18/2003 4 KB 39811 Re: Guilty secrets Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB 39825 Re: Guilty secrets gyedid01 gyedid01 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB 39827 Re: Guilty secrets/Depeche Mode Michael Fox myfats Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB 39830 Re: Guilty secrets TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB 39817 Re: Guilty secrets fozziebear fozziebeard Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TT3 Where _is_ the TT3 database? When I last checked, the links from the tadream home page only took me to the tree structures for TT1 and 2. I haven't had any replies to several previous messages about signing up for TT3. I do hope I'm on it! Dennis On 15 Mar 2003 at 11:17, colin anderson wrote: > Does anyone have an overview of where this project's at? I've just > checked the database and my name's not on it, even tho' I signed up > for it at the time of TT2........ > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'billythefish01' Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:04 am Subject: Re: again two Re-Releases on ... A Tiger? In Africa? (cue endless Monty Python posts to annoy all the TD and Dr. Who fans out there...) --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'fozziebear' wrote: > 'I think Tiger is also rereleased the same day' > > Will that be the Siberian, Benegal or African? > > David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39815 Re: again two Re-Releases on ... Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB From: 'billythefish01' Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 10:26 am Subject: Re: Guilty secrets Jah Wobble was the Bassist with Public Image Ltd.- Johhny Rotten's post Sex Pistols band. He has worked with loads of people not too far from TD's world - such as HOLGER CZUKAY, JAKI LIEBEZEIT, BRIAN ENO and BILL LASWELL. So, no idea why this should be a 'guilty secret'... Shirley Bassey on the other hand... ;-) (My guitly secret is the Frank Chickens) > Didn't Jah Wobble (God, I hate it when grown men use > stupid nicknames) come from the punk world? In which > case it would probably have been suicidal to admit a > liking for a bunch of boring old hippies like Tangerine > Dream. > > However, as he went on to make a record based on > Blake's poetry, perhaps TD has influenced him more > than he cares to admit. > > My own guilty secret: Shirley Bassey! Favourite song > (which must rank as one of the corniest songs ever): > 'Moonraker'. This is the kind of music you play with > the volume low so the neighbours won't know what > you're listening to. > > Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39823 Re: Guilty secrets Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB 39824 Ask and you shall recieve with a bonus Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB 39828 Re: Ask and you shall recieve with a bonus Admin dale1kay Tue 3/18/2003 4 KB From: 'Yanick Vigneault' Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 1:29 pm Subject: Re: Guilty secrets > ... > My own guilty secret: Shirley Bassey! Favourite song > (which must rank as one of the corniest songs ever): > 'Moonraker'... > > Glynn I very like 'History Repeating' from Propellerheads Decksandrumsandrockandroll featuring Shirley Bassey! ;-)) Yanick Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39825 Re: Guilty secrets gyedid01 gyedid01 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB 39827 Re: Guilty secrets/Depeche Mode Michael Fox myfats Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB 39830 Re: Guilty secrets TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 1:44 pm Subject: Guilty Secrets: Duran Duran and Tammy Wynette Two of my guilty secrets are Duran Duran and Tammy Wynette. Oh, and Madonna. That makes three. -- Steven Feldman ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39819 Re: Guilty Secrets: Duran Duran and Tammy Wynette Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Mon 3/17/2003 3 KB 39896 Re: Guilty Secrets: Duran Duran and Tammy Wynette Shez Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 3:22 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Vanity Fair I can't imagine seeping silt being a good thing. It sounds like an extremely clever way to say: 'the music is unchanging and monotonous', though I suppose it could be a much less clever (so as to be nearly unintelligible) way to say: 'the music is broad-spanning with subtle, shifting variations'. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Butler [mailto:daventura98@y...] > Mann's > first theatrical film, Thief, featured an original > score by Tangerine Dream (of whom Lester Bangs wrote, > 'They sound like silt seeping on the ocean floor')...' Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39826 Re: Vanity Fair Jim Moore moxica93 Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 3:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Poland Re-release I have Morgan's version of the Poland 1 disc, and I must say it's excellent. I like the higher indexing. I've always thought the gap between Poland and Tangent was irritating, and I LOVE having the encore at the end where it whould be! I almost never pull out my 2-disc set anymore! Thanks Morgan! James > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > > Maybe someone at the record label reads this list and saw one of our > postings about how to trim the complete Poland to fit on 1 CD. :) > > You can get the entire 4 tracks on one 80 min CD if you: (--snip--) From: Jonathan Holt Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: again two Re-Releases on ... LMAO! You just beat me to it :-) --- billythefish01 wrote: > A Tiger? In Africa? > > (cue endless Monty Python posts to annoy all the TD > and Dr. Who fans > out there...) > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'fozziebear' > wrote: > > 'I think Tiger is also rereleased the same day' > > > > Will that be the Siberian, Benegal or African? > > > > David > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 6:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau >But I have a question... which half is the one that >occupied the second side of the lp? 0:00-23:00 or >23:00-46:00? Regards, Marko Marin I have no idea. ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39925 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Matthew Stringer Sat 3/22/2003 3 KB From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 7:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets billythefish01 said (My guitly secret is the Frank Chickens) Mine too! I even have live tapes David Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39829 Re: Guilty secrets billythefish01 billythefish01 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 7:28 pm Subject: Mota Atma and DM4 Martin Will TDI be doing any specials on Mota Atma and DM4 through the web site or do we have to shop at the usual suspects? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39831 Re: Mota Atma and DM4 TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 8:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Guilty Secrets: Duran Duran and Tammy Wynette My guilty secret:Tomita and Howard Jones! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Steven Feldman' To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 1:44 PM Subject: [tadream] Guilty Secrets: Duran Duran and Tammy Wynette > Two of my guilty secrets are Duran Duran and Tammy Wynette. Oh, > and Madonna. That makes three. > > -- Steven Feldman > ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ > TD Anagrams: Regret Mann idea | I am a nerd regent | Arid German Teen | > ------------------------------+--------------------+------------------+ > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 9:49 pm Subject: Happy St. Paddy's day To all fellow TD fans that are Irish by nationality, heritage, or spirit, I raise a pint o' Guiness to you! James np - in honor of the day: ENYA (guilty pleasure ?-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39821 Re: Happy St. Paddy's day Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) glennfolkvord Mon 3/17/2003 2 KB 39822 Re: Happy St. Paddy's day Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy St. Paddy's day ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' > np - in honor of the day: ENYA (guilty pleasure ?-) Isnt she Gaelic? Is that the same as Irish? glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39822 Re: Happy St. Paddy's day Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:20 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy St. Paddy's day Gaelic is the Scottish language and not the same as Irish THE HIGHLANDER At 01:09 AM 3/18/03 +0100, you wrote: >----- Original Message ----- >From: 'Owens, James' > >> np - in honor of the day: ENYA (guilty pleasure ?-) > >Isnt she Gaelic? Is that the same as Irish? > >glenn From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Mar 17, 2003 6:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets >Jah Wobble(...) He has worked with loads of people (...) and BILL LASWELL. $0.01: I've heard some from a CD Jah Wobble made with Bill Laswell... it's that dub-thing kind of EM, not my cup of tea. gj np. Synkopy - Slunecní Hodiny (amazing, delicious, astonishing Czech prog rock album). makes me want to learn Czech (there are some lyrics here and there) ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39824 Ask and you shall recieve with a bonus Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB 39828 Re: Ask and you shall recieve with a bonus Admin dale1kay Tue 3/18/2003 4 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 2:06 am Subject: Ask and you shall recieve with a bonus With all the recent talk about the Andromeda disc, it is now time for me to say a few words. After the first mention of KS handing out signed copies of this disc in Frankfurt, I decided I wanted a copy of this disc also. One major problem tho, I could not fly to Frankfurt to get one. I knew a few people might go and thought I would wait and get a CDR copy from someone. Then I thought on it a little more and decided to contact Alesis and see if they could at the very least get me a CDR copy of this disc. I wrote them a letter with my question and stating that I only wanted a CDR copy of this if possible and that I was a fan of KS and keyboards and synthesizers. I also told them I had several pieces in my collection that were already signed so an autograph was not needed. A lady responded with an e-mail and said she would see what she could do for me. About 2 weeks later I recieved another e-mail asking for my address. I sent my address along with arequest for info on thier keyboards and synths. Today, I recieved a large envelope from Alesis. Inside was a catalog of the keyboards and synths along with one of the actual discs that was handed out at the music show in Frankfurt. I thought this was great!! Then I turned the cardboard sleeved disc over to find it was signed 'To Robert, Klaus Schulze'. I was very surprised. EAT YOUR HEARTS OUT!!!! THE HIGHLANDER Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39828 Re: Ask and you shall recieve with a bonus Admin dale1kay Tue 3/18/2003 4 KB From: 'gyedid01' Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 2:49 am Subject: Re: Guilty secrets I'll get on the wagon and state my guilty secret: Depeche Mode. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39827 Re: Guilty secrets/Depeche Mode Michael Fox myfats Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB 39830 Re: Guilty secrets TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 3:48 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Vanity Fair When has Vanity Fair ever had anything nice to say? The whole purpose of the magazine is to pooh-pooh any trend or fashion that's over 10 minutes old and to elevate the media types that watch the clock. A waste of trees, in my opinion... - jim -----Original Message----- From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] I can't imagine seeping silt being a good thing. It sounds like an extremely clever way to say: 'the music is unchanging and monotonous', though I suppose it could be a much less clever (so as to be nearly unintelligible) way to say: 'the music is broad-spanning with subtle, shifting variations'. > -----Original Message----- > From: David Butler [mailto:daventura98@y...] > Mann's > first theatrical film, Thief, featured an original > score by Tangerine Dream (of whom Lester Bangs wrote, > 'They sound like silt seeping on the ocean floor')...' From: Michael Fox Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 4:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets/Depeche Mode When I lived in Cincinnati, Ohio, back in the 80's I did monitor sound for a show they did there at Bogart's. A couple songs into their set, the computers went bonkers and after many an attempt to get them sorted, the band gave up. All this while, I am behind a gang of house speakers, oblivious to the crowd, until the occasional beer bottle is tossed on stage. As the band worked to get the gear working, the crowd grew increasingly angry, the bottle to stage quotient increasing; the band looked my way as if I can settle things. By this time, no way am I going to set foot on stage to quell this mess. DM left with a rather less than favorable image of the city, I imagine. Mike ps to KenB--the discs are coming!! At 02:49 AM 03/18/2003 +0000, you wrote: >I'll get on the wagon and state my guilty secret: Depeche Mode. From: 'Admin' Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 4:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ask and you shall recieve with a bonus You are so special... ;-) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Robert Grabowsky' To: Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:06 PM Subject: [tadream] Ask and you shall recieve with a bonus > With all the recent talk about the Andromeda disc, it is now time for me to > say a few words. > > After the first mention of KS handing out signed copies of this disc in > Frankfurt, I decided I wanted a copy of this disc also. One major problem > tho, I could not fly to Frankfurt to get one. I knew a few people might go > and thought I would wait and get a CDR copy from someone. Then I thought on > it a little more and decided to contact Alesis and see if they could at the > very least get me a CDR copy of this disc. I wrote them a letter with my > question and stating that I only wanted a CDR copy of this if possible and > that I was a fan of KS and keyboards and synthesizers. I also told them I > had several pieces in my collection that were already signed so an > autograph was not needed. > A lady responded with an e-mail and said she would see what she could do > for me. About 2 weeks later I recieved another e-mail asking for my > address. I sent my address along with arequest for info on thier keyboards > and synths. > Today, I recieved a large envelope from Alesis. Inside was a catalog of > the keyboards and synths along with one of the actual discs that was handed > out at the music show in Frankfurt. I thought this was great!! Then I > turned the cardboard sleeved disc over to find it was signed 'To Robert, > Klaus Schulze'. I was very surprised. > > EAT YOUR HEARTS OUT!!!! > > THE HIGHLANDER > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'billythefish01' Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 10:09 am Subject: Re: Guilty secrets --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'fozziebear' wrote: > billythefish01 said (My guitly secret is the Frank Chickens) > > Mine too! I even have live tapes > > > David .... blue, blue, blue canary, tweet, tweet, tweet, the whole day lo-ong.... What genius! BTF From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 11:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets At 02:49 18.03.03, you wrote: >I'll get on the wagon and state my guilty secret: Depeche Mode. > >Gabe What´s so 'guilty' about that? ;-) I for one part think they are brilliant and one of the rather few bands who have aged in style. IMO, they had a low phase in the late Eighties/early Nineties with Music for the Masses and especially Violator, but after that they put out real Masterpieces. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 11:53 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mota Atma and DM4 At 19:28 17.03.03, you wrote: >Martin > >Will TDI be doing any specials on Mota Atma and DM4 through the web site >or do we have to shop at the usual suspects? > >David > > Dear David, you´ll definitely be able to buy it from our website. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets At 12:50 18-3-03 +0100, you wrote: >At 02:49 18.03.03, you wrote: > >I'll get on the wagon and state my guilty secret: Depeche Mode. > > > >Gabe > >What´s so 'guilty' about that? ;-) I for one part think they are brilliant >and one of the rather few bands who have aged in style. IMO, they had a low >phase in the late Eighties/early Nineties with Music for the Masses and >especially Violator Do you really mean that? Violator is an absolute masterpiece in my book. >, but after that they put out real Masterpieces. Exciter is a very good album but for me Violator is still number 1. Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 8203 AD Lelystad The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 http://www.groove.nl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39835 Re: Guilty secrets TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB 39842 Re: Guilty secrets gyedid01 gyedid01 Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB 39857 Re: Guilty secrets TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Wed 3/19/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets >I'll get on the wagon and state my guilty secret: Depeche Mode. > >Gabe You haven't heard anywhere near 'guilty' yet... Two words: Super Mario. :D John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 12:55 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marko Marin' > > But I have a question... which half is the one that > occupied the second side of the lp? 0:00-23:00 or > 23:00-46:00? Neither. I dont have the LP to check it, but other people suggest it's a unique mix, or taken from an even longer version which was used at the 1989 Jarre exhibition in Paris. Glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39841 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Yanick Vigneault yanx_88 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 1:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets > >Exciter is a very good album but for me Violator is still number 1. > > >Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, > >Kees > Sorry, Kees... but it´s definitely my least favorite of theirs. Somehow, it just seems a bit uninspired to me and doesn´t have the emtional kick of albums like 'Black Celebration', ' A Broken Frame' or 'Ultra' for me. But that is where opinions differ, of course... ;-) And I believe that when it comes to music, no one person is ever going to be 'wrong' or 'right' - it is all a matter of personal taste and the kind of emotions one associates with a certain kind of music. What makes one person tick might be a total turn-off for another. And I believe that this is a good thing because otherwise there would be no diversity whatsoever... :-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 2:22 pm Subject: Island list was Guilty secrets At 14:56 18-3-03 +0100, you wrote: > > > >Exciter is a very good album but for me Violator is still number 1. > > > > > >Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, > > > >Kees > > > >Sorry, Kees... but it´s definitely my least favorite of theirs. Somehow, it >just seems a bit uninspired to me and doesn´t have the emtional kick of >albums like 'Black Celebration', ' A Broken Frame' or 'Ultra' for me. > >But that is where opinions differ, of course... ;-) And I believe that when >it comes to music, no one person is ever going to be 'wrong' or 'right' - >it is all a matter of personal taste and the kind of emotions one >associates with a certain kind of music. What makes one person tick might >be a total turn-off for another. And I believe that this is a good thing >because otherwise there would be no diversity whatsoever... I totally agree but it's always funny to read that the CD you're thrilled about is the least favorite with someone else. :-) 'Violator' is one of those albums for me that would be on my top 10 list of albums to take along to an uninhabited island. Mainly because it contains only great songs (in my opinion of course :) which makes it a great album as a whole. There are lots of albums with brilliant songs but there are not so many albums that are great as an album in total. Others on my island list would be: ELO with Time, Hendrix with Electric Ladyland, Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon or Wish you were here, Leftfield-Leftism and KLF-The White Room. Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 8203 AD Lelystad The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 http://www.groove.nl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39837 Re: Island list was Guilty secrets quarlie@a... Quarlie Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB 39840 Re: Island list was Guilty secrets Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited groovekees Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 3:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Island list was Guilty secrets Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited wrote: >Others on my island list would be: ELO with Time, Hendrix with Electric >Ladyland, >Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon or Wish you were here, Leftfield-Leftism >and KLF-The White Room. Funny, 'All Bound for Mu Mu Land' came onto my shuffle playlist just as I read that. --Daniel NP: um, yeah... the KLF - All Bound for Mu Mu Land Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39840 Re: Island list was Guilty secrets Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited groovekees Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 3:43 pm Subject: Enya and Irish Gaelic vs. Scottish Gaelic. (was: Happy St. Paddy's day) This item in the Enya FAQ pretty much explains the whole mess: http://www.enya.org/faq/q4_02.htm First of all Enya is Irish, and her native tongue is Irish Gaelic. Basically, Irish and Scottish both belong to the Gaelic family of languages, but in English it is improper to refer (in writing) to Irish as 'Gaelic' because that term used by itself is the name of the Scottish language. It is proper to refer to the Irish language as 'Irish Gaelic' which is where the confusion comes in. In spoken English, either can be referred to as 'Gaelic', but are pronounced differently. > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Grabowsky [mailto:hghlndr@t...] > Sent: Monday, March 17, 2003 6:20 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Happy St. Paddy's day > > > Gaelic is the Scottish language and not the same as Irish > > THE HIGHLANDER > > > At 01:09 AM 3/18/03 +0100, you wrote: > >----- Original Message ----- > >From: 'Owens, James' > > > >> np - in honor of the day: ENYA (guilty pleasure ?-) > > > >Isnt she Gaelic? Is that the same as Irish? > > > >glenn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39846 Re: Enya and Irish Gaelic vs. Scottish Gaelic. (was: Happy St. Padd Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) glennfolkvord Tue 3/18/2003 3 KB 39849 Re: Enya and Irish Gaelic vs. Scottish Gaelic. (was: Happy St. Padd Owens, James yxalag2 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 4:13 pm Subject: Tammy Wynette Strikes Again On Tue, 18 Mar 2003 10:37:53 -0500 quarlie@a... writes: > Funny, 'All Bound for Mu Mu Land' came onto my shuffle playlist just > as I read that. Yep, Tammy Wynette (on lead vocals for that one). Hey, can we get back on track on this list, now? ;) > --Daniel > NP: um, yeah... the KLF - All Bound for Mu Mu Land Steven Feldman Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39845 Re: Tammy Wynette Strikes Again quarlie@a... Quarlie Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB 39847 Re: Tammy Wynette Strikes Again Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited groovekees Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 4:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Island list was Guilty secrets At 10:37 18-3-03 -0500, you wrote: >Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited wrote: > > >Others on my island list would be: ELO with Time, Hendrix with Electric > >Ladyland, > >Pink Floyd Dark Side of the Moon or Wish you were here, Leftfield-Leftism > >and KLF-The White Room. > >Funny, 'All Bound for Mu Mu Land' came onto my shuffle playlist just as I >read that. > >--Daniel >NP: um, yeah... the KLF - All Bound for Mu Mu Land they're justified and they're ancient.... and they drive an ice cream van... (tammy wanette version :-) Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 8203 AD Lelystad The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 http://www.groove.nl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Yanick Vigneault' Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 4:17 pm Subject: Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Check this Web site (Sergio Sobarzo from Chile): http://www.lacage.free.fr/ http://www.lacage.free.fr/Collection.htm ;-)) --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Marko Marin' > > > > But I have a question... which half is the one that > > occupied the second side of the lp? 0:00-23:00 or > > 23:00-46:00? > > Neither. I dont have the LP to check it, but other people suggest it's a > unique mix, or taken from an even longer version which was used at the 1989 > Jarre exhibition in Paris. > > Glenn From: 'gyedid01' Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 5:33 pm Subject: Re: Guilty secrets --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited wrote: > At 12:50 18-3-03 +0100, you wrote: > >At 02:49 18.03.03, you wrote: > > >I'll get on the wagon and state my guilty secret: Depeche Mode. > > > > > >Gabe > > > >What´s so 'guilty' about that? ;-) I for one part think they are brilliant > >and one of the rather few bands who have aged in style. IMO, they had a low > >phase in the late Eighties/early Nineties with Music for the Masses and > >especially Violator > > Do you really mean that? > Violator is an absolute masterpiece in my book. I was going to say, Martin must be one of the very, VERY few people acquainted with DM's music who think that both Violator *and* MFTM are 'low points' in DM's output. I would say that perhaps in terms of the lyrics, the post-Violator albums are better, but the synth arrangements on Violator are matchless in DM's output, IMO. Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39857 Re: Guilty secrets TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Wed 3/19/2003 3 KB From: 'fozziebear' Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 6:43 pm Subject: Gaelic 'It is proper to refer to the Irish language as 'Irish Gaelic' which is where the confusion comes in. In spoken English, either can be referred to as 'Gaelic', but are pronounced differently.' So what Gaelic do the Manx people of the Isle of Man speak? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39844 Re: Gaelic Owens, James yxalag2 Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB 39855 Re: Gaelic John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 3/19/2003 2 KB 39881 Re: Gaelic Marion Horrod MarionHorrod Thu 3/20/2003 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 6:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Gaelic That would be 'Manx Gaelic'. I'm not sure how you'd pronounce it... Some more Manx Gaelic info: http://www.suite101.com/article.cfm/celtic_internet_resources/87874 > -----Original Message----- > From: fozziebear > So what Gaelic do the Manx people of the Isle of Man speak? From: quarlie@a... Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tammy Wynette Strikes Again Steven Feldman wrote: >Yep, Tammy Wynette (on lead vocals for that one). To nitpick, Tammy actually sang on 'Stand by the Jams.' 'All Bound for Mu Mu Land' is an extended reprise of that song, but with a different singer, whose name I don't recall. >Hey, can we get back on track on this list, now?  ;) No, it's more fun to discuss off-topic minutiae. ;) --Daniel NP: Joe Satriani - Strange Beautiful Music Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39847 Re: Tammy Wynette Strikes Again Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited groovekees Tue 3/18/2003 2 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 7:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Enya and Irish Gaelic vs. Scottish Gaelic. (was: Happy St. Paddy's day) Thanks for not clearing that up! LOL glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' > This item in the Enya FAQ pretty much explains the whole mess: > http://www.enya.org/faq/q4_02.htm > > First of all Enya is Irish, and her native tongue is Irish Gaelic. > > Basically, Irish and Scottish both belong to the Gaelic family of > languages, but in English it is improper to refer (in writing) to > Irish as 'Gaelic' because that term used by itself is the name of > the Scottish language. It is proper to refer to the Irish language > as 'Irish Gaelic' which is where the confusion comes in. > > In spoken English, either can be referred to as 'Gaelic', but > are pronounced differently. From: Kees Aerts / Groove Unlimited Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 7:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tammy Wynette Strikes Again At 14:10 18-3-03 -0500, you wrote: >Steven Feldman wrote: > > >Yep, Tammy Wynette (on lead vocals for that one). > >To nitpick, Tammy actually sang on 'Stand by the Jams.' 'All Bound for Mu >Mu Land' is an extended reprise of that song, but with a different singer, >whose name I don't recall. Maxime Harvey :-) Best regards / Vriendelijke groeten, Kees GROOVE Unlimited (Specializing in Electronic Music) Kees Aerts PO Box 2171 8203 AD Lelystad The Netherlands Phone: +31 (0) 320 219496 ; Fax: +31 (0) 320 218910 http://www.groove.nl [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 8:53 pm Subject: Guilty Secrets or Pleasures??? How about Falco? Um......Frankie Goes to Hollywood? Old TV shows on DVD???: U.F.O. (Gerry Anderson version) Space 1999 (Gerry Anderson again) M*A*S*H (movie and TV) The Saint (Roger Moore) The Prisoner (Patrick Mac...) Buster Keaton Movies Abbott & Costello Movies Guilty as charged. In God's Love Neal 'You can't take it with you - but you CAN send it on ahead - Give.' Pastor Tom Mullins From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 9:37 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Enya and Irish Gaelic vs. Scottish Gaelic. (was: Happy St. Paddy's day) It's almost as confusing as the English forms of 'High Dutch' and 'Low Dutch' (from the lowlands) referring to 'German'(Deutsch) and 'Dutch'... There's a group of early settlers in Pennsylvania referred to as the 'Pennsylvania Dutch' which were actually Germans from the Rhinelands 8-) > -----Original Message----- > From: Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) [mailto:glenn@f...] > > Thanks for not clearing that up! LOL From: David Dunham Date: Tue Mar 18, 2003 10:48 pm Subject: Martin on film? I've got a question. Is that you Martin behind the Z-man in #25 pic (TD in London)? __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39858 Re: Martin on film? TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Wed 3/19/2003 2 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 12:33 am Subject: Best Program for Printing Cover art for TT1 TT2 TT3 I am looking for the best program preferably freeware type that will print all the cover work for all tree releases? Can anybody give me an idea? Robert Asmus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39853 Re: Best Program for Printing Cover art for TT1 TT2 TT3 John Marchington johnmarch1938 Wed 3/19/2003 3 KB 39861 Re: Best Program for Printing Cover art for TT1 TT2 TT3 Antonio Nunes ajogon Wed 3/19/2003 2 KB From: Deb H-J Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 12:43 am Subject: Enya & Gaelic Term Still more esoterica! << Basically, Irish and Scottish both belong to the Gaelic family of languages, but in English it is improper to refer (in writing) to Irish as 'Gaelic' because that term used by itself is the name of the Scottish language. It is proper to refer to the Irish language as 'Irish Gaelic' which is where the confusion comes in. >> Actually, the root 'Gael-' is an old term for someone of the Celtic race, related to 'Gaul' or 'Gallic.' Irish Gaelic terms in use in modern English include 'longshoreman', which is Gaelic in origin, and 'galore.' We also know it by ear here in the U.S. as the origin of many common last names (Daugherty, Doggerty, Dockerty, etc., etc.). I love the musicality of Gaelic in all its forms, especially in song lyrics. Now back to our regularly scheduled Berlin School band! Deb H-J dhj4@y... ===== __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From: 'John Marchington' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 2:08 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Best Program for Printing Cover art for TT1 TT2 TT3 Sorry, I don't know of any freeware, but I use Paint Shop Pro 7.0AE (Anniversary Edition) which I regard very highly. I've never had a problem with incorrect sizing or anything similar and the resultant printouts are truly excellent when using high quality paper. I understand that version 8.0 of PSP is in the final beta stages at present and should be available soon. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Robert Asmus' To: Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 12:33 PM Subject: [tadream] Best Program for Printing Cover art for TT1 TT2 TT3 > I am looking for the best program preferably freeware type that will > print all the cover work for all tree releases? Can anybody give me an > idea? > > > > Robert Asmus > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: David Dunham Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 3:07 am Subject: Cover art I've been getting pretty good results with Photoshop 5. It came free with the camera I bought. __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:05 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Gaelic >It is proper to refer to the Irish language >as 'Irish Gaelic' which is where the confusion comes in. > >In spoken English, either can be referred to as 'Gaelic', but >are pronounced differently. So which one is 'geelic' and which 'gahlic'? Or are they something even more different? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau >Check this Web site (Sergio Sobarzo from Chile): > >http://www.lacage.free.fr/ >http://www.lacage.free.fr/Collection.htm > > > > But I have a question... which half is the one that > > > occupied the second side of the lp? 0:00-23:00 or > > > 23:00-46:00? Despite all the information, I find no mention of which half of Waiting For Cousteau it is on the LP / cassette version... But does it really matter? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets > >I was going to say, Martin must be one of the very, VERY few people >acquainted with DM's music who think that both Violator *and* MFTM are >'low points' in DM's output. Yep! I knew it.... I´m weird... ;-) As I said, I think the way a person is going to rate music is in a large part influenced by the way it emotionally touches him/her. I was pretty disappointed by MFTM as compared to my all-time fave 'Black Celebration' and 'Violator' was the only DM-album I didn´t buy the day it came out (...and I have a pretty solid DM-collection) - it just didn´t kick in with me... I like it more now than I did then but it´s still my least favorite of DM´s. Songs of Faith, Ultra and Exciter, on the contrary, hit me a at first listen - the latter two even manager to grow in my liking the more often I listened to them. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Martin on film? At 14:48 18.03.03, you wrote: >I've got a question. Is that you Martin behind the >Z-man in #25 pic (TD in London)? Uhm... yes. Oh my g*d, I lost my anonymity! Sorry... I seem to be a bit silly today. :-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:23 am Subject: ..and now for something completely different TANGERINE DREAM!! ;-) my 'guilty secret' is 'Rockoon', this is a TD album which not many people seem to like. In fact I almost hated it when I first bought it in 1992, but now I think it is a *very* nice collection of melodic tracks. I had the same feeling with '220 volt live', the first time I heard it I thought TD has sold their souls to commercialism, but now I think it's great (I must admit though that I like the complete version on TT Vol.21, Detroit 1992 even more ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39862 Re: ..and now for something completely different Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Wed 3/19/2003 2 KB 39863 Commercial? Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Wed 3/19/2003 3 KB 39865 Re: Commercial? John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 3/19/2003 3 KB 39879 Re: Commercial? Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Thu 3/20/2003 3 KB 39875 Re: Commercial? quarlie@a... Quarlie Wed 3/19/2003 3 KB 39880 Re: Commercial? John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 3/20/2003 3 KB 39868 Re: ..and now for something completely different Chris Owen ledjarde2000 Wed 3/19/2003 3 KB 39871 Re: ..and now for something completely different Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Wed 3/19/2003 3 KB From: 'Roger Hartopp' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:18 am Subject: Re: Guilty Secrets or Pleasures? Dexter's Laboratory!!!! -Roger ----- Original Message ----- Subject: Guilty Secrets or Pleasures??? How about Falco? Um......Frankie Goes to Hollywood? Old TV shows on DVD???: U.F.O. (Gerry Anderson version) Space 1999 (Gerry Anderson again) M*A*S*H (movie and TV) The Saint (Roger Moore) The Prisoner (Patrick Mac...) Buster Keaton Movies Abbott & Costello Movies Guilty as charged. In God's Love Neal From: 'Antonio Nunes' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 11:38 am Subject: Re: Best Program for Printing Cover art for TT1 TT2 TT3 --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Robert Asmus' wrote: > I am looking for the best program preferably freeware type that will > print all the cover work for all tree releases? Can anybody give me an > idea? I've used IrfanView to print the TT3 covers, on both sides. Certainly it's not the best program, but it's freeware. You can download it from http://www.irfanview.com/ Antonio Nunes From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 1:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ..and now for something completely different HH said: >I had the same feeling with '220 volt live', the first time I heard it I >thought TD has sold their souls to commercialism, but now I think it's >great That was my first TD live album, my first 90s album and since the first listen I liked it a lot... Still in TD, my guilty secret could be Tyger. I think it's excellent - including the singing. Dexter's Lab is great ;) But Tex Avery's cartoons are way better :) (have a 6 hour VHS tape full of them) ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 4:39 pm Subject: Commercial? --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Heiko Heerssen wrote: > TANGERINE DREAM!! > > ;-) > > my 'guilty secret' is 'Rockoon', this is a TD album which not many > people seem to like. In fact I almost hated it when I first bought it in > 1992, but now I think it is a *very* nice collection of melodic tracks. > I had the same feeling with '220 volt live', the first time I heard it I > thought TD has sold their souls to commercialism, but now I think it's > great (I must admit though that I like the complete version on TT > Vol.21, Detroit 1992 even more ;-) > > Heiko Hello, I've never really understood this notion of 'commercial' records. Surely, considering that at the time of _Rockoon_, TD had already lost a huge amount of popularity, any records they made at that time could hardly be called 'commercial': nobody bought them. If anything, records like _Phaedra_ and _Rubycon_ are TD's most commercial records--they are the ones that sold the most copies! There is nothing intrinsically 'commercial' about any record. It's like that other abused word, 'affordable'. Whether something is affordable or not depends on how much money you've got--it's got nothing to do with the thing itself. The Chateau de Versaille is affordable housing if you're Bill Gates or an oil sheik. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39865 Re: Commercial? John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 3/19/2003 3 KB 39879 Re: Commercial? Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Thu 3/20/2003 3 KB 39875 Re: Commercial? quarlie@a... Quarlie Wed 3/19/2003 3 KB 39880 Re: Commercial? John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 3/20/2003 3 KB From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 3:52 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE I had the same sentiments Martin!, nothing to be guilty about Depeche Mode......forget the early pop band image they may have had - this is a talented bunch of musicians - the bands music has changed and developed over the years and maybe not all tracks are to everyone's taste going through some pretty 'heavy' phases but not surprising for any band that has been around for 2 decades. They were always one of the most influential and 'original' electronic bands for me and still have the ability to produce stunning melodies and rhythms with great deep moody edge to them. Compared to the wads of instrumental electronic music I listen to - they are one of the few groups I can actually sing along in the car too! Mat -----Original Message----- From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:martin@t...] Sent: 18 March 2003 11:50 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets At 02:49 18.03.03, you wrote: >I'll get on the wagon and state my guilty secret: Depeche Mode. > >Gabe What´s so 'guilty' about that? ;-) I for one part think they are brilliant and one of the rather few bands who have aged in style. IMO, they had a low phase in the late Eighties/early Nineties with Music for the Masses and especially Violator, but after that they put out real Masterpieces. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39869 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE tei waz teiwazbarana2002 Wed 3/19/2003 2 KB 39895 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE Shez Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39908 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE gyedid01 gyedid01 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 40120 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE shez@a... Sun 3/30/2003 2 KB 40180 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE gyedid01 gyedid01 Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40181 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE gyedid01 gyedid01 Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 39870 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE Chris Owen ledjarde2000 Wed 3/19/2003 3 KB 39921 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE Pergamon pergamondk Sat 3/22/2003 2 KB 39923 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE Mat Mckenzie loart24 Sat 3/22/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 5:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Commercial? >I've never really understood this notion of 'commercial' >records. Surely, considering that at the time of _Rockoon_, >TD had already lost a huge amount of popularity, any >records they made at that time could hardly be called >'commercial': nobody bought them. If anything, records >like _Phaedra_ and _Rubycon_ are TD's most commercial >records--they are the ones that sold the most copies! There >is nothing intrinsically 'commercial' about any record. > >It's like that other abused word, 'affordable'. Whether >something is affordable or not depends on how much money >you've got--it's got nothing to do with the thing itself. >The Chateau de Versaille is affordable housing if you're >Bill Gates or an oil sheik. > >Glynn You've got some interesting points there.. However, I think that there's a very natural explanation for this: the word 'commercial' is not used in the common, or literal, sense. I'd say translates into 'similar to what's popular', not 'sells well' in these sort of contexts. Even though Phaedra has sold well, it's not a record which would hit top 10 sales for a few months and get forgotten after that. And if 'commercial' refers to the style of music listened most... that'd make most jazz and classical music 'commercial' in their own age, too... Concerning 'affordable' I guess it means 'afforable to our target audience'. At least I've never heard the word outside commercial (no parentheses = the usual definition) sources. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39879 Re: Commercial? Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Thu 3/20/2003 3 KB From: Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 6:47 pm Subject: joke auction on ebay Hello all, I found on ebay following auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2514733991&category=2265 on this auction you can buy the 12' inch Vinyl from Tangerine Dreams - Streethawk for US $ 180 or the bid starts with US $ 144 This is a joke or??? Auction closed in one hour from now. I am not the seller !!! Cheers heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de http://www.opticaldream.de FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER: Click to subscribe to ashranewsletter: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter/join Sign up for your Paypal account: https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=WDJX3DNKVFJ9E cool link: http://www.klamm.de/?refid=62978 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39867 Re: joke auction on ebay Owens, James yxalag2 Wed 3/19/2003 2 KB 39873 Re: joke auction on ebay Volkmar Friauf colognese2002 Wed 3/19/2003 2 KB 39874 Re: joke auction on ebay vic rek kyivmission Wed 3/19/2003 2 KB 39882 Re: joke auction on ebay Marion Horrod MarionHorrod Thu 3/20/2003 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 6:40 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] joke auction on ebay I don't think it's a joke. He's also got: JEAN MICHEL JARRE 7' 45 RPM POPCORN/BLACKBIRD for the same prices. Ends in 8 minutes... Better Hurry :-) > -----Original Message----- > From: heiko@o... [mailto:heiko@o...] > > I found on ebay following auction: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2514733991& > category=2265 > > This is a joke or??? From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ..and now for something completely different I'd always loved Red Roadster from Rockoon, one of their most underrated tracks I think. - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Heiko Heerssen To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:23 AM Subject: [tadream] ..and now for something completely different TANGERINE DREAM!! ;-) my 'guilty secret' is 'Rockoon', this is a TD album which not many people seem to like. In fact I almost hated it when I first bought it in 1992, but now I think it is a *very* nice collection of melodic tracks. I had the same feeling with '220 volt live', the first time I heard it I thought TD has sold their souls to commercialism, but now I think it's great (I must admit though that I like the complete version on TT Vol.21, Detroit 1992 even more ;-) Heiko [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39871 Re: ..and now for something completely different Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Wed 3/19/2003 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:45 pm Subject: Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE >I had the same sentiments Martin!, nothing to be guilty about Depeche Mode......forget the early pop band image they may have had - this is a talented bunch of musicians < hmm, actually, I much prefer the material on speak & spell to virtually all their albums after that. --T np TD DSC#12 _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39895 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE Shez Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39908 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE gyedid01 gyedid01 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 40120 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE shez@a... Sun 3/30/2003 2 KB 40180 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE gyedid01 gyedid01 Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40181 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE gyedid01 gyedid01 Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 7:48 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE I totally agree Mat. I rate Exciter as the best album they've ever done. It has 7 or 8 classic tracks. Even Edgar admires the way they work! - Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: Mat Mckenzie To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 3:52 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE I had the same sentiments Martin!, nothing to be guilty about Depeche Mode......forget the early pop band image they may have had - this is a talented bunch of musicians - the bands music has changed and developed over the years and maybe not all tracks are to everyone's taste going through some pretty 'heavy' phases but not surprising for any band that has been around for 2 decades. They were always one of the most influential and 'original' electronic bands for me and still have the ability to produce stunning melodies and rhythms with great deep moody edge to them. Compared to the wads of instrumental electronic music I listen to - they are one of the few groups I can actually sing along in the car too! Mat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Jonathan Holt Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ..and now for something completely different I totally agree. Rockoon is one of my least favourite TD albums BUT Red Roadster is a diamond in the rough and worth putting the cd on for. jonnyboy --- Chris Owen wrote: > I'd always loved Red Roadster from Rockoon, one of > their most underrated tracks I think. > > - Chris > ----- Original Message ----- > From: Heiko Heerssen > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Sent: Wednesday, March 19, 2003 10:23 AM > Subject: [tadream] ..and now for something > completely different > > > TANGERINE DREAM!! > > ;-) > > my 'guilty secret' is 'Rockoon', this is a TD > album which not many > people seem to like. In fact I almost hated it > when I first bought it in > 1992, but now I think it is a *very* nice > collection of melodic tracks. > I had the same feeling with '220 volt live', the > first time I heard it I > thought TD has sold their souls to commercialism, > but now I think it's > great (I must admit though that I like the > complete version on TT > Vol.21, Detroit 1992 even more ;-) > > Heiko > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:28 pm Subject: Images for the Columbia Prohect Hello, dear all, You can download the pictures for the Columbia CDr Project at the following URL : http://perso.wanadoo.fr/fred_y/columbia/index.htm Best Regards, Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Volkmar Friauf Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 8:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] joke auction on ebay At 19:47 19.03.2003, Heiko Neumann wrote: >Hello all, > >I found on ebay following auction: >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2514733991&category=2265 > >on this auction you can buy the 12' inch Vinyl from Tangerine Dreams - >Streethawk for US $ 180 or the bid starts with US $ 144 > >This is a joke or??? > >Auction closed in one hour from now. > >I am not the seller !!! Well, the price is a bit high :-) But if you look at the seller's previous auctions - no, this one is not extraordinary. I'm not sure how rare the Jive 12' is. Maybe the seller was targetting at US clients? Regards, VOlkmar From: 'vic rek' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 9:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] joke auction on ebay From: Volkmar Friauf > Well, the price is a bit high :-) But if you look at the seller's previous > auctions - no, this one is not extraordinary. > I'm not sure how rare the Jive 12' is. Maybe the seller was targetting at > US clients? Are you suggesting that US clients are either very rich or fools? :-) Vic From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 10:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Commercial? 'Glynn Naughton' wrote: >I've never really understood this notion of 'commercial' >records. Surely, considering that at the time of _Rockoon_, >TD had already lost a huge amount of popularity, any >records they made at that time could hardly be called >'commercial': nobody bought them. If anything, records >like _Phaedra_ and  _Rubycon_ are TD's most commercial >records--they are the ones that sold the most copies! There >is nothing intrinsically 'commercial' about any record. I've got to agree. Can you picture Edgar and Jerome working on 'Rockoon' and saying to each other 'This one should really get us some mainstream attention!'? I can't. I don't think they're that naive and I don't think they care that much about getting attention from the mainstream. --Daniel NP: King's X - Faith Hope Love From: Liondream@a... Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 11:32 pm Subject: Re: printing Well, you might be able to just print out of Word or Wordperfect or even the paint program that comes standard with your OS of choice, no need to buy anything fancy. That said... I convert the images to CMYK in PSD first, then place them in Quark and print out to a Canon CLC5000, which prints double-sided. The only way to fly IMO. From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 2:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream]Rockoon I liked this album from the first. The music creates very vivid scenes in my mind, something I especially appreciate about TD. Big City Dwarves: I'm looking down from a 10th story apartment, watching all the 'little' people scurrying below, little cogs in a big city machine. Red Roadster: perfect for a back country drive with the top down enjoying a sunny day. I won't go on but almost all of the album has extremely beautiful music on it to me. I like this one. But then, I also like Goblin's Club. Is that a guilty secret? Not bloody likely! 8-Dell All IMO of course. NP: Melrose Years; I like these reprise songs too. As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Heiko Heerssen >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' >Subject: [tadream] ..and now for something completely different >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:23:31 +0100 > >TANGERINE DREAM!! > >;-) > >my 'guilty secret' is 'Rockoon', this is a TD album which not many >people seem to like. In fact I almost hated it when I first bought it in >1992, but now I think it is a *very* nice collection of melodic tracks. >I had the same feeling with '220 volt live', the first time I heard it I >thought TD has sold their souls to commercialism, but now I think it's >great (I must admit though that I like the complete version on TT >Vol.21, Detroit 1992 even more ;-) > >Heiko _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39890 Re: Rockoon Jim Moore moxica93 Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39897 Re: Rockoon Dennis Nigbur Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB From: 'musonaut' Date: Wed Mar 19, 2003 3:42 pm Subject: T. Dream two rare items Hi, I have for sale these two items from Tangerine Dream. Tangerine Dream 'The Collection' The Collectors Series Side 1: Genesis 6:00 Circulation of Events 5.49 Fauni-Gena 10:43 Side 2: Alpha Centaury 22:00 Side 3: Fly an Collisian of comas sola 13:05 Journay throgh a burning brain 13:25 Side 4: 'Zeit first movement' Birth of liquid Plejades 20:00 White Clouds (recorded 1973 - remix 1984 Label: Castle Communications 2LP Edgar Froese 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' CD Virgin cdv2040 People interested contact me by email: dsm4music@h... greetings musonaut From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 9:13 am Subject: Re: Commercial? --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical' wrote: >You've got some interesting points there.. >However, I think that there's a very natural explanation for this: the word >'commercial' is not used in the common, or literal, sense. I'd say >translates into 'similar to what's popular', not 'sells well' in these sort >of contexts. Indeed. We often refer to 'pop' music that doesn't sell well at all. In that case, I suppose we're referring to the style of the music, rather than how many people buy the record. >And if 'commercial' refers to the style of music listened most... that'd >make most jazz and classical music 'commercial' in their own age, too... We often misuse the term 'bestseller', when what we mean is 'fastseller'. Most pop records/books are fastsellers--they appear briefly on the charts, then disappear for ever. Bach, Beethoven, Goethe, Molière etc. are the real 'bestsellers'--they never generate enough sales in a short enough time to appear on the charts, but they keep on selling for years and years, indeed centuries. How many records has Beethoven sold since the dawn of recorded music, I wonder? Tens of millions? Hundreds? And 100 years from now he will have added more tens of millions, whereas _Thriller_ will remain stuck for the rest of history on 50 million. Glynn From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 9:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Commercial? >We often misuse the term 'bestseller', when what we mean >is 'fastseller'. Most pop records/books are fastsellers--they appear >briefly on the charts, then disappear for ever. Bach, Beethoven, >Goethe, Molière etc. are the real 'bestsellers'--they never generate >enough sales in a short enough time to appear on the charts, but they >keep on selling for years and years, indeed centuries. How many >records has Beethoven sold since the dawn of recorded music, I >wonder? Tens of millions? Hundreds? And 100 years from now he will >have added more tens of millions, whereas _Thriller_ will remain >stuck for the rest of history on 50 million. > >Glynn Are we really competent to say that the hits of today will never sell as well as classical music? Perhaps after a few centuries, Abba or Michael Jackson will be considered 'classical music'? Though I think TD has a bigger risk at becoming 'classical' than the 'commercial' music. Bach wasn't a big name at his own age, either. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Marion Horrod Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 6:42 pm Subject: Re: Gaelic So which one is 'geelic' and which 'gahlic'? Or are they something even more different? That question brought back good memories of a holiday we once took travelling around the Outer Hebrides (islands off the NW of Scotland). We got held up in Oban because the weather had been too bad for the ferry. There was a big bunch of people on their way back from a wedding waiting for the same ferry: they were already somewhat cheerful, and proceeded to get a lot more so in the bar during the 5 hour wait. Anyway, we got chatting with some of them about our proposed walking holiday, and one chap turned to me and asked 'and d'ye hev the garlic?' I was very confused - I mean, I'd got salt and pepper, and a few herbs, for cooking in the youth hostel, but why was _he_ interested? It took me a couple of minutes to catch on. Actually, although we seem like a pretty small place, pronunciation varies over even quite small distances. So I don't think it's easy to say whether it's 'correct' to say gaylic, garlic, gallic etc in any one country - it's more localised than that. (And don't get me started on Cymraig!) LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore From: Marion Horrod Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 6:46 pm Subject: Re: joke auction on ebay 'on this auction you can buy the 12' inch Vinyl from Tangerine Dreams - Streethawk for US $ 180 or the bid starts with US $ 144' Hmm - I _was_ going to put my copy into the grab bag at Ricochet Dreams. Maybe I should think again! LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore From: thomas.soucheleau@n... Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 11:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream]Rockoon I don't listen to rockoon a lot but it's a nice album though, in some kind of weird way. Apart from its musical merits, it's actually the album that made me decide to learn to play the guitar. Thanks for that Jerome (big city dwarves)! It's one of the few real good decisions I made and never had to regret. :) Thomas. ----Message réexpédié---- >A: tadream@yahoogroups.com >De: 'Adele Outland' >Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 21:22:25 -0500 >Sujet: Re: [tadream]Rockoon > >I liked this album from the first. The music creates very vivid scenes in my >mind, something I especially appreciate about TD. Big City Dwarves: I'm >looking down from a 10th story apartment, watching all the 'little' people >scurrying below, little cogs in a big city machine. Red Roadster: perfect >for a back country drive with the top down enjoying a sunny day. I won't go >on but almost all of the album has extremely beautiful music on it to me. I >like this one. But then, I also like Goblin's Club. Is that a guilty secret? >Not bloody likely! >8-Dell > >All IMO of course. >NP: Melrose Years; I like these reprise songs too. > > >As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > > > > >>From: Heiko Heerssen >>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >>To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' >>Subject: [tadream] ..and now for something completely different >>Date: Wed, 19 Mar 2003 11:23:31 +0100 >> >>TANGERINE DREAM!! >> >>;-) >> >>my 'guilty secret' is 'Rockoon', this is a TD album which not many >>people seem to like. In fact I almost hated it when I first bought it in >>1992, but now I think it is a *very* nice collection of melodic tracks. >>I had the same feeling with '220 volt live', the first time I heard it I >>thought TD has sold their souls to commercialism, but now I think it's >>great (I must admit though that I like the complete version on TT >>Vol.21, Detroit 1992 even more ;-) >> >>Heiko > > >_________________________________________________________________ >Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online >http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ------------------------------------------------------------- NetCourrier, votre bureau virtuel sur Internet : Mail, Agenda, Clubs, Toolbar... Web/Wap : www.netcourrier.com Téléphone/Fax : 08 92 69 00 21 (0,34 € TTC/min) Minitel: 3615 NETCOURRIER (0,15 € TTC/min) From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 7:35 pm Subject: Re: Guilty pleasures On the topic of DVD's, I have several of the Battle Of The Planets DVD's (when is Rhino going to put more out?!), and the series boxset of Star Blazers. I still have to get the Young Ones and Monty Python sets (amongst many others I want to acquire). And I guess my collection of B-movies would also consitute 'guilty pleasures'. What kind of B-movies? Flicks like Barracuda, Tentacles, Piranha, Piranha 2: The Spawning, Up From The Depths, Shark's Cave, and Great White. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 8:09 pm Subject: TT3 review time... Okayyy, here we go again... :^) ---------- This installment of the series had material which I was somewhat familiar already with, so it doesn't quite reach the same astounishment level as the previous 2 parts - but it's great nonetheless. The sound quality is near studio by standard! Huge thanks again for everyone involved! I'd give this about 5 out of 6 points by average. Definite highlights: -Vol. 18 parts 4, 1 and 5 -Vol. 25 part 6 -Vol. 24 Zen Garden, Stratosfear, Underwater Twilight and Pilots of Purple Twilight editions -Volumes 22 and 23 as whole ---------- ***Vol. 17*** In case you happen to like Quichotte, you'll love this volume, too, with its crystal clear, near perfect sound. I'm not _that_ impressed, but it ain't bad. The first set begins with industrial sound effects galore, which crossfades into very typical Tangram string ambience. The entry sequence section is a primitive version of the very first Tangram bit - which gets soon replaced by catchy bass sequences with Quichotte-style toppings. Set 2 follows Quichotte pretty faithfully (it's at least 95% similar) for about half an hour; but where the hectic bright sequence for Quichotte part 2 should begin, it doesn't. The bass does appear after a while, though. And instead of a really long guitar solo, there's excellent jazzy keyboard playing. The ending is as released. The encore is the most energetic part of the concert. A racecars-type intro, lively sequencing and more nice keyboard improvisation. If you've heard 'Chimes and Chains' from the 70-80 box set, Electronic Orgy, or some other source, this is kinda like a 14 minutes long version of that track. ***Vol. 18*** This volume resembles vol. 4 closely.. which is not very surprizing, since it's only 5 days apart. The radio announcer murmurs some pseudo-Steve Jollife speech atop some pieces, but that really suits the music. Part 1 is a terrific version of Cherokee Lane, with the intro and outro highly similar to what's to be found on Encore. Part 4 is IMHO the absolute best part of this concert, if not downright the whole 17 disc bunch! The beginning might sound like Drywater Rush (also from vol. 4) but the Soundmill Navigator -type main section is much better, and the brilliant sequencing only keeps getting better towards the end. Plenty of kick-ass arpeggios and mellotron. Sweeeeeeeeeet. Part 5 begins in a curious way, and includes a good guitar solo, slightly similar to Octagon II. The other pieces are OK too, but not great. They equal vol. 4 too: pt 2 - Monolight (almost the same as what's released), pt 3 - Monolith (but this one is lousier) and pt 6 - Rain in Spain. ***Vol. 19*** Of the 5 previous '76 shows on the Tree, I'd say that this show resembles most the Mannheim show on vol. 13; a rather calm mood and lots of these recycled themes. Most of the tracks feature the march-like drumbeat from the main sets of vol. 1. I didn't spot yet any real highlights here, but the overall mood is nice. I'm being a little warier with this volume; I do remember how I blasted the Mannheim show initially, but I've now learned to like it, too. (Vol. 1 remains still the supreme fall 76 show I've heard, though.) Part 4 begins with an interesting acoustic guitar -like solo, and part 5 has some good Sorcerer themes. ***Vol. 20*** This set is almost identical to Valentine Wheels, but more percussion effects based. Silver Scale's IMHO better than on V.W, and Exit appears as an intersting live rendition. 'nuff said. ***Vol. 21*** Not much new stuff here either. The material is at most only slightly different from what's on 220 Volt and studio albums. The anachronistic versions of Waterborne and Story of the Brave are good, and so is Sundance Kid with much more driving rhytm than on 220V. The brigde into Melrose is nice too. On to the next... ***Vol. 22*** Ladies and gentlemen, please fasten your seatbelts... we're arriving into about the most raging TD show. The beginning for this show is like TD would just have gotten their hand on their brand new sound effects Mellotron tapes. All the classics included. They also keep appearing later throughout the 1st piece. A calm flute motif flows onwards, bass backings appear, darker mellotron creeps in and a twitchy drumbeat enters for a brief while. Then everything calms down into keyboard meanderings near the middle... then an angrily trembling sequence fades in and makes pretty clear that it's not going to leave too soon. It does modify into various high flutey rampages and Rubycon Part 2 -type muffled beats, but remains hectic all the way through. A close second to the ending of Horizon when in comes to sounding violent. The ending is flute-centered ambience. Mangled monotonic melody layers introduce the second part. After about seven minutes, the howling mellotron abuse starts climaxing; something starts to happen again. Strange arpeggiative snippets bubble under the surface, like they'd be looking for a way out, and eventually, they do - it's back into the maelstrom again. The creepy high-pitched voices remain, fading in and out: 'shun! shun! shun!' This trip ends after about 10 minutes by slowly dimming away... Too bad that this whole thing only lasts 57 minutes; it sounds positively different. Well, I'll be looking forwards to more '75 concerts... ***Vol. 23*** Glxblt. I honestly think that _this_ music deserves rightfully the name 'Acoustic LSD', not vol. 25. I mean, this stuff is *hardcore*. The basic rhytm is nowhere near sequencing; no, it's some sort of insane bubbling. What's to be found on vol. 2, or 20 minutes into the first set of Live! Improvised!, may give a meek picture, but this one resembles at times accelerated bird calls, horses galloping on a steel roof at a distance, or a boiling pot full of wood blocks. There's also something which sounds like a cat's meowing stretched 50 times, a psychotic twisty guitar solo near the end, and also some little more ordinary ambience. I'm running out of words here... ***Vol. 24*** Some bad stuff here (eek), but (again!) mostly great. Pilots of Purple Twilight has a nice intro - *this* is how Edgar should have treated the material on Tangents and Dream Roots. Stratosfear follows with more of the same style, more than just a bit more in fact. The bridge is all-new interesting material, and the main section is an almost complete reconstruction - but the original sequences do remain somewhere under the new percussive thrills, lead voices and the like. Akash Deep is a very impressive build-up of sequencing, but melody's rare. Sound effects are not spared, including eg. the very hollow drum strikes on 20th C. Serenades: Livemiles pt 2. Followed with Beneath the Waves; relaxed chords waving back and forth. Zen Garden has been edited drastically - drumbeat, new melody lines and the like. Differs from the Antarktis version by having a sparse melody bit reminescent of Heritage Survival. Scuba Scuba remains rhytm-vise almost intact, but the rest is new stuff. The new name Samba Motel is apt. Thunderstorm voices and beautiful arpeggios form the basis for the next track, Coloured Rain; after this there's a piano medley which doesn't impress me. Dolphin Dance has been lenghtened big time. Towards the all-new ending, there's a sequence which appears to be from the 2nd half of London, repeating harpsichordesque melody bits, and the 'boing' from Zen Garden. The next three tracks are boring. Ride on the Ray was better on 20th C. Serenades, Going West is just plain numbing and Yellowstone Park still doesn't work without the vocals. But after these, we're in for something interesting: a really rocking heavy version of Underwater Twilight. Forget the atmospheric choral intro stuff, this one's straight into a fish eat fish world. For desserts, there's some Legend stuff, another piano track, and gloomied, darker versions of Rarebird and Bois de Boulogne. ***Vol. 25*** Again, the first half here features Cherokee Lane (with Soundmill Navigator elements this time) and Monolight (Encore faithful, omitting the piano solos). Track 2 is based on a slow, moody bass sequence, typical excellent Mellotron playing, and some features from part 4 of vol. 18. So far we have a rather typical '77 show... The next track is another variant of the Monolith theme cluster, but! here it starts to get heavy. Edgar's guitar playing is more aggressive and fast-paced than usually; the sequencers, however, disappointingly don't burst into an all-out bass rumpus, but stick with Livemilesquely rattling drum lines. This climaxes during the next track, which is too short though (7 minutes?? This is supposed to be a 70s TD concert!) Oh, and the gap between these two tracks appears to be the source for the 'we want some more!' audience applause snippet which is cut-and-pasted everywhere on Encore. The last two tracks are again more typical (& IMHO unimpressive) 77 stuff, still showing signs of a lately experienced adrenaline rush though. ***Vol. 26*** The material from this tour is, I'd say, only interesting as a precursor to the great 81 material that's to be heard on vol. 14. Despite the preset setlist, the overall mood is still very close to the 70s material. The same two or three Generic Instruments play just about every lead; it starts getting really tedious during the 2nd set. Not even Silver Scale and Choronzon are spared! There's not many, but however some pieces that are not found on vol. 14. The first one is Oceadium, a relaxed track beginning with some whispering Kiev Mission sound FX, and then starting static metallic sequencer patterns. No real melody, just extended mellow keyboard noodling. Bruparck (?) is a piano solo which doesn't impress me. Phase Change, even though there was a track of the same name (but not same content) on vol. 14, is something different: a freaky organ solo overlaid with some Quichotte-style effects. Finally, Atomium is a guitar solo piece with primitive Thermal Inversion and Dr. Destructo elements (at least in the beginning). The already familiar tracks then... Undulation is a little more energetic here than on vol. 14, where it sounds somewhat sound effects centered. Calymba Caly begins with a new, 80s-video-games style section; the keyboard solo during the 'Elektro Part' is not as perplexing as the 81 counterpart, but the first half of this section is moodier than what was to follow on the next tour. The 'Ancient Part' feels the same as on vol. 14 or Antique Dreams, but the lead lines are more persistent and numerous. The intro of Silver Scale is perhaps a little more energetic, but overall the 2nd set & Choronzon sound sort of muddy. And there's that 'boring lead lines' effect too. ---------- John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39891 Re: TT3 review time... Jim Moore moxica93 Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39932 Re: TT3 review time... Harry dat_dream Sat 3/22/2003 4 KB 39938 Re: TT3 review time... Jim Moore moxica93 Sun 3/23/2003 4 KB 39892 Re: TT3 review time... Heiko Heerssen td_freak Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39900 Re: TT3 review time... moxica@a... moxica93 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 9:14 pm Subject: Tagerine Dream v Jarre Whislt looking at the inner booklet of Jarres Oxygene,i could not help thinking that JMJ thought that he was the worlds first Electronic Genius,well JMJ,i as talented as you WERE,you learned your trade from the TIMELESS TEACHERS,as you said in your sounds interveiw of Jan 77,Tangerine Dream are the GREATEST.HMMMM we all know that dont we? Pretenders will come and pretenders will FALL. Tangerine Dream-Without doubt the WORLDS Greatest EM of all time. RUBYCON RULES,and you know it. Tangerine Dream-Probably the Greatest band of all TIME. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39888 Re: Tagerine Dream v Jarre Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) glennfolkvord Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39889 Re: Tagerine Dream v Jarre Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39893 Re: Tagerine Dream v Jarre TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39899 Re: Tagerine Dream v Jarre Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Fri 3/21/2003 4 KB 39902 KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39904 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39909 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre gyedid01 gyedid01 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39913 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39915 Re: KS and EF Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 10:46 pm Subject: FTP Download of TT3 from Me Can everybody please contact me off list if you have finished downloading TT3 from my ftp server? Robert Asmus Asmus0324@c... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 12:31 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre JMJ was making electronic music when TD had not laid hands on a synth yet (figuratively speaking). Otherwise your message was really funny :-) Glenn ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Colin Jouxson' To: Sent: Thursday, March 20, 2003 10:14 PM Subject: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre > Whislt looking at the inner booklet of Jarres Oxygene,i could not > help thinking that JMJ thought that he was the worlds first > Electronic Genius,well JMJ,i as talented as you WERE,you learned your > trade from the TIMELESS TEACHERS,as you said in your sounds interveiw > of Jan 77,Tangerine Dream are the GREATEST.HMMMM we all know that > dont we? Pretenders will come and pretenders will FALL. > Tangerine Dream-Without doubt the WORLDS Greatest EM of all time. > RUBYCON RULES,and you know it. > Tangerine Dream-Probably the Greatest band of all TIME. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39889 Re: Tagerine Dream v Jarre Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39893 Re: Tagerine Dream v Jarre TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39899 Re: Tagerine Dream v Jarre Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Fri 3/21/2003 4 KB 39902 KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39904 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39909 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre gyedid01 gyedid01 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39913 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39915 Re: KS and EF Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39917 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 3:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre >JMJ was making electronic music when TD had not laid hands on a synth yet >(figuratively speaking). >Otherwise your message was really funny :-) >Glenn he was a member of Pierre Schaeffer's Groupe de Recherches Musicales in 1969, making electroacoustic music... and Schulze was who introduced synths to Edgar... there was still Theremin, Varèse, Stockhausen, decades before Schulze, Froese, Jarre, Ralf und Florian, Göttsching, Czukay and Karoli, Diermaier and Irmler, Schnitzler, Moebius and Roedelius etc. and before Varèse, Stravinsky was making his orchestral explorations. who was the teacher? just one cent more. gj np Eloy - Inside ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39893 Re: Tagerine Dream v Jarre TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39899 Re: Tagerine Dream v Jarre Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Fri 3/21/2003 4 KB 39902 KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39904 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39909 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre gyedid01 gyedid01 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39913 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39915 Re: KS and EF Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39917 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39910 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] attn: Martin Kasprzak Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 3:11 am Subject: RE: [tadream]Rockoon Back in spring 1992 when I bought Rockoon, it was a clear sunny day in Atlanta. I played the album in my car with the windows rolled down all the way from Buckhead to Downtown via Peachtree Street (*The* Peachtree Street). Both Atlanta and myself have changed quite a bit since then, but the city and the album will always be joined in my memory. - jim ------------ From: Adele Outland [mailto:outlanda60@h...] I liked this album from the first. The music creates very vivid scenes in my mind, something I especially appreciate about TD. Big City Dwarves: I'm looking down from a 10th story apartment, watching all the 'little' people scurrying below, little cogs in a big city machine. Red Roadster: perfect for a back country drive with the top down enjoying a sunny day. I won't go on but almost all of the album has extremely beautiful music on it to me. From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 3:35 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TT3 review time... Okay -- I've been holding back here, as I think the Tree project has been spectacular overall. But I have to ask: why was this particular recording from the 1986 N.A. tour chosen? Have my ravings about the audience noise from the Somnambulistic Imagery recording gone un-noticed? Seriously, if someone ever invents a time machine, I'm going to steal it to go back in time to 1986 and find out who those people who talked through the entire concert were, and then I'm going to go back further in time to prevent their respective conceptions so that their existence is wiped from the time stream! I mean, did they actually pay money to attend that concert? Was this actually a dinner/concert venue? Was there like a lot of loud construction going on in their communities that they had to escape to a concert venue to have a conversation? I know that Starbucks weren't in vogue back then, but there had to be a bistro of some kind they could have yakked their heads off in -- maybe they'd been kicked out of everywhere else. And why didn't the person making the recording take a cricket bat to their heads during the beginning of the concert? 'Hey folks, this isn't a f*cking Slappy White gig at the Sands -- some us of would like to hear the music as this band hasn't toured the US in nine years! And maybe someone might be recording the show and no one want to preserve your damn yap for posterity for the next fifteen years!' Alright... Calm blue ocean... Calm blue ocean... - jim -----Original Message----- From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] ***Vol. 24*** Some bad stuff here (eek), but (again!) mostly great... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39932 Re: TT3 review time... Harry dat_dream Sat 3/22/2003 4 KB 39938 Re: TT3 review time... Jim Moore moxica93 Sun 3/23/2003 4 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 7:56 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 review time... > Okay -- I've been holding back here, as I think the Tree project has been > spectacular overall. But I have to ask: why was this particular recording > from the 1986 N.A. tour chosen? Have my ravings about the audience noise > from the Somnambulistic Imagery recording gone un-noticed? Hello Jim, Laguna Hills was chosen because of the very good sound quality. I must agree though that the audience noises are sometimes disturbing. The funny thing is that maybe 2-3 weeks after the release of TT3 I received another great sounding recording of the Cleveland Music Hall 24 June 1986 concert which must be very close to the master tape, crowd noises are minimal but IMO the peformance is better than Laguna Hills. So I'm sure that sooner or later Cleveland 86 will also see the light as a future TT concert. Heiko From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 9:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre > >and Schulze was who introduced synths to Edgar... Sorry, Gustavo, but that is complete bull... Schulze used to be a drummer, especially in his short time in TD. Edgar already played Mellotrons and experimented with electronic devices when Schulze had not laid his hands on an electronic device yet. And actually Schulze only started turning to electronics and synthesizer music after TD had acquired their modular Moog from a Rollings Stones related source. And believe me, I have seen solid evidence for what I am saying. I believe that you´re right in the rest of your comment that TD were not the first people to experiment with electronic musical devices, but I cannot let this stand. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39899 Re: Tagerine Dream v Jarre Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Fri 3/21/2003 4 KB 39902 KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39904 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39909 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre gyedid01 gyedid01 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39913 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39915 Re: KS and EF Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39917 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39910 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] attn: Martin Kasprzak Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB From: 'ravnnet' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 9:39 am Subject: Mota Atma tracklist and other details The Mota Atma tracklist is: 1. The Courage to Lose 2. For the Summit Only 3. No Pleasure No Pain 4. Royal Way of Privacy 5. Phoenix Burning 6. Prophet in Chains 7. Snow on Angel's Feather 8. A Fair Day's Wage 9. Brain Offender 10. A Day in Liberty Valley So now where is track 2 from the Astoria single ? You can pre-order and see more info at http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/catalogue.php/Release/1072/ Regards, Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39919 Re: Mota Atma tracklist and other details Adele Outland outlanda60 Sat 3/22/2003 3 KB 39922 Re: Mota Atma tracklist and other details Colin Jouxson convention24 Sat 3/22/2003 3 KB 39926 Re: Mota Atma tracklist and other details Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Sat 3/22/2003 3 KB 39933 Re: Mota Atma tracklist and other details Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sat 3/22/2003 2 KB 39964 Mota Atma tracklist and other details lee_nielinger lee_nielinger Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB 39965 Re: Mota Atma tracklist and other details John Vertical omegatransfinito Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB 39980 Re: Mota Atma tracklist and other details michael_berling michael_berling Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB From: Shez Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 6:47 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE > >hmm, actually, I much prefer the material on speak & spell to virtually all >their albums after that. oh no, it's very poor musically. beep beep beep new life new life beep beep beep Ridiculous. Only my opinion of course but I think tracks such as 'Never Let Me Down Again' are just more interesting. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39908 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE gyedid01 gyedid01 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 40120 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE shez@a... Sun 3/30/2003 2 KB 40180 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE gyedid01 gyedid01 Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40181 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE gyedid01 gyedid01 Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB From: Shez Date: Thu Mar 20, 2003 6:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Guilty Secrets: Duran Duran and Tammy Wynette Mine is / are many Italo Disco stuff of the 80's: Gazebo, Den Harrow, and a couple others. + I even collect these records, especially the 12' Singles. From: Dennis Nigbur Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 10:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream]Rockoon On 19 Mar 2003 at 21:22, Adele Outland wrote: > I liked this album from the first. The music creates very vivid scenes > in my mind, something I especially appreciate about TD. Big City Sorry, this is one of the few TD albums that I really haven't been able to get into. I quite like Big City Dwarves, I think Touchwood isn't bad (certainly like it more than any of the umpteen remixes we've had of it), and Spanish Love and Lifted Veil both have a nice melody. Penguin Reference only works for me for about a minute towards the end of the track, when the sound becomes a bit more voluminous and the main melody line kicks in. Most of the rest I just don't find interesting. And the endings of most tracks tend to sound to me as if they were either thrown together at the last minute or lifted from nursery rhymes. > I also like Goblin's Club. Is that a guilty secret? Not bloody likely! Now, that's one of my recent favourites! It's probably just me, but I think there's a world of difference between the two albums. Most people like Towards the Evening Star, but it's been the non-obvious candidates like United Goblins Parade, Elf June, and Sad Merlin's Sunday that have really grown on me. I find them much more subtle and interesting than anything on Rockoon. Dennis From: tom george Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 12:46 pm Subject: Tyranny of Beauty & Mortiis I recently aquired a cassette of TOB. Of course I have many different cd versions of this but getting the cassette made me listen to this again. This has got to be my favorite of the later day TD. There is not a bad track on this album. Lots of guitar, powerful tracks with loads of underlying beauty. A true masterpiece. Mortiis (for those that don't know) was in a death metal band called Emperor. After leaving them he made some albums under the band name Vond and then 5 or so under his own name. His stage makeup and clothes resemble a really twisted version of Kiss. His face is made up to look like part bat, part troll and who knows what else but it is just plain scary. He wears a bizarre leather suit with bat wings. His music (after Emperor) is a mix of dark ambient, spoken non-english vocals, with loads of keyboards. I think he is from Norway. If you are curious about him have a look at www.mortiis.com. Why do I mention Mortiis? I read an interview with him where he takes a whole paragraph to say how much TD has influenced him. Also on his latest cd 'The Smell of Rain' he lists TD in his Thanks to: section. Be forewarned that if you want to try some of Mortiis's music, and want to hear the dark ambient, skip all Emperor and his latest album. On his latest he has gone all vocals and is obviously trying to go the commercial goth route. Well at least this has been 85% on topic. Tom __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 12:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre Perhaps Gustavo is thinking of Kitaro. Schulze did introduce him to synths (or so the story goes). MJ > -----Original Message----- > From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak [mailto:martin@t...] > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 4:38 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre > > > > > > >and Schulze was who introduced synths to Edgar... > > Sorry, Gustavo, but that is complete bull... Schulze used to be a > drummer, > especially in his short time in TD. Edgar already played Mellotrons and > experimented with electronic devices when Schulze had not laid > his hands on > an electronic device yet. And actually Schulze only started turning to > electronics and synthesizer music after TD had acquired their > modular Moog > from a Rollings Stones related source. > > And believe me, I have seen solid evidence for what I am saying. > > I believe that you´re right in the rest of your comment that TD were not > the first people to experiment with electronic musical devices, but I > cannot let this stand. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39902 KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39904 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39909 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre gyedid01 gyedid01 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39913 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39915 Re: KS and EF Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39917 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39910 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] attn: Martin Kasprzak Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB From: moxica@a... Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 review time... Cool... I want one! -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... > Laguna Hills was chosen because of the very good sound quality. I must agree > though that the audience noises are sometimes disturbing. The funny thing is > that maybe 2-3 weeks after the release of TT3 I received another great sounding > recording of the Cleveland Music Hall 24 June 1986 concert which must be very > close to the master tape, crowd noises are minimal but IMO the peformance is > better than Laguna Hills. So I'm sure that sooner or later Cleveland 86 will > also see the light as a future TT concert. From: moxica@a... Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 2:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre I'd love to have seen this transaction: Mick: 'Keith! The 'Orange Sunshine' people are here!' Keith: 'mumble... I don't want any more f*ckin' mumble...' Mick: 'No, no. They're here for the keyboard!' Keith: 'Keyboard? mumble... When did we start mumble using a keyboard?' Mick: 'I tell you, man. These guys look like bloody Vikings!' Keith: 'mumble... *cough* Who? Did you say they were the 'Lemon Vikings'?' [and so on...] Man, I gotta lay off this 24-hour Fox News war coverage... -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... > And actually Schulze only started turning to > electronics and synthesizer music after TD had acquired their modular Moog > from a Rollings Stones related source. From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 2:06 pm Subject: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre I know about Kitaro but no, I really meant Edgar... sorry; must be mixed up memories and things I've read and stuff. but wasn't KS experimenting with organs, and he tried to bring that to TD but Edgar wasn't interested then? or something like that? >Perhaps Gustavo is thinking of Kitaro. Schulze did introduce him to synths >(or so the story goes). >MJ > > >and Schulze was who introduced synths to Edgar... > > > > Sorry, Gustavo, but that is complete bull... Schulze used to be a > > drummer, especially in his short time in TD.(...) > > Best regards, Martin Kasprzak ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39904 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB 39909 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre gyedid01 gyedid01 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39913 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39915 Re: KS and EF Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39917 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39910 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] attn: Martin Kasprzak Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 3:32 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre IIRC that is what is written in the big booklet that comes with Kitaro's 'Ten Years' > -----Original Message----- > From: Michael A Jean [mailto:michaeljean@e...] > Perhaps Gustavo is thinking of Kitaro. Schulze did introduce > him to synths > (or so the story goes). From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 3:52 pm Subject: Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre > >but wasn't KS experimenting with organs, and he tried to bring that to TD >but Edgar wasn't interested then? or something like that? Not really, sorry... TD were already using the Farfisa prior to the first album and KS was only the drummer and nothing more - he was then replaced by Chris Franke, who, in the beginning was also purely the band´s drummer. AFAIK, in the beginning of Ash Ra Tempel, KS was also purely responsible for drums. From what I know, Schulze turned to synths around the time Phaedra was released. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39909 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre gyedid01 gyedid01 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39913 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39915 Re: KS and EF Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39917 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39910 Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] attn: Martin Kasprzak Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Fri 3/21/2003 3 KB From: 'Tom Richmond' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 4:07 pm Subject: 'Between the Stars' tribute CD tree Just a reminder that I'm taking sign-ups for the 'Between the Stars' CDR tree. It's the tribute to the Columbia crew disc put together by Jerome Salyers, with artwork by Yannick Edom. Anyone interested in participating should contact me at trichmond@b... with the following: Name City/State/Country Preferred Status - Branch or Leaf (If branch, please indicate the number of leaves you could support) Cheers! Tom Richmond Menomonee Falls, WI NP - Dreamwatchers' Tales III, Disc 2 ________________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you received this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and such actions may be unlawful. From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 5:26 pm Subject: Update - Ticket Outlets for Soundscapes The Soundscapes Concert Series featuring vidnaObmana will be held at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island, located in historic Bethlehem on the north bank of the Lehigh River. The IceHouse has been described as a perfect venue for a concert of spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free buffet dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Advance tickets are available at: Compact Disc Center 1365 Easton Ave. Bethlehem, Pennsylvania 610-868-3070 Speedy's Record Shop 1001 Union Blve. Allentown, Pennsylvania 610-432-8386 On-line at: http://electro-music.com NOTE: There are no discounts on advance tickets. Tickets at the door will be discounted by $3 for those who show their WDIY or WMUH membership cards or their full-time student ID. FULL INFORMATION IS AVAILABLE AT http://soundscapes.us [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 4:15 pm Subject: Soundscapes Concert Series The Soundscapes Concert Series proudly presents vidnaObmana in an all ages concert of space music at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island 56 River Street West Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Saturday, April 19, 2003 Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:30 pm FREE Buffet Dinner by Chef Jeff Tickets: $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Soundscapes #4 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music. For the fourth installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series, vidnaObmana will perform a concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem on the north bank of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse is a perfect venue for a concert of spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free buffet dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Advance ticket availability is on-line at http://electro-music.com at coming soon to local outlets. NOTE: There are no discounts on advance tickets. Tickets at the door will be discounted by $3 for those who show their WDIY or WMUH membership cards or their full-time student ID. INFORMATION: http://soundscapes.us CONTACT: Bill Fox billfox@f... 610-746-9615 VIDNAOBMANA: Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one of spacemusic's brightest stars. Using synthesizers, audio processors, and a vast array of exotic instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana creates a complex, layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and sonic atmospheres. The name vidnaObmana means 'optical illusion' in Servo-Croation, a term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during his childhood. He chose this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate how his music correlates sonically with the surreal soundscapes he creates. vidnaObmana is a prolific composer whose diverse body of work ranges from post-industrial through gently atmospheric, to tribal ambient and more. His music slowly shifts through electronic audio imagery, creating extremely personal works of atmospheric delight. Throughout his career, vidnaObmana has explored the abrasive side of electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, international music traditions, and post-classical experimentations. His music has been released widely by many independent labels worldwide, including: Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt and others. A significant portion of vidnaObmana's work has been realized in collaboration with some of the world's most interesting musicians such as Alio Die, Jeff Pearce, Steve Roach, Djen Ajakan Shean, Asmus Tietchens, and Brannan Lane. FLIER: A concert flier is available for download at http://soundscapes.us/concert flier.pdf You are encouraged to take an active role in the health of the electronic music scene by printing, displaying, and distributing this flier. Forwarding of this email message helps, too! ROBERT RICH: Robert Rich will come to the Soundscapes Concert Series on Saturday, July 12, 2003. Tickets will be $20 at the door, $17 in advance (on sale starting April 20), and $15 for ticket holders during the vidnaObmana concert on April 19. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'gyedid01' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 7:17 pm Subject: Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE well, if you want to split hairs, _Speak and Spell_ isn't really a Depeche Mode album, it's a Vince Clarke album with DM as the backing band. I'm pretty sure that Clarke wrote and arranged all the songs on _S&S_. Gabe to try and get this thread on topic, wouldn't it be cool if TD could do some DM covers as encores for their shows? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40120 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE shez@a... Sun 3/30/2003 2 KB 40180 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE gyedid01 gyedid01 Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40181 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE gyedid01 gyedid01 Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB From: 'gyedid01' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 7:15 pm Subject: Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre Um, I don't have a discography handy, but hadn't Schulze already released _Irrlicht_ and _Picture Music_ by the time _Phaedra_ came out? Gabe Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39913 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39915 Re: KS and EF Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39917 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 7:41 pm Subject: Re: KS and EF RE: [tadream] attn: Martin Kasprzak Martin, just a couple of things: 1. Isn't it time for a new poll on the TD website? 2. Waaaay back last summer in the dark days of the TD website forum, you mentioned it might be possible for us to present a fan-written FAQ (or even SAQ, Seldom Asked Questions!). Is there a realistic possibility of this happening? I was just thinking that the topice below would have been a blinder for Edgar! And what does Jerome think of Klaus Schulze music? etc I would still be willing to compile questions from the submissions of others... V. curious, jonnyboy. --- TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > > > > >but wasn't KS experimenting with organs, and he > tried to bring that to TD > >but Edgar wasn't interested then? or something like > that? > > Not really, sorry... > > TD were already using the Farfisa prior to the > first album and KS was > only the drummer and nothing more - he was then > replaced by Chris Franke, > who, in the beginning was also purely the band´s > drummer. AFAIK, in the > beginning of Ash Ra Tempel, KS was also purely > responsible for drums. From > what I know, Schulze turned to synths around the > time Phaedra was released. > > > Best regards, > > Martin Kasprzak > TDI- Music- Support. > Tel:-49-30-23620995 > Fax:-49-30-23620996 > > Visit our Website at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.org > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been > removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 8:25 pm Subject: FAQ Steve Jenkins was hosting one on his web site at www.lpool.demon.co.uk However, it looks like the link is dead now. I and many others on the old UWP list contributed to Steve's FAQ, which was an update from an older text-only version. Steve: if you're out there, do you still have a copy of this somehwere? If not, has anyone else archived it? James > -----Original Message----- > From: Jonathan Holt [mailto:plantpot_73@y...] > 2. Waaaay back last summer in the dark days of the TD > website forum, you mentioned it might be possible for > us to present a fan-written FAQ (or even SAQ, Seldom > Asked Questions!). Is there a realistic possibility of > this happening? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39929 Re: FAQ Mondarino Sat 3/22/2003 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 8:43 pm Subject: Re: KS and EF Martin K said: > TD were already using the Farfisa prior to the first album and KS was >only the drummer and nothing more - he was then replaced by Chris Franke, >who, in the beginning was also purely the band´s drummer. AFAIK, in the >beginning of Ash Ra Tempel, KS was also purely responsible for drums. From >what I know, Schulze turned to synths around the time Phaedra was >released. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak Ashra's first album says KS plays 'Drums, Percussion, Electronics' but I believe these electronics mean his tape devices, echo machines and stuff; not really a synth, yes. But Picture Music, made in 'autumn 1973', according to KS's site, had VCS3, Arp Odyssee, ARP 2600 and a Farfisa (according to the booklet)... Phaedra was released in 1974. ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 8:45 pm Subject: Re: KS and EF >Um, I don't have a discography handy, but hadn't Schulze already >released _Irrlicht_ and _Picture Music_ by the time _Phaedra_ came >out? >Gabe Irrlicht - 1972 Cyborg - 1973 Picture Music was made in 1973, already with synths, right after Cyborg, but released in 1975 Blackdance - 1974 (the first release with synths) ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39915 Re: KS and EF Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB 39917 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 10:03 pm Subject: OT KS - Dreams lyrics Hello, does anyone have the lyrics for Klaustrophony, the last track from KS' Dreams? ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39952 Re: OT KS - Dreams lyrics Volkmar Friauf colognese2002 Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 9:55 pm Subject: Re: KS and EF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > >Um, I don't have a discography handy, but hadn't Schulze already > >released _Irrlicht_ and _Picture Music_ by the time _Phaedra_ came > >out? > >Gabe > > Irrlicht - 1972 > Cyborg - 1973 > Picture Music was made in 1973, already with synths, right after Cyborg, > but released in 1975 > Blackdance - 1974 (the first release with synths) > > ------ > Gustavo Jobim > http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br > gustavojobim@s... Alpha Centauri 1971 with Zither VCS3 Synthi and of course Zeit 1972 with the VCS3 Synth again and Florian Fricke(Popul Vuh) big Moog. As the late great Lester Bangs once said,I swear i saw God at that TD concert.TD-Phaedra Rubycon,the greatest albums EVER.Get my drift. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39917 Re: KS and EF Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Fri 3/21/2003 2 KB From: Bradley Duke/Cambridge/IBM Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 10:00 pm Subject: Astoria Poster in Existence? Hi, Can anyone tell me if there were any concert adverts (posters) for the Astoria gig last month? And if yes, does anyone have any? And if yes, does anyone have any they'd wish to part with for moolah? Thanks. Brad From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 10:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: KS and EF I said: > > Blackdance - 1974 (the first release with synths) Colin replied: >Alpha Centauri 1971 with Zither VCS3 Synthi and of course Zeit(...) There seems to be a misunderstanding here; I was talking about KS's discography, so Blackdance is _Schulze's_ first release with synths... GJ np. Solaris ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 10:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre Great early EM audioreference: OHM Records' 'The early gurus of electronic music : 1948-1980' http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?ean=52296367022 ... not that I can sit there and listen to Clara Rockmore all day, but it is a very interesting exploration. I'd also recommend the DVD 'Theremin - An Electronic Odyssey' ASIN: B00005BKZO, and at amazon.com, you'll find related links. Every Electronic Music devotee should make it a point to put the headphones on for 'Symphony in Three Movements' by Stravinsky. > -----Original Message----- > From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@s...] > there was still Theremin, Varèse, Stockhausen, decades before Schulze, > Froese, Jarre, Ralf und Florian, Göttsching, Czukay and Karoli, Diermaier > and Irmler, Schnitzler, Moebius and Roedelius etc. > and before Varèse, Stravinsky was making his orchestral explorations. > > From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 2:10 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mota Atma tracklist and other details I read this on that site: The release of Mota Atma is supported by an extensive feature on the band on 150 US radio stations and on 'Echoes' (a daily two-hour music soundscape, distributed by Public Radio International and broadcast on over 150 radio stations from Maine to California). Where/when/how? do I find out the schedule of broadcast? Anybody know and can guide me? Thanks. 8-Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'ravnnet' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Mota Atma tracklist and other details > >You can pre-order and see more info at >http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/catalogue.php/Release/1072/ > >Regards, >Peter _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39922 Re: Mota Atma tracklist and other details Colin Jouxson convention24 Sat 3/22/2003 3 KB 39926 Re: Mota Atma tracklist and other details Michael A Jean mikejeanwork Sat 3/22/2003 3 KB 39933 Re: Mota Atma tracklist and other details Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sat 3/22/2003 2 KB 39964 Mota Atma tracklist and other details lee_nielinger lee_nielinger Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 2:22 am Subject: Re: Mortiis (OT) Actually, I think he looks like Blix. The Legend one, not the bomb sniffer in Iraq. 8-Dell All IMO of course NP: Rockoon: I always follow the list. Penguin reference: I like the musicality of it, but it is probably the only one I don't get any mind pictures for and I guess it's because I can't really relate it to penguins. It sounds more like a stroll down Broadway (also on the album) in top coat and tails. Hm. Ok. I just saw a picture of a different kind of penguin! As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: tom george >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: [tadream] Tyranny of Beauty & Mortiis >Date: Fri, 21 Mar 2003 04:46:21 -0800 (PST) >Mortiis (for those that don't know) was in a death >metal band called Emperor. After leaving them he >made some albums under the band name Vond and then >5 or so under his own name. His stage makeup and >clothes resemble a really twisted version of Kiss. >His face is made up to look like part bat, part >troll and who knows what else but it is just plain >scary. He wears a bizarre leather suit with bat >wings. His music (after Emperor) is a mix of dark >ambient, spoken non-english vocals, with loads of >keyboards. I think he is from Norway. If you are >curious about him have a look at www.mortiis.com. _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39967 Re: Mortiis (OT) TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB 39968 Re: Mortiis (OT) Rolf Elfström rcade666 Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB 39975 Re: Mortiis (OT) moxica@a... moxica93 Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 2:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE No, Tore tora tora and Big muff was written by Gore.......... > well, if you want to split hairs, _Speak and Spell_ isn't really a > Depeche Mode album, it's a Vince Clarke album with DM as the backing > band. I'm pretty sure that Clarke wrote and arranged all the songs > on _S&S_. > Gabe From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 8:14 am Subject: Re: Mota Atma tracklist and other details --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Adele Outland' wrote: > I read this on that site: > > The release of Mota Atma is supported by an extensive feature on the band on > 150 US radio stations and on 'Echoes' (a daily two-hour music soundscape, > distributed by Public Radio International and broadcast on over 150 radio > stations from Maine to California). > > Where/when/how? do I find out the schedule of broadcast? Anybody know and > can guide me? Thanks. 8-Dell > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > >From: 'ravnnet' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [tadream] Mota Atma tracklist and other details > > > >You can pre-order and see more info at > >http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/catalogue.php/Release/1072/ > > > >Regards, > >Peter > On the Astoria special release it states that the second track Gate Of Saturn is from the forthcoming album Mota Atma,whilst looking at the Voiceprint track list i could not seem to find it,if this track is not to be included on the album,this will make the single a nice collectors item,unless of course it comes out on a future compilation. Best regards Colin > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Fri Mar 21, 2003 10:09 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE I'd have to chip in there! I actually like beep beep electronics too & the tracks Photographic, Tora! Tora! Tora!, Big Muff and Any Second Now Voices are pretty good though the LP A Broken Frame was the one that got me into DM big time - much 'deeper' I think I'd be right in saying DM 'themselves' try to brush their early stuff under the carpet & forget about it but I like the vince clarkey bouncy fat analogue sounds so i disagree with them too! Mat -----Original Message----- From: Shez [mailto:shez@a...] Sent: 20 March 2003 18:48 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE > >hmm, actually, I much prefer the material on speak & spell to virtually all >their albums after that. oh no, it's very poor musically. beep beep beep new life new life beep beep beep Ridiculous. Only my opinion of course but I think tracks such as 'Never Let Me Down Again' are just more interesting. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 9:07 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre >Great early EM audioreference: OHM Records' 'The early gurus of electronic >music : 1948-1980' >http://music.barnesandnoble.com/search/product.asp?ean=52296367022 >... not that I can sit there and listen to Clara Rockmore all day, but it >is >a very interesting exploration. I'd also recommend the DVD 'Theremin - An >Electronic Odyssey' ASIN: B00005BKZO, and at amazon.com, you'll find >related >links. I remember reading somewhere that the world's first purposeful electronic sounds were produced already in World Expo of Whatever in the late 1800s... the oscillator device was the size of a train car. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:30 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau Sorry if this has already been replied to! The track was an example of fractal music, which is never supposed to repeat. I've listened to them both many times (It was played at my wedding whilst the guests arrived). I believe that they are both different recordings rather than the LP simply having an edit of the CD version. It would be nice to hear a multi-channel SACD version! Regards Matthew -----Original Message----- From: Gustavo Jobim [mailto:gustavojobim@s...] Sent: 17 March 2003 18:36 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau >But I have a question... which half is the one that >occupied the second side of the lp? 0:00-23:00 or >23:00-46:00? Regards, Marko Marin I have no idea. ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ### This email has been checked for all known viruses by the ### Firstnet anti-virus system - http://www.firstnet.net.uk ### Please email fav@f... for details. From: 'Michael A Jean' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 1:12 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Mota Atma tracklist and other details http://www.echoes.org/stattime.html > -----Original Message----- > From: Adele Outland [mailto:outlanda60@h...] > Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 9:10 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Mota Atma tracklist and other details > > > I read this on that site: > > The release of Mota Atma is supported by an extensive feature on > the band on > 150 US radio stations and on 'Echoes' (a daily two-hour music soundscape, > distributed by Public Radio International and broadcast on over 150 radio > stations from Maine to California). > > Where/when/how? do I find out the schedule of broadcast? Anybody know and > can guide me? Thanks. 8-Dell > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > >From: 'ravnnet' > >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > >Subject: [tadream] Mota Atma tracklist and other details > > > >You can pre-order and see more info at > >http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/catalogue.php/Release/1072/ > > > >Regards, > >Peter > > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39933 Re: Mota Atma tracklist and other details Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sat 3/22/2003 2 KB 39964 Mota Atma tracklist and other details lee_nielinger lee_nielinger Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 1:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau >The track was an example of fractal music, which is never supposed to >repeat. I've listened to them both many times (It was played at my >wedding whilst the guests arrived). 'Fractal music'. Nice term, did you coin that yourself or is it JMJ's own description? It indeed has some strange properties... like, it sort of absorbs all sufficiently quiet outside noise into itself. 'You can not wade twice in the same river' or whatever the correct English version for that phrase is. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 2:09 pm Subject: Monica I was wondering here... plenty of TD photos are taken by Monica. But are there any photos of Mrs. Froese herself in existence? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Mondarino Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 2:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FAQ Hi all, Long time TD fan, but first post here. >Steve Jenkins was hosting one on his web site at www.lpool.demon.co.uk >However, it looks like the link is dead now. I and many others on the >old UWP list contributed to Steve's FAQ, which was an update from an >older text-only version. Steve posted a message to the redshift group on 01/13 telling his new address. However, I'm not a member there and email addresses are hidden to the outsiders: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/redshift/message/182 >If not, has anyone else archived it? I have it ... printed. :-( Regards. Edu From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 3:04 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #313 for March 20, 2003, the Vernal Equinox [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #313 March 20, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on Spacecraft, a spacemusic group originally inspired the the Voyager space probe. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Earthtime Tapestry' on the Lektronic Soundscapes label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Macula Transfer' by Edgar Froese on the Brain label. I played the music of vidnaObmana who will play at the next Soundscapes in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on April 19. I also played the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson who will be playing at the Gathering in Philadelphia on April 12. Tonight at 8 pm was the vernal equinox. (It's Spring!!) Spacecraft http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#mar The Soundscapes Concert Series http://soundscapes.us The Gatherings Concert Series http://thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Edgar Froese if 810 Macula Transfer (Brain) Jean Michel Jarre Equinoxe Part 5 Equinoxe (Dreyfus) Jean Michel Jarre Equinoxe Part 6 Equinoxe (Dreyfus) Jean Michel Jarre Equinoxe Part 7 Equinoxe (Dreyfus) Jean Michel Jarre Equinoxe Part 8 Equinoxe (Dreyfus) Dom F. Scab Message of Missing Birds Facta (Groove) Robert Carty Sounding Into Life Sonic (Space for Music) VA [Oleg Buloshkin] Sacrament Electroacoustic Music - Volume IV (Electroshock) vidnaObmana Traditional Spirit Twilight of Perception (Projekt) Vir Unis Continuous Prehistory 2 Perimeter (Zero Music and In James Johnson the Bubble Music) Jurgen Haible Knitters of Black Wool Holiday in Purgatory (none) Gert Emmens Gaspra Wanderer of Time (Groove) 12:00 am Spacecraft Earthtime Tapestry Earthtime Tapestry (Lektronic Soundscapes) Spacecraft Living World Earthtime Tapestry (L.S.) Spacecraft Dreams of One Earthtime Tapestry (L.S.) Spacecraft Elder's Mourning Earthtime Tapestry (L.S.) Spacecraft Migrations Earthtime Tapestry (L.S.) Spacecraft Cycles Earthtime Tapestry (L.S.) Spacecraft Beyond Earthtime Tapestry (L.S.) Spacecraft Stepping Lightly Earthtime Tapestry (L.S.) Spacecraft Seed Earthtime Tapestry (L.S.) Spacecraft Thread of Continuity Earthtime Tapestry (L.S.) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll conclude the month-long focus on Spacecraft. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Summer Town' on the Space for Music label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Mosaic,' an LP by Richard Burmer on Fortuna Records. I will also play the music of vidnaObmana, Vir Unis, and James Johnson who will be appearing at local concerts in April. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 3:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre >who was the teacher? > >just one cent more. Is it safe to claim that TD, Chris Franke mainly, was however the first to sequence anything? With a sequencer, that is. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: Harry Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 4:27 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 review time... on 3/20/03 9:35 PM, Jim Moore at (deleted).com wrote: (excerpt) > some us of would like to hear the > music as this band hasn't toured the US in nine years! And maybe someone > might be recording the show and no one want to preserve your damn yap for > posterity for the next fifteen years!' As one who's knowledgeable of matters of stealth taping, crowd yapping is the bane of audience recording. I blame television. Seriously. People get accustomed to talking while the 'performance' is ensuing. And don't even get me started about (movie) screen talkers. An example: I have a master of October 17, 1992; Chicago taped from approximately 2 meters from the front of the center of the stage. Using what could be considered a low cost but professional grade setup (cardioid mics) the sound quality from that close of range is excellent. Unfortunately the adult refreshments has loosened the tongues of far too many people. If these people could listen to the playback, they would be embarrassed to hear the banality of the subjects they chose to talk about. Especially in light of the fact that they paid good money and went to some effort to go to the show to do something that would be more comfortable and better serve the other audience members if they stayed at home. I don't get it. On the other side of the equation are those that are really enjoying the music. Perhaps too much so. I can understand and actually would welcome wild applause and shouts of appreciation after the songs have completed, but such after each musical PHRASE is a bit much. Hence what could have been a moment of TD history enjoyed by many over and over, is instead relegated to gather dust. Still, lesson learned I suppose: Forget about taping in a night club venue. At concert hall settings you stand half a chance. Sometimes. Dream On, Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39938 Re: TT3 review time... Jim Moore moxica93 Sun 3/23/2003 4 KB From: Paul Fellows Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 7:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Mota Atma tracklist and other details Hi all, I've added a page for Mota Atma which groups together all the known info about it so far: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/motaatma.html Cheers Paul From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 9:26 pm Subject: FAQ >>If not, has anyone else archived it? I still have the text and html versions, last update Feb 1st, 1999 cheers, klaus From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 9:36 pm Subject: Re: sequencers <> Sequencers date back at least to the late 60's. I believe Morton Subotnick used one on Silver Apples Of The Moon (or maybe it's the other piece that also appears on the Silver Apples CD). I'm sure there are other examples, but that's the only one I know of off hand. I always had the impression that the synthesizer part on The Who's Baba O'Riley was done with a sequencer as well, but I'm not positive about that one. And I suppose this is concurrent with Phaedra, but Keith Emerson used a sequencer at the end of ELP's Karn Evil 9 Third Impression. I remember Wendy Carlos once being asked what she used her sequencer for, and she said 'Nothing'. As I recall, she said she did some TV appearances back in the late 60's, and the CBS execs apparently thought the flashing lights would look impressive to TV viewers. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39936 Re: sequencers Greg expressionistix Sat 3/22/2003 3 KB 39939 Re: sequencers Jim Moore moxica93 Sun 3/23/2003 3 KB 39941 Re: sequencers quarlie@a... Quarlie Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB 39944 Re: sequencers Marcel Engels mars103nl Sun 3/23/2003 3 KB 39950 Re: sequencers Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Sun 3/23/2003 4 KB 39953 Re: sequencers Dave Brewer deibu1972 Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB 39962 Re: sequencers Chris Richards Kohntarkosz Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB 39963 Re: sequencers mrmorton@a... chromexus Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 9:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: sequencers > I remember Wendy Carlos once being asked what she > used her sequencer for, and she said 'Nothing'. > As I recall, she said she did some TV appearances > back in the late 60's, and the CBS execs > apparently thought the flashing lights would look > impressive to TV viewers. > > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris Amazing how today in America it is decidedly anti-synthesizer and anti-progressive. Seeing someone play a synthesizer on TV would get stamped dork over here. I find it amusing how they push back all keyboard players in a band into darkness. I also find the macho guitar playing mentality entirely silly and the mannerisms laughable. Give me sophistication and layers of complexity any day. Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39939 Re: sequencers Jim Moore moxica93 Sun 3/23/2003 3 KB From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:28 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' > 'Fractal music'. Nice term, did you coin that yourself or is it JMJ's own > description? It's JMJs description, but he did not invent it. Fractal music is simply based on a random generator, in this case for WFC being run by an Atari computer who randomly (within parameters defined by JMJ) selected MIDI data. The idea of fractals in art is not a new concept however. Glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39990 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Dan Downey djambient Tue 3/25/2003 3 KB 40003 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Matthew Stringer Tue 3/25/2003 3 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TT3 review time... I finally got a chance to hear Volume 21 today [21 concert recordings of great quality -- thanks again to everyone who made these Trees available!]. At the beginning I was really concerned the folks heard at the beginning of the show were going to continue through the whole program and that I was going to have to work harder on that time machine. Fortunately, they seemed to have gotten the net (or passed out), and it quickly turns out to be a great concert! At the Astoria gig, there were a few people around me who were beginning to be distractions including a couple who took the concert as an opportunity to make out. Not wanting to be a voyeur, I managed to work my way in front of them by the second set. I wasn't recording the show (hell, they managed to take my camera from me), so I wasn't concerned so much except that it was distracting from my own personal experience (which is why I get so grumpy when I hear people talking on recordings). Maybe TD should raise the price of their gigs so that the 'riff raff' will be less inclined to attend -- that would be unfair to the fans that couldn't quite afford it, though. - jim -----Original Message----- From: Harry [mailto:TaDream@c...] As one who's knowledgeable of matters of stealth taping, crowd yapping is the bane of audience recording. I blame television. Seriously. People get accustomed to talking while the 'performance' is ensuing. And don't even get me started about (movie) screen talkers. An example: I have a master of October 17, 1992; Chicago taped from approximately 2 meters from the front of the center of the stage. Using what could be considered a low cost but professional grade setup (cardioid mics) the sound quality from that close of range is excellent. From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Mar 22, 2003 11:41 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: sequencers Hear! Hear! I have a gentleman from Brazil working in my team. One day he picked up that I was listening to some mid-80's Tangerine Dream. His first comment was: 'I didn't think you Americans listened to good music!' We started comparing lists of favorite bands and found we had much in common. However, he told me that many of the named bands were *still* considered popular in his home country. I'll back up my country in most respects, but I had to agree with my friend that the state of popular music in the U.S. has become decreasingly disappointing to me since the mid-90's. Fortunately, the advance of technology has made it easier to acquire more of the music that I like. Still, it makes me sad that bands (mostly progressive, I'll give) like Kansas, Yes, Asia and others whose members could play circles around other groups musicians are playing small and obscure venues. - jim -----Original Message----- From: Greg [mailto:designx@c...] Amazing how today in America it is decidedly anti-synthesizer and anti-progressive. Seeing someone play a synthesizer on TV would get stamped dork over here. I find it amusing how they push back all keyboard players in a band into darkness. I also find the macho guitar playing mentality entirely silly and the mannerisms laughable. Give me sophistication and layers of complexity any day. From: 'Andrzej Osadców' Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:39 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Soundtrack Collection If I'm not too late, look there: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/dsc.html and dream on, Andy On Sat, 08 Mar 2003 20:32:05 +0100, Paul Fellows wrote > Just interested to know, where did the labels come from? Didn't do any > myself. Are they available on line anywhere? > Paul From: quarlie@a... Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 3:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: sequencers In a message dated 3/22/03 7:41:23 PM, moxica@a... writes: >Still, it makes me sad that bands (mostly progressive, I'll give) like >Kansas, Yes, Asia and others whose members could play circles around other >groups musicians are playing small and obscure venues. I can only speak for my own region, but the last few times they've come through northern Ohio, Yes has played at Blossom Music Center, a large outdoor venue that has also recently hosted Depeche Mode, Radiohead and many other major acts. Not to mention the Cleveland Orchestra. :) --Daniel NP: Iron Chef From: 'Admin' Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 5:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre Once again, Martin you speak the truth. While I like Jarre too, the posts just head into one of those alternative universe we all hear about. There are a great deal more folks who was poking at a resistors and capacitors in the hey day. TD is one of the forerunners, so is Jarre. Each has it special place with me. I like to mention Larry Fast, Yes and even a few others who manage a bit of the electronics. Just this isn't the venue for it. dale Dale Kay Administrator Kay-Net.com Bus 661.723.0266 admin@k... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak' To: Sent: Friday, March 21, 2003 1:37 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Tagerine Dream v Jarre > >and Schulze was who introduced synths to Edgar... Sorry, Gustavo, but that is complete bull... Schulze used to be a drummer, especially in his short time in TD. Edgar already played Mellotrons and experimented with electronic devices when Schulze had not laid his hands on an electronic device yet. And actually Schulze only started turning to electronics and synthesizer music after TD had acquired their modular Moog from a Rollings Stones related source. And believe me, I have seen solid evidence for what I am saying. I believe that you´re right in the rest of your comment that TD were not the first people to experiment with electronic musical devices, but I cannot let this stand. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 8:46 am Subject: Taken / Firestarter The series Taken has just finished on UK tv. Watching it I kept thinking of Firestarter back in 1984. Even the lead girl looked like Drew Barrymore. Shame Mr Spielnerg didn't ask TD to do the music for Taken. Did anyone else watch it? David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39945 Re: Taken / Firestarter Richard zoanne1uk Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB 39946 Re: Taken / Firestarter Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Sun 3/23/2003 3 KB 39947 Re: Taken / Firestarter Gary Jenkins hyperboreauk Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB 39951 Re: Taken / Firestarter Richard zoanne1uk Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB 40295 Re: Taken / Firestarter John McIntyre mcinty10 Fri 4/11/2003 2 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:08 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: sequencers > From: Chris Richards [mailto:kohntarkosz@y...] > > < mainly, was however the first to sequence > anything? With a sequencer, that is.>> > > Sequencers date back at least to the late 60's. I > believe Morton Subotnick used one on Silver > Apples Of The Moon (or maybe it's the other piece > that also appears on the Silver Apples CD). I'm > sure there are other examples, but that's the > only one I know of off hand. I always had the > impression that the synthesizer part on The Who's > Baba O'Riley was done with a sequencer as well, > but I'm not positive about that one. I believe Tomita used 2 sequencers before Phaedra came out. When oh when are there any multichannel recordings coming out from his old recordings??? Are there any plans from TD doing such a thing? Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... From: Richard Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Taken / Firestarter And talking of Firestarter, anyone seen/watched the Firestarter 2 that sneaked out on DVD WITHOUT a TD soundtrack? Any good, or is it like most sequels, a cheap and nasty copy of the original? >The series Taken has just finished on UK tv. Watching it I kept >thinking of Firestarter back in 1984. Even the lead girl looked like >Drew Barrymore. Shame Mr Spielnerg didn't ask TD to do the music for >Taken. Did anyone else watch it? -- Richard F Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39946 Re: Taken / Firestarter Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Sun 3/23/2003 3 KB 39947 Re: Taken / Firestarter Gary Jenkins hyperboreauk Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB 39951 Re: Taken / Firestarter Richard zoanne1uk Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 11:41 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Taken / Firestarter Firestarter 2 was shown on the SciFi channel. I believe they even produced it. It was pretty good even tho there was no TD. Taken however I felt was kind of a let down. I expected more and also with the SciFi channel running 4 minutes of commercials every 5-10 mins did not help either. THE HIGHLANDER At 09:37 AM 3/23/03 +0000, you wrote: >And talking of Firestarter, anyone seen/watched the Firestarter 2 that >sneaked out on DVD WITHOUT a TD soundtrack? > >Any good, or is it like most sequels, a cheap and nasty copy of the >original? > > >>The series Taken has just finished on UK tv. Watching it I kept >>thinking of Firestarter back in 1984. Even the lead girl looked like >>Drew Barrymore. Shame Mr Spielnerg didn't ask TD to do the music for >>Taken. Did anyone else watch it? >-- >Richard F From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 11:38 am Subject: Re: Taken / Firestarter --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Richard wrote: > And talking of Firestarter, anyone seen/watched the Firestarter 2 that > sneaked out on DVD WITHOUT a TD soundtrack? > > Any good, or is it like most sequels, a cheap and nasty copy of the > original? > > They have been showing it on sky recently in two parts as it is nearly 3 hours long and I sadly watched it.It is pretty much TV movie standard with Malcom Mcdowell playing the nasty man trying to find the grown up Charly it also features Dennis Hopper. I see the original Firestarter is available now on DVD Reg 2. Gary hyperborea.v21hosting.co.uk Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39951 Re: Taken / Firestarter Richard zoanne1uk Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 1:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Soundtrack Collection Paul Fellows wrote > > > Just interested to know, where did the labels come from? and Andrzej Osadców answered: > > If I'm not too late, look there: > http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/dsc.html I'm sure Paul Fellows has looked already many times at that particular page :-) Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39954 Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB From: David Dunham Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 2:20 pm Subject: OT Tomita I believe Tomita used 2 sequencers before Phaedra came out. When oh when are there any multichannel recordings coming out from his old recordings??? Are there any plans from TD doing such a thing? Marcel I have the the first (3) Tomita Cds'd and they are done in Dolby 5.1 Dave __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39956 Re: OT Tomita Marcel Engels mars103nl Sun 3/23/2003 2 KB 39971 Re: OT Tomita Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Mon 3/24/2003 3 KB 39974 Re: OT Tomita Marcel Engels mars103nl Mon 3/24/2003 4 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 3:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: sequencers I think Baba O'Riley was a organ chords fed into a VCS 3-sort of chopping it up into chunks Paulus.d! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chris Richards' To: Sent: Saturday, March 22, 2003 9:36 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: sequencers > < mainly, was however the first to sequence > anything? With a sequencer, that is.>> > > Sequencers date back at least to the late 60's. I > believe Morton Subotnick used one on Silver > Apples Of The Moon (or maybe it's the other piece > that also appears on the Silver Apples CD). I'm > sure there are other examples, but that's the > only one I know of off hand. I always had the > impression that the synthesizer part on The Who's > Baba O'Riley was done with a sequencer as well, > but I'm not positive about that one. > > And I suppose this is concurrent with Phaedra, > but Keith Emerson used a sequencer at the end of > ELP's Karn Evil 9 Third Impression. > > I remember Wendy Carlos once being asked what she > used her sequencer for, and she said 'Nothing'. > As I recall, she said she did some TV appearances > back in the late 60's, and the CBS execs > apparently thought the flashing lights would look > impressive to TV viewers. > > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: Richard Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 3:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Taken / Firestarter >I see the original Firestarter is available now on DVD Reg 2. Yes, Widescreen, Stereo soundtrack and cheap! -- Richard F From: Volkmar Friauf Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 4:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT KS - Dreams lyrics If anyone should be receiving the 'KS Circle' newsletter - the lyrics are listed in #30. (No, I don't have that issue, or I would have looked it up & given it here myself!) At 23:03 21.03.2003, Gustavo Jobim wrote: >Hello, > >does anyone have the lyrics for Klaustrophony, the last track from KS' Dreams? From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: sequencers According to the liner notes of the remastered Who's Next, Baba O'Riley and Won't Get Fooled Again were borne from ARP synth demos that Townshend recorded. I imagine it's the 2600 since he had one (according to Mark Vail's book). Regards, Dave B. -----Original Message----- From: Paul Dryden To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Sunday, March 23, 2003 8:04 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: sequencers >I think Baba O'Riley was a organ chords fed into a VCS 3-sort of chopping it >up into chunks > >Paulus.d! From: Paul Fellows Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Soundtrack Collection You could say that :-) on 23/03/03 14:23, Antonio Nunes at hyperborean@m... wrote: > Paul Fellows wrote >> >>> Just interested to know, where did the labels come from? > > and Andrzej Osadców answered: >> >> If I'm not too late, look there: >> http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/dsc.html > > > I'm sure Paul Fellows has looked already many times at that particular > page :-) > > Antonio Nunes From: 'Marcelo Gutierrez' Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Soundtrack Collection If it is not already too late, how can I get a copy of this fine looking collection? I know at some point there was a tree going but I do not know if the tree is still active or if anyone out there has a copy and is interested in trading please let me know privately. Thanks Marcelo ----- Original Message ----- From: Paul Fellows To: Sent: Sunday, March 23, 2003 1:08 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Soundtrack Collection You could say that :-) on 23/03/03 14:23, Antonio Nunes at hyperborean@m... wrote: > Paul Fellows wrote >> >>> Just interested to know, where did the labels come from? > > and Andrzej Osadców answered: >> >> If I'm not too late, look there: >> http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/dsc.html > > > I'm sure Paul Fellows has looked already many times at that particular > page :-) > > Antonio Nunes ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40027 Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection Rolf Elfström rcade666 Wed 3/26/2003 2 KB 40317 SV: [tadream] Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection Micke Stark Runsten micke_stark Sun 4/13/2003 3 KB From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 6:30 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT Tomita > From: David Dunham [mailto:tandreamelp@y...] > > I have the the first (3) Tomita Cds'd and they are > done in Dolby 5.1 Yeah??? I thought they were Dolby Surround, but if they are 5.1 then I will definitely check them out. I hope to see more electronic music releases with this format. I know it's a lot of work, as I'm exploring it also. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39971 Re: OT Tomita Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Mon 3/24/2003 3 KB 39974 Re: OT Tomita Marcel Engels mars103nl Mon 3/24/2003 4 KB From: 'gyedid01' Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 8:32 pm Subject: can't find any info about _Mota Atma_ on Echoes site Hi all, I took a look at the Echoes web site, and I can't find any information there about _Mota Atma_. Where did the people who posted about this find it? cheers, Gabe From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 9:39 pm Subject: TT3 review time > Still, lesson learned I suppose: Forget about taping in a night club venue. > At concert hall settings you stand half a chance. Sometimes. Harry, hey,I thought you'd never post here ;-) 100% agreement, just one comment - sometimes I just wished I knew what kind of venue to expect before I fly trans-atlantic - they served drinks and food during the concert at the SF Warfield in '92. Had I only known before ;-)cheers, klaus From: Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:21 pm Subject: Digital Soundtrack Collection CD Labels I had posted this before: I took the front cover artwork and opened each of them in Adobe Photoshop 7. Then I took the erase feature and erased the title and words across the center of the front cover, leaving the volume number along the side. Then save each cover individually. Now you have the front cover and only the volume number. Now, import these saved covers into whichever CD label template you are printing from. Now you have CD labels that look just like the cover artwork, no words, but just the volume number. Voila, numbered CD labels. Hope this help. Neal ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 03:39:40 +0200 From: 'Andrzej Osadców' Subject: Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection If I'm not too late, look there: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/dsc.html and dream on, Andy On Sat, 08 Mar 2003 20:32:05 +0100, Paul Fellows wrote > Just interested to know, where did the labels come from? Didn't do any > myself. Are they available on line anywhere? > Paul [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:47 pm Subject: The Keep LP - Not I walked into a used record store today in New Jersey and I asked the owner if he had any Tangerine Dream. He said that he tought that he may have 'The Keep' LP. For a second I turned pale and my heart stopped, then he said - 'I wish they had released this soundtrack - It's a great movie'. Anyway, this guy really caught me off guard since I didn't say anythting earlier to him about TD. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39966 The Keep TDI for sale & exchange Paul Fellows paulfellowstd Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 5:27 am Subject: Re: Anti-synthesizer?!?!?!?! <> I didn't realize America was 'anti-synthesizer', considering how popular techno music is here. If there is an 'anti-synth' or 'anti-technology' movement, it probably has more to do with untalented people being able to make records thanks to the advances of the last 25 years. This goes back to the early 80's, when a lot of pop and new wave records were being spewed out by people who couldn't play anything but block chords (though you'd never know it, thanks to the built in arpeggiators that were popular during that era). Nowadays, not only can you make an incompetent keyboardist sound good, you can also make a lousy drummer sound like Neil Peart simply by cutting and pasting his drum parts inside a computer. You can also make a tone deaf singer sound like he/she at least can sing on key. Your band just barely cuts it as a garage band? No problem! With the help of Pro Tools, you'll sound tighter than James Brown's back up band. It is a shame that MTV, VH-1, and US radio have gone the way they have, though, forcing all the good stuff underground. Oh well. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39996 Re: Anti-synthesizer?!?!?!?! Mat Mckenzie loart24 Tue 3/25/2003 7 KB 40001 Re: Anti-synthesizer?!?!?!?! Owens, James yxalag2 Tue 3/25/2003 4 KB From: Chris Richards Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 5:39 am Subject: Re: sequencers <> That's Won't Get Fooled Again you're thinking of, where Townshend played chords on a Thomas organ (I think it was a Thomas Organ). The organ had an effect (I think it was called 'mandolin repeat' or something like that), which is what causing teh 'chopping it up into chunks' effect. He then fed the signal from the organ into a VCS3 for the swirling filter effect. There's no way Townshend did Baba O'Riley in the same manner. It may have been another production trick, but it sounds like two sequencers controlling two sets of VCO's (or maybe one part was overdubbed). ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From: mrmorton@a... Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 10:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: sequencers I'm not vouching for the accuracy of the statement but I recall an interview with Townsend where he said he had an arp 2500 at the time (the big arp modular model) and that Terry Riley, the composer, helped him with the sequence--hence the title. Won't Get Fooled Again, OTOH, was supposed to be as one poster described, an organ with a VCS. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'lee_nielinger' Date: Sun Mar 23, 2003 7:57 pm Subject: Mota Atma tracklist and other details Has anyone noticed that the Voice Print site track listing for MOTA ATMA does NOT include GATE OF SATURN?? Is it on there or what Martin K?? From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 7:51 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Mota Atma tracklist and other details >Has anyone noticed that the Voice Print site track listing for MOTA >ATMA does NOT include GATE OF SATURN?? > >Is it on there or what Martin K?? For some reason, Voices in the Net suggests that Gate of Saturn is from some another upcoming album... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39980 Re: Mota Atma tracklist and other details michael_berling michael_berling Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB From: Paul Fellows Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:50 am Subject: [tadream] The Keep TDI for sale & exchange Hi all, I'm selling a sealed copy of the Keep 1999 TDI version on e-bay at the moment, no reserve, it's only at 50 dollars at the moment: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2518096826 I also have a second copy available for exchange, as well as one copy of the Sony Centre score, have a look at my swaplist: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/swaplist.html Cheers Paul From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mortiis (OT) At 21:22 21.03.03, you wrote: >Actually, I think he looks like Blix. The Legend one, not the bomb sniffer >in Iraq. 8-Dell *Now that you mention it... I agree... :-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Rolf Elfström Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 11:02 am Subject: Re: Mortiis (OT) > >Actually, I think he looks like Blix. The Legend one, not the bomb sniffer > >in Iraq. 8-Dell > >*Now that you mention it... I agree... :-) > >Best regards, >Martin Kasprzak Actually, Blix (in Legend) was based on Keith Richard (Rolling Stones)... =) Rolf From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 1:46 pm Subject: irvine/ ot concert chatter and bleep d.mode bleep From: 'Jim Moore' Subject: RE: TT3 review time... >I mean, did they actually pay money to attend that concert? Yes, I did and it wasn't that cheap--4th row orchestra blah blah. My buddy was sitting next to Monique in the 3rd row in front of me. >Was this actually a dinner/concert venue? >Was there like a lot of loud construction going on in their communities >that they had to escape to a concert venue to have a conversation? Well it was Edgar's 42nd birthday--can't really say that about any of the other shows on the tour and certainly cause for much partying in my book--and remember it was LA in 1986 (OK orange county the same but different)--lots of nervous chatter from whatever drugs were around at the time. >And why didn't the person making the recording take a cricket bat to their heads during the beginning of the concert? Because taping etiquette generally means you don't shush people cause you are illegally taping--you don't interfere with their chatter or whatever cause you wanna bootleg for some reason or another. Particularly if you want to not expose yourself as a taper and if you'd like to actually see the whole show. Now, if you placed your mikes in your hat or at audience height or aren't using shotguns or someother isolating mikes or whatever well you just gotta expect audience noise--especially in LA-LA-LAnd where they've already seen everything before, they're jaded and nothing impresses them. I mean jeez there was a show at Universal Amphitheatre the night before, so the audience could easily have seen more than one show. Hell, I had a ticket to the Warfield show in SF before that--but I was interviewing in Southern California and had to forgo the San Francisco show. Personally, I liked the outdoor show better anyway--the giant flames were particularly impressive--whereas some of the theatrical effects worked better at the indoor Universal show--IIRC, where they had the effect that shoots light and sputters dry ice into the audience. And I'm not sure--don't have a full tape of Universal, but I swear TD played one more piece or maybe they played a different track at that show than they did Irvine...... ___________________________ From: 'gyedid01' Subject: Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE >well, if you want to split hairs, _Speak and Spell_ isn't really a Depeche Mode album yes it is, it says depeche mode on the cover and was most certainly the only Depeche Mode album that you could buy when it came out--I know, I did. >it's a Vince Clarke album with DM as the backing band. I'm pretty sure that Clarke wrote and arranged all the songs on _S&S_. um, well I know that's not true--what is true is that Vince left the band--which left DM scrambling somewhat as they were used to four guys each with their own mixer feeding into a four track ubermixer for recording. And it wasn't clear at the time whether they'd actually be able to write as catchy pop songs as when Vince was in the band. Their sophomore release proved that they would be able to continue without VC. >to try and get this thread on topic, wouldn't it be cool if TD could do some DM covers as encores for their shows? I was at the infamous 101 rosebowl DM show and before DM came onstage a TD track from EXIT was played. So, while perhaps now threadbare--a DM discussion isn't exactly that far off-topic since DM are TD fans....... --T np MUSHROOM--Mad Dogs & San Franciscans _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39973 Re: irvine/ ot concert chatter and bleep d.mode bleep billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 3/24/2003 3 KB From: David Dunham Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 2:33 pm Subject: TD on Echoes I got this reply about TD on Echos At 10:55 PM 3/21/2003 -0500, you wrote: Hi. I read somewere you were going to feature Tangerine Dream music soon. Could you tell me when this will happen. I listen to WXPN in Philly. Thanks David Dunham from Echos Tangerine Dream was on our on-line streaming for January, rather than on the air.Here's the link: http://www.echoes.org/online.html Gail Glass Assistant Producer www.echoes.org P.S. You are right Marcel. It is Dolby Surround sound __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From: Wade Gordon Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:14 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT Tomita They sound pretty good but the Japanese releases are a whole lot better. --- Marcel Engels wrote: > > From: David Dunham [mailto:tandreamelp@y...] > > > > I have the the first (3) Tomita Cds'd and they > are > > done in Dolby 5.1 > > Yeah??? > I thought they were Dolby Surround, but if they are > 5.1 then I will definitely check them out. > I hope to see more electronic music releases with > this format. I know it's a lot of work, as I'm > exploring > it also. > > Marcel > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > mengels@w... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39974 Re: OT Tomita Marcel Engels mars103nl Mon 3/24/2003 4 KB From: Darren Fricker Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:17 pm Subject: Paging Simon Slater Firstly, apologies for waste of bandwidth. I'm trying to contact Simon Slater, simon@s... He's my SHN branch for the TT3 tree - I've emailed him but not received a reply. Simon - can you contact me offlist so we can sort something out. Alternatively, if anyone in the UK [postage...] has this as an original SHN set I'd be interested in a trade. Cheers. Darren. From: 'billythefish01' Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 4:31 pm Subject: Re: irvine/ ot concert chatter and bleep d.mode bleep Best place to record a show is the centre of the balcony (if there is one) - you get the best of the stereo image and the ambience of the hall, plus you are usually in a more mellow location (not that there are often mosh pits at TD concerts!). Also, there are rarely problems telling your neighbours that you are recording - they are usually impressed and can always be sent a copy as a bribe. If there is a problem it is easy just to move away a couple of rows and try again. TTFN, BTF np - Dell cooling fan --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'tei waz' wrote: > From: 'Jim Moore' > Subject: RE: TT3 review time... > > >And why didn't the person making the recording take a cricket bat to > their heads during the beginning of the concert? > > Because taping etiquette generally means you don't shush people cause you > are illegally taping--you don't interfere with their chatter or whatever > cause you wanna bootleg for some reason or another. Particularly if you > want to not expose yourself as a taper and if you'd like to actually see the > whole show. Now, if you placed your mikes in your hat or at audience height > or aren't using shotguns or someother isolating mikes or whatever well you > just gotta expect audience noise--especially in LA-LA-LAnd where they've > already seen everything before, they're jaded and nothing impresses them. I > mean jeez there was a show at Universal Amphitheatre the night before, so > the audience could easily have seen more than one show. Hell, I had a > ticket to the Warfield show in SF before that--but I was interviewing in > Southern California and had to forgo the San Francisco show. From: 'Marcel Engels' Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT Tomita I don't believe they are in 5.1, but only in Dolby Surround. Now there is some good news, The Planets is about to be released in 5.1! http://www.isaotomita.net/tomita/news.html Now, if only TD would do such a thing with the classic albums...that would be great. Only great if they really use the original material. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... > -----Original Message----- > From: Wade Gordon [mailto:mindvoyager1@y...] > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 5:14 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] OT Tomita > > > They sound pretty good but the Japanese releases are a > whole lot better. > --- Marcel Engels wrote: > > > From: David Dunham [mailto:tandreamelp@y...] > > > > > > I have the the first (3) Tomita Cds'd and they > > are > > > done in Dolby 5.1 > > > > Yeah??? > > I thought they were Dolby Surround, but if they are > > 5.1 then I will definitely check them out. > > I hope to see more electronic music releases with > > this format. I know it's a lot of work, as I'm > > exploring > > it also. > > > > Marcel > > http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels > > mengels@w... > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: > > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree > info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your > desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: moxica@a... Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 6:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Mortiis (OT) I heard the *UN* inspector Hans Blix was based on the lovable Mr. Magoo cartoon... -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... > > > >Actually, I think he looks like Blix. The Legend one, not the bomb sniffer > > >in Iraq. 8-Dell > > > Actually, Blix (in Legend) was based on Keith Richard > (Rolling Stones)... =) From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:09 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] FAQ I just sent Steve a message. If he has a more recent copy than Klaus has archived on his site (1999), then I'll see if I can get him to host it again, or at least get a copy... Klaus: I noticed a few items in the FAQ at your site that I thought had been updated at some point, so I suspect that there's a more recent version floating about somwhere in the inter-ether 8=} If not, we'll have to have an update party... James From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:29 pm Subject: OT: Syngery Speaking of Larry Fast, has Synergy done anything new recently? Most recent album I know of is 'Metropolitan Suite' which is quite nice. I also have: Audion (Electronic Compositions for the Post-Modern Age) Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra Computer Experiments, volume 1 Games Sequencer Cords Semiconductor (2 LP collection) 'The Jupiter Menace' soundtrack James > -----Original Message----- > I like to mention Larry Fast, Yes and even a > few others who > manage a bit of the electronics. Just this isn't the venue for it. > > dale Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39983 Re: OT: Syngery Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB 39992 Re: OT: Syngery Dan Downey djambient Tue 3/25/2003 3 KB 40012 Re: OT: Syngery Mat Mckenzie loart24 Wed 3/26/2003 3 KB From: ampmusic Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:39 pm Subject: Re; Sequencers > Message: 12 > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:44:19 EST > From: mrmorton@a... > Subject: Re: Re: sequencers > > I'm not vouching for the accuracy of the statement but I recall an > interview > with Townsend where he said he had an arp 2500 at the time (the big > arp > modular model) and that Terry Riley, the composer, helped him with the > > sequence--hence the title. > Won't Get Fooled Again, OTOH, was supposed to be as one poster > described, an > organ with a VCS. > > There's a widely available DVD about the making of 'Who's Next' showing 'Won't Get Fooled Again' done with a Hammond organ sound chopped up by the filter and envelope of an EMS vcs3 synth, whereas 'Baba O'Reilly' was done with an ARP 2500 synth played by an ARP sequencer. Terry Riley had no involvement with the piece, but it was very much inspired by his composition 'A Rainbow In Curved Air' dating from around 1968. Ironically this didn't use any sequencers, but multitracked (and often speeded up) hand-played electric organs and other electric keyboards. As a result of its complexity, Riley never performed it live. The world premiere performance is in London on June 28th this year in a vastly extended two-hour version featuring church organ, 1960's and contemporary MIDI keyboards. Some information, along with details of other shows featuring White Noise, Geoff Downes (Yes/Asia/Buggles), Harald Grosskopf (Ash Ra Tempel) and others is at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampconcerts.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39986 Re: Re; Sequencers Dave Brewer deibu1972 Tue 3/25/2003 2 KB 39988 Re; Sequencers Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Tue 3/25/2003 3 KB 39999 Re: Re; Sequencers omegatransfinito omegatransfinito Tue 3/25/2003 2 KB 40005 Re: Re; Sequencers Colin Jouxson convention24 Tue 3/25/2003 3 KB 39989 Re: Re; Sequencers Greg expressionistix Tue 3/25/2003 3 KB 39994 Re: Re; Sequencers Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Tue 3/25/2003 4 KB 40015 Re; Sequencers Bill Fox ultramusicman Wed 3/26/2003 3 KB 40025 Re: Re; Sequencers Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Wed 3/26/2003 3 KB 40016 Re: Re; Sequencers Armin Theissen armin_theissen Wed 3/26/2003 3 KB From: Liondream@a... Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 8:46 pm Subject: Re: baba o'reilly I was always under the impression that it was the 2600 and I believe the sound took advantage of the s/h circuit to control the vco or something along those lines. This impression comes from having done something similar in em class eons ago. w << Subject: Re: Re: sequencers According to the liner notes of the remastered Who's Next, Baba O'Riley and Won't Get Fooled Again were borne from ARP synth demos that Townshend recorded. I imagine it's the 2600 since he had one (according to Mark Vail's book). Regards, Dave B.>>> From: 'michael_berling' Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:08 pm Subject: Re: Mota Atma tracklist and other details --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical' wrote: > >Has anyone noticed that the Voice Print site track listing for MOTA > >ATMA does NOT include GATE OF SATURN?? > > > >Is it on there or what Martin K?? > > > For some reason, Voices in the Net suggests that Gate of Saturn is from some > another upcoming album... > > John Vertical > And the reason is... a silly typo! Sorry folks, I have no other info than that Gate of Saturn is taken from the forthcoming Mota Atma. Regards Michael From: David Butler Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:14 pm Subject: OT-Neil Peart Chris Richards writes: 'Nowadays, not only can you make an incompetent keyboardist sound good, you can also make a lousy drummer sound like Neil Peart simply by cutting and pasting his drum parts inside a computer'. Comments like these are fodder for a flame war. Are you a drummer? Have you ever seen Rush live? Did you know that he is also the chief lyricist. I defend your right to your own opinion, but to say that Neil Peart is a lousy drummer...aww shit...I just reread your post...sorry, my bad....David __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39982 Re: OT-Neil Peart Owens, James yxalag2 Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:24 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT-Neil Peart 'sokay Dave. I mis-read it the same way the first time round too. I was about to question Chris' sanity as well... However, I really doubt that a simple cut-n-paster could really ever sound quite as creative as Neil. You'd have to do some really creative cut-n-pasting, which is a different sort of talent, but talent nonetheless. > -----Original Message----- > I just reread your > post...sorry, my bad....David From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Syngery >I also have: >Audion (Electronic Compositions for the Post-Modern Age) >Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra(...) >James Ah.. I have only Audion, unfortunately; Synergy is hard to find here, specially for the last 12 months, with dollar going insanely up and up. but it's great music indeed. a great 'bladerunner-like' mood. ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: 'Whiteley, Steve' Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 9:47 pm Subject: RE:TT3 Hey Dreamers, I live in the USA and would like to get a copy of the TT3 SHN CD's. For some reason my attempt to be a permanent member from TT1/TT2 and to rejoin (by request and DB editing) the tree have failed. I have seen email that seem to indicate others are having the same problem. Is there a problem with the master DB, are our entries being overwritten? Thanks, Steve Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39985 Re: TT3 Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Mon 3/24/2003 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Mon Mar 24, 2003 10:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] RE:TT3 we'll mop up the dbs; in the meantime, I'll contact you offlist. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Whiteley, Steve [mailto:steve.whiteley@s...] > Sent: Monday, March 24, 2003 4:47 PM > To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' > Subject: [tadream] RE:TT3 > > > Hey Dreamers, > > I live in the USA and would like to get a copy of the TT3 SHN > CD's. For some > reason my attempt to be a permanent member from TT1/TT2 and to rejoin (by > request and DB editing) the tree have failed. I have seen email > that seem to > indicate others are having the same problem. > > Is there a problem with the master DB, are our entries being overwritten? > > Thanks, > Steve > > From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re; Sequencers >There's a widely available DVD about the making of 'Who's Next' showing >'Won't Get Fooled Again' done with a Hammond organ sound chopped up by >the filter and envelope of an EMS vcs3 synth, whereas 'Baba O'Reilly' >was done with an ARP 2500 synth played by an ARP sequencer. > Okay, so that's how it was done! Now for a little on-topic question. Is it just me, or did TD use a sound similar to the one on Won't Get Fooled Again in Tangram Part 1 (about 3 1/2 minutes from the end)? When those choppy chords come in, it makes me think of The Who. :-) Dave From: 'kayleighsdaddy' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 3:15 am Subject: A question about the Archive downloads Hey all, just a quick question for anyone that can help out. I have volumes 1-16, but have been told there are various FTP sites, direct connect hubs, etc, that are available for TD downloads? If anyone could help me out, I'd greatly appreciate it. IF they are private entrance only, I'd be glad to share/trade goodies in exchange for access. Thanks. Please mail me off the list. dan The Rugrats Romper Room!!! http://www.iloverugrats.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad) / Yahoo (kayleighsdaddy) MSN Messenger (kayleighsdad@h...) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLuRP_Trading [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40031 Re: A question about the Archive downloads dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Thu 3/27/2003 2 KB 40033 Re: A question about the Archive downloads dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Thu 3/27/2003 2 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 7:54 am Subject: Re; Sequencers --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, ampmusic wrote: > > Message: 12 > > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:44:19 EST > > From: mrmorton@a... > > Subject: Re: Re: sequencers > > > > I'm not vouching for the accuracy of the statement but I recall an > > interview > > with Townsend where he said he had an arp 2500 at the time (the big > > arp > > modular model) and that Terry Riley, the composer, helped him with the > > > > sequence--hence the title. > > Won't Get Fooled Again, OTOH, was supposed to be as one poster > > described, an > > organ with a VCS. And don't forgot that TD blantantly copied this sound for the end of 'Tangram Part One'. It fits really well, though. > There's a widely available DVD about the making of 'Who's Next' showing > 'Won't Get Fooled Again' done with a Hammond organ sound chopped up by > the filter and envelope of an EMS vcs3 synth, whereas 'Baba O'Reilly' > was done with an ARP 2500 synth played by an ARP sequencer. I've never understood why so many people place such importance on claiming that 'we were the first to use a sequencer on record'. After all, the *idea* of sequences existed long before sequencers. Whether the sequence is played by hand or by machine is a trivial detail, surely. Glynn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39999 Re: Re; Sequencers omegatransfinito omegatransfinito Tue 3/25/2003 2 KB 40005 Re: Re; Sequencers Colin Jouxson convention24 Tue 3/25/2003 3 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 9:49 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re; Sequencers The first one to use the sequencer? Obviously the inventor of the sequencer (I wonder who is credited for that..) ! I find it silly to wonder who is the first to use any particular instrument in electronic music. The real genius is in the designing of the instruments and the conception of certain features that musicians would find useful. Tangerine Dream was one of the first groups to exploit the possibilities of electronic instruments. They created a highly progressive and uplifting experience that as far as we know, no human has ever experienced before. I think it is interesting to note that the Tangerine Tree serves an extremely important purpose of documenting part of the infancy of electronic based music.. and something that possibly hundreds of years from now will be studied and explored with as much excitement as we have for it now. Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39994 Re: Re; Sequencers Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Tue 3/25/2003 4 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau Thought I'd throw in a few cents on this. I thought Fractal wasn't random but based on chaos theory and actually demonstrates there is order and pattern in chaos. As for random music generators I used one in the early 80s on an Amiga with software called Cantus written by Philip Glass cohort Michael Reisman. It allowed you to set some parameters and off it would go. I used it extensively with great results on a friends film project. In any case I wouldn't consider any music produced to really be considered random. Some parameters are usually involved not to mention the root source of the sounds themselves. Splitting hairs I suppose, it wouldn't sound as good if you called it 'probability music with random generated events' or some other defining mouthfull - DD --- 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'John Vertical' > > > 'Fractal music'. Nice term, did you coin that > yourself or is it JMJ's own > > description? > > It's JMJs description, but he did not invent it. > Fractal music is simply > based on a random generator, in this case for WFC > being run by an Atari > computer who randomly (within parameters defined by > JMJ) selected MIDI data. > The idea of fractals in art is not a new concept > however. > > Glenn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Dan Downey' > Thought I'd throw in a few cents on this. I thought > Fractal wasn't random but based on chaos theory and > actually demonstrates there is order and pattern in > chaos. You could say that, but the idea of using fractal software to make music or other arts is to use a little bit of the randomness within the chaos theory. People perceive it as more or less random, and that is the point. > In any case I wouldn't consider any music produced to > really be considered random. Some parameters are > usually involved not to mention the root source of the > sounds themselves. Splitting hairs I suppose, it > wouldn't sound as good if you called it 'probability > music with random generated events' or some other > defining mouthfull Good point :-) glenn Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39993 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Dan Downey djambient Tue 3/25/2003 4 KB 39997 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Mondarino Tue 3/25/2003 3 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 1:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Syngery Not that I've seen. I saw him a little while back playing with Tony Levin at the House of Blues and he was selling that exact list of CDs, nothing new. I really love the Cords disc and Computer Experiments (anyone looking for a numbered version of the vinyl release? You can actually read the source code of the software on the back of the album sleeve) -DD --- 'Owens, James' wrote: > Speaking of Larry Fast, has Synergy done anything > new recently? > Most recent album I know of is 'Metropolitan Suite' > which is quite nice. > > I also have: > Audion (Electronic Compositions for the Post-Modern > Age) > Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra > Computer Experiments, volume 1 > Games > Sequencer > Cords > Semiconductor (2 LP collection) > 'The Jupiter Menace' soundtrack > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > I like to mention Larry Fast, Yes and even a > > few others who > > manage a bit of the electronics. Just this isn't > the venue for it. > > > > dale > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From: Dan Downey Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau --- 'Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media)' wrote: > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Dan Downey' > > > > Thought I'd throw in a few cents on this. I > thought > > Fractal wasn't random but based on chaos theory > and > > actually demonstrates there is order and pattern > in > > chaos. > > You could say that, but the idea of using fractal > software to make music or > other arts is to use a little bit of the randomness > within the chaos theory. > People perceive it as more or less random, and that > is the point. I've played quite a bit with fractal art programs and generative music programs. There are a few programs out there that will take an image and, based on parameter settings, compose music based on the image. It might be a fun project to feed in some TD cover art with sampled TD sounds and see what a few million micro-chimps could generate. > > > In any case I wouldn't consider any music produced > to > > really be considered random. Some parameters are > > usually involved not to mention the root source of > the > > sounds themselves. Splitting hairs I suppose, it > > wouldn't sound as good if you called it > 'probability > > music with random generated events' or some other > > defining mouthfull > > Good point :-) Actually Generative music is a pretty good catch all for this. I'm pretty sure that's what Koan descibes itself as rather than random. > > glenn > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 39997 Re: OT: Waiting For Cousteau Mondarino Tue 3/25/2003 3 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re; Sequencers Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a player piano be the first digital musical instrument? Mellotron sounds come from tape loops, right? But when you slow down the tape, the pitch changes - analog. Slow down a player piano paper loop and the pitch doesn't change; it's really like reading an old computer punch card - digital. I don't know how much player piano music is sequenced, though. Les Paul experimented with these paper digital loops in the 1920s; it was his inspiration for inventing multitrack tape recording. No one had yet gone back and added notes to a player piano loop; he did and then some. I guess this would be the first instance of multitrack digital recording. He also used what I guess is sequencing on his guitar with the digital delay (which he also invented, I think). I remember seeing some old footage of him demonstrating this - he played a few little guitar licks that repeated until he changed them, and played a melody on top of it. He accompanied himself on guitar. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Greg [mailto:designx@c...] > Sent: Tuesday, March 25, 2003 4:50 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re; Sequencers > > > The first one to use the sequencer? Obviously the inventor of the > sequencer > (I wonder who is credited for that..) ! I find it silly to wonder > who is the > first to use any particular instrument in electronic music. The > real genius > is in the designing of the instruments and the conception of certain > features that musicians would find useful. Tangerine Dream was one of the > first groups to exploit the possibilities of electronic instruments. They > created a highly progressive and uplifting experience that as far as we > know, no human has ever experienced before. > > I think it is interesting to note that the Tangerine Tree serves an > extremely important purpose of documenting part of the infancy of > electronic > based music.. and something that possibly hundreds of years from > now will be > studied and explored with as much excitement as we have for it now. > > Greg H. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 4:24 pm Subject: First Digital (was: Sequencers) Actually before the player piano came the music box. And before that, the windchimes! (how's that for 'random music'!) James > -----Original Message----- > From: Joe Shoults [mailto:joe@t...] > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a player piano be the > first digital > musical instrument? From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 10:39 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Anti-synthesizer?!?!?!?! Can't resist this thread !!.............. Living in the UK I must admit that a lot of people's view of the taste of your average US music listener is rock rock & more rock & some country..... this could be unfair I don't know, but it is many people's view just look at the contents of the US chart most of the time. 'My' personal view of the average UK music listener nowadays seems to be - manufactured conveyor belt - synchronized dancing talentless boy & girl bands, garage & hip hop but hey that could be wrong too - our charts are dire these days - or is it just I'm getting old! Needless to say that 'there is' superb creative melodic music worldwide you just have to sift through the rubbish to find it - everyones tastes are different and as long as you personally like it who cares. On the point of 'press button' instant music etc I have to disagree!! and I am surprised at your view assuming you are a TD / EM fan. I have been making electronic music with assorted (mainly 2nd hand) gear for a good 10 years now and have enjoyed every minute of it. I'm not musically trained, play it all by ear & have had to work out how to use all the gear & software myself using the awful manuals that come with them! So far I only inflict the results on family & friends but It's something I do because I enjoy it not really to become rich & famous. Although 'there are' instant music packages out there (E-Jay etc) they don't get you very far if you actually want to be creative. The sad thing is that the record buying public seem to lap up the results as it always conforms to the current trends. I think what you really have a problem with is that talentless people get music written for them to sing along too & become rich out of it - I couldnt agree more. However, try using a 'serious' music package (Cubase & the like) combined with analog, digital gear - midi, vst instruments etc etc and you'll soon find it is a long way off from being instant. It has taken me years to move from the old recording techniques of 4 track portastudio etc to now recording direct to PC Mat -----Original Message----- From: Chris Richards [mailto:kohntarkosz@y...] Sent: 24 March 2003 05:28 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Anti-synthesizer?!?!?!?! <> I didn't realize America was 'anti-synthesizer', considering how popular techno music is here. If there is an 'anti-synth' or 'anti-technology' movement, it probably has more to do with untalented people being able to make records thanks to the advances of the last 25 years. This goes back to the early 80's, when a lot of pop and new wave records were being spewed out by people who couldn't play anything but block chords (though you'd never know it, thanks to the built in arpeggiators that were popular during that era). Nowadays, not only can you make an incompetent keyboardist sound good, you can also make a lousy drummer sound like Neil Peart simply by cutting and pasting his drum parts inside a computer. You can also make a tone deaf singer sound like he/she at least can sing on key. Your band just barely cuts it as a garage band? No problem! With the help of Pro Tools, you'll sound tighter than James Brown's back up band. It is a shame that MTV, VH-1, and US radio have gone the way they have, though, forcing all the good stuff underground. Oh well. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Mondarino Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 2:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau >I've played quite a bit with fractal art programs and >generative music programs. There are a few programs >out there that will take an image and, based on >parameter settings, compose music based on the image. >It might be a fun project to feed in some TD cover art >with sampled TD sounds and see what a few million >micro-chimps could generate. Should you throw, say, ToB original cover, Soundmill Navigator, or 220 Volt new cover, you would end with 'fractal^2 music', since the graphics already are fractals. Regards. Edu From: 'musonaut' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 4:08 pm Subject: Epsilon in Malaysian Pale - CD ... Hi, I have for sale these two items from Tangerine Dream. Tangerine Dream 'The Collection' The Collectors Series Side 1: Genesis 6:00 Circulation of Events 5.49 Fauni-Gena 10:43 Side 2: Alpha Centaury 22:00 Side 3: Fly an Collisian of comas sola 13:05 Journay throgh a burning brain 13:25 Side 4: 'Zeit first movement' Birth of liquid Plejades 20:00 White Clouds (recorded 1973 - remix 1984 Label: Castle Communications 2LP Edgar Froese 'Epsilon in Malaysian Pale' CD Virgin cdv2040 People interested contact me by email: dsm4music@h... greetings musonaut From: 'omegatransfinito' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 7:51 pm Subject: Re: Re; Sequencers > > > Won't Get Fooled Again, OTOH, was supposed to be as one poster > > > described, an > > > organ with a VCS. > > And don't forgot that TD blantantly copied this sound for the end > of 'Tangram Part One'. It fits really well, though. Does anyone else think that the end of Coldwater Canyon is similar, slower though? John Vertical From: Liondream@a... Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 8:42 pm Subject: Re: synergy Latest I heard, I think Synergy released an album that was like Semiconductor (the double retrospective album) only with newly re-recorded tracks. He's also slowly converting his studio to softsynths. ...and was touring with Tony Levine's band as well as with a Nektar reunion tour (about a year ago). << Subject: OT: Syngery Speaking of Larry Fast, has Synergy done anything new recently? Most recent album I know of is 'Metropolitan Suite' which is quite nice.>>> Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40009 Re: synergy craigashipley craigashipley Wed 3/26/2003 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 8:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Anti-synthesizer?!?!?!?! In my experience people don't have a problem with synthesizers, as long as the music style conforms to something they're familiar with. I have never met anyone who didn't like Rush's 'Tom Sawyer' or Styx's 'Come Sail Away' because of the synthesizer parts. I just that most poeple in the US were 'raised on radio', so if it doesn't have lyrics, it's automatically boring. I'll cite an example from my own experiences: When I was in my last semester of college, we were having a study session in the senior computer lab. There were 8 to 10 people there, and I had brought my portable tape player 'boom box' to listen to. I prefer to study to instrumental music because lyrics tend to grab my thoughts. I had _Underwater Sunlight_ with me, so I popped it in. My classmates were fairly polite at first, but by the time 'Song of the Whale pt. 2' (one of my all time most favorite TD tracks!) ended, people were basically saying 'what is this crap?' and 'can't we listen to something else'. So one of the other guys offers up Enigma's _MCMXC AD_. After a few tracks the general consensus was 'this is really good stuff'. Now don't get me wrong; I like Enigma a lot, but I think _Underwater Sunlight_ is better music than _MCMXC AD_. But Enigma songs generally conform to a more 'pop' format: short tracks with repeating melody lines, good beats, and (usually) lyrics. (Enigma fans: don't flame me on this. Michael Cretu does some amazing things with this format.) I think the average person just doesn't venture far musically from what they know. Funny thing is that these guys were all about to graduate from college in Aerospace Engineering. I would have thought they would be a little more open to new things... James > -----Original Message----- > From: Mat Mckenzie [mailto:mmckenzie@o...] > Living in the UK I must admit that a lot of people's view of > the taste of your average US music listener is rock rock & > more rock & some country..... this could be unfair I don't > know, but it is many people's view just look at the contents > of the US chart most of the time. From: ampmusic Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 8:59 pm Subject: London Concert, this Saturday the 29th SATURDAY MARCH 29th 7.30pm-10.00pm 'Music for the 3rd Millennium'. Second of 10 concerts on the last Saturday of each month. 'Dark ambient & improvised electronics' with MODULUS (analog synthesizers & electronics) plus Eddie Sayer (gongs and electronics); PAUL HOOD (turntables); BELASKA (Mattin & Mark Wastell, electronic sound sources); RICHARD SANDERSON (voice & electronics) + DJ St. Cyprian's Church, Glentworth St, London NW1 6AX. Tel 0208 881 1211 £5.00 on the door. Tube; Baker Street (2 minutes walk) BR; Marylebone (3 minutes walk) concerts@a... Later concerts in the series include synthesizer, experimental, progressive rock and krautrock including WHITE NOISE, HARALD GROSSKOPF (Ash Ra Tempel & Klaus Schulze), music by TERRY RILEY and much more. The information page is constantly updated at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampconcerts.html From: 'Matthew Stringer' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 9:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau AFAIK Fractal Music was invented by Brian Eno. He wrote some software shortly after WFC called Koan Pro which enabled you to 'write' your own. This was available for PC and Mac however Jarre used a Atari Mega ST but I've no idea what software was used. Matthew -----Original Message----- From: Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) [mailto:glenn@f...] Sent: 22 March 2003 23:28 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' > 'Fractal music'. Nice term, did you coin that yourself or is it JMJ's own > description? It's JMJs description, but he did not invent it. Fractal music is simply based on a random generator, in this case for WFC being run by an Atari computer who randomly (within parameters defined by JMJ) selected MIDI data. The idea of fractals in art is not a new concept however. Glenn ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ### This email has been checked for all known viruses by the ### Firstnet anti-virus system - http://www.firstnet.net.uk ### Please email fav@f... for details. From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 9:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Waiting For Cousteau ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Stringer' > AFAIK Fractal Music was invented by Brian Eno. I dont think so. He may have coined the term, as he did with 'ambient', but he did not invent the music itself. Glenn From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 9:47 pm Subject: Re: Re; Sequencers --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Glynn Naughton' wrote: > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, ampmusic wrote: > > > Message: 12 > > > Date: Sun, 23 Mar 2003 17:44:19 EST > > > From: mrmorton@a... > > > Subject: Re: Re: sequencers > > > > > > I'm not vouching for the accuracy of the statement but I recall > an > > > interview > > > with Townsend where he said he had an arp 2500 at the time (the > big > > > arp > > > modular model) and that Terry Riley, the composer, helped him > with the > > > > > > sequence--hence the title. > > > Won't Get Fooled Again, OTOH, was supposed to be as one poster > > > described, an > > > organ with a VCS. > > And don't forgot that TD blantantly copied this sound for the end > of 'Tangram Part One'. It fits really well, though. > > > There's a widely available DVD about the making of 'Who's Next' > showing > > 'Won't Get Fooled Again' done with a Hammond organ sound chopped up > by > > the filter and envelope of an EMS vcs3 synth, whereas 'Baba > O'Reilly' > > was done with an ARP 2500 synth played by an ARP sequencer. > > I've never understood why so many people place such importance on > claiming that 'we were the first to use a sequencer on record'. After > all, the *idea* of sequences existed long before sequencers. Whether > the sequence is played by hand or by machine is a trivial detail, > surely. > > Glynn Frankes Sequencing,totaly Magnificent,have you heard anything like it? Diamond Diary.Long Live CF From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 11:12 pm Subject: ot synergy/tony levin Subject: OT: Syngery >Speaking of Larry Fast, has Synergy done anything new recently? >Most recent album I know of is 'Metropolitan Suite' which is quite nice. someone mentioned the tony levin connection--I'll add that an old synergy track--phobos--albeit updated and live can be found on the live tony levin band disc 'double espresso' along with larry on more-or-less the rest of the release....: http://tonylevin.com/dblesp.htm Cheers! --T _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40017 Re: ot synergy/tony levin Owens, James yxalag2 Wed 3/26/2003 2 KB 40018 Re: ot synergy/tony levin Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Wed 3/26/2003 3 KB 40019 Re: ot synergy/tony levin Owens, James yxalag2 Wed 3/26/2003 2 KB From: Steven Feldman Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 1:08 am Subject: Re Won't Get Fooled Again synth sound On Tue, 25 Mar 2003 19:51:14 -0000 'omegatransfinito' writes: >>>>Won't Get Fooled Again, OTOH, was supposed to be as >>>>one poster described, an organ with a VCS. >> >>And don't forgot that TD blantantly copied this sound for the end >>of 'Tangram Part One'. It fits really well, though. > >Does anyone else think that the end of Coldwater Canyon is >similar, slower though? I do. Okay, so that's a sorta lame posting, but at least it's on topic, fer crissakes! :( ;) > John Vertical Steven Feldman From: 'fozziebear' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 10:51 pm Subject: Cyclone Day Today Cyclone will be on my computer CD drive. First saw TD 25 years ago today David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'craigashipley' Date: Tue Mar 25, 2003 10:13 pm Subject: Re: synergy --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Liondream@a... wrote: > Latest I heard, I think Synergy released an album that was like Semiconductor (the double retrospective album) only with newly re- recorded tracks. > > He's also slowly converting his studio to softsynths. > > ...and was touring with Tony Levine's band as well as with a Nektar reunion tour (about a year ago). > The album to which you are referring is 2002's 'Reconstructed Artifacts' which are classic Synergy tunes done on modern equipment. Track listing is: Relay Breakdown/Warriors/S-Scape/Orbit 5/Ancestors/Flight Of The Looking Glass/(Metro Suite Abridged)North River-Steam And Steel Towers-Metropolitan Theme (Main Theme)/Into The Abyss. Must admit that I prefer the originals. He also contributed the track 'Moon Caves' to the 'Music For The Third Millenium' on AMP Records (nice compilation of electronic music). Regards, Craig Shipley From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 8:54 am Subject: Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre Speaking of concerts........... Anyone thinking of going to see 'Air Sculpture' live at the National Space Centre, Leicester, UK April 5th ? I only have one CD of their's Quark Soup but should be pretty good if you like vintage sequencer based TD ish stuff and it's a great venue Mat [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40114 Re: Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre vic rek kyivmission Sun 3/30/2003 3 KB 40122 Re: Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sun 3/30/2003 2 KB 40161 Re: Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre Adele Outland outlanda60 Tue 4/1/2003 2 KB 40165 Re: Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre VicRek kyivmission Tue 4/1/2003 2 KB From: tony.vandergaag@p... Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 8:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1744 Hi all ________________________________________________________________________ > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 24 Mar 2003 19:34:57 +0100 > From: 'Marcel Engels' > Subject: RE: OT Tomita > > I don't believe they are in 5.1, but only in > Dolby Surround. if these are the discs which are only 'dolby surround' believe they are the same which were already released in the early 90's. so maybe the label just re-released them for some 'easy money' with this dolby 5.1 hype going on at this time > > Speaking of Larry Fast, has Synergy done anything new recently? > Most recent album I know of is 'Metropolitan Suite' which is quite nice. > > I also have: > Audion (Electronic Compositions for the Post-Modern Age) > Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra > Computer Experiments, volume 1 > Games > Sequencer > Cords > Semiconductor (2 LP collection) > 'The Jupiter Menace' soundtrack > > James his latest release is from last year and is called 'reconstructed artifacts' this disc was released on the day of last years alpha-centauri festival in the netherlands. synergy was the headliner and while putting his show together for the festival he came with the idea for this cd. most of the stuff is re- arranged and re-recorded 'synergy classics'. most of his music is now done with an apple computer music systems and most of the tracks are sounding fresh and modern now but the 'old fealing' is still left intact. i bought my copy directly after the show from larry fast in person and i had the disc and booklet signed, he was speaking of a 'ltd-edition' back then so i don't know if this disc is still available. think best is to check his website, there are also some pretty good recordings around from his performance at the alpha-centauri festival so if you can get hold af that one you won't need to go for the 'studio-version' ;-) tony/rotterdam Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40014 Re: Digest Number 1744 Bill Fox ultramusicman Wed 3/26/2003 4 KB From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 9:01 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Syngery Just found this link for Synergy which people might find useful: http://www.eclipse.net/~synergy/ I'd have to agree that METROPOLITAN SUITE is quite good, and I have a rare 12' by synergy which I think was quite good but most of the other LPs sounded very dated to me - even when I heard them years ago, 'sounded' more like organ / keyboard style sounds not synths (even though they may be!) -----Original Message----- From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] Sent: 24 March 2003 20:29 To: 'tadream@yahoogroups.com' Subject: [tadream] OT: Syngery Speaking of Larry Fast, has Synergy done anything new recently? Most recent album I know of is 'Metropolitan Suite' which is quite nice. I also have: Audion (Electronic Compositions for the Post-Modern Age) Electronic Realizations for Rock Orchestra Computer Experiments, volume 1 Games Sequencer Cords Semiconductor (2 LP collection) 'The Jupiter Menace' soundtrack James > -----Original Message----- > I like to mention Larry Fast, Yes and even a > few others who > manage a bit of the electronics. Just this isn't the venue for it. > > dale ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 9:11 am Subject: FAQ > I just sent Steve a message. If he has a more recent copy than Klaus has > archived on his site (1999), then I'll see if I can get him to host it > again, or at least get a copy... Unless he updated his site just before he switched it off, I've never seen any newer version from Steve. I have the html version of the FAQ revision that's on my site, and would have no problems whatsoever to host it from now on, but it will need a thorough update, otherwise it'll just be a historic curiosity ;-) > If not, we'll have to have an update party... All for it! On a related subject, James, are there any later versions of your 'tracklists' than those on my site? If so, I'd appreciate a copy and can host it, if you wish. best regards, klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40030 Re: FAQ Mondarino Thu 3/27/2003 3 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 1:14 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1744 ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 1744 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Message: 4 > From: 'Owens, James' > Subject: OT: Syngery > > Speaking of Larry Fast, has Synergy done anything new recently? Yes. At the Alfa Centauri festival in March, 2002, Larry released a new CD called 'Reconstructed Artifacts' which is a totally new performance on modern gear of some of his classic Synergy music through the years. I interviewed him about that back stage before his performance and aired it on EMUSIC upon my return from Europe. My on-line playlist archive ought to reflect some spins of that CD at about that time (March, April 2002). Larry's site is http://www.eclipse.net/~synergy and has all the info you need. The new CD's complete story is at http://www.eclipse.net/~synergy/recon_artif.htm Cheers, Bill ========================================================================== ===== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 1:36 pm Subject: Re; Sequencers ----- Original Message ----- From: Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 1744 > ________________________________________________________________________ > Message: 21 > From: 'Joe Shoults' > Subject: RE: Re; Sequencers > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a player piano be the first digital > musical instrument? Music boxes predate player pianos by a long shot. > Mellotron sounds come from tape loops, right? But when you slow down the > tape, the pitch changes - analog. Slow down a player piano paper loop and > the pitch doesn't change; it's really like reading an old computer punch > card - digital. I don't know how much player piano music is sequenced, > though. Unfortunately, your example is flawed. Is a piano analog or digital? Its means of control does *not* alter the answer. Paper roll or fingers, there are still only 88 choices of which notes to play. Punch cards also do not define the computers they control. Puch cards also controlled analog computers, too! Yes, before there were digital computers, there were analog computers! Perhaps being an electronics engineer is why I know such trivia... Cheers, Bill ========================================================================== ===== SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us vidnaObmana - April 19, 2003 Robert Rich - July 12, 2003. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40025 Re: Re; Sequencers Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Wed 3/26/2003 3 KB From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 2:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re; Sequencers Bill Fox wrote: > Unfortunately, your example is flawed. Is a piano analog or digital? erm... you usually play it with your *digits*... ;-) armin Its > means of control does *not* alter the answer. Paper roll or fingers, > there are still only 88 choices of which notes to play. Punch cards also > do not define the computers they control. Puch cards also controlled > analog computers, too! Yes, before there were digital computers, there > were analog computers! Perhaps being an electronics engineer is why I > know such trivia... > > Cheers, > > Bill > ========================================================================== > ===== > SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us > vidnaObmana - April 19, 2003 > Robert Rich - July 12, 2003. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 3:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ot synergy/tony levin Thanks for the link. I just listened to the Phobos sample clip, and it sounds pretty cool! It definitely benefits from the bass and drums. I may have to snag this album. np- the rest of the samples > -----Original Message----- > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > > someone mentioned the tony levin connection--I'll add that an > old synergy > track--phobos--albeit updated and live can be found on the > live tony levin > band disc 'double espresso' along with larry on more-or-less > the rest of the > release....: > > http://tonylevin.com/dblesp.htm Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40018 Re: ot synergy/tony levin Wade Gordon mindvoyager1 Wed 3/26/2003 3 KB From: Wade Gordon Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 3:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ot synergy/tony levin Really? You think that is good? --- 'Owens, James' wrote: > Thanks for the link. > > I just listened to the Phobos sample clip, and it > sounds pretty cool! It > definitely benefits from the bass and drums. I may > have to snag this album. > > np- the rest of the samples > > -----Original Message----- > > From: tei waz [mailto:teiwazbarana@h...] > > > > someone mentioned the tony levin connection--I'll > add that an > > old synergy > > track--phobos--albeit updated and live can be > found on the > > live tony levin > > band disc 'double espresso' along with larry on > more-or-less > > the rest of the > > release....: > > > > http://tonylevin.com/dblesp.htm > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 3:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ot synergy/tony levin I can listen to the original Phobos anytime if I want to hear it. This sounds like an interesting 'jazzed-up' version. I'd have to hear the whole to know how much play time the disc would actually get, but the sample gives me hope... > -----Original Message----- > From: Wade Gordon [mailto:mindvoyager1@y...] > Sent: Wednesday, March 26, 2003 9:29 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] ot synergy/tony levin > > > Really? You think that is good? From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 4:56 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] FAQ I haven't updated the either tracklisting in a while. I believe you have latest inteact versions of both. I had a catastrophic failure of my working file of the boot tracklist, and I just haven't updated the official list in a long time. I'll try to make time to do a little of both. Of course with Tangerine Tree, the boot tracklisting is becoming obsolete, but maybe I could include a cross-reference to the appropriate TT vol #. I'll also volunteer to collect updates to the FAQ. We can incorporate them at some time in the future. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > > If not, we'll have to have an update party... > > All for it! On a related subject, James, are there any later > versions of > your 'tracklists' than those on my site? If so, I'd appreciate a copy > and can host it, if you wish. > > best regards, > klaus From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 5:18 pm Subject: Tadream FAQ update: help wanted Hi everyone, Anyone interested in helping with the update of the TD FAQ? If so, please review the most recent version at: http://www.caby.de/olists/tdfaq.txt Then email any corrections or additions to me at yxalag@c... Please put TD FAQ in the subject so I know what it's about. Let's get this FAQ party on the road! James Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40022 Re: Tadream FAQ update: help wanted Jonathan Holt plantpot_73 Wed 3/26/2003 3 KB 40023 Re: Tadream FAQ update: help wanted TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Wed 3/26/2003 3 KB From: Jonathan Holt Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 5:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tadream FAQ update: help wanted It's great that there is so much enthusiasm for a TD FAQ. I'll review and see if I can think of anynew Q's. Now Martin K at TDI - would this ever be put to use?!?!? --- 'Owens, James' wrote: > Hi everyone, > > Anyone interested in helping with the update of the > TD FAQ? > > If so, please review the most recent version at: > http://www.caby.de/olists/tdfaq.txt > > Then email any corrections or additions to me at > yxalag@c... > Please put TD FAQ in the subject so I know what it's > about. > > Let's get this FAQ party on the road! > > James > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ______________________________________________________________________ Post your free ad now! http://personals.yahoo.ca Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40023 Re: Tadream FAQ update: help wanted TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Wed 3/26/2003 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 5:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tadream FAQ update: help wanted At 12:39 26.03.03, you wrote: >It's great that there is so much enthusiasm for a TD >FAQ. I'll review and see if I can think of anynew Q's. > > >Now Martin K at TDI - would this ever be put to >use?!?!? > > Hi All, I will try my best. But you might also take into consideration that the band might not want to answer all the questions you pose. But ... let´s see... ;-) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Sean Montgomery' Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 6:28 pm Subject: Astoria single Some kind individual made the three songs from TDs' Astoria single available on the Soulseek file sharing network, and to that person, I say: thanks! The two tracks from Dream Mixes 4 sound great...the treatments of the tracks are far more adventurous and creative than what was done on DM3. Instead of just slapping some new percussion over top of the old track, these are totally new interpretations. And it sounds like the band has finally got their hands on some new gear/software, because there are sounds and voices here that I haven't heard from them before. It's refreshing. Meta Morph Magic is particularly great...the passage from 3:37 - 4:30 just rocks...if they could keep up that kind of intensity for an entire track, they might actually get it played in clubs. This track was a particularly good choice for a remix, since the original was so sparse. Here, they've added lots of lush production, while sampling the best sound effects from the original (the 'echoey machinery', 'fanfare', and 'evil chuckling'). Gate of Saturn isn't quite so successful for me...the drum part (once it kicks in) is just one monontonous loop, and gets irritating after a couple of minutes. I wonder if it was added as an afterthought just to make the song more 'Dream Mix-like'? The melody isn't bad, but is also repetitive...on the whole, I think the track would have been a lot better if it were half as long. But then, I thought the same thing about a few tracks on Mars Polaris...which is why I made my own 'radio edits'. :-) Anyway, there's still some life in this TD beast yet. I really look forward to picking up the new albums now. From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 6:49 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re; Sequencers You're right, I forgot about music boxes - much older than player pianos. As far as a player piano being 'digital' or not, I'm not sure what would precisely define 'digital musical instrument,' anyway. I was equating the holes in the paper loop to the pits that a laser reads on a compact disc, but I wasn't thinking about what would convert those 'on' or 'off' digital states into sound. What about Les Paul's guitar loops - is that considered 'sequencing'? Joe > -----Original Message----- > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't a player piano be the first > digital > > musical instrument? > > Music boxes predate player pianos by a long shot. > > > Mellotron sounds come from tape loops, right? But when you slow down > the > > tape, the pitch changes - analog. Slow down a player piano paper loop > and > > the pitch doesn't change; it's really like reading an old computer punch > > card - digital. I don't know how much player piano music is sequenced, > > though. > > Unfortunately, your example is flawed. Is a piano analog or digital? Its > means of control does *not* alter the answer. Paper roll or fingers, > there are still only 88 choices of which notes to play. Punch cards also > do not define the computers they control. Puch cards also controlled > analog computers, too! Yes, before there were digital computers, there > were analog computers! Perhaps being an electronics engineer is why I > know such trivia... > > From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 8:11 pm Subject: FAQ > I will try my best. But you might also take into consideration that the > band might not want to answer all the questions you pose. Martin and all, my proposal is that what we update here was (and will be) the inofficial TD FAQ. You're welcome to use whatever item in it for the Q&A section on the official TD homepage. And of course, we'll appreciate your and the band's input on stuff that you understandably don't want to have answered on your offical homepage. We'll just quote 'usually well informed sources' ;-) best regards, klaus From: Rolf Elfström Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 9:02 pm Subject: Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection >If it is not already too late, how can I get a copy of this fine looking >collection? >I know at some point there was a tree going but I do not know if the tree is >still active or if anyone out there has a copy and is interested in trading >please let me know privately. > >Thanks >Marcelo And as usual I repeat my plea: Would some kind samaritan put it up on a ftp somewhere... pleeeeeease! (sobbing) Rolf Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40317 SV: [tadream] Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection Micke Stark Runsten micke_stark Sun 4/13/2003 3 KB From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 9:15 pm Subject: Pathos? Was anyone from this list in Pathos (Cyprus) a week or two ago? A mate of mine (also a TD fan) was there on his honeymoon recently when he bumped into another TD fan (t-shirts gave them away!) who had been at all the London gigs in recent years. My mate didn't catch his name, and I was just wondering if it was anyone from this list? Thanks! - Chris [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Chris Owen' Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 9:21 pm Subject: TT3 - Attn Vernon Could my TT3 leaf (Vernon) please contact me offlist please? Thanks. - Chris chris@o... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Mondarino Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 1:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] FAQ >> I just sent Steve a message. If he has a more recent copy than Klaus has >> archived on his site (1999), then I'll see if I can get him to host it >> again, or at least get a copy... > >Unless he updated his site just before he switched it off, I've never >seen any newer version from Steve. I have the html version of the FAQ >revision that's on my site, and would have no problems whatsoever to host >it from now on, but it will need a thorough update, otherwise it'll >just be a historic curiosity ;-) I double-checked last night and, unlike I said before, yes, I have it archived. Only the html version. I forgot to write down the numbers, but mine is from 2000. Something like 03-04-2000, Version 1.36. I'll post the exact numbers tomorrow. Regards. Edu From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 5:30 pm Subject: Re: A question about the Archive downloads I'd like info on this as well, need to fill some holes in TT2, and complete the set. From: 'musonaut' Date: Wed Mar 26, 2003 3:47 pm Subject: Tang. Dream 'Live! Improvised!' I'm willing to sell the rare 2CD 'Live! Improvised!' Recorded Live at the Reims Cathedral, Dec. 13, 1974 Label OH-Boy 2-9159 For those interested, send me an email: dsm4music@h... regards musonaut From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 4:12 am Subject: Re: A question about the Archive downloads OK, maybe this one will work, having a tough time getting a post to show up. If this shows up in triplicate, please excuse the error. I have TT3 from a kind soul here who had an FTP set up for it. I'd be willing to post TT3 to the usenet group alt.binaries.music.shn if you have usenet access and would be willing to trade volumes 10-16. We'd have to coordinate so as to not flood the group too much, contact me off list if you're interested. From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 7:26 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re; Sequencers >What about Les Paul's guitar loops - is that considered 'sequencing'? > >Joe Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't loops and sequencing whole different things? I mean, a repeating 'thud thud boing' doesn't in my book quite count as a sequence... Or are these loops you're discussing something else than just repetition? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40042 Re: Re; Sequencers Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Thu 3/27/2003 4 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 7:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Vocabulary (was: FAQ update) I'd like to bring up the topic of TD vocabulary. Anyone have any idea what the following titles may mean? (Browsed from VitN) Arx Allemand Calymba Caly Campera De Mon Glyan Canzone Cool Shibuya Culpa Levis Myopia World most of the non-English Inferno tracks --- And here's some which I know already, but consider difficult enough to be inserted to the vocabulary list: Chia Maroon Fauni-Gena Hopi Mesa Heart Rim of Schiaparelli Rolling Down Cahuenga Samowar Juri John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40038 Re: Vocabulary (was: FAQ update) Owens, James yxalag2 Thu 3/27/2003 4 KB 40039 Re: Vocabulary (was: FAQ update) John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 3/27/2003 2 KB 40040 Re: Vocabulary (was: FAQ update) Dan Downey djambient Thu 3/27/2003 3 KB From: 'nike_italy2002' Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 12:28 pm Subject: MIRACLE MILE ON DVD Hello in the Amazon.com homepage you can find the preorder page of the Miracle Mile DVD http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/- /B00008R9KL/qid=1048767539/sr=1-2/ref=sr_1_2/102-9356305-5113718? v=glance&s=dvd#product-details Regards Nicola Cont From: Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 2:53 pm Subject: [tadream] Could anybody please be so kind and repost the link to the article about the 'frippertronic / wheelchair affair' ?? Best regards Jörg ______________________________________________________________________________ Wenn POP für Sie mehr als nur Musik ist. Senden Sie Ihre SMS direkt aus Outlook oder Netscape! http://freemail.web.de/features/?mc=021177 From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 4:25 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Vocabulary (was: FAQ update) Well I'm no linguist, but I'll do some guessing based on a couple of computer translations... (anybody that knows better, please feel free to correct me!) > -----Original Message----- > Arx Allemand Arx is latin for 'citadel' or 'peak'. Allemand is the French word for 'German' Since this is from 'The Keep' I'm sure it's something like 'German Citadel', referring to the German Army setting up in the Keep. > Calymba Caly No idea. It's not Latin, French, Italian, German, or Portuguese. In Russian 'Caly' returns 'they are roan', but this may just be a coincidence. Calamba is a city in the Phillipines. I don't know if that is related. > Campera De Mon Glyan French: Campera is a verb meaning 'will camp'. 'de mon' = 'of my'. Glyan does not translate, its probably a place name. So my best guess is something like 'Camping at Glyan'. > Canzone A musical term. In sixteenth century Italy, a 'canzone' was an instrumental song (or chant). Light, fast-moving, strongly rhythmic, fairly simple counterpoint texture. Developed into a piece for larger ensembles in varying tempos and sections. > Cool Shibuya Shibuya is a region of Tokyo. It appears to be a heavily commercial area that is the source of a lot of Japanese 'pop culture', including video games and music (The Pizzicato Five, for instance). > Culpa Levis Latin: Culpa = fault; Levis = slight, petty, or fickle In legal language, 'Culpa Levis' is 'Ordinary Negligence' a situation where a person failed to do something or prevent something from happening not through direct intention, but through simple neglect. The person is only 'slighly at fault'. > Myopia World Myopia = near-sightendness Presumably a 'myopia world' would be 'only what you know personally', or perhaps a lack of global thinking. > most of the non-English Inferno tracks I'm sure these are all references to Dante's 'Divine Comedy'. I've never read it myself, so I can't say for certain. > --- > > And here's some which I know already, but consider difficult > enough to be > inserted to the vocabulary list: > > Chia Maroon > Fauni-Gena > Hopi Mesa Heart > Rim of Schiaparelli > Rolling Down Cahuenga > Samowar Juri From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 5:59 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Vocabulary (was: FAQ update) > > Calymba Caly > >No idea. It's not Latin, French, Italian, German, or Portuguese. >In Russian 'Caly' returns 'they are roan', but this may just be a >coincidence. >Calamba is a city in the Phillipines. I don't know if that is related. I know (and forgot to mention) that a calymba is some sort of African instrument, but 'caly'? This is the one that has been bugging me the most, and for quite some time now. Perhaps it's a mispelling of 'clay'? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40040 Re: Vocabulary (was: FAQ update) Dan Downey djambient Thu 3/27/2003 3 KB From: Dan Downey Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 6:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Vocabulary (was: FAQ update) --- John Vertical wrote: > > > Calymba Caly > > > >No idea. It's not Latin, French, Italian, German, > or Portuguese. > >In Russian 'Caly' returns 'they are roan', but this > may just be a > >coincidence. > >Calamba is a city in the Phillipines. I don't know > if that is related. > > > I know (and forgot to mention) that a calymba is > some sort of African > instrument, That instrument is also known as a thumb piano - a gourd or hollow wooden box with various length metal tines. You hold it wedged in your palms and kind of flick the tines with your thumbs. I could easily imagine a sequenced piece reminscent of the sound. > but 'caly'? This is the one that has > been bugging me the most, > and for quite some time now. Perhaps it's a > mispelling of 'clay'? > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months > FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: > mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > ===== DanD - aka DJAmbient www.ambientissue.com __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From: Chris Richards Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 8:36 pm Subject: Re: sequencing vs loops <> Wait a second, I thought a sequencer did create a repeating 'thud thud boing' when applied to oscillators (in a modular synth, a sequencer can be applied to any parameter). How would a tape loop be different? ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 9:08 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re; Sequencers I just looked up what dictionary.com says: se.quence n. A melodic or harmonic pattern successively repeated at different pitches with or without a key change. or 4. (Mus.) (a) Any succession of chords (or harmonic phrase) rising or falling by the regular diatonic degrees in the same scale; a succession of similar harmonic steps. (b) A melodic phrase or passage successively repeated one tone higher; a rosalia. ...not that that means anything to me. It was a long time ago - maybe 25 years - since I saw this PBS special with Les Paul demonstrating this looping technique. I can't remember now if he changed the pitch of the loop with a knob or switch, or just played a new loop over the old one. Maybe the difference between a sequence and this looping is that a sequence evolves gradually instead of being completely overwritten? What makes a sequence a sequence in electronic music? Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 2:27 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] Re; Sequencers > > > >What about Les Paul's guitar loops - is that considered 'sequencing'? > > > >Joe > > > Correct me if I'm wrong, but aren't loops and sequencing whole different > things? I mean, a repeating 'thud thud boing' doesn't in my book > quite count > as a sequence... > > Or are these loops you're discussing something else than just repetition? > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 10:13 pm Subject: OT: Tribute CD to the Columbia Crew I just wanted to let everybody know that I have sent the 8 cd's to my friend at Johnson Space Center in Huston. He will send a copy to each family. To the guys that put it together, you did a most excellent job on it. Robert Asmus Asmus0324@c... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40044 Re: OT: Tribute CD to the Columbia Crew Owens, James yxalag2 Thu 3/27/2003 2 KB 40045 Re: OT: Tribute CD to the Columbia Crew Administrator dale1kay Thu 3/27/2003 3 KB 40046 Re: OT: Tribute CD to the Columbia Crew Pergamon pergamondk Thu 3/27/2003 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 10:28 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Tribute CD to the Columbia Crew Robert, Thanks for making it possible to get it to them! James > -----Original Message----- > I just wanted to let everybody know that I have sent the 8 > cd's to my > friend at Johnson Space Center in Huston. He will send a copy to each > family. To the guys that put it together, you did a most > excellent job > on it. From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 10:35 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Tribute CD to the Columbia Crew Thanks from my end too!!! dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 2:28 PM Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Tribute CD to the Columbia Crew > Robert, > > Thanks for making it possible to get it to them! > > James > > > -----Original Message----- > > I just wanted to let everybody know that I have sent the 8 > > cd's to my > > friend at Johnson Space Center in Huston. He will send a copy to each > > family. To the guys that put it together, you did a most > > excellent job > > on it. > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Pergamon' Date: Thu Mar 27, 2003 11:53 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Tribute CD to the Columbia Crew So did you, thanks Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Robert Asmus' To: 'Tangerine Tree' Sent: Thursday, March 27, 2003 11:13 PM Subject: [tadream] OT: Tribute CD to the Columbia Crew > I just wanted to let everybody know that I have sent the 8 cd's to my > friend at Johnson Space Center in Huston. He will send a copy to each > family. To the guys that put it together, you did a most excellent job > on it. > > > > > > Robert Asmus > > Asmus0324@c... > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: DAVKAUFMAN@a... Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 1:38 am Subject: New Steve Jolliffe CD Steve Jolliffe, a former member of Tangerine Dream, has a new CD out called 'Space' and it is available from us at Horizon Music. Please visit our Web site at www.hmnetwork.com for more information, an MP3 sample, or to order a copy. Sincerely, Dave Kaufman President Horizon Music, Inc. www.hmnetwork.com From: 'kayleighsdaddy' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:39 am Subject: A quick question about TD boots Hey there all, just a quick question about TD boots. I have TT 1 and 2 (downloading 3 tomorrow), and I wanted to find out a curious question. I know I have a boatload of boots, a massive trading list, and I have a ton of Marillion (and related), Genesis (and related), and TONS of others, but seeing the quality (all A+ from what I've seen so far and own) related to TD, and how many hundreds of trading lists I've seen out there with TD live material, just curious WHAT is the size of an average Tangerine Dream boot collection by fans? I know 99% of all their shows are all different from venue to venue and from tour to tour, BUT just curious? I at one time had nearly 250 Marillion and Fish shows (it's still floating around 85-90 of EACH as i ditched a ton years ago), and I probably have about 75-80 of Genesis and related (with Collins, Hackett, etc), but with TD? Just curious. I think aside of TT 1 and 2, I own about 40 more live shows. HOW many do others have on here? How many are really readily available? Marillion isn't BIG on taping, so it's difficult as hell. I haven't had much luck obtaining ANYTHING from their overseas tours (as they don't tour the US here anymore due to money restrictions), and nobody seems to either want to trade, OR they've gotten really harsh on the taping policies. Any response? Thanks.... dan The Rugrats Romper Room!!! http://www.iloverugrats.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad) / Yahoo (kayleighsdaddy) MSN Messenger (kayleighsdad@h...) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLuRP_Trading [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40050 Re: A quick question about TD boots John Vertical omegatransfinito Fri 3/28/2003 2 KB 40103 (OT) Can anyone recommend Klaus Schulze's Contemporary weorks Vol 1 Richard zoanne1uk Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB 40104 Re: (OT) Can anyone recommend Klaus Schulze's Contemporary weorks Vo Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sat 3/29/2003 3 KB 40110 Re: (OT) Can anyone recommend Klaus Schulze's Contemporary weorks Vo René Brenner fairway_ch Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB 40053 Re: A quick question about TD boots Owens, James yxalag2 Fri 3/28/2003 3 KB 40058 Re: A quick question about TD boots Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Fri 3/28/2003 3 KB 40080 Re: A quick question about TD boots Adele Outland outlanda60 Sat 3/29/2003 3 KB 40086 A quick question about TD boots Morgan Feldon feldon23 Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB 40089 A quick question about TD boots Morgan Feldon feldon23 Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB From: mrmorton@a... Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 12:11 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re; Sequencers The term 'sequence' as that definition stated, is a 'term of art' in Western classical music and has little to do with what the term has come to mean in modern electronic music. The term arose in electronic music to describe repetitive patterns that used a 'sequencer' to play automatically after the user programmed in certain parameters. These could stay in the same key, be short phrases or longer phrases, melodic or rhythmic or both. As 'sequencers' became digital and allowed for more complexity and polyphony, the term today has meany meanings but often means an entire piece programmed into midi and played back by the midi sequencer. The term loops comes from tape that was 'looped' around the heads and tape recorder and something else, like a microphone stand,to provide playback of a repeating pattern that a composer recorded onto the tape. As 'sequencers' became more complex, the interchangability of the terms 'sequence' and 'loop' became less useful. Hope this isn't too off topic. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 10:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A quick question about TD boots >...just curious WHAT is the size of an average Tangerine Dream boot >collection by fans? I know 99% of all their shows are all different from >venue to venue and from tour to tour, BUT just curious? I've been a TD fan for say, 5 years, and all I have are the TT disks, some Classic Tree stuff (Live Improvised, The Real Sohoman, Antarktis & 20th C. Serenades) and a 4-CD collection with overlaps about 40% with TT et al. So that makes about 50 CDs. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40103 (OT) Can anyone recommend Klaus Schulze's Contemporary weorks Vol 1 Richard zoanne1uk Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB 40104 Re: (OT) Can anyone recommend Klaus Schulze's Contemporary weorks Vo Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sat 3/29/2003 3 KB 40110 Re: (OT) Can anyone recommend Klaus Schulze's Contemporary weorks Vo René Brenner fairway_ch Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 11:41 am Subject: RE: [tadream] A quick question about TD boots / TD Collections Interesting question Dan ! - maybe worthy of a proper survey, how long have you been a fan? how many concerts have u been too? favourite TD track? favourite TD album? size of collection? no doubt it's been done before but Maybe Martin Kasprzak should ask everyone this ? Without checking I'd say.... how long have you been a fan? Approx 19 years How many concerts have u been too? About 10 Favourite TD track? Almost impossible to say but either 'Love on a Real Train' or 'Charly the Kid' or 'Ricochet' ok it's too hard! Favourite TD album? Almost impossible to say but either 'Ricochet' or 'Exit' or 'Logos' Size of boot collection? Approx : Vinyl 20, CD 30, Tape 20 Size of official collection? Approx : Vinyl 100, CD 100, Tape 40 Would love to get the Tangerine Tree TT1, 2 and all the other newsgroup boot CD's but I don't have broadband at home for downloading and it does seem quite a complex process with all this leaf & branch stuff! maybe i'll work it out one day :-) Mat -----Original Message----- From: kayleighsdaddy [mailto:kayleighsdad@i...] Sent: 28 March 2003 02:39 To: tadream Subject: [tadream] A quick question about TD boots Hey there all, just a quick question about TD boots. I have TT 1 and 2 (downloading 3 tomorrow), and I wanted to find out a curious question. I know I have a boatload of boots, a massive trading list, and I have a ton of Marillion (and related), Genesis (and related), and TONS of others, but seeing the quality (all A+ from what I've seen so far and own) related to TD, and how many hundreds of trading lists I've seen out there with TD live material, just curious WHAT is the size of an average Tangerine Dream boot collection by fans? I know 99% of all their shows are all different from venue to venue and from tour to tour, BUT just curious? I at one time had nearly 250 Marillion and Fish shows (it's still floating around 85-90 of EACH as i ditched a ton years ago), and I probably have about 75-80 of Genesis and related (with Collins, Hackett, etc), but with TD? Just curious. I think aside of TT 1 and 2, I own about 40 more live shows. HOW many do others have on here? How many are really readily available? Marillion isn't BIG on taping, so it's difficult as hell. I haven't had much luck obtaining ANYTHING from their overseas tours (as they don't tour the US here anymore due to money restrictions), and nobody seems to either want to trade, OR they've gotten really harsh on the taping policies. Any response? Thanks.... dan The Rugrats Romper Room!!! http://www.iloverugrats.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad) / Yahoo (kayleighsdaddy) MSN Messenger (kayleighsdad@h...) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLuRP_Trading [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40084 Re: A quick ans about TD boots / TD Collections giuseppe milazzo deathandtransfiguration Sat 3/29/2003 6 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 1:17 pm Subject: OT: my site Hello everyone, my site now is working with the new design. there's already an english version of it, but the site isn't finished yet. there are already 128 kbps mp3 samples from my album for your enjoyment. please have a look (and listen) at http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br . i intend to complete the site soon. any comments are welcome! :) gj np: enya ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 4:04 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] A quick question about TD boots Just doing a quick count on Paul Fellows' incredible TD site, there are approximately 287 individual concerts for which fan recordings exist (a small percentage taped from radio broadcasts rather than at the concert directly). Don't forget that there are multiple versions of many of those concerts as well. (East Berlin, 1980 comes to mind - I know of 5 different versions besides the official release, 'Pergammon'.) I'd guess I have around 150, counting multiple versions of some concerts > -----Original Message----- > Hey there all, just a quick question about TD boots. I have > TT 1 and 2 (downloading 3 tomorrow), and I wanted to find out > a curious question. I know I have a boatload of boots, a > massive trading list, and I have a ton of Marillion (and > related), Genesis (and related), and TONS of others, but > seeing the quality (all A+ from what I've seen so far and > own) related to TD, and how many hundreds of trading lists > I've seen out there with TD live material, just curious WHAT > is the size of an average Tangerine Dream boot collection by > fans? I know 99% of all their shows are all different from > venue to venue and from tour to tour, BUT just curious? > dan From: 'maggior' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 4:14 pm Subject: Suspicious auction on Ebay Take a look at the following auction on Ebay: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? Item&item=2518339023&category=1566 Item #6 I suspect is from the Tangerine Tree. Am I right? How do we handle this? Thanks, Rich Maggio Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40055 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay maggior maggior Fri 3/28/2003 2 KB 40057 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Fri 3/28/2003 3 KB 40063 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Fri 3/28/2003 2 KB 40129 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40056 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Owens, James yxalag2 Fri 3/28/2003 2 KB 40059 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Fri 3/28/2003 3 KB 40060 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Colin Jouxson convention24 Fri 3/28/2003 2 KB 40062 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay tei waz teiwazbarana2002 Fri 3/28/2003 2 KB 40068 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay maggior maggior Fri 3/28/2003 3 KB From: 'maggior' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 4:26 pm Subject: Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'maggior' wrote: > Take a look at the following auction on Ebay: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > Item&item=2518339023&category=1566 > > Item #6 I suspect is from the Tangerine Tree. > > Am I right? How do we handle this? > > Thanks, > Rich Maggio Let's try this again - hopefully the link won't be wrapped. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2518339023 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40057 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Fri 3/28/2003 3 KB 40063 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Fri 3/28/2003 2 KB 40129 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 4:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Suspicious auction on Ebay All three of the boots (items 5,6,7) are/were available outside of the tangerine tree. He could probably sell the set of the 4 legit CDs for $40 - $50, so if the price doesn't go over that, he's just giving them the three concert boots for free out of the goodness of his heart :-) However, e-bay has a strict 'no CDR' policy, and these are doubtlessly CDRs... > -----Original Message----- > Item #6 I suspect is from the Tangerine Tree. > > Rich Maggio From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 7:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Rich, It may not be from TT I got the concert on 3 discs way before it hit the TREE. THE HIGHLANDER At 04:26 PM 3/28/03 -0000, you wrote: >--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'maggior' wrote: >> Take a look at the following auction on Ebay: >> http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? >> Item&item=2518339023&category=1566 >> >> Item #6 I suspect is from the Tangerine Tree. >> >> Am I right? How do we handle this? >> >> Thanks, >> Rich Maggio > >Let's try this again - hopefully the link won't be wrapped. > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2518339023 > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 7:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A quick question about TD boots I have TT1 and 2 plus Classic Tree, which makes 45 approx TT3 soon (I said I was going to review some of it to MAff!) Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 10:01 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] A quick question about TD boots > >...just curious WHAT is the size of an average Tangerine Dream boot > >collection by fans? I know 99% of all their shows are all different from > >venue to venue and from tour to tour, BUT just curious? > > > I've been a TD fan for say, 5 years, and all I have are the TT disks, some > Classic Tree stuff (Live Improvised, The Real Sohoman, Antarktis & 20th C. > Serenades) and a 4-CD collection with overlaps about 40% with TT et al. > > So that makes about 50 CDs. > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 7:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Suspicious auction on Ebay Being a member of Ebay, i tried this link. Ebay says its an INPUT ERROR!!!! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'maggior' To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 4:14 PM Subject: [tadream] Suspicious auction on Ebay > Take a look at the following auction on Ebay: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > Item&item=2518339023&category=1566 > > Item #6 I suspect is from the Tangerine Tree. > > Am I right? How do we handle this? > > Thanks, > Rich Maggio > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 7:54 pm Subject: Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'maggior' wrote: > Take a look at the following auction on Ebay: > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? > Item&item=2518339023&category=1566 > > Item #6 I suspect is from the Tangerine Tree. > > Am I right? How do we handle this? > > Thanks, > Rich Maggio Looks like another item from a dodgy character,the likes of these bas@@@@@ ought to be Horsewhipped.Scum of the Earth. From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:31 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #314 for March 27, 2003 [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #314 March 27, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I concluded the month-long focus on Spacecraft, a spacemusic group originally inspired by the Voyager space probe. The Featured CD at midnight was 'Summer Town' on the Space for Music label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Mosaic' by Richard Burmer on the Fortuna Records. I played the music of vidnaObmana who will play at the next Soundscapes in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on April 19. He also phoned in from his home in Belgium for an exclusive interview. Spacecraft http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#mar vidnaObmana http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#apr Soundscapes Concert Series http://soundscapes.us PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Richard Burmer Physics Mosaic (Fortuna) vidnaObmana Landscape in Obscurity Landscape in Obscurity (Hypnos) vidnaObmana Live telephone interview Mark Shreeve Thought of War - Part 1 Thoughts of War (Champagne Lake Productions) Andreas Akwara Solar Eclipse - Part 1 Solar Eclipse (AA Musci) 12:00 am Spacecraft Summer Town Summer Town (Space for Music) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll begin a month-long focus on vidnaObmana. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Act One: Echoes of Steel' from his work in progress, 'An Opera for Four Fusion Works' on the Hypnos label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Pictures at an Exhibition,' an LP by Isao Tomita on RCA Records. I will also play the music of vidnaObmana, Vir Unis, and James Johnson who will be appearing at local concerts in April. Bill ========================================================================== ===== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'tei waz' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:37 pm Subject: re: Suspicious auction on Ebay >How do we handle this? ebay's policy is that the copyright owner (moreorless) has to handle it--so TD or its agents....... --T _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40068 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay maggior maggior Fri 3/28/2003 3 KB 40070 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Fri 3/28/2003 4 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 8:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay If someone has instructions or a URL handy on how to report this sort of violation to eBay, please post it on this list for everyone to see. If you find stuff like this, please report it here so that multiple people will be jumping on eBay. If eBay's policies do not forbid CDRs or piracy, what would be the way to handle it? Thanks, Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: maggior [mailto:maggior@m...] > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2518339023 > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40129 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:01 pm Subject: Hard-edged e-music I was just listening too 'Pulstar' and 'Main Sequence' by Vangelis, and it started me thinking about making myself a compilation of hard-edged e-music cuts that really rock! This is what came to mind: Vangelis: Pulstar, Main Sequence, Nucleogenesis (pt. 2) from _Albedo 0.39_ 1st Movement of _Heaven and Hell_ Will of the Wind, Dial Out, Rotation's Logic from _Direct_ Nerve Center from _The City_ Yanni: The Magus from _Optimystique_ Standing in Motion, Point of Origin from _Out of Silence_ Oldfield: Above the Clouds from _Tubular Bells III_ middle section of Tubular Bells part 1 JMJ: opening and ending sections of Magnetic Fields part I TD: Dominion from _Logos_ Vermillion Breeze ;-) Sailing Mission from 'The Keep' radio broadcasts Central Park, Streethawk from _Le Parc_ Horns of Doom from _KLEM_ cassette Scrap Yard, Dr. Destructo, Diamond Diary (it's hard to choose) from _Thief_ Too Hot for My Chinchilla from _Lily on the Beach_ Cloudburst Flight from _Force Majeure_ Stratosfear from _Stratosfear_ Dolphin Dance as played in Paris 1986 (KILLER organ solo) Horizon opening and ending sections from _Poland_ Namlook: Fairlight I from _4 Voice_ Dark Side of the Moog Phantom Heart Brother pt 4 Franke: Chimes and Chains from _70-80_ box set O'Hearn: Devil's Lake from _Indigo_ Future Sound of London: Dead Cities from _Dead Cities_ Comments or other suggestions? James (I wonder if all that will fit on an MP3 disc?) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40073 Re: Hard-edged e-music quarlie@a... Quarlie Fri 3/28/2003 3 KB 40079 Re: Hard-edged e-music Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sat 3/29/2003 3 KB 40087 Re: Hard-edged e-music John Vertical omegatransfinito Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB 40101 Re: Hard-edged e-music Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB From: ampmusic Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:05 pm Subject: Re: Sequencers, Loops > Message: 1 > Date: Thu, 27 Mar 2003 12:36:02 -0800 (PST) > From: Chris Richards > Subject: Re: sequencing vs loops > > < sequencing whole different > things? I mean, a repeating 'thud thud boing' > doesn't in my book quite count > as a sequence... > > Or are these loops you're discussing something > else than just repetition?>> > > Wait a second, I thought a sequencer did create a > repeating 'thud thud boing' when applied to > oscillators (in a modular synth, a sequencer can > be applied to any parameter). How would a tape > loop be different? > > ===== > May you never thirst! Sounds like you may need to hear my CD 'Sequencer Loops' :-) Despite the title, there are almost no sequencers on it, and not really anything you'd call a 'loop'. It SOUNDS like there's flipping tons of both though. The secret of how it's done may lie somwehere in the instrumentation list....or maybe in Terry Riley's 'A Rainbow In Curved Air'. Info and MP3's at http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampcds.html and occasionally on eBay, maybe even at http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2519460293 More sequencing in London this coming May, done the traditional way, with a flipping huge modular synthesizer... :-) http://www.ampmusic.demon.co.uk/ampconcerts.html [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Owens, James' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:11 pm Subject: Re: Sequencer Loops That reminds me... you never did tell us what the 'actual' words are at the beginning of 'The Stone'... I made a good guess some time back. I'd like to see how close I got. Thanks, James > -----Original Message----- > From: ampmusic [mailto:info@a...] > > Sounds like you may need to hear my CD 'Sequencer Loops' :-) > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2519460293 From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Joe Shoults wrote: > > If someone has instructions or a URL handy on how to report this sort of > violation to eBay, please post it on this list for everyone to see. If you > find stuff like this, please report it here so that multiple people will be > jumping on eBay. > > If eBay's policies do not forbid CDRs or piracy, what would be the way to > handle it? They do forbid bootlegs. See http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/bootlegs.html On the same page there is a link to report listing violations, but apparently only registered users can use it. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40069 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay maggior maggior Fri 3/28/2003 2 KB From: 'maggior' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:17 pm Subject: Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay > ebay's policy is that the copyright owner (moreorless) has to handle it--so > TD or its agents....... > > > --T That may be true, but as I remember, one of the conditions that TDI placed on us to allow the Tangerine Tree project to exist without interference from them was that we do our best to ensure that these discs are not sold/exchanged for any sort of profit. We have to police this ourselves. So, since Martin from TDI reads this newsgroup, I guess we can consider TDI to be notified :-). There are some other auctions up there that they probably won't be pleased about either - like some '2 on 1' soundtrack discs. Either this guy on Ebay doesn't have a clue or is really shady - he has Tyger and Lily on the Beach listed as well, though the title of his auction is for 'live Tangerine Dream'. Anyway, just trying to be a good 'Tangine Tree/tadream' citizen :-). I'll second Joe S's suggestion - if anybody knows of a proper procedure to follow when these situations occur, it would be helpful for us to police the misuse of the Tangerine Tree volumes. Thanks, Rich Maggio --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'tei waz' wrote: > > >How do we handle this? > > > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40070 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Fri 3/28/2003 4 KB From: 'maggior' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:29 pm Subject: Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Thanks Antonio. Ebay's policy is pretty plain. I'm an ebay member, so I was able to send a message to Ebay's customer service. I informed them that some of the items are bootlegs and should not be sold. I'll let you all know what sort of a response I get. Yes, I acknowledge that these shows may not be from the Tangerine Tree distribution since they were available previously, but there is an equal chance that they indeed are. Thanks, Rich Maggio > They do forbid bootlegs. See > http://pages.ebay.com/help/policies/bootlegs.html > > On the same page there is a link to report listing violations, but > apparently only registered users can use it. > > Antonio Nunes From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:45 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Have you been paying attention to what has been said by other members????? This show has been available long before the Tree came about. You are not even sure if it is from the Tree. There is no picture. Why not e-mail the guy thru 'Ask the seller a question' and have him send you a scan of the artwork before you get your underwear in a bunch? THE HIGHLANDER >That may be true, but as I remember, one of the conditions that TDI >placed on us to allow the Tangerine Tree project to exist without >interference from them was that we do our best to ensure that these >discs are not sold/exchanged for any sort of profit. We have to >police this ourselves. > >So, since Martin from TDI reads this newsgroup, I guess we can >consider TDI to be notified :-). There are some other auctions up >there that they probably won't be pleased about either - like some '2 >on 1' soundtrack discs. > >Either this guy on Ebay doesn't have a clue or is really shady - he >has Tyger and Lily on the Beach listed as well, though the title of >his auction is for 'live Tangerine Dream'. > >Anyway, just trying to be a good 'Tangine Tree/tadream' citizen :-). > >I'll second Joe S's suggestion - if anybody knows of a proper >procedure to follow when these situations occur, it would be helpful >for us to police the misuse of the Tangerine Tree volumes. > >Thanks, >Rich Maggio > > > >--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'tei waz' wrote: >> >> >How do we handle this? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay That seems the present course of action for a lot of things, lets just jump in there and do it... yea, one should have asked seller to describe it etc. Ebay will check into it however, and they do... I hope this seller isn't selling TD material derived from our efforts. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Robert Grabowsky' To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 1:45 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay > Have you been paying attention to what has been said by other members????? > > This show has been available long before the Tree came about. > > You are not even sure if it is from the Tree. There is no picture. > > Why not e-mail the guy thru 'Ask the seller a question' and have him send > you a scan of the artwork before you get your underwear in a bunch? > > THE HIGHLANDER > > > > >That may be true, but as I remember, one of the conditions that TDI > >placed on us to allow the Tangerine Tree project to exist without > >interference from them was that we do our best to ensure that these > >discs are not sold/exchanged for any sort of profit. We have to > >police this ourselves. > > > >So, since Martin from TDI reads this newsgroup, I guess we can > >consider TDI to be notified :-). There are some other auctions up > >there that they probably won't be pleased about either - like some '2 > >on 1' soundtrack discs. > > > >Either this guy on Ebay doesn't have a clue or is really shady - he > >has Tyger and Lily on the Beach listed as well, though the title of > >his auction is for 'live Tangerine Dream'. > > > >Anyway, just trying to be a good 'Tangine Tree/tadream' citizen :-). > > > >I'll second Joe S's suggestion - if anybody knows of a proper > >procedure to follow when these situations occur, it would be helpful > >for us to police the misuse of the Tangerine Tree volumes. > > > >Thanks, > >Rich Maggio > > > > > > > >--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'tei waz' wrote: > >> > >> >How do we handle this? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > >Tangerine Tree info at > >http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'michaeljean@e...' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 9:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay I agree. These look like mainly legitmate releases. There were also copies of the INFERNO and WARSAW recordings circulating long before the tree. Why hassle the guy, unless you know it is advertised as TT? MJ Original Message: ----------------- From: Robert Grabowsky hghlndr@t... Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:45:38 -0500 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Have you been paying attention to what has been said by other members????? This show has been available long before the Tree came about. You are not even sure if it is from the Tree. There is no picture. Why not e-mail the guy thru 'Ask the seller a question' and have him send you a scan of the artwork before you get your underwear in a bunch? THE HIGHLANDER >That may be true, but as I remember, one of the conditions that TDI >placed on us to allow the Tangerine Tree project to exist without >interference from them was that we do our best to ensure that these >discs are not sold/exchanged for any sort of profit. We have to >police this ourselves. > >So, since Martin from TDI reads this newsgroup, I guess we can >consider TDI to be notified :-). There are some other auctions up >there that they probably won't be pleased about either - like some '2 >on 1' soundtrack discs. > >Either this guy on Ebay doesn't have a clue or is really shady - he >has Tyger and Lily on the Beach listed as well, though the title of >his auction is for 'live Tangerine Dream'. > >Anyway, just trying to be a good 'Tangine Tree/tadream' citizen :-). > >I'll second Joe S's suggestion - if anybody knows of a proper >procedure to follow when these situations occur, it would be helpful >for us to police the misuse of the Tangerine Tree volumes. > >Thanks, >Rich Maggio > > > >--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'tei waz' wrote: >> >> >How do we handle this? >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> _________________________________________________________________ >> MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -------------------------------------------------------------------- mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://mail2web.com/ . Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40074 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay maggior maggior Fri 3/28/2003 6 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 10:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hard-edged e-music 'Owens, James' wrote: >I was just listening too 'Pulstar' and 'Main Sequence' by Vangelis, and it >started me thinking about making myself a compilation of hard-edged e-music >cuts that really rock!  This is what came to mind: Hmm. Of the ones I've heard on your list, I'm not sure too many strike me as hard-edged. Too much industrial music for me lately, I guess. That said, a glance through my collection turned up the following tracks that might meet your criteria: The Brain - Now Is Forever Delerium - Transmitter Dilate - Shapeshifter Edgar Froese - Nights of Automatic Women (with rockin' drums from Krieger) Paul Haslinger - Desert Diva, among others The Orb - A Mile Long Lump of Lard Klaus Schulze - Mindphaser (once the drums come in) Tangerine Dream - Choronzon, Order of the Ginger Guild, Grind, After the Call, Bride in Cold Tears (a personal favorite of mine)... Zero Gravity - Stonehenge Revisited --Daniel NP: the Cruxshadows - Wishfire From: 'maggior' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 10:27 pm Subject: Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay I agree that these shows may not actually be copies of the Tangerine Tree releases, but they *could* be. In my opion, if there is any doubt, we should assume that they *are* TT copies. Copies of the TT shows have been given to Edgar himself and TDI monitors this group - TDI is certainly aware of what shows are part of TT. If shows that have been included in our TT distribution start showing up for sale on Ebay, do you think TDI is going to interview each seller to find out if they are indeed TT shows? No, they will likely change their attitude toward our project and could essentially shut it down (meaning we wouldn't be able to run it out in the open). This is why I have 'my underware in a bunch' over this - I would hate to see this project discontinued because of legal issues. Anyway, I've done what I thought needed to be done for my own reasons. I will herby discontinue using bandwidth for this topic :-). Thanks, Rich Maggio --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'michaeljean@e...' wrote: > I agree. These look like mainly legitmate releases. > > There were also copies of the INFERNO and WARSAW recordings circulating > long before the tree. > > Why hassle the guy, unless you know it is advertised as TT? > > MJ > > Original Message: > ----------------- > From: Robert Grabowsky hghlndr@t... > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:45:38 -0500 > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay > > > Have you been paying attention to what has been said by other members????? > > This show has been available long before the Tree came about. > > You are not even sure if it is from the Tree. There is no picture. > > Why not e-mail the guy thru 'Ask the seller a question' and have him send > you a scan of the artwork before you get your underwear in a bunch? > > THE HIGHLANDER > > > > >That may be true, but as I remember, one of the conditions that TDI > >placed on us to allow the Tangerine Tree project to exist without > >interference from them was that we do our best to ensure that these > >discs are not sold/exchanged for any sort of profit. We have to > >police this ourselves. > > > >So, since Martin from TDI reads this newsgroup, I guess we can > >consider TDI to be notified :-). There are some other auctions up > >there that they probably won't be pleased about either - like some '2 > >on 1' soundtrack discs. > > > >Either this guy on Ebay doesn't have a clue or is really shady - he > >has Tyger and Lily on the Beach listed as well, though the title of > >his auction is for 'live Tangerine Dream'. > > > >Anyway, just trying to be a good 'Tangine Tree/tadream' citizen :- ). > > > >I'll second Joe S's suggestion - if anybody knows of a proper > >procedure to follow when these situations occur, it would be helpful > >for us to police the misuse of the Tangerine Tree volumes. > > > >Thanks, > >Rich Maggio > > > > > > > >--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'tei waz' wrote: > >> > >> >How do we handle this? > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> _________________________________________________________________ > >> MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > >----------------------------------------------------_- > >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > >Tangerine Tree info at > >http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > http://mail2web.com/ . From: 'Administrator' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 11:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay nada wrong with being diligent. I just think we might should have dug a bit into the seller before doing the ebay reporting just to make sure. Then of course, slam him or her or they... dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'maggior' To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 2:27 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay > I agree that these shows may not actually be copies of the Tangerine > Tree releases, but they *could* be. In my opion, if there is any > doubt, we should assume that they *are* TT copies. > > Copies of the TT shows have been given to Edgar himself and TDI > monitors this group - TDI is certainly aware of what shows are part > of TT. If shows that have been included in our TT distribution start > showing up for sale on Ebay, do you think TDI is going to interview > each seller to find out if they are indeed TT shows? No, they will > likely change their attitude toward our project and could essentially > shut it down (meaning we wouldn't be able to run it out in the > open). This is why I have 'my underware in a bunch' over this - I > would hate to see this project discontinued because of legal issues. > > Anyway, I've done what I thought needed to be done for my own > reasons. I will herby discontinue using bandwidth for this topic :-). > > Thanks, > Rich Maggio > > > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'michaeljean@e...' > wrote: > > I agree. These look like mainly legitmate releases. > > > > There were also copies of the INFERNO and WARSAW recordings > circulating > > long before the tree. > > > > Why hassle the guy, unless you know it is advertised as TT? > > > > MJ > > > > Original Message: > > ----------------- > > From: Robert Grabowsky hghlndr@t... > > Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 16:45:38 -0500 > > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > > Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay > > > > > > Have you been paying attention to what has been said by other > members????? > > > > This show has been available long before the Tree came about. > > > > You are not even sure if it is from the Tree. There is no picture. > > > > Why not e-mail the guy thru 'Ask the seller a question' and have > him send > > you a scan of the artwork before you get your underwear in a bunch? > > > > THE HIGHLANDER > > > > > > > > >That may be true, but as I remember, one of the conditions that > TDI > > >placed on us to allow the Tangerine Tree project to exist without > > >interference from them was that we do our best to ensure that > these > > >discs are not sold/exchanged for any sort of profit. We have to > > >police this ourselves. > > > > > >So, since Martin from TDI reads this newsgroup, I guess we can > > >consider TDI to be notified :-). There are some other auctions up > > >there that they probably won't be pleased about either - like > some '2 > > >on 1' soundtrack discs. > > > > > >Either this guy on Ebay doesn't have a clue or is really shady - > he > > >has Tyger and Lily on the Beach listed as well, though the title > of > > >his auction is for 'live Tangerine Dream'. > > > > > >Anyway, just trying to be a good 'Tangine Tree/tadream' citizen :- > ). > > > > > >I'll second Joe S's suggestion - if anybody knows of a proper > > >procedure to follow when these situations occur, it would be > helpful > > >for us to police the misuse of the Tangerine Tree volumes. > > > > > >Thanks, > > >Rich Maggio > > > > > > > > > > > >--- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'tei waz' > wrote: > > >> > > >> >How do we handle this? > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> _________________________________________________________________ > > >> MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* > > >> http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus > > > > > > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > >----------------------------------------------------_- > > >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > > >Tangerine Tree info at > > >http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > mail2web - Check your email from the web at > > http://mail2web.com/ . > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40076 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay billythefish01 billythefish01 Sat 3/29/2003 4 KB 40077 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Robert Asmus plastics67 Sat 3/29/2003 5 KB 40078 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Sat 3/29/2003 3 KB From: 'billythefish01' Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 12:41 am Subject: Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay FACT:- TT project now exists and covers pretty mush most live concerts previously available with more to follow. FACT:- TT is tolerated by TD themelves (see below) FACT:- Anyone with the the nouse to locate this auction (or any other similar) should be similarly able to locte this group and /or TT project. Conclusion:- this kind of auction is now history. It never needs to exist again (no matter how long these recordings have been on offer before). With 650 plus members, it IS up to us to bombard these 'sellers' with advice and links to the now correct channels and to inform e-bay (or others) likewise. Long live the TT project! BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Administrator' wrote: > nada wrong with being diligent. > > I just think we might should have dug a bit into the seller before doing the > ebay reporting just to make sure. Then of course, slam him or her or they... > > dale > > >> > > I agree that these shows may not actually be copies of the Tangerine > > Tree releases, but they *could* be. In my opion, if there is any > > doubt, we should assume that they *are* TT copies. > > > > Copies of the TT shows have been given to Edgar himself and TDI > > monitors this group - TDI is certainly aware of what shows are part > > of TT. If shows that have been included in our TT distribution start > > showing up for sale on Ebay, do you think TDI is going to interview > > each seller to find out if they are indeed TT shows? No, they will > > likely change their attitude toward our project and could essentially > > shut it down (meaning we wouldn't be able to run it out in the > > open). This is why I have 'my underware in a bunch' over this - I > > would hate to see this project discontinued because of legal issues. > > > > Anyway, I've done what I thought needed to be done for my own > > reasons. I will herby discontinue using bandwidth for this topic :-). > > > Why hassle the guy, unless you know it is advertised as TT? > > > > > > MJ > > > > > > >Either this guy on Ebay doesn't have a clue or is really shady - Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40077 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Robert Asmus plastics67 Sat 3/29/2003 5 KB 40078 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Sat 3/29/2003 3 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 2:10 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay My One Cent worth... I don't think that we have too much to worry about. I am sure that the Folks at TDI have already seen our concerns. Just like a couple Of months ago when somebody found a web site selling TD shows And saw our concerns. I am sure they feel a lot of pride in How much we care about this project and I hope they will not stop It on the members. Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: billythefish01 [mailto:mudspanker@y...] Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 7:42 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay FACT:- TT project now exists and covers pretty mush most live concerts previously available with more to follow. FACT:- TT is tolerated by TD themelves (see below) FACT:- Anyone with the the nouse to locate this auction (or any other similar) should be similarly able to locte this group and /or TT project. Conclusion:- this kind of auction is now history. It never needs to exist again (no matter how long these recordings have been on offer before). With 650 plus members, it IS up to us to bombard these 'sellers' with advice and links to the now correct channels and to inform e-bay (or others) likewise. Long live the TT project! BTF --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Administrator' wrote: > nada wrong with being diligent. > > I just think we might should have dug a bit into the seller before doing the > ebay reporting just to make sure. Then of course, slam him or her or they... > > dale > > >> > > I agree that these shows may not actually be copies of the Tangerine > > Tree releases, but they *could* be. In my opion, if there is any > > doubt, we should assume that they *are* TT copies. > > > > Copies of the TT shows have been given to Edgar himself and TDI > > monitors this group - TDI is certainly aware of what shows are part > > of TT. If shows that have been included in our TT distribution start > > showing up for sale on Ebay, do you think TDI is going to interview > > each seller to find out if they are indeed TT shows? No, they will > > likely change their attitude toward our project and could essentially > > shut it down (meaning we wouldn't be able to run it out in the > > open). This is why I have 'my underware in a bunch' over this - I > > would hate to see this project discontinued because of legal issues. > > > > Anyway, I've done what I thought needed to be done for my own > > reasons. I will herby discontinue using bandwidth for this topic :-). > > > Why hassle the guy, unless you know it is advertised as TT? > > > > > > MJ > > > > > > >Either this guy on Ebay doesn't have a clue or is really shady - ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40078 Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Sat 3/29/2003 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 2:36 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay Hey Rich, What about the 16 other Tangerine Dream Bootlegs on Ebay including someone selling their personal copy of Electronic Orgy???? You gonna turn them in too??? What about all of the bootlegs you have bought or traded for maybe you should report yourself and your sources to the Tangerine Dream attorneys??? And remember to 'assume' makes an ass out of you and me. I think you can find better things to do with your time when you do not know for sure that an item is not from The Tree. Last words from THE HIGHLANDER >>> >> > I agree that these shows may not actually be copies of the >Tangerine >> > Tree releases, but they *could* be. In my opion, if there is any >> > doubt, we should assume that they *are* TT copies. >> > >> > Copies of the TT shows have been given to Edgar himself and TDI >> > monitors this group - TDI is certainly aware of what shows are >part >> > of TT. If shows that have been included in our TT distribution >start >> > showing up for sale on Ebay, do you think TDI is going to >interview >> > each seller to find out if they are indeed TT shows? No, they >will >> > likely change their attitude toward our project and could >essentially >> > shut it down (meaning we wouldn't be able to run it out in the >> > open). This is why I have 'my underware in a bunch' over this - >I >> > would hate to see this project discontinued because of legal >issues. >> > >> > Anyway, I've done what I thought needed to be done for my own >> > reasons. I will herby discontinue using bandwidth for this >topic :-). From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 2:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Hard-edged e-music It's an interesting idea... but Oldfield is no e-music... well, TB isn't at all, but TB3 has synths here and there. Maybe his latest, Tres Lunas, which I don't have but I listened some, could be considered EM, but the album claims to be chill-out music, not hard-edged at all, certainly. I suggest you try Heldon. I recommend the tracks from the Interface album, specially. You can also try Nine Inch Nails: Head Like a Hole, Starfuckers Inc., Mr. Self Destruct, March of the Pigs... Ash Ra Tempel's Amboss (1st track from the 1st album), Trans AM's I Want It All (fantastic piece of 100% pure Moog bass, vocoder and real drums), from their album Red Line, a masterpiece, which has other such pieces like Polizei. All these are what I call hard-edged. Try Einstürzende Neubauten too, like Installation No.1 and Was Ist Ist from the Ende Neu album. >I was just listening too 'Pulstar' and 'Main Sequence' by Vangelis, and it >started me thinking about making myself a compilation of hard-edged e-music >cuts that really rock!(...) >TD: >Stratosfear from _Stratosfear_ that's not really hard edged, for me. that 'acoustic lsd' piece with the insane guitar solo could be one. and albedo's main sequence is really fantastic. ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 3:12 am Subject: Re: [tadream] A quick question about TD boots Trying to give a quick answer without actually counting: I would guess about 100 cdr's and probably twice that in tape. However, much of that is probably...no most assuredly... duplicated. Does that make me average? I don't think so. There are humongous collections out there! I'm just a puppy. 8-Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'John Vertical' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] A quick question about TD boots >Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 12:01:29 +0200 > > >...just curious WHAT is the size of an average Tangerine Dream boot > >collection by fans? I know 99% of all their shows are all different from > >venue to venue and from tour to tour, BUT just curious? > > >I've been a TD fan for say, 5 years, and all I have are the TT disks, some >Classic Tree stuff (Live Improvised, The Real Sohoman, Antarktis & 20th C. >Serenades) and a 4-CD collection with overlaps about 40% with TT et al. > >So that makes about 50 CDs. > >John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 3:53 am Subject: OT: Columbia Tribute CD Just a little note to all that were involved.. I took my copy with me to work to listen to. I love the work that you did on it. While I was listening to it, my supervisor asked what it was I was listening to so I showed her. She said she had never heard music like this. I told her how this compilation came about. And the rough time frame that it took to complete it. I can't put it in the right words that she said to me to make it sound right. But she said was that with everything that is going on. It is nice to how people all around like to express how they feel. Like for existence, I showed this to my wife and she has listened to it with me. She is not an electronic music fan. Especially when I play TD. But she loves to listen to this album with me. But she will not listen to the last three tracks with me. When I started to play this yesterday she was reading the track list. She in her opinion felt that the last 3 songs had great sadness in them. It took me till tonight to realize what she was meaning and I will share that with you. My wife and I had a baby boy back on July 29, 1996. He was a beautiful boy. But after two days my son Ian started to have some problems. After about a week in children's hospital we found out that Ian had a extremely rare neurological disorder. With much research I found out that it was so rare that my son was the 20th baby in the world to be diagnosed with it in the 20 years since it was discovered. The Disorder was called Ohtahara Syndrome. We found out that it was terminal. Ian passed away on Nov 4, 1998. But during that time I saw things in my son that just amazed me that I could never imagine. When I knew what the outcome was. I know Ian knew something was wrong but he fought to the end. And he never lost his personality. Like all dad's I would do things with my son. I used to watch Tool Time with Tim Allen and I would mimick the sounds that Tim made to him. Well the day that I accepted my sons fate I was holding him and felt very sad. I know Ian sensed it and he started to make the sounds that Tim Allen makes, to make me feel better. But the thing I remember most was the facial expressions that he was making. Ian made me laugh so hard that my wife Julia asked me what I going on. When I told her I had to have her come and take Ian out of my arms. He had made me laugh that hard and it made me feel better about it. Thinking about the last three tracks It does have some meaning of sadness. I am not a truly religious person, but if there is a heaven up there. I know my Ian is up there running free. Robert Asmus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40127 Re: OT: Columbia Tribute CD Harry dat_dream Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB From: '_ponder_' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 3:23 pm Subject: birthday greetings from UPI http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030327-033408-3990r Today's musical milestones: (April 4) Today's birthdays include Muddy Waters, whose real name was McKinley Morganfield, who was born in 1915; Hugh Masekela in 1939 (age 64); Major Lance in 1941 (age 62); Tangerine Dream's Christoph Franke in 1942 (age 61); Berry Oakley of the Allman Brothers Band was born in 1948; Gail Davies was also born in 1948 (age 55); Steve Gatlin of the Gatlin Brothers in 1951 (age 52); Slade guitarist Dave Hill and Peter Haycock of the Climax Blues Band, both in 1952 (age 51); Motley Crue guitarist Mick Mars, whose real name is Bob Deal, in 1955 (age 48); and Deacon Blue guitarist Graeme Kelling in 1957 (age 46). Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40088 Re: birthday greetings from UPI John Vertical omegatransfinito Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB 40118 Re: birthday greetings from UPI Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Sun 3/30/2003 3 KB From: 'flibbleblah' Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 2:24 pm Subject: TT3 Hi all, Please be patient with me, as I'm a newbie to this group... :) I'm interested in joining TT3, but haven't heard back after I emailed the list owner (link on the tree website). Is TT3 still going? I received a copy of TT2, which I really enjoyed --- I loved volumes 10, 12, and 14. I managed to get some of TT1 from the recent postings on alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.electronic (thank you!), but missed volume 7 (Croydon Fairfield Hall 1975). Many thanks! Kind regards, Matthew From: giuseppe milazzo Date: Fri Mar 28, 2003 1:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] A quick ans about TD boots / TD Collections Hi Mat, I am been a TD fun for long time, and me too II havn't got a broadband, (I can't afford at the moment') but I can help you by copies TT1 and TT@ for you. This is a short, very short letter. So I wait for your reply Giuseppe Mat Mckenzie wrote:Interesting question Dan ! - maybe worthy of a proper survey, how long have you been a fan? how many concerts have u been too? favourite TD track? favourite TD album? size of collection? no doubt it's been done before but Maybe Martin Kasprzak should ask everyone this ? Without checking I'd say.... how long have you been a fan? Approx 19 years How many concerts have u been too? About 10 Favourite TD track? Almost impossible to say but either 'Love on a Real Train' or 'Charly the Kid' or 'Ricochet' ok it's too hard! Favourite TD album? Almost impossible to say but either 'Ricochet' or 'Exit' or 'Logos' Size of boot collection? Approx : Vinyl 20, CD 30, Tape 20 Size of official collection? Approx : Vinyl 100, CD 100, Tape 40 Would love to get the Tangerine Tree TT1, 2 and all the other newsgroup boot CD's but I don't have broadband at home for downloading and it does seem quite a complex process with all this leaf & branch stuff! maybe i'll work it out one day :-) Mat -----Original Message----- From: kayleighsdaddy [mailto:kayleighsdad@i...] Sent: 28 March 2003 02:39 To: tadream Subject: [tadream] A quick question about TD boots Hey there all, just a quick question about TD boots. I have TT 1 and 2 (downloading 3 tomorrow), and I wanted to find out a curious question. I know I have a boatload of boots, a massive trading list, and I have a ton of Marillion (and related), Genesis (and related), and TONS of others, but seeing the quality (all A+ from what I've seen so far and own) related to TD, and how many hundreds of trading lists I've seen out there with TD live material, just curious WHAT is the size of an average Tangerine Dream boot collection by fans? I know 99% of all their shows are all different from venue to venue and from tour to tour, BUT just curious? I at one time had nearly 250 Marillion and Fish shows (it's still floating around 85-90 of EACH as i ditched a ton years ago), and I probably have about 75-80 of Genesis and related (with Collins, Hackett, etc), but with TD? Just curious. I think aside of TT 1 and 2, I own about 40 more live shows. HOW many do others have on here? How many are really readily available? Marillion isn't BIG on taping, so it's difficult as hell. I haven't had much luck obtaining ANYTHING from their overseas tours (as they don't tour the US here anymore due to money restrictions), and nobody seems to either want to trade, OR they've gotten really harsh on the taping policies. Any response? Thanks.... dan The Rugrats Romper Room!!! http://www.iloverugrats.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad) / Yahoo (kayleighsdaddy) MSN Messenger (kayleighsdad@h...) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLuRP_Trading [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- With Yahoo! Mail you can get a bigger mailbox -- choose a size that fits your needs [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Felna Greymane Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:12 am Subject: Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay I think it just as likely this guy got the TT set and is getting rid of his old non-TT copies. I agree that unless the price went nuts this isn't that big of a deal. I ended up giving my old sets replaced by TT sets to friends that like some TD but never asked me to make them copies. Spreads the music around a bit. Greymane on Kali - #24670 *** ICQ #312642 (also in #TADREAM in IRC) I HIGHLY recommend these programs! From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:25 am Subject: A quick question about TD boots >from kayleighsdaddy: >Hey there all, just a quick question about TD boots. I have TT 1 and 2 >(downloading 3 tomorrow), and I wanted to find out a curious question. I >know I >have a boatload of boots, a massive trading list, It's a little bit out of date re: TT3, but you might find this useful: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/Bootlegs.txt Anything under Depreciated is going to kept purely for sentimental value at this point. From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Hard-edged e-music > >Stratosfear from _Stratosfear_ > >that's not really hard edged, for me. >that 'acoustic lsd' piece with the insane guitar solo could be one. I'll second that here - though SF 95 could count as hard-edged. And what about Ricochet Part One? the beginning of Atem? Madrigal Meridian? ... If live tapes count in too, make sure to add Thermal Inversion. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40101 Re: Hard-edged e-music Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] birthday greetings from UPI >Today's musical milestones: > > >(April 4) > >Tangerine >Dream's Christoph Franke in 1942 (age 61); That'd make him 29 by the time Alpha Centauri was recorded. He was 17.. so the year should be 1954 and the current age 49, right? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:48 am Subject: A quick question about TD boots Some interesting, if dry statistics: The 2 numbers after the year are: -Shows for which I have a recording -Shows for which known tapes exist 1968 1/1 1971 2/2 1972 1/1 1973 2/2 1974 8/8 1975 14/17 (82%) 1976 20/25 (80%) 1977 11/11 (100%) 1978 6/12 (50%) 1980 7/17 (41%) 1981 14/22 (64%) 1982 9/21 (43%) 1983 7/7 (100%) 1986 9/41 1987 1/1 1988 4/25 1990 2/13 1992 3/16 1995 0/1 1996 1/1 1997 4/16 1998 1/1 1999 1/1 2001 4/4 -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 8:28 am Subject: Bootleggers, roll your DATs! I thought the timing appropriate... http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.04/play.html?pg=4 >Fans have traded live bootlegs for decades ('Got that 'Dark Star' from >Cleveland '73?'). But the tech - gadgets like laptop recorders, portable >DAT players, and pen-sized microphones, as well as distribution methods >like SHNapster and FTP servers - keeps getting better....'It becomes, 'How >much time do I have in the day to burn it?'' says John Bartol, a >35-year-old IT consultant from Alexandria, Virginia, who has been taping >and trading concerts since 1984. 'There's always more to grab.' > >Among the booters' most inventive tactics: using wireless radio receivers >that capture signals sent to the in-ear monitors musicians wear to hear >one another onstage. Fans can record a pristine feed of the entire show >from outside the venue. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40123 Re: Bootleggers, roll your DATs! Admin dale1kay Mon 3/31/2003 4 KB From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 9:42 am Subject: Suspicious auction on Ebay Hi all, I won't quote anybody on the negative side of my remarks, because I will use irony and exaggeration to make my point as clear as possible: I am appalled at how easily people turn into inquisitors, Blockwart, Stasi-Spitzel (you name your branch of local denounciator) just because it's 'for a good cause'. Irony and exaggeration end here. A fair and balanced reaction, in my opinion, would be to ask the seller a question. Then report the auction here on this list if it's clearly Tangerine Tree (TT) material and he won't pull it back himself, or you don't get a satisfactory answer. Then leave it to TDI, as the copyright owner (or believable imposter for some older material ;-), to have ebay cancel the auction. Do not report the auction to ebay right away, they will usually not do any background checks. They'll just cancel the auction to cover their own derrieres. Unless the seller is a real pro, that is, a power seller, a good ebay customer. In this case, they'll ignore any pleads until the real copyright owner speaks up. Do not accuse people of willful wrongdoings out of the blue. Someone might just be selling off the collection of his deceased cousin and never have read the 'never sell, only trade'. That would hardly make him the scum of the earth in my value system. Give people a chance to explain themselves before public denounciation and being 'burnt at the stake'. If the price for TDI's toleration of the TT is that we help to keep up the 'never sell, only trade', then this is as much 'policing' as I would be willing to. Nobody has ever asked us to interfere with non-TT material, so please let's keep it this way! klaus From: ampmusic Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 10:17 am Subject: Re; Sequencer Loops Message: 7 Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2003 15:11:16 -0600 From: 'Owens, James' Subject: Re: Sequencer Loops That reminds me... you never did tell us what the 'actual' words are at the beginning of 'The Stone'... I made a good guess some time back. I'd like to see how close I got. Thanks, James > -----Original Message----- > From: ampmusic [mailto:info@a...] > > Sounds like you may need to hear my CD 'Sequencer Loops' :-) > > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2519460293 You were 98% right and I owe you a CD... Please e-mail me offlist with your address. I was pleased that the words were as intelligible as they turned out to be. I really struggled with the vocoder trying to make it a bit more intelligible than the opening of 'Cyclone'... I'll post the original words shortly. Basically it's a poem about alchemy. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'hlauj000' Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 8:04 am Subject: classic tree Was there ever artwork or setlists for the classic tree? I have found the TT1 , TT2 and TT3 info but nothing for Classic. Thanks for any help Hans Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40094 Re: classic tree René Brenner fairway_ch Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB From: René Brenner Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 11:26 am Subject: Re: classic tree It should be here: http://mst3uk.com/tdtree/ct/index.htm But it looks like Maff took the website down. --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'hlauj000' wrote: > Was there ever artwork or setlists for the classic tree? > I have found the TT1 , TT2 and TT3 info but nothing for Classic. > Thanks for any help > Hans From: herold.u@t... Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 12:49 pm Subject: homepage updated Hi all, after a long time I have updated my homepage today. If you're interested go to http://members.tripod.de/goblinsdream/ dreamin' regards, Uwe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40096 homepage updated herold.u@t... goblinsdream Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB 40097 homepage updated herold.u@t... goblinsdream Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB 40100 Re: homepage updated Jim Moore moxica93 Sat 3/29/2003 3 KB From: herold.u@t... Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 12:52 pm Subject: homepage updated Hi all, after a long time I have updated my homepage today. If you're interested go to http://members.tripod.de/goblinsdream/ dreamin' regards, Uwe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: herold.u@t... Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 12:52 pm Subject: homepage updated Hi all, after a long time I have updated my homepage today. If you're interested go to http://members.tripod.de/goblinsdream/ dreamin' regards, Uwe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Marchington' Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 1:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] classic tree I have it all. If you like to reply to me off line I can send it to you. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'hlauj000' To: Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 8:04 PM Subject: [tadream] classic tree > Was there ever artwork or setlists for the classic tree? > I have found the TT1 , TT2 and TT3 info but nothing for Classic. > Thanks for any help > Hans > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 1:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: classic tree From: 'René Brenner' > It should be here: > > http://mst3uk.com/tdtree/ct/index.htm > > But it looks like Maff took the website down. I'm in the process of moving the covers for all the tree projects to a single site. In the meantime, the CT art is available from these links: > > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdtree/ct_20th.zip > > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdtree/ct_antarktis.zip > > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdtree/ct_berlin.zip > > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdtree/ct_cologne.zip > > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdtree/ct_liveimprov.zip > > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdtree/ct_strangeatt.zip > > http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdtree/ct_trs.zip Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40141 Re: classic tree dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 1:54 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] homepage updated Are CD Longboxes collectibles? If so, I've got quite a few that I never bothered to throw away... - jim -----Original Message----- From: herold.u@t... [mailto:herold.u@t...] Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 7:49 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] homepage updated Hi all, after a long time I have updated my homepage today. If you're interested go to http://members.tripod.de/goblinsdream/ dreamin' regards, Uwe [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 2:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Hard-edged e-music >I'll second that here - though SF 95 could count as hard-edged. >And what about Ricochet Part One? the beginning of Atem? Madrigal Meridian? >... >If live tapes count in too, make sure to add Thermal Inversion. >John Vertical Hmm.. not really for me. I think Zeit is one hard-edged piece of music. (the whole album). it sounds like it's impossible to make nowadays. for me, certainly one of the best TD works. Electronic Meditation too. Conrad Schnitzler. Manuel's E2-E4. by Schulze, Voices of Syn, from Blackdance. Irrlicht. Cyborg. Mirage, maybe. gj np sigur rós ( ) ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 2:32 pm Subject: D:Studio [Rockoon] I had the luck to find Rockoon, which I had never heard before at all, for a very nice price. of course, I bought it. at first listen, my opinion about the music is, usually, yawwwwn. (what a difference from 220 volt) but who knows, with time and other chances. gj np sigur rós ( ) ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: Richard Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 4:05 pm Subject: (OT) Can anyone recommend Klaus Schulze's Contemporary weorks Vol 1 ??? A quick question to those in the know: I have quite a few of Klaus Schulze's albums including Contemporary Works Vol 2 which I find interesting. Can anyone recommend Vol 1 (10 disc set) or any of the other 10 disc sets? Cheers -- Richard F Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40104 Re: (OT) Can anyone recommend Klaus Schulze's Contemporary weorks Vo Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sat 3/29/2003 3 KB 40110 Re: (OT) Can anyone recommend Klaus Schulze's Contemporary weorks Vo René Brenner fairway_ch Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 4:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] (OT) Can anyone recommend Klaus Schulze's Contemporary weorks Vol 1 ??? >I have quite a few of Klaus Schulze's albums including Contemporary >Works Vol 2 which I find interesting. Can anyone recommend Vol 1 (10 >disc set) or any of the other 10 disc sets? >Cheers -- Richard F CW 1 is a great collection. My favourites are cds 1,2,3 and 4; there's Ballett, which is a 4cd work inside the box (cd 6,7,8,9) with a lot of different kinds of music, but usually some of the most expansive KS music ever, like most works in CW 2. The only CD I don't like is CD5, made in collaboration with this group which name I forgot, because there are these dub rhythms and stuff I don't enjoy. One of my favourite tracks in CW1 is Overchill, with an excellent vocal work. about the other sets I can't say much because i've only heard a few cdrs I have. but there's some fantastic work in there. ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: 'fozziebear' Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 6:03 pm Subject: hard-edged e-music I would include Frank Herbert by KS David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 6:38 pm Subject: TD enigma I've this enigmatic story for you: The Place: Lousã, a small town (15000 habitants) in the centre of Portugal. The Context: an English class for 10-11 year old pupils. The Teacher asks: What are your favourite singers / bands? 4 of the 20 pupils answer: Tangerine Dream! (other enigmatic answers were Pink Floyd) How can you explain this (true!) story? I will give the correct answer in a few days... Note: there are no prizes involved. :-) Regards, Jorge Figueiredo ((> Vangelis - Blade Runner Esper Edition <)) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40108 Re: TD enigma John Vertical omegatransfinito Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB 40111 Re: TD enigma Antonio Nunes ajogon Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB 40113 Re: TD enigma Jorge Figueiredo jorgefig66 Sat 3/29/2003 2 KB From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 2:40 pm Subject: Miracle Mile on FLIX tonight Miracle Mile will be on the cable movie channel FLIX tonight, Saturday, March 29, at 10:30 PM EST. Maybe I'll take a trip out today and see if I can pick up the soundtrack CD, don't have that one... (written 3-29-03 9:40 AM EST) From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD enigma >4 of the 20 pupils answer: Tangerine Dream! >(other enigmatic answers were Pink Floyd) > >How can you explain this (true!) story? Do you happen to have quadruplets who you've taught to like TD? :-) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 7:21 pm Subject: curious Hello, Dreamers, I've found a funny web site featuring TS stuff in mp3 format : http://www.transcd.com/artist/909.html Antarktis is included in the best of, isn't this strange ? And there is a lot of artists in this site... Dream On, Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40117 Re: curious omegatransfinito omegatransfinito Sun 3/30/2003 2 KB 40130 Release or composition dates? billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40134 Re: Release or composition dates? John Vertical omegatransfinito Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40137 Re: Release or composition dates? Mr Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40139 Re: Release or composition dates? Antonio Nunes ajogon Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB 40142 Re: Release or composition dates? dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40144 Re: Release or composition dates? Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40148 Re: Release or composition dates? Frédéric Yargui fredyargui Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB 40153 Release or composition dates? strat95@b... strat9500 Mon 3/31/2003 4 KB From: René Brenner Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 8:14 pm Subject: Re: (OT) Can anyone recommend Klaus Schulze's Contemporary weorks Vol 1 ??? --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Richard wrote: > A quick question to those in the know: > > I have quite a few of Klaus Schulze's albums including Contemporary > Works Vol 2 which I find interesting. Can anyone recommend Vol 1 (10 > disc set) or any of the other 10 disc sets? If you like Contemporary Works Vol. 2 I can strongly recommend you Vol. 1 because it is somehow better imho especially if you like vocals and atmospheres. Regards René Brenner From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 8:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD enigma Jorge Figueiredo wrote: > > The Context: an English class for 10-11 year old pupils. > The Teacher asks: What are your favourite singers / bands? > 4 of the 20 pupils answer: Tangerine Dream! > (other enigmatic answers were Pink Floyd) > > How can you explain this (true!) story? I was going to answer that you were the teacher, but then I think your pupils are a bit older. Maybe these pupils learn English by reading the tadream list? :-) Antonio Nunes np: Pink Floyd - 'In concert' for the BBC From: Chris Richards Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 9:25 pm Subject: Re: monitor mixes <<>Among the booters' most inventive tactics: using wireless radio receivers >that capture signals sent to the in-ear monitors musicians wear to hear >one another onstage. Fans can record a pristine feed of the entire show >from outside the venue.>> Except that monitor mixes are usually completely different from soundboard mixes. It was once noted that tapes made from the Grateful Dead's monitor feeds revealed that each band member had his own instrument turned up way loud in his own mix with everyone else turned way down. I think it's the guy who ran that their monitor board who said that they were very 'egocentric' with their monitor mixes. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40126 Re: monitor mixes Admin dale1kay Mon 3/31/2003 4 KB From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 10:30 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD enigma No, I'm not the teacher and, John, I haven't quadruplets. The teacher is a friend of mine and is not a TD fan. Regards, Jorge Figueiredo On 3/29/2003 8:42 PM, Antonio Nunes wrote: > > I was going to answer that you were the teacher, but then I think your > pupils are a bit older. Maybe these pupils learn English by reading the > tadream list? :-) > > Antonio Nunes From: 'vic rek' Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:21 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Subject: [tadream] Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre > Speaking of concerts........... > > Anyone thinking of going to see 'Air Sculpture' live at the National Space Centre, Leicester, UK April 5th ? They will also be at the Ricochet Gathering at the Mojave Desert, California from April 25-39th. Check out www.ricochetdream.com or you can contact me for more information, including a subscription pack. Also here is a trivia question I heard on the radio. 'What is the name of the Canadian Space Agency?' Only about 16% of Canadians got it right. Vic Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40122 Re: Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Sun 3/30/2003 2 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 5:47 am Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for March 29, 2003. [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. I played the music of vidnaObmana who will perform at the next Soundscapes Concert Series on April 19, at Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. I also played the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson who will play at the Gathering Gathering on April 12 at St. Mary's Hamilton Village in Philadelphia. I played the music od Matt Borghi and Jason Sloan who will be on the same bill as vidnaObmana at the Gate to Moonbase Alpha on April 18 at the Rotunda in Philadelphia. The Soundscapes Concert Series - http://soundscapes.us The Gatherings Concert Series - http://thegatherings.org Gate to Moonbase Alpha - http://www.foundationarts.org Show #20 March 29, 2003. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== vidnaObmana Over Blue Mountains Twilight of Perception (Projekt) Matt Borghi A Name Elegy for Time (Space for Music) Vir Unis and Metabolizing Starlight Perimeter (In the Bubble Music James Johnson Directly and Zero Music) Jason Sloan Solidification for a A Quiet Return (Grey Area Quiet Return Studio Recordings) Jurgen Haible Open Corridor Holiday in Purgatory (none) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== VA [Enrapture] Where She Ends (and I The Violet Collection: Charity Begin) Compilation (MP3.COM) Chuck Offut and Song of the Earth Balance of Nature (Equity Michael Dulin Digital) Tommy Emmanuel Those Who Wait Only (Favored Nations Acoustic) Adrian Legg Jam Tomorrow Guitar Bones (Favored Nations Acoustic) Throat Culture Easter Island Head Acappella Head (none) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Pigs and Pyramids Comfortably Numb Un Voyage En Progressif Volume 8 (Musea) Alaska Two Shades of Grey Alaska (Lifescape) Flamborough Head Nightlife One for the Crow (Cyclops) Spock's Beard Beware of Darkness Beware of Darkness (Radiant) Yes Your Is No Disgrace The Yes Album (Atlantic) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on April 12. Bill ========================================================================== ===== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us From: 'Darren Fricker' Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 6:58 am Subject: Looking for TT3, SHN trade My branch has let me down for the above [not replied to my emails at all] so I want to trade with someone for all the TT3 shows [vols 17- 26 I believe] in SHN format [ie, original SHNs, not audio copies that you've compressed yourself]. I'm in the UK and, for reasons of postage, would prefer to trade with someone in the UK or mainland Europe. Contact me offlist if you think you can help and I'll fwd you my tradelist. Cheers. Darren. From: 'omegatransfinito' Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 7:51 am Subject: Re: curious > I've found a funny web site featuring TS stuff in mp3 format : http://www.transcd.com/artist/909.html > > Antarktis is included in the best of, isn't this strange ? And there is a lot of artists in this site... Hey, it _is_ good, though not probably my pick at The Best Bootleg. They seem to be pretty well-informed anyway. Sorcerer is listed as 1975, the composing date, rather than 1977, the release date; ditto for Green Desert, The Park Is Mine and Antique Dreams -they even knew that Phaedra of Nottingham is not from 1990, but 1988! John Vertical Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40130 Release or composition dates? billythefish01 billythefish01 Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40134 Re: Release or composition dates? John Vertical omegatransfinito Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40137 Re: Release or composition dates? Mr Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40139 Re: Release or composition dates? Antonio Nunes ajogon Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB 40142 Re: Release or composition dates? dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40144 Re: Release or composition dates? Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40148 Re: Release or composition dates? Frédéric Yargui fredyargui Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB 40153 Release or composition dates? strat95@b... strat9500 Mon 3/31/2003 4 KB 40156 Re: Release or composition dates? Morgan Feldon feldon23 Tue 4/1/2003 2 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Mar 29, 2003 9:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] birthday greetings from UPI Hang on Chris Franke isn't 61!!!!! the're 10 years out on this one!!!!!! PAulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: '_ponder_' To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:23 PM Subject: [tadream] birthday greetings from UPI > http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030327-033408-3990r > > Today's musical milestones: > > > (April 4) > > Today's birthdays include Muddy Waters, whose real name was > McKinley Morganfield, who was born in 1915; Hugh Masekela in > 1939 (age 64); Major Lance in 1941 (age 62); Tangerine > Dream's Christoph Franke in 1942 (age 61); Berry Oakley of the > Allman Brothers Band was born in 1948; Gail Davies was also > born in 1948 (age 55); Steve Gatlin of the Gatlin Brothers in 1951 > (age 52); Slade guitarist Dave Hill and Peter Haycock of the > Climax Blues Band, both in 1952 (age 51); Motley Crue guitarist > Mick Mars, whose real name is Bob Deal, in 1955 (age 48); and > Deacon Blue guitarist Graeme Kelling in 1957 (age 46). > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: Björn Sip Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digest Number 1751 Maybe it´s the town or region where Salvator Dali lived years ago. I´ve read that Edgar and members of Pink Floyd lived in his community for some shorter or longer periods. And if so, the pupils still will learn about this in school. Just an idea! Björn ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Sunday, March 30, 2003 6:13 PM Subject: [tadream] Digest Number 1751 ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree ------------------------------------------------------------------------ There are 14 messages in this issue. Topics in this digest: 1. hard-edged e-music From: 'fozziebear' 2. TD enigma From: Jorge Figueiredo 3. Miracle Mile on FLIX tonight From: 'dweller_benthos' 4. Re: TD enigma From: 'John Vertical' 5. curious From: Frédéric Yargui 6. Re: (OT) Can anyone recommend Klaus Schulze's Contemporary weorks Vol 1 ??? From: René Brenner 7. Re: TD enigma From: Antonio Nunes 8. Re: monitor mixes From: Chris Richards 9. Re: TD enigma From: Jorge Figueiredo 10. Re: Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre From: 'vic rek' 11. The AM/FM Show Playlist for March 29, 2003. From: 'Bill Fox' 12. Looking for TT3, SHN trade From: 'Darren Fricker' 13. Re: curious From: 'omegatransfinito' 14. Re: birthday greetings from UPI From: 'Paul Dryden' ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 1 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:03:08 -0000 From: 'fozziebear' Subject: hard-edged e-music I would include Frank Herbert by KS David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 18:38:59 +0000 From: Jorge Figueiredo Subject: TD enigma I've this enigmatic story for you: The Place: Lousã, a small town (15000 habitants) in the centre of Portugal. The Context: an English class for 10-11 year old pupils. The Teacher asks: What are your favourite singers / bands? 4 of the 20 pupils answer: Tangerine Dream! (other enigmatic answers were Pink Floyd) How can you explain this (true!) story? I will give the correct answer in a few days... Note: there are no prizes involved. :-) Regards, Jorge Figueiredo ((> Vangelis - Blade Runner Esper Edition <)) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 14:40:59 -0000 From: 'dweller_benthos' Subject: Miracle Mile on FLIX tonight Miracle Mile will be on the cable movie channel FLIX tonight, Saturday, March 29, at 10:30 PM EST. Maybe I'll take a trip out today and see if I can pick up the soundtrack CD, don't have that one... (written 3-29-03 9:40 AM EST) ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 4 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 21:10:52 +0200 From: 'John Vertical' Subject: Re: TD enigma >4 of the 20 pupils answer: Tangerine Dream! >(other enigmatic answers were Pink Floyd) > >How can you explain this (true!) story? Do you happen to have quadruplets who you've taught to like TD? :-) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 5 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:21:06 +0100 From: Frédéric Yargui Subject: curious Hello, Dreamers, I've found a funny web site featuring TS stuff in mp3 format : http://www.transcd.com/artist/909.html Antarktis is included in the best of, isn't this strange ? And there is a lot of artists in this site... Dream On, Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 6 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:14:42 -0000 From: René Brenner Subject: Re: (OT) Can anyone recommend Klaus Schulze's Contemporary weorks Vol 1 ??? --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Richard wrote: > A quick question to those in the know: > > I have quite a few of Klaus Schulze's albums including Contemporary > Works Vol 2 which I find interesting. Can anyone recommend Vol 1 (10 > disc set) or any of the other 10 disc sets? If you like Contemporary Works Vol. 2 I can strongly recommend you Vol. 1 because it is somehow better imho especially if you like vocals and atmospheres. Regards René Brenner ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 7 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 20:42:21 +0000 From: Antonio Nunes Subject: Re: TD enigma Jorge Figueiredo wrote: > > The Context: an English class for 10-11 year old pupils. > The Teacher asks: What are your favourite singers / bands? > 4 of the 20 pupils answer: Tangerine Dream! > (other enigmatic answers were Pink Floyd) > > How can you explain this (true!) story? I was going to answer that you were the teacher, but then I think your pupils are a bit older. Maybe these pupils learn English by reading the tadream list? :-) Antonio Nunes np: Pink Floyd - 'In concert' for the BBC ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 8 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 13:25:36 -0800 (PST) From: Chris Richards Subject: Re: monitor mixes <<>Among the booters' most inventive tactics: using wireless radio receivers >that capture signals sent to the in-ear monitors musicians wear to hear >one another onstage. Fans can record a pristine feed of the entire show >from outside the venue.>> Except that monitor mixes are usually completely different from soundboard mixes. It was once noted that tapes made from the Grateful Dead's monitor feeds revealed that each band member had his own instrument turned up way loud in his own mix with everyone else turned way down. I think it's the guy who ran that their monitor board who said that they were very 'egocentric' with their monitor mixes. ===== May you never thirst! The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 9 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 22:30:03 +0000 From: Jorge Figueiredo Subject: Re: TD enigma No, I'm not the teacher and, John, I haven't quadruplets. The teacher is a friend of mine and is not a TD fan. Regards, Jorge Figueiredo On 3/29/2003 8:42 PM, Antonio Nunes wrote: > > I was going to answer that you were the teacher, but then I think your > pupils are a bit older. Maybe these pupils learn English by reading the > tadream list? :-) > > Antonio Nunes ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 10 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 23:21:50 -0500 From: 'vic rek' Subject: Re: Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre From: 'Mat Mckenzie' Subject: [tadream] Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre > Speaking of concerts........... > > Anyone thinking of going to see 'Air Sculpture' live at the National Space Centre, Leicester, UK April 5th ? They will also be at the Ricochet Gathering at the Mojave Desert, California from April 25-39th. Check out www.ricochetdream.com or you can contact me for more information, including a subscription pack. Also here is a trivia question I heard on the radio. 'What is the name of the Canadian Space Agency?' Only about 16% of Canadians got it right. Vic ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 11 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 00:47:46 -0500 From: 'Bill Fox' Subject: The AM/FM Show Playlist for March 29, 2003. [ Best viewed using a fixed spacing font. ] The Saturday AM/FM Show is hosted every other week by Bill Fox who plays electronic, ambient, spacemusic, Progressive Rock, and an eclectic mix of other genres. The show airs from 6:00 am to 8:00 am on WMUH Allentown, 91.7 FM and on the internet. Send me comments if you love or hate what I played. I also host Afterglow every Thursday from 8:00 am to 9:30 am. I played the music of vidnaObmana who will perform at the next Soundscapes Concert Series on April 19, at Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. I also played the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson who will play at the Gathering Gathering on April 12 at St. Mary's Hamilton Village in Philadelphia. I played the music od Matt Borghi and Jason Sloan who will be on the same bill as vidnaObmana at the Gate to Moonbase Alpha on April 18 at the Rotunda in Philadelphia. The Soundscapes Concert Series - http://soundscapes.us The Gatherings Concert Series - http://thegatherings.org Gate to Moonbase Alpha - http://www.foundationarts.org Show #20 March 29, 2003. PLAYLIST: Phase I/Space: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== vidnaObmana Over Blue Mountains Twilight of Perception (Projekt) Matt Borghi A Name Elegy for Time (Space for Music) Vir Unis and Metabolizing Starlight Perimeter (In the Bubble Music James Johnson Directly and Zero Music) Jason Sloan Solidification for a A Quiet Return (Grey Area Quiet Return Studio Recordings) Jurgen Haible Open Corridor Holiday in Purgatory (none) Phase II/Eclectic: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== VA [Enrapture] Where She Ends (and I The Violet Collection: Charity Begin) Compilation (MP3.COM) Chuck Offut and Song of the Earth Balance of Nature (Equity Michael Dulin Digital) Tommy Emmanuel Those Who Wait Only (Favored Nations Acoustic) Adrian Legg Jam Tomorrow Guitar Bones (Favored Nations Acoustic) Throat Culture Easter Island Head Acappella Head (none) Phase III/Progressive Rock: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== Pigs and Pyramids Comfortably Numb Un Voyage En Progressif Volume 8 (Musea) Alaska Two Shades of Grey Alaska (Lifescape) Flamborough Head Nightlife One for the Crow (Cyclops) Spock's Beard Beware of Darkness Beware of Darkness (Radiant) Yes Your Is No Disgrace The Yes Album (Atlantic) * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) I return to the AM/FM Show in two weeks on April 12. Bill ========================================================================== ===== Host of the AM/FM Show on WMUH Allentown 91.7 FM every other Saturday at 6 am. Host of Afterglow on WMUH every Thursday morning from 8:00 to 9:30. http://soundscapes.us/~bill/amfm http://soundscapes.us/~bill/afterglow Listen on-line to WMUH at http://www.muhlenberg.edu/wmuh and click REAL AUDIO Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show. Thursdays at 11 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic All times are GMT-5:00 Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN To subscribe to the EMUSIC on WDIY list, go to http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy and click on [Join This Group!] Personal site: http://soundscapes.us/~bill All times are GMT-5:00 SOUNDSCAPES Concert Series: http://soundscapes.us ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 12 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:58:21 +0100 From: 'Darren Fricker' Subject: Looking for TT3, SHN trade My branch has let me down for the above [not replied to my emails at all] so I want to trade with someone for all the TT3 shows [vols 17- 26 I believe] in SHN format [ie, original SHNs, not audio copies that you've compressed yourself]. I'm in the UK and, for reasons of postage, would prefer to trade with someone in the UK or mainland Europe. Contact me offlist if you think you can help and I'll fwd you my tradelist. Cheers. Darren. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 13 Date: Sun, 30 Mar 2003 07:51:05 -0000 From: 'omegatransfinito' Subject: Re: curious > I've found a funny web site featuring TS stuff in mp3 format : http://www.transcd.com/artist/909.html > > Antarktis is included in the best of, isn't this strange ? And there is a lot of artists in this site... Hey, it _is_ good, though not probably my pick at The Best Bootleg. They seem to be pretty well-informed anyway. Sorcerer is listed as 1975, the composing date, rather than 1977, the release date; ditto for Green Desert, The Park Is Mine and Antique Dreams -they even knew that Phaedra of Nottingham is not from 1990, but 1988! John Vertical ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Message: 14 Date: Sat, 29 Mar 2003 21:08:41 -0000 From: 'Paul Dryden' Subject: Re: birthday greetings from UPI Hang on Chris Franke isn't 61!!!!! the're 10 years out on this one!!!!!! PAulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: '_ponder_' To: Sent: Friday, March 28, 2003 3:23 PM Subject: [tadream] birthday greetings from UPI > http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030327-033408-3990r > > Today's musical milestones: > > > (April 4) > > Today's birthdays include Muddy Waters, whose real name was > McKinley Morganfield, who was born in 1915; Hugh Masekela in > 1939 (age 64); Major Lance in 1941 (age 62); Tangerine > Dream's Christoph Franke in 1942 (age 61); Berry Oakley of the > Allman Brothers Band was born in 1948; Gail Davies was also > born in 1948 (age 55); Steve Gatlin of the Gatlin Brothers in 1951 > (age 52); Slade guitarist Dave Hill and Peter Haycock of the > Climax Blues Band, both in 1952 (age 51); Motley Crue guitarist > Mick Mars, whose real name is Bob Deal, in 1955 (age 48); and > Deacon Blue guitarist Graeme Kelling in 1957 (age 46). > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: shez@a... Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 4:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE > >to try and get this thread on topic, wouldn't it be cool if TD could >do some DM covers as encores for their shows? I don't see why TD would have to pay tribute to a band which started nearly 16 years after them. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40180 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE gyedid01 gyedid01 Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40181 Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE gyedid01 gyedid01 Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB From: 'kayleighsdaddy' Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 6:55 pm Subject: Boot collection Hey all, THANKS for the overwhelming response to the Tangerine Dream boot collection. I have TT 1, TT 2 and am working on getting TT 3 (thank God for broadband connection)(GRIN), and have about 40 of so boots in my collection. How long have I been a fan? About 8 years or so, and the ONLY opportunity I had to see TD live was when they cancelled their tour due to the 9-11 fiasco here. Sadly enough, I have never seen them live (and would dearly love to). I've given serious consideration to traveling overseas to see them, TRYING to link it about the same time Fish and Marillion are touring around the same approximate time, figure if I COULD make it and see all three bands at different times on a vacation, makes it worth it :) I can't afford to do THREE vacations like that (GRIN), so why not try to hit it all at once. But so far, no live shows from TD (SIGH) in concert, just fortunate to have obtained a boot collection that keeps growing. thanks for the responses! dan The Rugrats Romper Room!!! http://www.iloverugrats.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad) / Yahoo (kayleighsdaddy) MSN Messenger (kayleighsdad@h...) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLuRP_Trading [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 8:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre >They will also be at the Ricochet Gathering at the Mojave Desert, California >from April 25-39th. 25-39th ? wow, two weeks. that will be one long gathering ;o) ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 3:45 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Bootleggers, roll your DATs! I am not sure I would want some of that monitor back. Most bands I do sound for have me run special monitors back to them, like the guitar player might request me to provide a monitor just for him, the drummer a keyboard tone down mix, the singer a no drum mix and so forth. Hey now that was just for reference and not a band by band mix either. I have had all kinds. What I pointing out is that mix isn't always the whole thing. Wireless or not. I even had some bands stand in front of the mains and play. They wanted to get the feel... Dale Dale Kay Administrator Kay-Net.com Bus 661.723.0266 admin@k... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 12:28 AM Subject: [tadream] Bootleggers, roll your DATs! > I thought the timing appropriate... > http://www.wired.com/wired/archive/11.04/play.html?pg=4 > > > >Fans have traded live bootlegs for decades ('Got that 'Dark Star' from > >Cleveland '73?'). But the tech - gadgets like laptop recorders, portable > >DAT players, and pen-sized microphones, as well as distribution methods > >like SHNapster and FTP servers - keeps getting better....'It becomes, 'How > >much time do I have in the day to burn it?'' says John Bartol, a > >35-year-old IT consultant from Alexandria, Virginia, who has been taping > >and trading concerts since 1984. 'There's always more to grab.' > > > >Among the booters' most inventive tactics: using wireless radio receivers > >that capture signals sent to the in-ear monitors musicians wear to hear > >one another onstage. Fans can record a pristine feed of the entire show > >from outside the venue. > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 3:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Suspicious auction on Ebay 'Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition', except me. ;-) dale Dale Kay Administrator Kay-Net.com Bus 661.723.0266 admin@k... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Klaus Beschorner' To: 'tadream list (mod)' Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:42 AM Subject: [tadream] Suspicious auction on Ebay > Hi all, > > I won't quote anybody on the negative side of my remarks, because > I will use irony and exaggeration to make my point as clear as > possible: > > I am appalled at how easily people turn into inquisitors, > Blockwart, Stasi-Spitzel (you name your branch of local denounciator) > just because it's 'for a good cause'. > > Irony and exaggeration end here. > > A fair and balanced reaction, in my opinion, would be to ask > the seller a question. Then report the auction here on this > list if it's clearly Tangerine Tree (TT) material and he > won't pull it back himself, or you don't get a > satisfactory answer. > > Then leave it to TDI, as the copyright owner (or believable > imposter for some older material ;-), to have ebay cancel > the auction. > > Do not report the auction to ebay right away, they will usually > not do any background checks. They'll just cancel the auction to > cover their own derrieres. Unless the seller is a real pro, > that is, a power seller, a good ebay customer. In this case, > they'll ignore any pleads until the real copyright owner > speaks up. > > Do not accuse people of willful wrongdoings out of the blue. > Someone might just be selling off the collection of his > deceased cousin and never have read the 'never sell, only trade'. > That would hardly make him the scum of the earth in my value system. > Give people a chance to explain themselves before public > denounciation and being 'burnt at the stake'. > > If the price for TDI's toleration of the TT is that we > help to keep up the 'never sell, only trade', then this is > as much 'policing' as I would be willing to. > > Nobody has ever asked us to interfere with non-TT material, > so please let's keep it this way! > > klaus > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 3:50 am Subject: Re: [tadream] D:Studio [Rockoon] Do drop me a note when this happens, I will check my copy too then. ;-) dale Dale Kay Administrator Kay-Net.com Bus 661.723.0266 admin@k... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Gustavo Jobim' To: Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 6:32 AM Subject: [tadream] D:Studio [Rockoon] I had the luck to find Rockoon, which I had never heard before at all, for a very nice price. of course, I bought it. at first listen, my opinion about the music is, usually, yawwwwn. (what a difference from 220 volt) but who knows, with time and other chances. gj np sigur rós ( ) ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Admin' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 3:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: monitor mixes See there you are. If I did not have 300 + emails I might have just waited to respond earlier. But what is here is so true. Each band I ever had to run sound for has had different requirements for the mix and I do not think I would want that as a boot unless you just like that one certain person. Brings to mind a boot I hear of Wings, Linda McCarthy was the vocalist that was head the most on it. If anyone else ever heard this one, you know the rest of the story. ;-) Dale Kay Administrator Kay-Net.com Bus 661.723.0266 admin@k... ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Chris Richards' To: Sent: Saturday, March 29, 2003 1:25 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: monitor mixes > <<>Among the booters' most inventive tactics: > using > wireless radio receivers > >that capture signals sent to the in-ear monitors > > musicians wear to hear > >one another onstage. Fans can record a pristine > feed of the entire show > >from outside the venue.>> > > Except that monitor mixes are usually completely > different from soundboard mixes. It was once > noted that tapes made from the Grateful Dead's > monitor feeds revealed that each band member had > his own instrument turned up way loud in his own > mix with everyone else turned way down. I think > it's the guy who ran that their monitor board who > said that they were very 'egocentric' with their > monitor mixes. > > > ===== > May you never thirst! > The Scuba Diver Presently Known As Chris > > 'What do you get when you give a yo-yo to a flock of flamingos?'-James Earl Jones > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! > http://platinum.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Harry Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 11:36 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Columbia Tribute CD Your post was the most moving story I've seen on the board. Ever! Thanks for sharing. Harry Btw my wife and I have an Ian--he turned 18 today. :-) From: 'markwbaumann' Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 8:10 pm Subject: New To TT Hello, I'm fairly new to this group and to the Tangerine Tree, although I've participated in trees of other music. I'm curious if anyone knows of any FTP sites where I might be able to d/l some of the SHN files for the earlier TT releases. Please respond off line if you have any ideas. Thanks for your help. Mark From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Sun Mar 30, 2003 6:17 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Suspicious auction on Ebay At 15:53 28.03.03, you wrote: >If someone has instructions or a URL handy on how to report this sort of >violation to eBay, please post it on this list for everyone to see. If you >find stuff like this, please report it here so that multiple people will be >jumping on eBay. > >If eBay's policies do not forbid CDRs or piracy, what would be the way to >handle it? > > > >Thanks, >Joe > Hi all, e-Bay prohibits the sale of any kind of material that implies a copyright violation or that has not been cleared for sale. This would include: - bootlegs - any kind of CD-R - MP3-files of any sort and also: - promotional items that are clearly marked as such. While we try to kick out boots, CD-R´s and anything involving TD-MP3´s, we usually 'look the other way' on promos. I have been so busy the past few weeks, though, that I did not have any time to monitor the e-bay activities. To report a violation, send an e-mail to vero@e... (for e-Bay Germany: veri@e...) stating item, item no., seller and type of violation. Any assistance in monitoring this is, of course, highly appreciated and I would like to take this opportunity to thank you all so much for taking this so seriously. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'billythefish01' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 10:16 am Subject: Release or composition dates? This reminded me of an ever present problem I have: how to file my collection? What do others do? At present, I tend to file mostly in composition date order as it is nice to dip 'into an era' of sound without having to search too hard. This can be confusing though though with re-releases and items such as Sohaman Live, not to mention previous releases such as The Park is Mine, released 10 years after composition. In the early days, I filed everything in order of purchase. This worked well for a while as it was like a form of Journal - I could go to a particular era and it would bring back memories of when I had first heard it. That idea had to vanish as the collection grew. I suppose if it was all on my PC I could choose any number of ways of filing it! TTFN, BTF > They seem to be pretty well-informed anyway. Sorcerer is listed > as 1975, the composing date, rather than 1977, the release > date; ditto for Green Desert, The Park Is Mine and Antique > Dreams -they even knew that Phaedra of Nottingham is not from > 1990, but 1988! > > John Vertical Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40134 Re: Release or composition dates? John Vertical omegatransfinito Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40137 Re: Release or composition dates? Mr Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40139 Re: Release or composition dates? Antonio Nunes ajogon Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB 40142 Re: Release or composition dates? dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40144 Re: Release or composition dates? Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40148 Re: Release or composition dates? Frédéric Yargui fredyargui Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB 40153 Release or composition dates? strat95@b... strat9500 Mon 3/31/2003 4 KB 40156 Re: Release or composition dates? Morgan Feldon feldon23 Tue 4/1/2003 2 KB From: 'ravnnet' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 10:35 am Subject: A nice TD poster Check http://www.silksatinweb.com/sales/tangerinedreamprints.html ;-) Peter Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40138 Re: A nice TD poster Armin Theissen armin_theissen Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 11:25 am Subject: Rockoon & the Toothache Pain Lots of pain.. It's terribly hard to sleep with a mouth of pain shooting from a tooth gone awry. For some reason.. probably unknown, I decided to play Rockoon as I lay in bed thinking about pain. Rockoon was an interesting selection as it initially allowed me to think about pain not as pain, but as signals - or say triggers. Rockoon is full of twangs and clicks which had a sudden unforeseen relationship to pulsing pain. My pain was playing Rockoon.. it triggered the twangs and clicks. Pain became no pain.. I escaped into some sort of state whereby I was interacting with the performance of music. Then I fell asleep almost entranced by the experience. Rockoon is the choice of toothache sufferers the world over. It serves a purpose after all! Greg H. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40133 Re: Rockoon & the Toothache John Vertical omegatransfinito Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB 40135 Re: Rockoon & the Toothache Greg expressionistix Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB 40140 Re: Rockoon & the Toothache quarlie@a... Quarlie Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB 40145 Re: Rockoon & the Toothache Kevin in61761 Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB 40147 Re: Rockoon & the Toothache Frédéric Yargui fredyargui Mon 3/31/2003 4 KB 40157 Re: Rockoon & the Toothache John Vertical omegatransfinito Tue 4/1/2003 4 KB 40159 Re: Rockoon & the Toothache Armin Theissen armin_theissen Tue 4/1/2003 4 KB 40194 Re: Rockoon & the Toothache Frédéric Yargui fredyargui Thu 4/3/2003 3 KB 40195 Re: Rockoon & the Toothache Frédéric Yargui fredyargui Thu 4/3/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 11:30 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache >Rockoon is the choice of toothache sufferers the world over. > >It serves a purpose after all! > >Greg H. Hmm. Interesting, very interesting... Could we also attempt to use Zeit for insomnia? :-D John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 11:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Release or composition dates? >What do others do? At present, I tend to file mostly in composition >date order as it is nice to dip 'into an era' of sound without >having to search too hard. This can be confusing though though with >re-releases and items such as Sohaman Live, not to mention previous >releases such as The Park is Mine, released 10 years after >composition. > >In the early days, I filed everything in order of purchase. This >worked well for a while as it was like a form of Journal - I could >go to a particular era and it would bring back memories of when I >had first heard it. > >That idea had to vanish as the collection grew. I suppose if it was >all on my PC I could choose any number of ways of filing it! > >TTFN, > >BTF I currently have mine filed by catalog number. All my Virgin records are in one row, then all my TDI records, TT is sitting on a shelf of its own, other CDRs have their one bunch etc. The relative order of these bunches is somewhat random, though. I do keep a journal of what have I acquired and when - last year I got 61 TD disks. Not too much, but well enough. John Vertical np: Through Metamorphic Rocks - been a while since I last played this. _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Greg' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 11:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache > >Rockoon is the choice of toothache sufferers the world over. > > > >It serves a purpose after all! > > > >Greg H. > > > Hmm. Interesting, very interesting... > > Could we also attempt to use Zeit for insomnia? :-D > > John Vertical > > Rubycon Pt. 1 is great for creating insomnia! It is pure torture music for when I just want to relax. Ricochet also has a knack for relaxing me then making be jump up screaming and trying to turn it down. Tangerine dreams are not full of lollipops and multi-colored mushrooms no matter what anyone says. NP: Nuspirit Helsinki - Seis Por Ocho Greg H. From: 'John Vertical' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 11:48 am Subject: Seasonal samplers Hello people, I'm compiling 'The Five Seasons' TD samplers - yes, that's 'five', not 'four'. I'm splicing summer and autumn onto 3 disks, sort of Green, Yellow and Brown; - but at the moment I have a problem. I can't think of enough things to put on the Spring disk. So far I have: Marakesh Cherokee Lane Silver Scale and nothing else. The first summer disk is also acting up. The list is 87 minutes by now, but I'm not sure what should I discard: Beach Theme Logos, 'Velvet Part' (unremixed) Song Of The Whale Part 2 Sad Merlin's Sunday Paradise Cove Summer Storm Poland, first half; crossfading into --> Mothers of Rain Sailing Mission San Buena Ventura (ie. the last section of Livemiles: Albuquerque Concert) Caspian Sea (the first section of Livemiles: West Berlin Concert) Heritage Survival and finally, Flashflood. So what doesn't belong in? (In case someone is interested, I can also list the 3 finished disks.) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40183 Re: Seasonal samplers Owens, James yxalag2 Wed 4/2/2003 3 KB 40188 Re: Seasonal samplers John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 4/3/2003 2 KB From: Mr Paul Dryden Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 12:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Release or composition dates? > Hi guys, what is THe Park is mine? and Phaedra of Notingham? Paulus.d This reminded me of an ever present problem I have: how to file my > collection? > > What do others do? At present, I tend to file mostly in composition > date order as it is nice to dip 'into an era' of sound without > having to search too hard. This can be confusing though though with > re-releases and items such as Sohaman Live, not to mention previous > releases such as The Park is Mine, released 10 years after > composition. > > In the early days, I filed everything in order of purchase. This > worked well for a while as it was like a form of Journal - I could > go to a particular era and it would bring back memories of when I > had first heard it. > > That idea had to vanish as the collection grew. I suppose if it was > all on my PC I could choose any number of ways of filing it! > > TTFN, > > BTF > > > > They seem to be pretty well-informed anyway. Sorcerer is listed > > as 1975, the composing date, rather than 1977, the release > > date; ditto for Green Desert, The Park Is Mine and Antique > > Dreams -they even knew that Phaedra of Nottingham is not from > > 1990, but 1988! > > > > John Vertical > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/ terms/ > > > -- From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 12:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] A nice TD poster hey, due to the name of the website I suppose that this could be an image you don't want to appear on your screen while you're at work? I quit my job anyway in 6 weeks, but I don't want to get fired beforehand... a. ravnnet wrote: > Check http://www.silksatinweb.com/sales/tangerinedreamprints.html > ;-) > Peter > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Release or composition dates? Mr Paul Dryden wrote: > > Hi guys, what is THe Park is mine? and Phaedra of Notingham? 'The Park is mine' is a soundtrack. 'Phaedra of Nottingham' is a live version of Phaedra included in the album 'Antique Dreams'. Antonio Nunes np: Can Atilla - Live From: quarlie@a... Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 3:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache 'Greg' wrote: >Rubycon Pt. 1 is great for creating insomnia! It is pure torture music for >when I just want to relax. It's funny how different people react differently to music. Rubycon is definitely intense, but I nonetheless find it easy to drift off and relax to it. --Daniel NP: Gamma Ray - No World Order Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40145 Re: Rockoon & the Toothache Kevin in61761 Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 3:15 pm Subject: Re: classic tree hmmmm.... Classic Tree huh? Not to sound like a broken record, but is this available somehow, somewhere? From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 2:43 pm Subject: Re: Release or composition dates? --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'billythefish01' wrote: > That idea had to vanish as the collection grew. I suppose if it was > all on my PC I could choose any number of ways of filing it! > > TTFN, > > BTF I use a program called Music Collector from Collectorz.com, you put the CD in your CD ROM drive, it scans it and contacts Gracenote CDDB to find out if it's listed there, and then fills in all the info it finds on it. You can then customize other info and categorize a zillion ways from Sunday. Neat prog and not too expensive. Some of the bootlegs are listed on CDDB, some not. You also run into the problem that anyone can upload to CDDB and you get all sorts of errors, from typos to wrong track names and release dates. I think when the next Tree is released, if there is going to be one, there should be one person who uploads the info to CDDB (and other cataloging sites) so that results are consistent and in a format agreed upon by those involved. Just a thought. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40144 Re: Release or composition dates? Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Mon 3/31/2003 3 KB From: 'Sean Montgomery' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Release or composition dates? I feel your pain on this one. I've been ripping my entire TD collection to MP3 files over the past few months, and have been filing everything into folders organized by year. The policy I've been keeping is to file by composition date, unless the piece was overdubbed or changed in some fashion, in which case it goes into the folder for the year in which those changes took place. So Deadly Care - which was not overdubbed for release - gets filed under 1987 (even though it didn't get released until 1992), while TDI's version of the Keep goes in 1997, because the original material was overhauled by the band in that year. This way, it's easier to follow the band's stylistic, personnel, and equipment changes over the years. The only grey area are the bonus tracks from 'The Melrose Years', and Dream Roots. Even though we know when they were originally composed, I go on the assumption that they were tweaked for release...so they got filed by release date. I've been relying on http://www.voices-in-the-net.de and http://www.algonet.se/~jonwar/td.html to help me with dating things. From: Kevin Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 4:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache I have to agree about how people respond differently to the same TD pieces. Last night, about 12 ( U.S. Central Standard Time), I WAS listening to Rubycon Part 1 to get to sleep.......it worked too! What an amazing album...... By the way, this is my first submission. I am new to the mailing list. I love it! Kevin quarlie@a... wrote:'Greg' wrote: >Rubycon Pt. 1 is great for creating insomnia! It is pure torture music for >when I just want to relax. It's funny how different people react differently to music. Rubycon is definitely intense, but I nonetheless find it easy to drift off and relax to it. --Daniel NP: Gamma Ray - No World Order ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 5:40 pm Subject: Release or composition date? Billythefish said This reminded me of an ever present problem I have: how to file my collection? I gave up on this one some time ago. Mine are spread over the house near CD players, near computers, at work, in different cities, in my friend's players, except one. His place is like the Bermuda Triangle, so nothing goes there! And if a certain person who shall remain nameless owned Concorde she would lose it in the wardrobe! David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 6:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache Hello Dreamers, It's very interesting such a topic, since I believe in one hand every people is different and on the other hand disease is created by mind. So controling our mind may lead us to control our health. I study how, by its representation in mind (someones say 'visualisation' but the brain does not only functiun with visual parts) one can control his / her inner parts of the body. Pain control is an application. Harmony or distress can be other ones. Especially getting in trance with tools like EM I find interesting and there are some pieces I played and recorded myself I personnally use to get in some kind of trance which helps me then to get in some particular... state of mind. I think sequencers create some kinds of trance. Klaus Schulze and Steve Roach I find too much repetitve and for me this has the strange effet of getting me *out* of the trance. TD on the contrary has the good level (to me I repeat ;o) I'm looking forward reading more about this (on or off list if you find this too much irrationnal or never experimented such a thing). Best Regards, Fred np : silence ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Kevin' To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache > > I have to agree about how people respond differently to the same TD pieces. Last night, about 12 ( U.S. Central Standard Time), I WAS listening to Rubycon Part 1 to get to sleep.......it worked too! What an amazing album...... > By the way, this is my first submission. I am new to the mailing list. I love it! > Kevin > quarlie@a... wrote:'Greg' wrote: > > >Rubycon Pt. 1 is great for creating insomnia! It is pure torture music for > >when I just want to relax. > > It's funny how different people react differently to music. Rubycon is definitely intense, but I nonetheless find it easy to drift off and relax to it. > > --Daniel > NP: Gamma Ray - No World Order >> From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Release or composition dates? > I've been relying on http://www.voices-in-the-net.de and > http://www.algonet.se/~jonwar/td.html to help me with dating things. > > I think it would be nice to complete the listing of the other site you mention, I find it more practical than the presentation of the composotions in voices in the net... Any volunteer to share the work ? Best Regards, Fred From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:20 pm Subject: bootleg in-ear monitors.... > >Among the booters' most inventive tactics: using wireless radio receivers > >that capture signals sent to the in-ear monitors musicians wear to hear > >one another onstage. Fans can record a pristine feed of the entire show > >from outside the venue. a lot of bands have various radio frequencies that they use for whatever. and the dead's sound guy--healey used to broadcast some shows. if you were savvy you could set your radio to it and tape the show that way, but hey--there's plenty to be said for shows that include audience reaction, too--not just sterile soundboards that may not be mixed well for release....but anyway, I think we covered this thread several months ago. --T _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:26 pm Subject: (dis)organizing music lessee, at this point my collection works like this--if the artist starts with A it goes in A, B in B, C in C and so on. It doesn't get anymore organized than that anymore. Actually, I have the alphabet split somewhat between units so some A is at the top or one shelf unit and some at the top of the other. Except I've run out of space again ;) Way beyond time to get another unit--and some more wall space.... _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40158 Re: (dis)organizing music Armin Theissen armin_theissen Tue 4/1/2003 4 KB From: Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:56 pm Subject: Cut and Paste Cut and Paste, People; Cut and Paste!! As much as I love each and every one of you, and this list as a whole, I would prefer not to have to read entire digests twice. ;-) Tanx In God's Love Neal 'You can't take it with you - but you CAN send it on ahead - Give.' Pastor Tom Mullins Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40152 Re: Cut and Paste Administrator dale1kay Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 8:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Cut and Paste How about copy and paste? Cut is so destructive. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: [tadream] Cut and Paste > Cut and Paste, People; Cut and Paste!! As much as I love each and every one > of you, and this list as a whole, I would prefer not to have to read entire > digests twice. > > ;-) > > Tanx > In God's Love > Neal > > > 'You can't take it with you - > but you CAN send it on ahead - Give.' > Pastor Tom Mullins From: Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 8:24 pm Subject: Release or composition dates? Just my $0.02 worth, but my ENTIRE music collection is alphabetical. Then, within each alphabetical artists listing, it is in order of composition date.....sort of. This is easy with most artists. I have a lot of b**tlegs in my collection, so it is easy to do by concert date. But with TD, this is a little more complicated. Most things are catalogued by composition dates. All of the Keep CD I have are dated in the 1982 area. Whether original boots from members of the list, or 'Tangetized' official releases by the Dream. Official compilations are by release date. Duncan's compilations are by the date of the most recent song represented. All of the TDI releases are in order of release (which in most cases is also catalogue numerical order). The REAL Sohomom boot comes after the TDI Sohomon release. The different Klangart boots come after Mars Polaris for obvious reasons. Shepherds Bush Empire comes after DMIII. The Inferno concert boot comes after the TDI Inferno release. Hope all this helps. It works for me.....mostly. Neal ************************************************ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:37:33 -0000 From: 'Sean Montgomery' Subject: Re: Release or composition dates? I feel your pain on this one. I've been ripping my entire TD collection to MP3 files over the past few months, and have been filing everything into folders organized by year. The policy I've been keeping is to file by composition date, unless the piece was overdubbed or changed in some fashion, in which case it goes into the folder for the year in which those changes took place. So Deadly Care - which was not overdubbed for release - gets filed under 1987 (even though it didn't get released until 1992), while TDI's version of the Keep goes in 1997, because the original material was overhauled by the band in that year. This way, it's easier to follow the band's stylistic, personnel, and equipment changes over the years. I've been relying on http://www.voices-in-the-net.com and http://www.algonet.se/~jonwar/td.html to help me with dating things. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 9:27 pm Subject: TD enigma solution The explanation for the story is very simple. That's why I had to try some suspense. ;-) Björn, you weren't very far from the solution, except in geographic terms: Dali lived in Spain, not Portugal. But it has to do with a community. There is, since the late 70s, a large hippie community living in 2 or 3 small villages in the surrounding mountainous area of Lousã, formed mainly by Dutch and German. They are by now completely integrated in the town's everyday life and the hippie second generation has reached the public schools. That class in particular has some of these students. Their musical preferences seem to be determined by what they listen at home, hence the peculiar tastes (most of them confess to hate pop music flavour-of-the-month). I'm sure that their favourite TD period would be the Virgin Years. ;-) This story has a particular importance for me. I knew of other portuguese TD fans, but António Nunes is a bit far away (1200 Kms). Now there is a bunch of them 25 kms away from me. :-) Regards, Jorge Figueiredo (( TD - Astoria Theatre, London, February 15th, 2003 <)) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40166 Re: TD enigma solution VicRek kyivmission Tue 4/1/2003 2 KB 40174 Re: TD enigma solution John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40177 Re: TD enigma solution quarlie@a... Quarlie Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40178 Re: TD enigma solution Antonio Nunes ajogon Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40179 Re: TD enigma solution VicRek kyivmission Wed 4/2/2003 3 KB 40186 Re: TD enigma solution Philippe Gibone pgibone Thu 4/3/2003 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 12:01 am Subject: re: the real ruling the waves wasn't it a week or two ago now that the 'real' ruling the waves was gonna be posted in mp3 format on the .org site? --T _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40162 Re: the real ruling the waves Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Tue 4/1/2003 2 KB 40176 Re: the real ruling the waves Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40163 Re: the real ruling the waves Administrator dale1kay Tue 4/1/2003 3 KB 40187 Re: the real ruling the waves John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 4/3/2003 3 KB 40190 Re: the real ruling the waves bduke252003 bduke252003 Thu 4/3/2003 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 2:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Release or composition dates? >Hi guys, what is THe Park is mine? and Phaedra of Notingham? >Paulus.d The Park is Mine is a TD soundtrack to a film with Tommy Lee Jones. Phaedra of Nottingham is a brief remixed segment of Phaedra, as played at most of the 1988-2001 TD concerts. The particular version in question on Antique Dreams is from 1988 and bizarrely includes several seconds Livemiles Albq. part, movement 2. -Morgan From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 7:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache >It's very interesting such a topic, since I believe in one hand every >people >is different and on the other hand disease is created by mind. So >controling >our mind may lead us to control our health. I study how, by its >representation in mind (someones say 'visualisation' but the brain does not >only functiun with visual parts) one can control his / her inner parts of >the body. Pain control is an application. Harmony or distress can be other >ones. It is a known fact that your thoughts can affect your healing, even greatly (take the placebo effect for example), but diseases are not *created* by the mind. You cannot get malaria without a malaria infection, or a heart attack without any problems in the blood circulation... aluckily. Of course, there're the psychosomatic symptoms, too, but they're not that common. >Especially getting in trance with tools like EM I find interesting and >there are some pieces I played and recorded myself I personnally use to get >in some kind of trance which helps me then to get in some particular... >state of mind. I think sequencers create some kinds of trance. Klaus >Schulze >and Steve Roach I find too much repetitve and for me this has the strange >effet of getting me *out* of the trance. TD on the contrary has the good >level (to me I repeat ;o) > >I'm looking forward reading more about this (on or off list if you find >this >too much irrationnal or never experimented such a thing). > >Best Regards, > >Fred > >np : silence BTW, the so-called 'trance' or 'hypnose' state is not a non-conscious state, even though some think othervise. It's actually just a feeling, if a rather strange one though. There has been no evidence of brainwaves becoming different, as it does in sleep. -To keep this even barely on topic: I once played Michael Hoening's Departure From The Nothern Wasteland to my father... he said it resembles some sort of an artistic transcription of brainwaves. John Vertical np: the hum of the two dozen computers in our computer lab _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 9:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] (dis)organizing music I also stick to the alphabet, but make a difference between stuff you have to go to a so-called 'classic' section to and the rest. The reason for that is that 'classical' music is usually performed by musician(s) which are not the composer(s), and of course has usually different interpreters. Everything else is usually tightly bound to the composer, otherwise its a 'cover' version and something completely different. a. tei waz wrote: > lessee, at this point my collection works like this--if the artist starts > with A it goes in A, B in B, C in C and so on. It doesn't get anymore > organized than that anymore. Actually, I have the alphabet split somewhat > between units so some A is at the top or one shelf unit and some at the top > of the other. Except I've run out of space again ;) > Way beyond time to get another unit--and some more wall space.... > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 9:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache This can also depend on something you happened to do or experience while listening to a track. One hot sunny day I overtook a very shiny chrome truck on a long straight road somewhere between Madrid and Zaragoza, and had Dr. Destructo in the car stereo. Since then, I am in danger of a speed frenzy with this track... ;-) a. Kevin wrote: > I have to agree about how people respond differently to the same TD > pieces. Last night, about 12 ( U.S. Central Standard Time), I WAS > listening to Rubycon Part 1 to get to sleep.......it worked too! > What an amazing album...... By the way, this is my first > submission. I am new to the mailing list. I love it! Kevin quarlie@a... > wrote:'Greg' wrote: > > >> Rubycon Pt. 1 is great for creating insomnia! It is pure torture >> music for when I just want to relax. >> > > It's funny how different people react differently to music. Rubycon > is definitely intense, but I nonetheless find it easy to drift off > and relax to it. > > --Daniel NP: Gamma Ray - No World Order > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To > unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 12:42 pm Subject: vidnaObmana at the Soundscapes Concert Series The Soundscapes Concert Series proudly presents vidnaObmana in an all ages concert of space music at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island 56 River Street West Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Saturday, April 19, 2003 Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:30 pm FREE Buffet Dinner by Chef Jeff Tickets: $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Soundscapes #4 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music. For the fourth installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series, vidnaObmana will perform a unique concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem on the north bank of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse is a perfect venue for a concert of spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free buffet dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Advance tickets are be available at: Compact Disc Center Speedy's Record Shop 1365 Easton Ave. 1001 Union Blvd. Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Allentown, Pennsylvania 610-868-3070 610-432-8386 and on-line at: http://electro-music.com NOTE: Tickets purchased at the door will be discounted by $3 for those who show their WDIY or WMUH membersip cards or their full time student ID. INFORMATION: http://soundscapes.us CONTACT: Bill Fox billfox@f... 610-746-9615 VIDNAOBMANA: Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one of spacemusic's brightest stars. Using synthesizers, audio processors, and a vast array of exotic instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana creates a complex, layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and sonic atmospheres. The name vidnaObmana means 'optical illusion' in Servo-Croation, a term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during his childhood. He chose this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate how his music correlates sonically with the surreal soundscapes he creates. vidnaObmana is a prolific composer whose diverse body of work ranges from post-industrial through gently atmospheric, to tribal ambient and more. His music slowly shifts through electronic audio imagery, creating extremely personal works of atmospheric delight. Throughout his career, vidnaObmana has explored the abrasive side of electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, international music traditions, and post-classical experimentations. His music has been released widely by many independent labels worldwide, including: Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt and others. A significant portion of vidnaObmana's work has been realized in collaboration with some of the world's most interesting musicians such as Alio Die, Jeff Pearce, Steve Roach, Djen Ajakan Shean, Asmus Tietchens, and Brannan Lane. FLIER: A concert flier is available for download at http://soundscapes.us/concert flier.pdf You are encouraged to take an active role in the health of the electronic music scene by printing, displaying, and distributing this flier. Forwarding of this email message helps, too! ROBERT RICH: Robert Rich will come to the Soundscapes Concert Series on Saturday, July 12, 2003. Tickets will be $20 at the door and $17 in advance (on sale starting April 20). Tickets for the July 12 Robert Rich concert which are purchased at the April 19 Soundscapes are $15 only for vidnaObmana ticket-holders. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre Reply to Vic's post: > > Anyone thinking of going to see 'Air Sculpture' live at the National >Space >Centre, Leicester, UK April 5th ? > >They will also be at the Ricochet Gathering at the Mojave Desert, >California >from April 25-39th. Said dates prove the very ethereal nature of this concert. ;) >Also here is a trivia question I heard on the radio. 'What is the name of >the Canadian Space Agency?' Non-existent? 8-Dell >Only about 16% of Canadians got it right. > >Vic _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Sean Montgomery' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 5:51 pm Subject: Re: the real ruling the waves --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'tei waz' wrote: > > wasn't it a week or two ago now that the 'real' ruling the waves was gonna > be posted in mp3 format on the .org site? Yes...but the original promise was to have it up 'in some days time', and that was as of December 9th. So I wouldn't hold my breath. Some technical problems still in the way, perhaps? -Sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40176 Re: the real ruling the waves Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: the real ruling the waves Perhaps it is still busy 'Ruling The Waves '? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Sean Montgomery' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:51 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: the real ruling the waves > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'tei waz' wrote: > > > > wasn't it a week or two ago now that the 'real' ruling the waves was > gonna > > be posted in mp3 format on the .org site? > > > Yes...but the original promise was to have it up 'in some days time', > and that was as of December 9th. So I wouldn't hold my breath. Some > technical problems still in the way, perhaps? > > -Sean > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Sean Montgomery' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 4:44 pm Subject: Re: Release or composition dates? I feel your pain on this one. I've been ripping my entire TD collection to MP3 files over the past few months, and have been filing everything into folders organized by year. The policy I've been keeping is to file by composition date, unless the piece was overdubbed or changed in some fashion, in which case it goes into the folder for the year in which those changes took place. So Deadly Care - which was not overdubbed for release - gets filed under 1987 (even though it didn't get released until 1992), while TDI's version of the Keep goes in 1997, because the original material was overhauled by the band in that year. This way, it's easier to follow the band's stylistic, personnel, and equipment changes over the years. The only grey area are the bonus tracks from 'The Melrose Years', and Dream Roots. Even though we know when they were originally composed, I go on the assumption that they were tweaked for release...so they got filed by release date. I've been relying on http://www.voices-in-the-net.de and http://www.algonet.se/~jonwar/td.html to help me with dating things. From: Kevin Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 4:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache I have to agree about how people respond differently to the same TD pieces. Last night, about 12 ( U.S. Central Standard Time), I WAS listening to Rubycon Part 1 to get to sleep.......it worked too! What an amazing album...... By the way, this is my first submission. I am new to the mailing list. I love it! Kevin quarlie@a... wrote:'Greg' wrote: >Rubycon Pt. 1 is great for creating insomnia! It is pure torture music for >when I just want to relax. It's funny how different people react differently to music. Rubycon is definitely intense, but I nonetheless find it easy to drift off and relax to it. --Daniel NP: Gamma Ray - No World Order ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'fozziebear' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 5:40 pm Subject: Release or composition date? Billythefish said This reminded me of an ever present problem I have: how to file my collection? I gave up on this one some time ago. Mine are spread over the house near CD players, near computers, at work, in different cities, in my friend's players, except one. His place is like the Bermuda Triangle, so nothing goes there! And if a certain person who shall remain nameless owned Concorde she would lose it in the wardrobe! David [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 6:07 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache Hello Dreamers, It's very interesting such a topic, since I believe in one hand every people is different and on the other hand disease is created by mind. So controling our mind may lead us to control our health. I study how, by its representation in mind (someones say 'visualisation' but the brain does not only functiun with visual parts) one can control his / her inner parts of the body. Pain control is an application. Harmony or distress can be other ones. Especially getting in trance with tools like EM I find interesting and there are some pieces I played and recorded myself I personnally use to get in some kind of trance which helps me then to get in some particular... state of mind. I think sequencers create some kinds of trance. Klaus Schulze and Steve Roach I find too much repetitve and for me this has the strange effet of getting me *out* of the trance. TD on the contrary has the good level (to me I repeat ;o) I'm looking forward reading more about this (on or off list if you find this too much irrationnal or never experimented such a thing). Best Regards, Fred np : silence ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Kevin' To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:50 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache > > I have to agree about how people respond differently to the same TD pieces. Last night, about 12 ( U.S. Central Standard Time), I WAS listening to Rubycon Part 1 to get to sleep.......it worked too! What an amazing album...... > By the way, this is my first submission. I am new to the mailing list. I love it! > Kevin > quarlie@a... wrote:'Greg' wrote: > > >Rubycon Pt. 1 is great for creating insomnia! It is pure torture music for > >when I just want to relax. > > It's funny how different people react differently to music. Rubycon is definitely intense, but I nonetheless find it easy to drift off and relax to it. > > --Daniel > NP: Gamma Ray - No World Order >> From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 6:18 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Release or composition dates? > I've been relying on http://www.voices-in-the-net.de and > http://www.algonet.se/~jonwar/td.html to help me with dating things. > > I think it would be nice to complete the listing of the other site you mention, I find it more practical than the presentation of the composotions in voices in the net... Any volunteer to share the work ? Best Regards, Fred From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:20 pm Subject: bootleg in-ear monitors.... > >Among the booters' most inventive tactics: using wireless radio receivers > >that capture signals sent to the in-ear monitors musicians wear to hear > >one another onstage. Fans can record a pristine feed of the entire show > >from outside the venue. a lot of bands have various radio frequencies that they use for whatever. and the dead's sound guy--healey used to broadcast some shows. if you were savvy you could set your radio to it and tape the show that way, but hey--there's plenty to be said for shows that include audience reaction, too--not just sterile soundboards that may not be mixed well for release....but anyway, I think we covered this thread several months ago. --T _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'tei waz' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:26 pm Subject: (dis)organizing music lessee, at this point my collection works like this--if the artist starts with A it goes in A, B in B, C in C and so on. It doesn't get anymore organized than that anymore. Actually, I have the alphabet split somewhat between units so some A is at the top or one shelf unit and some at the top of the other. Except I've run out of space again ;) Way beyond time to get another unit--and some more wall space.... _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40158 Re: (dis)organizing music Armin Theissen armin_theissen Tue 4/1/2003 4 KB From: Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 7:56 pm Subject: Cut and Paste Cut and Paste, People; Cut and Paste!! As much as I love each and every one of you, and this list as a whole, I would prefer not to have to read entire digests twice. ;-) Tanx In God's Love Neal 'You can't take it with you - but you CAN send it on ahead - Give.' Pastor Tom Mullins Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40152 Re: Cut and Paste Administrator dale1kay Mon 3/31/2003 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 8:02 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Cut and Paste How about copy and paste? Cut is so destructive. ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 11:56 AM Subject: [tadream] Cut and Paste > Cut and Paste, People; Cut and Paste!! As much as I love each and every one > of you, and this list as a whole, I would prefer not to have to read entire > digests twice. > > ;-) > > Tanx > In God's Love > Neal > > > 'You can't take it with you - > but you CAN send it on ahead - Give.' > Pastor Tom Mullins From: Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 8:24 pm Subject: Release or composition dates? Just my $0.02 worth, but my ENTIRE music collection is alphabetical. Then, within each alphabetical artists listing, it is in order of composition date.....sort of. This is easy with most artists. I have a lot of b**tlegs in my collection, so it is easy to do by concert date. But with TD, this is a little more complicated. Most things are catalogued by composition dates. All of the Keep CD I have are dated in the 1982 area. Whether original boots from members of the list, or 'Tangetized' official releases by the Dream. Official compilations are by release date. Duncan's compilations are by the date of the most recent song represented. All of the TDI releases are in order of release (which in most cases is also catalogue numerical order). The REAL Sohomom boot comes after the TDI Sohomon release. The different Klangart boots come after Mars Polaris for obvious reasons. Shepherds Bush Empire comes after DMIII. The Inferno concert boot comes after the TDI Inferno release. Hope all this helps. It works for me.....mostly. Neal ************************************************ Message: 25 Date: Mon, 31 Mar 2003 16:37:33 -0000 From: 'Sean Montgomery' Subject: Re: Release or composition dates? I feel your pain on this one. I've been ripping my entire TD collection to MP3 files over the past few months, and have been filing everything into folders organized by year. The policy I've been keeping is to file by composition date, unless the piece was overdubbed or changed in some fashion, in which case it goes into the folder for the year in which those changes took place. So Deadly Care - which was not overdubbed for release - gets filed under 1987 (even though it didn't get released until 1992), while TDI's version of the Keep goes in 1997, because the original material was overhauled by the band in that year. This way, it's easier to follow the band's stylistic, personnel, and equipment changes over the years. I've been relying on http://www.voices-in-the-net.com and http://www.algonet.se/~jonwar/td.html to help me with dating things. ________________________________________________________________________ ________________________________________________________________________ Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Jorge Figueiredo Date: Mon Mar 31, 2003 9:27 pm Subject: TD enigma solution The explanation for the story is very simple. That's why I had to try some suspense. ;-) Björn, you weren't very far from the solution, except in geographic terms: Dali lived in Spain, not Portugal. But it has to do with a community. There is, since the late 70s, a large hippie community living in 2 or 3 small villages in the surrounding mountainous area of Lousã, formed mainly by Dutch and German. They are by now completely integrated in the town's everyday life and the hippie second generation has reached the public schools. That class in particular has some of these students. Their musical preferences seem to be determined by what they listen at home, hence the peculiar tastes (most of them confess to hate pop music flavour-of-the-month). I'm sure that their favourite TD period would be the Virgin Years. ;-) This story has a particular importance for me. I knew of other portuguese TD fans, but António Nunes is a bit far away (1200 Kms). Now there is a bunch of them 25 kms away from me. :-) Regards, Jorge Figueiredo (( TD - Astoria Theatre, London, February 15th, 2003 <)) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40166 Re: TD enigma solution VicRek kyivmission Tue 4/1/2003 2 KB 40174 Re: TD enigma solution John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40177 Re: TD enigma solution quarlie@a... Quarlie Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40178 Re: TD enigma solution Antonio Nunes ajogon Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40179 Re: TD enigma solution VicRek kyivmission Wed 4/2/2003 3 KB 40186 Re: TD enigma solution Philippe Gibone pgibone Thu 4/3/2003 3 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 12:01 am Subject: re: the real ruling the waves wasn't it a week or two ago now that the 'real' ruling the waves was gonna be posted in mp3 format on the .org site? --T _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your e-mail with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40162 Re: the real ruling the waves Sean Montgomery sean_w_montgomery Tue 4/1/2003 2 KB 40176 Re: the real ruling the waves Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40163 Re: the real ruling the waves Administrator dale1kay Tue 4/1/2003 3 KB 40187 Re: the real ruling the waves John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 4/3/2003 3 KB 40190 Re: the real ruling the waves bduke252003 bduke252003 Thu 4/3/2003 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 2:09 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Release or composition dates? >Hi guys, what is THe Park is mine? and Phaedra of Notingham? >Paulus.d The Park is Mine is a TD soundtrack to a film with Tommy Lee Jones. Phaedra of Nottingham is a brief remixed segment of Phaedra, as played at most of the 1988-2001 TD concerts. The particular version in question on Antique Dreams is from 1988 and bizarrely includes several seconds Livemiles Albq. part, movement 2. -Morgan From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 7:34 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache >It's very interesting such a topic, since I believe in one hand every >people >is different and on the other hand disease is created by mind. So >controling >our mind may lead us to control our health. I study how, by its >representation in mind (someones say 'visualisation' but the brain does not >only functiun with visual parts) one can control his / her inner parts of >the body. Pain control is an application. Harmony or distress can be other >ones. It is a known fact that your thoughts can affect your healing, even greatly (take the placebo effect for example), but diseases are not *created* by the mind. You cannot get malaria without a malaria infection, or a heart attack without any problems in the blood circulation... aluckily. Of course, there're the psychosomatic symptoms, too, but they're not that common. >Especially getting in trance with tools like EM I find interesting and >there are some pieces I played and recorded myself I personnally use to get >in some kind of trance which helps me then to get in some particular... >state of mind. I think sequencers create some kinds of trance. Klaus >Schulze >and Steve Roach I find too much repetitve and for me this has the strange >effet of getting me *out* of the trance. TD on the contrary has the good >level (to me I repeat ;o) > >I'm looking forward reading more about this (on or off list if you find >this >too much irrationnal or never experimented such a thing). > >Best Regards, > >Fred > >np : silence BTW, the so-called 'trance' or 'hypnose' state is not a non-conscious state, even though some think othervise. It's actually just a feeling, if a rather strange one though. There has been no evidence of brainwaves becoming different, as it does in sleep. -To keep this even barely on topic: I once played Michael Hoening's Departure From The Nothern Wasteland to my father... he said it resembles some sort of an artistic transcription of brainwaves. John Vertical np: the hum of the two dozen computers in our computer lab _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 9:42 am Subject: Re: [tadream] (dis)organizing music I also stick to the alphabet, but make a difference between stuff you have to go to a so-called 'classic' section to and the rest. The reason for that is that 'classical' music is usually performed by musician(s) which are not the composer(s), and of course has usually different interpreters. Everything else is usually tightly bound to the composer, otherwise its a 'cover' version and something completely different. a. tei waz wrote: > lessee, at this point my collection works like this--if the artist starts > with A it goes in A, B in B, C in C and so on. It doesn't get anymore > organized than that anymore. Actually, I have the alphabet split somewhat > between units so some A is at the top or one shelf unit and some at the top > of the other. Except I've run out of space again ;) > Way beyond time to get another unit--and some more wall space.... > > > > > > _________________________________________________________________ > STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: Armin Theissen Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 9:48 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache This can also depend on something you happened to do or experience while listening to a track. One hot sunny day I overtook a very shiny chrome truck on a long straight road somewhere between Madrid and Zaragoza, and had Dr. Destructo in the car stereo. Since then, I am in danger of a speed frenzy with this track... ;-) a. Kevin wrote: > I have to agree about how people respond differently to the same TD > pieces. Last night, about 12 ( U.S. Central Standard Time), I WAS > listening to Rubycon Part 1 to get to sleep.......it worked too! > What an amazing album...... By the way, this is my first > submission. I am new to the mailing list. I love it! Kevin quarlie@a... > wrote:'Greg' wrote: > > >> Rubycon Pt. 1 is great for creating insomnia! It is pure torture >> music for when I just want to relax. >> > > It's funny how different people react differently to music. Rubycon > is definitely intense, but I nonetheless find it easy to drift off > and relax to it. > > --Daniel NP: Gamma Ray - No World Order > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To > unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > --------------------------------- Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! 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Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 12:42 pm Subject: vidnaObmana at the Soundscapes Concert Series The Soundscapes Concert Series proudly presents vidnaObmana in an all ages concert of space music at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island 56 River Street West Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Saturday, April 19, 2003 Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:30 pm FREE Buffet Dinner by Chef Jeff Tickets: $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Soundscapes #4 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music. For the fourth installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series, vidnaObmana will perform a unique concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem on the north bank of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse is a perfect venue for a concert of spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free buffet dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Advance tickets are be available at: Compact Disc Center Speedy's Record Shop 1365 Easton Ave. 1001 Union Blvd. Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Allentown, Pennsylvania 610-868-3070 610-432-8386 and on-line at: http://electro-music.com NOTE: Tickets purchased at the door will be discounted by $3 for those who show their WDIY or WMUH membersip cards or their full time student ID. INFORMATION: http://soundscapes.us CONTACT: Bill Fox billfox@f... 610-746-9615 VIDNAOBMANA: Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one of spacemusic's brightest stars. Using synthesizers, audio processors, and a vast array of exotic instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana creates a complex, layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and sonic atmospheres. The name vidnaObmana means 'optical illusion' in Servo-Croation, a term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during his childhood. He chose this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate how his music correlates sonically with the surreal soundscapes he creates. vidnaObmana is a prolific composer whose diverse body of work ranges from post-industrial through gently atmospheric, to tribal ambient and more. His music slowly shifts through electronic audio imagery, creating extremely personal works of atmospheric delight. Throughout his career, vidnaObmana has explored the abrasive side of electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, international music traditions, and post-classical experimentations. His music has been released widely by many independent labels worldwide, including: Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt and others. A significant portion of vidnaObmana's work has been realized in collaboration with some of the world's most interesting musicians such as Alio Die, Jeff Pearce, Steve Roach, Djen Ajakan Shean, Asmus Tietchens, and Brannan Lane. FLIER: A concert flier is available for download at http://soundscapes.us/concert flier.pdf You are encouraged to take an active role in the health of the electronic music scene by printing, displaying, and distributing this flier. Forwarding of this email message helps, too! ROBERT RICH: Robert Rich will come to the Soundscapes Concert Series on Saturday, July 12, 2003. Tickets will be $20 at the door and $17 in advance (on sale starting April 20). Tickets for the July 12 Robert Rich concert which are purchased at the April 19 Soundscapes are $15 only for vidnaObmana ticket-holders. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 5:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre Reply to Vic's post: > > Anyone thinking of going to see 'Air Sculpture' live at the National >Space >Centre, Leicester, UK April 5th ? > >They will also be at the Ricochet Gathering at the Mojave Desert, >California >from April 25-39th. Said dates prove the very ethereal nature of this concert. ;) >Also here is a trivia question I heard on the radio. 'What is the name of >the Canadian Space Agency?' Non-existent? 8-Dell >Only about 16% of Canadians got it right. > >Vic _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Sean Montgomery' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 5:51 pm Subject: Re: the real ruling the waves --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'tei waz' wrote: > > wasn't it a week or two ago now that the 'real' ruling the waves was gonna > be posted in mp3 format on the .org site? Yes...but the original promise was to have it up 'in some days time', and that was as of December 9th. So I wouldn't hold my breath. Some technical problems still in the way, perhaps? -Sean Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40176 Re: the real ruling the waves Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 6:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: the real ruling the waves Perhaps it is still busy 'Ruling The Waves '? ;-) dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Sean Montgomery' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 9:51 AM Subject: [tadream] Re: the real ruling the waves > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'tei waz' wrote: > > > > wasn't it a week or two ago now that the 'real' ruling the waves was > gonna > > be posted in mp3 format on the .org site? > > > Yes...but the original promise was to have it up 'in some days time', > and that was as of December 9th. So I wouldn't hold my breath. Some > technical problems still in the way, perhaps? > > -Sean > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'VicRek' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 7:06 pm Subject: Star Sounds Orchestra I just got word of this cool link about Star Sounds Orchestra: http://www.planetware.de/musik/Star-Sounds-Orchestra/sso-live.html#ricochet SSO features Steve Schroyder (TD - Alpha Centauri, Zeit) and Ash Ra Tempel (Seven Up) and the 'Gong Master' Jens Zygar. If you wish to find out more about the Ricochet Gathering or the subscription service, you may contact me off list or check out www.ricochetdream.com/mojave.html Don't forget that AirSculpture, Paul Lawler (Arcane), DER Spyra, Free System Projekt (Marcel Engels), Bill Fox and Dave Brewer will also be performing at this Ghost town in the desert. The next gathering is this April 25-29 and it is almost booked! Check it out if you wish to have an EM experience of a lifetime!! RU Brave Enuf? VicRek tangerinedream@h... www.ricochetdream.com From: 'VicRek' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 7:25 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre From: 'Adele Outland' > >They will also be at the Ricochet Gathering at the Mojave Desert, > >California > >from April 25-39th. > Said dates prove the very ethereal nature of this concert. ;) Yes :-) Can you give a full report when you return..... from which planet? :-) > >Also here is a trivia question I heard on the radio. 'What is the name of > >the Canadian Space Agency?' > > Non-existent? 8-Dell This was my guess - but the answer is in the question (CSA) :-) Vic From: 'VicRek' Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 8:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD enigma solution Hi Jorge! Thanks for the wonderful story.... Now a little commentary of mine: In 10 years, all those young kids will be in awe of what we can discuss these days. Bring them in young before they get DSL and cable modem --- nonsense... And lock themselves in their room and wait until called for dinner - pathetic! Vic From: Vincent Date: Tue Apr 1, 2003 11:50 pm Subject: CSA Tsk tsk tsk, folks. That's no way to treat us canucks. Canada was the 3rd country to build a statellite, back in the early 1960's. Also, the most powerful earth radar satellite is also Canadian (RadarSat) and everyone should know about the CanadArm that enable the Space Shuttle to capture and release satellites, and that is going into its second generation as the International Space Station manipulator and maintenance system. We may not be as big as the US, but we're there, and we are trying. Message: 21 Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2003 14:25:54 -0500 From: 'VicRek' Subject: Re: Air Sculpture live at the National Space Centre From: 'Adele Outland' > >They will also be at the Ricochet Gathering at the Mojave Desert, > >California > >from April 25-39th. > Said dates prove the very ethereal nature of this concert. ;) Yes :-) Can you give a full report when you return..... from which planet? :-) > >Also here is a trivia question I heard on the radio. 'What is the name of > >the Canadian Space Agency?' > > Non-existent? 8-Dell This was my guess - but the answer is in the question (CSA) :-) Vic From: 'Dave Brewer' Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 1:46 am Subject: Strange Behavior DVD Greetings all, If this is already common knowledge, I apologize. But if it isn't, here it is... According to DVDReview.com, Strange Behavior will be coming to DVD May 6 in the US. The article says 'The film will contain an anamorphic widescreen transfer and an audio commentary with Bill Condon (screenwriter) and actors Dan Shor and Dey Young. Other extras include an _ISOLATED_SCORE_, deleted scenes, theatrical trailers, a photo gallery and filmographies. If they do the isolated score properly (unlike Legend), this DVD may be of interest to some of us here. :-) It's funny that this film is getting a nicer treatment on DVD than Miracle Mile, but at least MM is coming on DVD too. I was just reviewing the only Strange Behavior music I have, which is on the Prayer of Quiet Dreams b**t. The first track was a strange ambient-ish tune, but the other one is a nice guitar tune. Makes me wonder what this soundtrack is like since I've never seen the film. Regards, Dave B. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40169 Re: Strange Behavior DVD Jim Moore moxica93 Wed 4/2/2003 4 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 3:55 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Strange Behavior DVD I hadn't heard this, thanks for the info, Dave! Considering that there wasn't ever a released soundtrack for this movie, I don't see how they could do a Legend treatment for this... :) I remember seeing the movie over 10 years ago on TV, and thinking it was very disturbing, but nothing exceptional. - jim -----Original Message----- From: Dave Brewer [mailto:deibu@g...] Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 8:46 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Strange Behavior DVD Greetings all, If this is already common knowledge, I apologize. But if it isn't, here it is... According to DVDReview.com, Strange Behavior will be coming to DVD May 6 in the US. The article says 'The film will contain an anamorphic widescreen transfer and an audio commentary with Bill Condon (screenwriter) and actors Dan Shor and Dey Young. Other extras include an _ISOLATED_SCORE_, deleted scenes, theatrical trailers, a photo gallery and filmographies. If they do the isolated score properly (unlike Legend), this DVD may be of interest to some of us here. :-) It's funny that this film is getting a nicer treatment on DVD than Miracle Mile, but at least MM is coming on DVD too. I was just reviewing the only Strange Behavior music I have, which is on the Prayer of Quiet Dreams b**t. The first track was a strange ambient-ish tune, but the other one is a nice guitar tune. Makes me wonder what this soundtrack is like since I've never seen the film. Regards, Dave B. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: coldwatercanyon@m... Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 9:40 am Subject: Collection Sale Wondering if US$3,000 is a good price for this collection? http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2520544417&category=1566 Jeffrey --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ --- ÆF®æ­· - ¤H¤H¦³¥÷ : ¾Ç­^»y¡A°e¢°¢´¸`´¶³q¸Ü½Ò°ó¡C http://www.hongkong.com/zh_tw/linguaphone Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40171 Re: Collection Sale Robert Grabowsky whtwlf2501 Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40172 Re: Collection Sale Heiko Heerssen td_freak Wed 4/2/2003 3 KB 40212 Re: Collection Sale shez@a... Fri 4/4/2003 3 KB 40173 Re: Collection Sale John Vertical omegatransfinito Wed 4/2/2003 2 KB 40175 Re: Collection Sale bduke252003 bduke252003 Wed 4/2/2003 3 KB 40196 Re: Collection Sale Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Thu 4/3/2003 3 KB From: Robert Grabowsky Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 12:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Collection Sale It must be. I see Peter Raven has bid on it. THE HIGHLANDER At 05:40 PM 4/2/03 +0800, you wrote: >Wondering if US$3,000 is a good price for this collection? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2520544417&category=1566 > >Jeffrey >--------------------------------------------------------------------------- -------- >ÆF®æ­· - ¤H¤H¦³¥÷ : ¾Ç­^»y¡A°e¢°¢´¸`´¶³q¸Ü½Ò°ó¡C >http://www.hongkong.com/zh_tw/linguaphone From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 12:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Collection Sale I guess that if I would send: 'over 120 CD’s ,18 Videos, 75 Cassettes, 3 T -Shirts, and 24 Solo Member Cd’s ,History of TD Book , and a Reference Guide' [quote] to someone living outside of Europe, it would already cost me US$3000 for paying the airmail postage ~LOL~ Some of the stuff is really very rare, but I doubt that someone will use the 'buy it now' option. And the 'imported CD' list is a bit..erm...well :-) > It must be. I see Peter Raven has bid on it. well I fear that $100 is just a bit too low to meet the guy's reserve price ;-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40212 Re: Collection Sale shez@a... Fri 4/4/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 1:17 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Collection Sale >Wondering if US$3,000 is a good price for this collection? > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2520544417&category=1566 > >Jeffrey Man, that, if anything, is HUGE! Couldn't he really consider selling it in even just a little smaller chunks? Yes, $3000 sounds high, if reasonable though.. but it's sort of inconvenient - I mean, if someone wants L'Affaire Wallraff, what will (s)he do with all those regular albums? ..but then again, I'm no hoarder (yet ;-) so I can't know... John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40175 Re: Collection Sale bduke252003 bduke252003 Wed 4/2/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 1:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD enigma solution >Now a little commentary of mine: >In 10 years, all those young kids will be in awe of what we can discuss >these days. >Bring them in young before they get DSL and cable modem --- nonsense... >And lock themselves in their room and wait until called for dinner - >pathetic! > >Vic Huh? I didn't understand a bit of that... Could you to translate that for us non-English speaking? Like, bring them in where, what is nonsense, or what 'these days'? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: 'bduke252003' Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 1:35 pm Subject: Re: Collection Sale I actually emailed the seller requesting that he withdraw his auction and break it down into smaller chunks. There's one thing I want in the ENTIRE collection (and I have a feeling that by the time the auction ends, the end price will be far too high for a simple, single poster)! Kind of silly auction. --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical' wrote: > >Wondering if US$3,000 is a good price for this collection? > > > >http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=2520544417&category=1566 > > > >Jeffrey > > > Man, that, if anything, is HUGE! Couldn't he really consider selling it in > even just a little smaller chunks? > Yes, $3000 sounds high, if reasonable though.. but it's sort of inconvenient > - I mean, if someone wants L'Affaire Wallraff, what will (s)he do with all > those regular albums? > ..but then again, I'm no hoarder (yet ;-) so I can't know... > > John Vertical > > _________________________________________________________________ > Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online > http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 3:26 pm Subject: Re: the real ruling the waves --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Sean Montgomery' wrote: > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'tei waz' wrote: > > > > wasn't it a week or two ago now that the 'real' ruling the waves was > gonna > > be posted in mp3 format on the .org site? > > > Yes...but the original promise was to have it up 'in some days time', > and that was as of December 9th. So I wouldn't hold my breath. Some > technical problems still in the way, perhaps? > > -Sean The first announcement that the TD site was being revamped was at the beginning of last year, and, as I recall, it said that it would happen 'in the next three weeks or so'. In fact, it took six months. Estimating has never been TDI's strong suit. If the company folds, I doubt whether any of them will be applying for jobs in project management... :-) Glynn From: quarlie@a... Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 3:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD enigma solution 'John Vertical' wrote: >Huh? I didn't understand a bit of that... >Could you to translate that for us non-English speaking? Like, bring them in >where, what is nonsense, or what 'these days'? Don't worry, John. I'm a native English speaker and I didn't understand it either. ;) --Daniel NP: Lights of Euphoria - Voices From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 4:15 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD enigma solution quarlie@a... wrote: > > Don't worry, John. I'm a native English speaker and I didn't understand > it either. ;) Maybe Vic has been reading 'Digital Gothic', Paul Stump's book for English experts ;-) Antonio Nunes np: The Melrose Years disc 2 From: 'VicRek' Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 6:26 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD enigma solution Well, I just can't explain it. It was some little voice that I heard that told me to write it. I'm glad at least some folk 'tried' to understand it. :-) Maybe I got the translation mixed up with my Polish. Anyway, my wife read it and understood it. And yes, how did you know that I started reading Paul Stump's book - I pulled it out 3 days ago when I was unpacking my TD books - really :-) Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Antonio Nunes' > > > > Don't worry, John. I'm a native English speaker and I didn't understand > > it either. ;) > > Maybe Vic has been reading 'Digital Gothic', Paul Stump's book for > English experts ;-) From: 'gyedid01' Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 7:47 pm Subject: Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, shez@a... wrote: > > > >to try and get this thread on topic, wouldn't it be cool if TD could > >do some DM covers as encores for their shows? > > I don't see why TD would have to pay tribute to a band which started > nearly 16 years after them. I'll keep this brief... Because it would be much more appropriate, IMO, for TD to peform covers of songs by other electronic bands than fall back on arrangements of non-synth 60s bands. Because of the success DM has had in making electro-pop accessible to the masses. Because a fair number of TD fans are also likely DM fans as well. Take your pick. Gabe From: 'gyedid01' Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 7:47 pm Subject: Re: Guilty secrets / DEPECHE MODE --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, shez@a... wrote: > > > >to try and get this thread on topic, wouldn't it be cool if TD could > >do some DM covers as encores for their shows? > > I don't see why TD would have to pay tribute to a band which started > nearly 16 years after them. I'll keep this brief... Because it would be much more appropriate, IMO, for TD to peform covers of songs by other electronic bands than fall back on arrangements of non-synth 60s bands. Because of the success DM has had in making electro-pop accessible to the masses. Because a fair number of TD fans are also likely DM fans as well. Take your pick. Gabe From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 9:05 pm Subject: sounds with physiological effects (was: Rockoon & the Toothache) Fred (and anyone else interested), You might want to check out Brain/Mind Reseach at: http://www.inner-net.com/bmr/ They have all sorts of neat music-related meditation/relaxation gear, including a 'sound therapy table', which is designed to resonate low frequency direclty into your body. If you want to 'feel the music', this is it! They also have a number of recordings available, including discs of 'space sounds' - actual recordings of electromagnetic waves emitted by various celestial bodies in our solar system (recorded by Voyager and other space probes), which is how I stumbled across them in the first place. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Frédéric Yargui [mailto:fredericyargui@w...] > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 12:08 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache > > > Hello Dreamers, > > It's very interesting such a topic, since I believe in one > hand every people > is different and on the other hand disease is created by > mind. So controling > our mind may lead us to control our health. I study how, by its > representation in mind (someones say 'visualisation' but the > brain does not > only functiun with visual parts) one can control his / her > inner parts of > the body. Pain control is an application. Harmony or distress > can be other > ones. Especially getting in trance with tools like EM I find > interesting and > there are some pieces I played and recorded myself I > personnally use to get > in some kind of trance which helps me then to get in some > particular... > state of mind. I think sequencers create some kinds of > trance. Klaus Schulze > and Steve Roach I find too much repetitve and for me this has > the strange > effet of getting me *out* of the trance. TD on the contrary > has the good > level (to me I repeat ;o) > > I'm looking forward reading more about this (on or off list > if you find this > too much irrationnal or never experimented such a thing). > > Best Regards, > > Fred > > np : silence > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Kevin' > To: > Sent: Monday, March 31, 2003 6:50 PM > Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache > > > > > > I have to agree about how people respond differently to the same TD > pieces. Last night, about 12 ( U.S. Central Standard Time), I > WAS listening > to Rubycon Part 1 to get to sleep.......it worked too! What an amazing > album...... > > By the way, this is my first submission. I am new to the > mailing list. I > love it! > > Kevin > > quarlie@a... wrote:'Greg' wrote: > > > > >Rubycon Pt. 1 is great for creating insomnia! It is pure > torture music > for > > >when I just want to relax. > > > > It's funny how different people react differently to music. > Rubycon is > definitely intense, but I nonetheless find it easy to drift > off and relax to > it. > > > > --Daniel > > NP: Gamma Ray - No World Order > >> > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40197 Re: sounds with physiological effects (was: Rockoon & the Toothache) Frédéric Yargui fredyargui Thu 4/3/2003 3 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 10:26 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Seasonal samplers For your spring set I recommend 'Tiergarten'. There's a definite feel of 'spring fever' there. (For you non-native English speakers, 'spring fever' is the feeling you have when you're stuck indoors on the first temperate, clear day of the year). 'Tiergarten' makes me long for a cool afternoon in a shady park somewhere... > -----Original Message----- > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > > Hello people, > I'm compiling 'The Five Seasons' TD samplers - yes, that's > 'five', not > 'four'. I'm splicing summer and autumn onto 3 disks, sort of > Green, Yellow > and Brown; - but at the moment I have a problem. I can't > think of enough > things to put on the Spring disk. So far I have: > Marakesh > Cherokee Lane > Silver Scale > and nothing else. From: 'Owens, James' Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 10:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD references in unexpected places I built an RPG adventure based on the opening words (the vocoder voice) to 'Bent Cold Sidewalk'. > -----Original Message----- > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > I'm building an RPG and throwing in things like Cinnamon > Road, Goblins' > Club, Twin Soul Tribe... > > Hmm, could consider an elf called 'June' to boot. > > John Vertical From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 2:49 am Subject: OT: Prog Music Store in Denton, TX Sorry for the abrupt inquiry, but I'm trying to recall the name of a record/video store based in Denton, Texas, that sold a lot of progressive titles. They had a pretty good web site for a while, but I can't remember who they were. If anyone has any clue who I'm talking about, please let me know... Now back to the Tang... __________________________________________________ Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40189 OT: Prog Music Store in Denton, TX Morgan Feldon feldon23 Thu 4/3/2003 3 KB 40191 Re: OT: Prog Music Store in Denton, TX moxica@a... moxica93 Thu 4/3/2003 2 KB 40198 Re: OT: Prog Music Store in Denton, TX goozergrafx goozergrafx Thu 4/3/2003 3 KB From: 'Philippe Gibone' Date: Wed Apr 2, 2003 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD enigma solution You can use a free translator : Don't worry, John. I'm a native English speaker and I didn't understand it either. translated to German then back to english : Do not be concerned, John. I am an innate English speaker and I have it either not understood then translated to Portuguese then back to english Nao imported, John. I am an innate English speaker and I have any a nao they understood HTH Philippe Gibone >From: quarlie@a... >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] TD enigma solution >Date: Wed, 02 Apr 2003 10:39:34 -0500 > >'John Vertical' wrote: > > >Huh? I didn't understand a bit of that... > >Could you to translate that for us non-English speaking? Like, bring them >in > >where, what is nonsense, or what 'these days'? > >Don't worry, John. I'm a native English speaker and I didn't understand it >either. ;) > >--Daniel >NP: Lights of Euphoria - Voices > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > _________________________________________________________________ MSN Messenger : dialoguez en direct avec vos amis ! http://www.msn.fr/msger/default.asp From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 6:32 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: the real ruling the waves >The first announcement that the TD site was being revamped was at the >beginning of last year, and, as I recall, it said that it would >happen 'in the next three weeks or so'. In fact, it took six months. > >Estimating has never been TDI's strong suit. If the company folds, I >doubt whether any of them will be applying for jobs in project >management... :-) > >Glynn Yeah, and if it really is going to flop, I bet there's two or three albums in between the 'We're Going Bankrypt' announcement and the actual crash. On a side note... wasn't TDI supposed to feature other EM artists than just TD (and TDJ Rome) in the future? Is this just another 'announcement long before' or what? John Vertical np: TT vol 18 _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40190 Re: the real ruling the waves bduke252003 bduke252003 Thu 4/3/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 6:40 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Seasonal samplers >For your spring set I recommend 'Tiergarten'. There's a definite feel of >'spring fever' there. (For you non-native English speakers, 'spring fever' >is the feeling you have when you're stuck indoors on the first temperate, >clear day of the year). 'Tiergarten' makes me long for a cool afternoon in >a shady park somewhere... Thanks! OK, Marakesh, Silver Scale, Cherokee Lane excerpt and Tiergarten... that's 35 minutes. Futher suggestions, anyone? John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 8:48 am Subject: OT: Prog Music Store in Denton, TX >From: 6d9c9b9.jpg'Jim Moore' >Sorry for the abrupt inquiry, but I'm trying to recall the name of a >record/video store based in Denton, Texas, that sold a lot of progressive >titles. They had a pretty good web site for a while, but I can't remember >who they were. If anyone has any clue who I'm talking about, please let me >know... > >Now back to the Tang... In response to your abrupt inquiry, I provide the only information I know about RPM Records. They abruptly went out-of-business without so much as a note. Their .com has since lapsed and been acquired by a search engine front. The relevant information was RPM Records A music store and video rental place that specializes in 'the things you can't get at Blockbuster Music'. Has a hefty collection of anime on VHS (300-400 titles) and laserdisc (more than 20 titles) for rent, and also sells some used anime tapes for about $12. They will order any available video or disc for 90% of the list price. Mesquite: 565 Oates, Suite 110(about 3/4 mile north from the old location) (214)681-8441 from: http://www.utdallas.edu/orgs/spoon/dallasanime.html And I consider 'where to buy TD and other EM' pretty darn on-topic. :) -Morgan ---------- [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'bduke252003' Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 1:16 pm Subject: Re: the real ruling the waves Guys, why are we talking about TDI going bankrupt? Let's stop before it actually becomes a rumor...yes? BTW: Just got the Tang Tree 1 - 3 (Thanks Heiko!) and am amazed by the Newcastle '81 show (Vol 10)(first half). --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical' wrote: > >The first announcement that the TD site was being revamped was at the > >beginning of last year, and, as I recall, it said that it would > >happen 'in the next three weeks or so'. In fact, it took six months. > > > >Estimating has never been TDI's strong suit. If the company folds, I > >doubt whether any of them will be applying for jobs in project > >management... :-) > > > >Glynn > > > Yeah, and if it really is going to flop, I bet there's two or three albums > in between the 'We're Going Bankrypt' announcement and the actual crash. > On a side note... wasn't TDI supposed to feature other EM artists than just > TD (and TDJ Rome) in the future? Is this just another 'announcement long > before' or what? > > John Vertical > np: TT vol 18 > > _________________________________________________________________ > MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: moxica@a... Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 2:12 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Prog Music Store in Denton, TX That was it! Too bad to hear that they're no longer around; that would explain why I fell off their mailing list. So... is Ranjit still around... :) - jim -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... > In response to your abrupt inquiry, I provide the only information I know > about RPM Records. They abruptly went out-of-business without so much as a > note. Their .com has since lapsed and been acquired by a search engine front. > > The relevant information was > RPM Records > A music store and video rental place that specializes in 'the things you > can't get at Blockbuster Music'. Has a hefty collection of anime on VHS > (300-400 titles) and laserdisc (more than 20 titles) for rent, and also > sells some used anime tapes for about $12. They will order any available > video or disc for 90% of the list price. > Mesquite: 565 Oates, Suite 110(about 3/4 mile north from the old location) > (214)681-8441 > -Morgan From: Klaus Beschorner Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 5:41 pm Subject: notice of absence Hi all, I'll be away on a business trip to Japan April 4-24, and don't expect to be able to do much TD-wise during this time. In the meantime, I have updated the newstuff.txt on my homepage with some very nice recent news ;-) cheers klaus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40193 Re: notice of absence quarlie@a... Quarlie Thu 4/3/2003 2 KB From: quarlie@a... Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] notice of absence Klaus Beschorner wrote: >I'll be away on a business trip to Japan April 4-24, and don't >expect to be able to do much TD-wise during this time. Any chance you'll make it to the Zen Garden at Ryoan-ji? It's an important stop on the Le Parc world tour. ;) --Daniel (wishing he was back in Japan) NP: Goblins' Club From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache Hello Dreamers and John, > It is a known fact that your thoughts can affect your healing, even greatly > (take the placebo effect for example), but diseases are not *created* by the > mind. You cannot get malaria without a malaria infection, or a heart attack > without any problems in the blood circulation... aluckily. > Of course, there're the psychosomatic symptoms, too, but they're not that > common. > Yes, You're right and thank you for correcting me. It is a kind of process I can hardly explain in all the systemic happenings, even in french :-) > > > BTW, the so-called 'trance' or 'hypnose' state is not a non-conscious state, > even though some think othervise. It's actually just a feeling, if a rather > strange one though. There has been no evidence of brainwaves becoming > different, as it does in sleep. > I agree with your first and last sentences. Hypnose is only a modified state of our consiousness and we all experimentated this when travelling by train, or when we are stargazing, and so on. And it is not only a feeling. Feelings (to my knowledge) is a set of physical events that our brain comment. And again you are right : it is not the same things that occurs when sleeping. > -To keep this even barely on topic: I once played Michael Hoening's > Departure From The Nothern Wasteland to my father... he said it resembles > some sort of an artistic transcription of brainwaves. > I was listening to a track of this disc three hours ago in my car and I was really seduced by the sequencing lines... I will try to understand your point of view about it. Later, Fred From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache Hi Armin and Dreamers, Some people think our thoughts create our reality. :-)) :-)) Later, Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Armin Theissen' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 01, 2003 11:48 AM Subject: Re: [tadream] Rockoon & the Toothache > > This can also depend on something you happened to do or > experience while listening to a track. One hot > sunny day I overtook a very shiny chrome truck on a > long straight road somewhere between Madrid and Zaragoza, > and had Dr. Destructo in the car stereo. Since then, > I am in danger of a speed frenzy with this track... ;-) > > a. > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:13 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Collection Sale Iam reaching for the cheque book now.... I wish!!! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 10:40 AM Subject: [tadream] Collection Sale > Wondering if US$3,000 is a good price for this collection? > > http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2520544417&category=1566 > > Jeffrey > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- --------- > ÆF®æ­· - ¤H¤H¦³¥÷ : ¾Ç­^»y¡A°e¢°¢´¸`´¶³q¸Ü½Ò°ó¡C > http://www.hongkong.com/zh_tw/linguaphone > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:23 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] sounds with physiological effects (was: Rockoon & the Toothache) Hello James and Dreamrs, Thank you for the links ! I listenened to some of them and some are cool, others are dead links... :-( I will continue experimentation with this kind of music upon myself :-) By the way, when I was 15 years younger I used to listen to rhythm EM, so when I discovered ZEIT I was a bit (!) disappointed. Luckily I learnt to become patient, and thus, I could appreciate this LP (and now, this remastered CD :-) I do not have the IRM (magnetic resonnance stuff) to proove my brain is in a real better state when listening to that particular kind of music. ;o) Best Regards, Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: Wednesday, April 02, 2003 11:05 PM Subject: [tadream] sounds with physiological effects (was: Rockoon & the Toothache) Fred (and anyone else interested), You might want to check out Brain/Mind Reseach at: http://www.inner-net.com/bmr/ They have all sorts of neat music-related meditation/relaxation gear, including a 'sound therapy table', which is designed to resonate low frequency direclty into your body. If you want to 'feel the music', this is it! They also have a number of recordings available, including discs of 'space sounds' - actual recordings of electromagnetic waves emitted by various celestial bodies in our solar system (recorded by Voyager and other space probes), which is how I stumbled across them in the first place. James > From: 'goozergrafx' Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 7:42 pm Subject: Re: OT: Prog Music Store in Denton, TX It really sucked for me, since I live here in Big D! I would visit RPM at least once a month and Randy knew me well enough after shopping there for 15 years to let me know the inside scoop on upcoming goodies. There was *no* notice about the closing at all. I called one day and the phone was disconnected and I drove by that weekend and the shop was cleared out. Very sad. goozer --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, moxica@a... wrote: > That was it! Too bad to hear that they're no longer around; that would explain > why I fell off their mailing list. > > So... is Ranjit still around... :) > > - jim > > -- > Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA > moxica@a... > > In response to your abrupt inquiry, I provide the only information I know > > about RPM Records. They abruptly went out-of-business without so much as a > > note. Their .com has since lapsed and been acquired by a search engine front. > > > > The relevant information was > > RPM Records > > A music store and video rental place that specializes in 'the things you > > can't get at Blockbuster Music'. Has a hefty collection of anime on VHS > > (300-400 titles) and laserdisc (more than 20 titles) for rent, and also > > sells some used anime tapes for about $12. They will order any available > > video or disc for 90% of the list price. > > Mesquite: 565 Oates, Suite 110(about 3/4 mile north from the old location) > > (214)681-8441 > > -Morgan From: René Brenner Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 11:29 pm Subject: TD Mellotron Sounds on Ebay TD mellotron sounds for your home equipment: http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2520648119&category=9813 Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40200 Re: TD Mellotron Sounds on Ebay Administrator dale1kay Thu 4/3/2003 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 11:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD Mellotron Sounds on Ebay 1975 huh, what track do you think this might have been used on? dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'René Brenner' To: Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:29 PM Subject: [tadream] TD Mellotron Sounds on Ebay > TD mellotron sounds for your home equipment: > > http://cgi.ebay.de/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2520648119&category=9813 > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'kayleighsdaddy' Date: Thu Apr 3, 2003 11:36 pm Subject: TT 3 Trade request Hey all, just a curious request if ANYONE is up for a possible swap of TT 3? I attempted to download at cable modem speed, and while my stuff flies (it's flying faster than a 747 seriously), It's absolutely HUGE and MASSIVE, and I'd almost rather swap for it openly and outright, rather than convert from SHN, etc. THANKS For the access to the people who provided me with the info, BUT I'd like to see about a possible swap instead of having to spend the time downloading/converting? If you are interested, please e-mail me off the list. THANKS. dan The Rugrats Romper Room!!! http://www.iloverugrats.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad) / Yahoo (kayleighsdaddy) MSN Messenger (kayleighsdad@h...) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLuRP_Trading [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40202 Re: TT 3 Trade request Andrei Stcherbatchenko windfall_123 Fri 4/4/2003 3 KB 40203 Re: TT 3 Trade request Robert Asmus plastics67 Fri 4/4/2003 4 KB 40213 Re: TT 3 Trade request christopher.christou@b... kitjolliffe Fri 4/4/2003 3 KB From: 'Andrei Stcherbatchenko' Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 4:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT 3 Trade request Hi Dan, I had only one branch in this tree, so I can burn copies of TT3 for you. Let me know if you are still interested. I am in WA, USA. Andrei ----- Original Message ----- From: 'kayleighsdaddy' To: 'tadream' Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 3:36 PM Subject: [tadream] TT 3 Trade request > Hey all, just a curious request if ANYONE is up for a possible swap of TT 3? I attempted to download at cable modem speed, and while my stuff flies (it's flying faster than a 747 seriously), It's absolutely HUGE and MASSIVE, and I'd almost rather swap for it openly and outright, rather than convert from SHN, etc. > > THANKS For the access to the people who provided me with the info, BUT I'd like to see about a possible swap instead of having to spend the time downloading/converting? > > If you are interested, please e-mail me off the list. THANKS. > > dan From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 4:47 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TT 3 Trade request Dan, I have been some what of a branch. I have hosted TT3 on my ftp and I have also copied and mailed the TT3 disks to a member with no strings attatched. I am on the east cost of the US in Rhode Island and if I can help you get the set it will be no problem Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: kayleighsdaddy [mailto:kayleighsdad@i...] Sent: Thursday, April 03, 2003 6:36 PM To: tadream Subject: [tadream] TT 3 Trade request Hey all, just a curious request if ANYONE is up for a possible swap of TT 3? I attempted to download at cable modem speed, and while my stuff flies (it's flying faster than a 747 seriously), It's absolutely HUGE and MASSIVE, and I'd almost rather swap for it openly and outright, rather than convert from SHN, etc. THANKS For the access to the people who provided me with the info, BUT I'd like to see about a possible swap instead of having to spend the time downloading/converting? If you are interested, please e-mail me off the list. THANKS. dan The Rugrats Romper Room!!! http://www.iloverugrats.com AOL IM (kayleighsdad) / Yahoo (kayleighsdaddy) MSN Messenger (kayleighsdad@h...) http://groups.yahoo.com/group/SLuRP_Trading [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 12:59 pm Subject: Tangerine leaves announcement (long post) Howdy! last year (October 16th to be precise) I wrote the following to the Tadream list: 'Hello Tadreamers, I would like to announce an idea which may be of interest to those TD afficionados who can't get enough of unreleased TD concerts: another tree (oh no, not again ;-) called 'Tangerine leaves' ....which deals with releasing low generation audience recordings that will not get included in the 'Tangerine Tree' series for various reasons, like for example concerts of the 70s which have a more or less mediocre sound quality even though we have a master tape or a copy thereof (btw, 'mediocre' means that the recording is still listenable and interesting, and please keep in mind that every TD concert up to 1978 was totally improvised), or master tape recordings from concert tours of the 80s and 90s where it's enough to use just the two best sources for the 'Tangerine Tree' series (because each gig within a concert tour had more or less the same music with just very little improvisation, and for 'TT' the most important factors are the variety of concerts and the sound quality) But I still would consider these concerts as interesting, especially those from the early 80s where there was still room for improvisation. Of course all these recordings would get that special 'tree remastering' which makes them stand above the rest (hopefully), and this would also be a good opportunity to create some more of the great artwork covers.' --------------------------------------------------------------------------------\ ------------------------ Since then most of the time was spent for the preparation of Tangerine Tree # 3, but now the first leaves can fall onto the ground (or into your CD player ;-) Tangerine leaves #1 will consist of 12 concerts and a total of 21 CDRs: --> Volume 1: London Dominion Theatre 06 November 1982 --> Volume 2: Burg Nideggen 24 August 2002 --> Volume 3: York Minster 20 October 1975 --> Volume 4: Toronto Massey Hall 01 September 1988 --> Volume 5: Brussels Cirque Royal 17 March 1978 --> Volume 6: Coventry Cathedral 04 October 1975 --> Volume 7: Aachen Eurogress 21 January 1981 --> Volume 8: Dublin National Stadium 01 November 1980 --> Volume 9: Berlin Reichstag 29 August 1981 --> Volume 10: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30 November 1996 Pt 1 --> Volume 11: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30 November 1996 Pt 2 --> Volume 12: Ottawa Performing Arts Center 20 June 1986 (more details about the recording quality, tape generations etc. in a separate mail!) Just like 'TT' this tree will require another database and a sign-up procedure, and Maff already promised me to take care of it. He will will set up the database and post a follow-up message very soon, telling everyone how this tree will function and how to sign up. Unlike 'TT' I assume that not all the concerts within 'Tangerine leaves' will appeal to everyone, so this means that most of the participants will just select those concerts which they think might be good (maybe you prove me wrong ;-). *** I consider this tree to be much more interesting for those afficionados who want to dig deeper into the unreleased live recordings of Tangerine Dream, and this was also the reason why the first round has a massive 21 CDRs to choose from*** ARTWORK: isn't ready yet, just wait for Matthew's announcement when he's done with it. At the moment it's more important to get the database up and running. REDBOOK/ SHN: it seems we will need less 'branches' this time for redbook CDs than we have for 'TT'. I haven't made up my mind yet about the distribution via SHN discs (I'm more the 'standalone burner' guy who knows absolutely nothing about shn/ftp etc. ;-) , so this needs some further discussion and help is appreciated. Just like the start of TT this is mostly 'learning by doing' here :-) regards your Tree man Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40206 Re: Tangerine leaves announcement (long post) René Brenner fairway_ch Fri 4/4/2003 2 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 12:59 pm Subject: Tangerine leaves detailed concert list Here is some more detailed information: Volume 1: London Dominion Theatre 06 November 1982, 2 CDR, 117 min. -> master tape copy, remastered by (Side Effects). The music is identical to TT#2, Vol. 12 Croydon 1982. As most of you will know the 'Logos' album was taken from this performance, and you can still hear the 'Tangerine Dream!' introduction (the 'Dominion in London, thanks for being patient. Please welcome..' is missing here) Although the sound quality isn't on par with that of Croydon 82 it's nevertheless the best sounding recording from this show, and I would rate it 7/10 for sound quality (music 10/10 :-) As a bonus we included an excerpt from the soundcheck, a groovy improvisation which lasts for 8+ minutes. Volume 2: Burg Nideggen Eifel-Festspiele 24 August 2002, 1 CDR, 79 min. --> the music was taken from the I-NET TV webcast, so the sound quality is very good (9/10 maybe). The music is pretty much identical to the 'Inferno' TDI release, but I'm sure that those who like the music will also find this concert interesting :-) Volume 3: York Minster 20 October 1975, 1 CDR, 79 min. --> this recording will come as a big surprise because it is the REAL York Minster show which so far has been heard by only very few people. The tape that was circulating as York is in fact Manchester Hardrock 19 October 1975. York Minster is a master tape copy which has been remastered by '3N', and what a great job he did (because the original had a very poor sound and was in a bad condition) Although the sound quality still isn't better than maybe 5-6/10, the slower, non-sequenced parts are truly mindblowing and belong to the best I have heard from that tour. Especially the first 8-9 minutes of the encore are just *incredible* and gives me goosebumps each time I hear it, as does the first 13 minutes of Track 1. Volume 4: Toronto Massey Hall 01 September 1988, 2 CDRs, 118 min. --> For the 'Tangerine Tree' we will most certainly release the New Haven 9.9.88 soundboard tape, but until then this will be the first tree recording from the 'Optical race' tour. Sound quality is close to 8/10, and this was the concert were they had a power outage for a couple of minutes during 'Marakesh', that's why it's only 1.01 minutes long :-) Remastered by (Side Effects). Volume 5: Brussels Cirque Royal 17 March 1978, 2 CDRs, 92 min. --> most collectors will know that 1978 wasn't a good year for audience recordings, nearly all of them had a rather bad sound quality and only 3 or 4 tapes were ok (but still miles away from recordings like for example Nottingham 76, TT#1 Vol.1) Brussels Cirque Royal makes no difference, sound quality is not better than 5-6/10. But it has been remastered straight from the master tape and IMO it was one of TD's better performances (there were some gigs during the 'Cyclone' tour where the word 'untogether' would have been a compliment ;-) For those who like Cyclone it's worth a try. Remastered by (Side Effects). Volume 6: Coventry Cathedral 04 October 1975, 2 CDRs, 90 min. --> a master tape recording of TD's first gig during their UK tour, remastered by (Side Effects). Sound quality is maybe 5/10 only, but still it is interesting for those who love the old TD mellotron sound. The first track is very atmospheric and non-sequenced , the second and longest track however has lots of variety..I'd really love to hear ED's tape (in case it still exists). Thanks again to Chris W. for recording and sharing :-) Volume 7: Aachen Eurogress 21 January 1981, 2 CDRs, 108 min. --> another great sounding recording from the European 1981 tour, and a very special gig too. To quote Scott Plumer's 'Mysterious semblance: a TD chronology': 'During an encore, the band left the stage, letting the sequencers continue to play to a bemused audience. When the band returned, they were wearing gorilla suits! Franke's mask was on upside down. After walking around the stage, waving to the audience, they returned to their positions and finished the show so clad' Remastered by Analogue dreams. Volume 8: Dublin National Stadium 01 November 1980, 2 CDRs, 106 min. --> sound quality ca 7/10, remastered by (Side Effects). A great concert which everyone seems to have enjoyed. Great keyboard solos (by Johannes Schmoelling?) Also has a very interesting piano improvisation on Disc 1 where Schmoelling is playing a theme most of you will know, and which caused a big roar from the crowd. Volume 9: Berlin Reichstagsgelände 29 August 1981, 2 CDR, 94 min. --> surely one, if not THE noisiest TD audience recording ever. This was a 'free concert for nuclear disarmament and world peace' which was held at the Platz der Republik. The music though is quite interesting as TD played some tracks from the Wavelength soundtrack two years before its release. Remastered by (Side Effects), sound quality ca. 7/10. Volume 10 & 11: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30 November 1996, 3 CDRs, 192 min. --> here you get almost everything: the complete DAT recording, all four excerpts from the 'Radio Eins Elektrobeats' Shepherds Bush special in studio sound quality, plus two tracks from the soundcheck. Sound quality is also very good to excellent. Remastered by (Side Effects). Volume 12: Ottawa National Arts Center 20 June 1986, 2 CDRs, 106 min. --> a very good recording of a great concert which also has less talking than Laguna Hills TT Vol. 24. Sound quality 7-8/10, remastered by (Side Effects). I love everything TD played during the 'Underwater sunlight' tour, so you will never hear any complaints from me :-) Heiko Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40207 Re: Tangerine leaves detailed concert list Armin Theissen armin_theissen Fri 4/4/2003 8 KB 40208 Re: Tangerine leaves detailed concert list Falcon ppgwave2000 Fri 4/4/2003 2 KB 40210 Re: Tangerine leaves detailed concert list Armin Theissen armin_theissen Fri 4/4/2003 3 KB 40217 Re: Tangerine leaves detailed concert list Jeff Lester tdcrjeff Sat 4/5/2003 2 KB 40214 Re: Tangerine leaves detailed concert list John Vertical omegatransfinito Fri 4/4/2003 3 KB 40232 Re: Tangerine leaves detailed concert list Heiko Heerssen td_freak Mon 4/7/2003 4 KB From: René Brenner Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 12:51 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine leaves announcement (long post) --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Heiko Heerssen > REDBOOK/ SHN: it seems we will need less 'branches' this time for > redbook CDs than we have for 'TT'. I haven't made up my mind yet about > the distribution via SHN discs (I'm more the 'standalone burner' guy who > knows absolutely nothing about shn/ftp etc. ;-) , so this needs some > further discussion and help is appreciated. Hi, SHN is absolutely necessary these days ;-) From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine leaves detailed concert list Hi, I'd be interested in this tree, for I was sitting next to the bootlegger in Aachen and you can hear me and my cousin talking all the time... #-) armin Heiko Heerssen wrote: > Here is some more detailed information: > > Volume 1: London Dominion Theatre 06 November 1982, 2 CDR, 117 min. > -> master tape copy, remastered by (Side Effects). The music is > identical to TT#2, Vol. 12 Croydon 1982. As most of you will know the > 'Logos' album was taken from this performance, and you can still hear > the 'Tangerine Dream!' introduction (the 'Dominion in London, thanks for > being patient. Please welcome..' is missing here) Although the sound > quality isn't on par with that of Croydon 82 it's nevertheless the best > sounding recording from this show, and I would rate it 7/10 for sound > quality (music 10/10 :-) As a bonus we included an excerpt from the > soundcheck, a groovy improvisation which lasts for 8+ minutes. > > Volume 2: Burg Nideggen Eifel-Festspiele 24 August 2002, 1 CDR, 79 min. > --> the music was taken from the I-NET TV webcast, so the sound quality > is very good (9/10 maybe). The music is pretty much identical to the > 'Inferno' TDI release, but I'm sure that those who like the music will > also find this concert interesting :-) > > Volume 3: York Minster 20 October 1975, 1 CDR, 79 min. > --> this recording will come as a big surprise because it is the REAL > York Minster show which so far has been heard by only very few people. > The tape that was circulating as York is in fact Manchester Hardrock 19 > October 1975. York Minster is a master tape copy which has been > remastered by '3N', and what a great job he did (because the original > had a very poor sound and was in a bad condition) Although the sound > quality still isn't better than maybe 5-6/10, the slower, non-sequenced > parts are truly mindblowing and belong to the best I have heard from > that tour. Especially the first 8-9 minutes of the encore are just > *incredible* and gives me goosebumps each time I hear it, as does the > first 13 minutes of Track 1. > > Volume 4: Toronto Massey Hall 01 September 1988, 2 CDRs, 118 min. > --> For the 'Tangerine Tree' we will most certainly release the New > Haven 9.9.88 soundboard tape, but until then this will be the first tree > recording from the 'Optical race' tour. Sound quality is close to 8/10, > and this was the concert were they had a power outage for a couple of > minutes during 'Marakesh', that's why it's only 1.01 minutes long :-) > Remastered by (Side Effects). > > Volume 5: Brussels Cirque Royal 17 March 1978, 2 CDRs, 92 min. > --> most collectors will know that 1978 wasn't a good year for audience > recordings, nearly all of them had a rather bad sound quality and only 3 > or 4 tapes were ok (but still miles away from recordings like for > example Nottingham 76, TT#1 Vol.1) Brussels Cirque Royal makes no > difference, sound quality is not better than 5-6/10. But it has been > remastered straight from the master tape and IMO it was one of TD's > better performances (there were some gigs during the 'Cyclone' tour > where the word 'untogether' would have been a compliment ;-) For those > who like Cyclone it's worth a try. Remastered by (Side Effects). > > Volume 6: Coventry Cathedral 04 October 1975, 2 CDRs, 90 min. > --> a master tape recording of TD's first gig during their UK tour, > remastered by (Side Effects). Sound quality is maybe 5/10 only, but > still it is interesting for those who love the old TD mellotron sound. > The first track is very atmospheric and non-sequenced , the second and > longest track however has lots of variety..I'd really love to hear ED's > tape (in case it still exists). Thanks again to Chris W. for recording > and sharing :-) > > Volume 7: Aachen Eurogress 21 January 1981, 2 CDRs, 108 min. > --> another great sounding recording from the European 1981 tour, and a > very special gig too. To quote Scott Plumer's 'Mysterious semblance: a > TD chronology': 'During an encore, the band left the stage, letting the > sequencers continue to play to a bemused audience. When the band > returned, they were wearing gorilla suits! Franke's mask was on upside > down. After walking around the stage, waving to the audience, they > returned to their positions and finished the show so clad' Remastered > by Analogue dreams. > > Volume 8: Dublin National Stadium 01 November 1980, 2 CDRs, 106 min. > --> sound quality ca 7/10, remastered by (Side Effects). A great concert > which everyone seems to have enjoyed. Great keyboard solos (by Johannes > Schmoelling?) Also has a very interesting piano improvisation on Disc 1 > where Schmoelling is playing a theme most of you will know, and which > caused a big roar from the crowd. > > Volume 9: Berlin Reichstagsgelände 29 August 1981, 2 CDR, 94 min. > --> surely one, if not THE noisiest TD audience recording ever. This was > a 'free concert for nuclear disarmament and world peace' which was held > at the Platz der Republik. The music though is quite interesting as TD > played some tracks from the Wavelength soundtrack two years before its > release. Remastered by (Side Effects), sound quality ca. 7/10. > > Volume 10 & 11: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30 November 1996, 3 CDRs, > 192 min. > --> here you get almost everything: the complete DAT recording, all four > excerpts from the 'Radio Eins Elektrobeats' Shepherds Bush special in > studio sound quality, plus two tracks from the soundcheck. Sound quality > is also very good to excellent. Remastered by (Side Effects). > > Volume 12: Ottawa National Arts Center 20 June 1986, 2 CDRs, 106 min. > --> a very good recording of a great concert which also has less talking > than Laguna Hills TT Vol. 24. Sound quality 7-8/10, remastered by (Side > Effects). I love everything TD played during the 'Underwater sunlight' > tour, so you will never hear any complaints from me :-) > > Heiko > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40208 Re: Tangerine leaves detailed concert list Falcon ppgwave2000 Fri 4/4/2003 2 KB From: Falcon Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 1:03 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine leaves detailed concert list Hi, At 03:03 PM 4/4/2003, you wrote: >I'd be interested in this tree, for I was sitting next to the >bootlegger in Aachen and you can hear me and my cousin >talking all the time... #-) i'm wondering, if you're the 'werewolf' guy who was howling all the time ;-) Ramon From: 'Rundgren, Olof (STOPT)' Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 1:20 pm Subject: Mota Atma - the Prequel? Here's an awkward story, to lighten up this chilly Friday afternoon: The other day I passed a fair in a suburb of Stockholm. At one spot there was a young guy selling CDs and I just glanced through what he had. To my great surprise there was a CD called Mota Atma with Tangerine Dream. Cover Picture looked familiar but there was no track info on the back. It was wrapped in plastic so I couldn't look at the disc. It seems as the vendor present wasn't the owner of the discs because all the info I could get out of him was that 'It is a bootleg'. I couldn't buy it either as he wanted 300 SEK for it and at the time I didn't have that in my pocket and honestly don't know if I would have payed it even if I had (The teaser-track on the Astoria single didn't make me long for the new release, sorry). Am I the first here to spot an item like this or..? Olle From: Armin Theissen Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 1:37 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine leaves detailed concert list eh, Heiko already asked me (in private) whether I was jodelling. Hey, I may not have been the only one in the audible surroundings of the bootlegger who was making noise. I was not howling or jodelling or anything like that, but just once in a while talking and occasionally laughing (especially at that gorilla-mask incident) I also have three pictures of the concert on the web. Go to http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/tadream.html and look for 'photos' and 'Aachen 81' I also have slides but not on the web. armin Falcon wrote: > Hi, > > At 03:03 PM 4/4/2003, you wrote: > >I'd be interested in this tree, for I was sitting next to the > >bootlegger in Aachen and you can hear me and my cousin > >talking all the time... #-) > > i'm wondering, if you're the 'werewolf' guy who was howling all the time ;-) > > Ramon > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40217 Re: Tangerine leaves detailed concert list Jeff Lester tdcrjeff Sat 4/5/2003 2 KB From: 'Tom Richmond' Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 3:03 pm Subject: Between the Stars, tribute CDR tree Last call for sign-ups for the 'Between the Stars' tribute CDR If you're interested please a message with the following info to trichmond@b...: Name City/State/Country preferred status, Leaf or Branch (if you wish to be a branch, let me know how many copies you can do) Thanks! Tom ________________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you received this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and such actions may be unlawful. From: shez@a... Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 3:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Collection Sale I don't believe someone who have many of these CD's will pay a so high price to get only the rare items. And I don't believe too that someone who don't know the band will pay that much for a full collection. After, all, it's not fun in my opinion to get the collection of someone, collecting is something very personal and must be done during the time. On Wed, 02 Apr 2003 14:44:05 +0200, you wrote: >I guess that if I would send: >'over 120 CD’s ,18 Videos, 75 Cassettes, 3 T -Shirts, and 24 Solo Member Cd’s >,History of TD Book , and a Reference Guide' [quote] to someone living outside >of Europe, it would already cost me US$3000 for paying the airmail postage >~LOL~ >Some of the stuff is really very rare, but I doubt that someone will use the >'buy it now' option. And the 'imported CD' list is a bit..erm...well :-) > >> It must be. I see Peter Raven has bid on it. > >well I fear that $100 is just a bit too low to meet the guy's reserve price ;-) > >Heiko > > > >----------------------------------------------------_- >To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com >----------------------------------------------------_- >Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at >http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > >Tangerine Tree info at >http://www.tadream.net/tree > >Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > From: christopher.christou@b... Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 10:15 am Subject: RE: [tadream] TT 3 Trade request Hello All, This is in fact my first post to the group, although I have been a member for some months now, and have followed the recent posts with much interest. I would be very interested in a set of the TT3 discs, and would be prepared to trade or perhaps B&P, if any kind soul is able to help. I have only modem access, and at the time of treeing was unable to participate. I would very much appreciate any help with this. Please mail me off-list if anyone can help. Thanks Regards Chris C From: 'John Vertical' Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 5:20 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine leaves detailed concert list Hi Heiko, could you please further specify a few things..? >Volume 1: London Dominion Theatre 06 November 1982 >--an excerpt from the >soundcheck, a groovy improvisation which lasts for 8+ minutes. 'Excerpt'? Does this mean that there actually is more than those 8 minutes? >Volume 7: Aachen Eurogress 21 January 1981 Is this in any significant way, for example keyboard-solo-vise, different from TT14? >Volume 9: Berlin Reichstagsgelände 29 August 1981 >--> surely one, if not THE noisiest TD audience recording ever. Does 'noisy' mean 'people shouting to buddies on the other side of the venue' or 'tape hiss going Snap Crackle & Pop'? thanks. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 helps eliminate e-mail viruses. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 6:37 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream-Croyden 31,10,82 This surely must be one of their all time best,it gives me an incredible buzz everytime i listen,no wonder they were the GREATEST. Tangerine Dream-its just like the first night you meet your wife.UNTOUCHABLE. NP Royal Albert Hall 2,4,75. Probably the Greatest concert of all time,they were just to good. From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Apr 4, 2003 9:57 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #315 for April 3, 2003 EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #315 April 3, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I began a month-long focus on vidnaObmana, an international ambient artist from Belgium who will play an in-studio radio concert on the April 17th broadcast of EMUSIC and a concert at the next Soundscapes in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on April 19. The Featured CD at Midnight was 'Act One: Echoes of Steel' on the Hypnos label from the ongoing work, 'An Opera for Four Fusion Works.' The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Pictures at an Exhibition' by Tomita on RCA Red Seal. I played the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson who will be at the next Gathering on April 12 in Philadelphia. I also played the music of Jason Sloan who, with Matt Borghi, will appears on the same bill with vidnaObmana at the Gate to Moonbase Alpha on April 18 also in Philadelphia. vidnaObmana http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#apr Soundscapes, Gathering, Gate to Moonbase Alpha, Vir Unis and James Johnson, Sloan Sloan and Matt Borghi http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/events.html PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Tomita Promenade Pictures at an Exhibition (RCA Red Seal) Tomita The Gnome Pictures at an Exhibition (RCA Red Seal) Joint Intelligence Ed Wood Grow (Bogus Focus) Committee John Lakveet Anabasis Epikus (Groove) The 10th Planet A Trip to the Registry The Man Who Never Was (none) of Motor Vehicles Vir Unis and Cartesian Plane 3 Perimeter (In the Bubble Music James Johnson and Zero Music) Umlaut Tiny Pushing Circles A Sketch in the Earth (Space for Music) Darshan Ambient Wanting The Zen Master's Diary (none) Jason Sloan Towards Some Inward A Quiet Return (Grey Area Light Studio Recordings) 12:00 am vidnaObmana IV Echoes of Steel (Hypnos) vidnaObmana V Echoes of Steel (Hypnos) vidnaObmana III Echoes of Steel (Hypnos) vidnaObmana II Echoes of Steel (Hypnos) vidnaObmana I Echoes of Steel (Hypnos) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on vidnaObmana. The Featured CD at Midnight will be 'Spore' on the Release label. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Ages,' an LP by Edgar Froese on Virgin Records. I will also play the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson as well as Matt Borghi and Jason Sloan who will be appearing at area concerts in April. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jeff Lester' Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 12:02 am Subject: Re: Tangerine leaves detailed concert list --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Armin Theissen wrote: > I also have three pictures of the concert on the web. > Go to http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/tadream.html and > look for 'photos' and 'Aachen 81' Neat photos. One minor point, the guitar in front of Edgar that you can only see the neck and headstock of does indeed look like a Gibson Les Paul, but the other doesn't look like a Gibson. The one that you can see part of the red body between the monitor speakers looks like a Hamer. Kind of like this one: http://www.gmwguitars.com/miscphoto/hamer.jpg -Jeff Lester From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 12:09 am Subject: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > Just like 'TT' this tree will require another database and a sign-up > procedure, and Maff already promised me to take care of it. He will will > set up the database and post a follow-up message very soon, telling > everyone how this tree will function and how to sign up. And here are those signup instructions. As Heiko has already mentioned, Tangerine Leaves #1 will consist of a whopping 21 CDR's, and we are assuming that most people will want to pick and choose only the volumes that interest them the most. Therefore, like the Classic Tree you'll all have the option to nominate the volumes you would like to receive when you sign up. You can have them all of course, or just a handful or even just one. Below is the list of concerts for TL1; please note the volume numbers next to each one: --> Volume 1: London Dominion Theatre 06 November 1982 --> Volume 2: Burg Nideggen 24 August 2002 --> Volume 3: York Minster 20 October 1975 --> Volume 4: Toronto Massey Hall 01 September 1988 --> Volume 5: Brussels Cirque Royal 17 March 1978 --> Volume 6: Coventry Cathedral 04 October 1975 --> Volume 7: Aachen Eurogress 21 January 1981 --> Volume 8: Dublin National Stadium 01 November 1980 --> Volume 9: Berlin Reichstag 29 August 1981 --> Volume 10: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30 November 1996 Pt 1 --> Volume 11: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30 November 1996 Pt 2 --> Volume 12: Ottawa Performing Arts Center 20 June 1986 To sign up as part of Tangerine Leaves #1, visit the Yahoo groups database page located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database , where you'll find a database marked 'Tangerine Leaves 1 - Sign Up'. Click the database, and then select Add Record and enter the following details: Full Name - E-Mail - a suitable email address your supplier can contact you at. Location - Branch/Leaf - whether you will take part as a branch or a leaf. # Leaves - the number of leaves you will support as a branch. Redbook/SHN - your preferred format. Preferred Supplier - if you have a preferred supplier that you have dealt with before, who is taking part in TL1, I'll attempt to match you up in the tree. Be warned though, I'm making no promises. Volumes - list the volumes you want to receive, using the volume numbers in the list above. Example: If you want just Dominion 82, Toronto 88 and Brussels 78, enter '1,4,5'. If you want them all, just enter 'all'. A few notes: o If you are unable to use the database for some reason, e-mail me your details to and I'll add you to the database. If you can use the database though, please do so. o Permanent Tangerine Tree participants will NOT be automatically added to TL1. This is a very different project, so if you want to take part you'll need to sign up again . o If you are signing up as a branch, _please_ consider seriously how many leaves you can support. We'd rather have a reliable branch supporting one or two leaves than an unreliable branch offering to support five leaves. o Anyone with band photos, especially ones from the concerts in TL1, feel free to email them to me for inclusion in the covers. You'll get a credit. :-). Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40220 Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Sat 4/5/2003 2 KB 40222 Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions jarek@w... jerryplpl Sat 4/5/2003 6 KB 40226 Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions Éric Rochon Sun 4/6/2003 2 KB 40233 Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions Georg Oppenberg goppenbe Mon 4/7/2003 2 KB 40238 Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions michael_berling michael_berling Mon 4/7/2003 3 KB 40270 Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions Georg Oppenberg goppenbe Wed 4/9/2003 3 KB 40272 Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Wed 4/9/2003 2 KB 40279 Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions jarek@w... jerryplpl Wed 4/9/2003 4 KB 40275 Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Wed 4/9/2003 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 1:09 am Subject: Tangerine Leaves > >Volume 9: Berlin Reichstagsgelände 29 August 1981 > >--> surely one, if not THE noisiest TD audience recording ever. > >Does 'noisy' mean 'people shouting to buddies on the other side of the >venue' or 'tape hiss going Snap Crackle & Pop'? Astoundingly loud audience participation/noise. You'd think it were a football (soccer) match. And that's before the fireworks start going off. Still the music is nice. :) -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40228 Tangerine Leaves Felna Greymane greymane98 Sun 4/6/2003 2 KB 40230 Re: Tangerine Leaves Heiko Heerssen td_freak Mon 4/7/2003 2 KB From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 3:43 am Subject: Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote: > o Anyone with band photos, especially ones from the concerts in TL1, feel free > to email them to me for inclusion in the covers. You'll get a credit. :-). > > > Maff Is there going to be slipcase/box artwork? For 12 discs, that would be pretty big, not to mention difficult to print out. TT3 with 10 discs was hard enough, it just barely fit on a sheet of Super B paper, and that was with little room for overlap. Might I suggest two slipcases for 6 discs each? Of course, a big slipcase would be a good excuse to buy that 32 foot roll of inkjet paper I've been meaning to get to print out those huge panoramas. From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 6:17 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Franke or Baumann? Very nice web page! I also checked out Pavel's site with your link and it seems to me there is an error. The very last picture has the caption of Franke being at the instrument, but...it looks very much like Baumann instead to me. Franke always wore glasses and his hair is darker. Anybody else agree? 8-Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: Armin Theissen >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine leaves detailed concert list >Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:37:12 +0100 > >I also have three pictures of the concert on the web. >Go to http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/tadream.html and >look for 'photos' and 'Aachen 81' > >I also have slides but not on the web. > >armin _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40239 Re: Franke or Baumann? Armin Theissen armin_theissen Mon 4/7/2003 4 KB From: Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 7:12 am Subject: RE: [tadream] Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions Hi folks, Just a quick question before signing up: are you going to make the SHN's downloadable? For people having a fixed internet connection this is the best way to get the CD's. And the covers, of course... cheers __________________________ Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.klausmusic.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Matthew Sawyer [mailto:matthewsawyer@b...] > Sent: Saturday, April 05, 2003 2:09 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions > > > From: 'Heiko Heerssen' > > > Just like 'TT' this tree will require another database and a sign-up > > procedure, and Maff already promised me to take care of it. > He will will > > set up the database and post a follow-up message very soon, telling > > everyone how this tree will function and how to sign up. > > > And here are those signup instructions. > > As Heiko has already mentioned, Tangerine Leaves #1 will > consist of a whopping > 21 CDR's, and we are assuming that most people will want to > pick and choose only > the volumes that interest them the most. Therefore, like the > Classic Tree you'll > all have the option to nominate the volumes you would like to > receive when you > sign up. You can have them all of course, or just a handful > or even just one. > Below is the list of concerts for TL1; please note the volume > numbers next to > each one: > > --> Volume 1: London Dominion Theatre 06 November 1982 > --> Volume 2: Burg Nideggen 24 August 2002 > --> Volume 3: York Minster 20 October 1975 > --> Volume 4: Toronto Massey Hall 01 September 1988 > --> Volume 5: Brussels Cirque Royal 17 March 1978 > --> Volume 6: Coventry Cathedral 04 October 1975 > --> Volume 7: Aachen Eurogress 21 January 1981 > --> Volume 8: Dublin National Stadium 01 November 1980 > --> Volume 9: Berlin Reichstag 29 August 1981 > --> Volume 10: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30 November 1996 Pt 1 > --> Volume 11: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30 November 1996 Pt 2 > --> Volume 12: Ottawa Performing Arts Center 20 June 1986 > > > To sign up as part of Tangerine Leaves #1, visit the Yahoo > groups database page > located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database , > where you'll find a > database marked 'Tangerine Leaves 1 - Sign Up'. Click the > database, and then > select Add Record and enter the following details: > > Full Name - > E-Mail - a suitable email address your supplier can contact you at. > Location - > Branch/Leaf - whether you will take part as a branch or a leaf. > # Leaves - the number of leaves you will support as a branch. > Redbook/SHN - your preferred format. > Preferred Supplier - if you have a preferred supplier that > you have dealt with > before, who is taking part in TL1, I'll attempt to match you > up in the tree. Be > warned though, I'm making no promises. > Volumes - list the volumes you want to receive, using the > volume numbers in the > list above. Example: If you want just Dominion 82, Toronto 88 > and Brussels 78, > enter '1,4,5'. If you want them all, just enter 'all'. > > > A few notes: > > o If you are unable to use the database for some reason, > e-mail me your details > to and I'll add > you to the > database. If you can use the database though, please do so. > > o Permanent Tangerine Tree participants will NOT be > automatically added to TL1. > This is a very different project, so if you want to take part > you'll need to > sign up again . > > o If you are signing up as a branch, _please_ consider > seriously how many leaves > you can support. We'd rather have a reliable branch > supporting one or two leaves > than an unreliable branch offering to support five leaves. > > o Anyone with band photos, especially ones from the concerts > in TL1, feel free > to email them to me for inclusion in the covers. You'll get a > credit. :-). > > > Maff > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'michael_berling' Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 12:21 pm Subject: TT3 for trade Hi folks, I still have a complete set of TT3-Rebbook-CDs for trade (17 TDK CD- R). I have done them directly from the SHN set I had created from Heiko's master discs for TT3 to check the set for completeness before distribution. I prefer to offer the set to someone inside Germany due to lower postage cost -- otherwise I'd like to do a trade for some interesting non-TD material. [An die deutschen Leser: Ich bevorzuge eine Erstattung meiner Kosten für Rohlinge und Porto durch eine Banküberweisung.] Please contact me off-list -- thanks. Regards, Michael From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Apr 5, 2003 3:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] TD references in unexpected places At 2003.04.02-16:29, Owens, James wrote: >I built an RPG adventure based on the opening words (the vocoder voice) to >'Bent Cold Sidewalk'. > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: John Vertical [mailto:johnvertical@h...] > > > I'm building an RPG and throwing in things like Cinnamon Road, Goblins' > Club, Twin Soul Tribe... A few years back I had a gaming group that ran an RPG based in the Star Trek universe, we all took turns GM-ing. My adventure had the crew transporting a group of performers called 'The Dream' fronted by a chap by the name of Salvador Froese to a post first contact cultural exchange 'contest' in the UFP's bid to win import/export rights. The people of this planet used music and performance to settle conflicts and to honour the dearly departed. While I was running the part of the concert taking place I had _Green Desert_ playing in the background. Fortunately for the Federation, the Ferengi's taste in music, let alone performance leaves a lot to be desired. Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: René Brenner Date: Sun Apr 6, 2003 2:39 am Subject: Tangerine Leaves SHN Root I'm glad to see Michael offering to be the SHN root again, he really did an outstanding job last time! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40237 Re: Tangerine Leaves SHN Root michael_berling michael_berling Mon 4/7/2003 3 KB From: Éric Rochon Date: Sun Apr 6, 2003 1:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions Hi Matthew Could you add my name to the tree ? Regard Éric From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Sun Apr 6, 2003 1:50 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Most well known movie songs Hey gang, My search for TD movie music ended up in this inclusion in my radio programme yesterday (could have used more TD, but wanted a variety of artists): Clayton / Mullen: Mission Impossible theme Klaus Doldinger: Das Boot Vangelis: Theme from Antarctica JM Jarre: La Chanson des Granges Brulees Hans Zimmer: Broken Arrow theme John Carpenter: Helloween 2 (theme song) Tangerine Dream: Love on a real train Michel Rubini: Graham's theme Alan Silvestri: Delta Force theme Fabio Frizzi: Apoteosi del Mistero Goblin: Sleepwalking Harold Faltermeyer: Mick's Broadcast Peter Best: Crocodile Dundee (end theme) Craig Padilla: Dark Woods (main theme) Vangelis: Blade Runner end titles Glenn From: Felna Greymane Date: Sun Apr 6, 2003 10:49 pm Subject: Tangerine Leaves How much improvement (if any) is there in Vol 10 & 11 (Shepherd's Bush) over Persistence of vision? POV was pretty clean to start with. Jeff From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 2:45 am Subject: OT: It has been pretty quiet this weekend Everybody must be busy as it is very quiet this weekend Robert Asmus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40243 Re: OT: It has been pretty quiet this weekend Administrator dale1kay Mon 4/7/2003 3 KB From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 6:37 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Leaves > How much improvement (if any) is there in Vol 10 & 11 (Shepherd's Bush) > over Persistence of vision? POV was pretty clean to start with. less hiss, more bass...I think you will like it :-) Heiko From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 6:45 am Subject: TT1 trade request from Argentina I received an email from an Argentine TD fan who would like to receive the TT1 discs from me. Since the postage costs are a bit heavy here in Germany ($9 airmail for TT1) I'm therefore asking if some Argentine Tadream member (or from surrrounding countries like Brazil or Chile) who already has TT1 can get in touch with me, so that he can arrange a trade with him. Heiko From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 8:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine leaves detailed concert list > >Volume 1: London Dominion Theatre 06 November 1982 > >--an excerpt from the > >soundcheck, a groovy improvisation which lasts for 8+ minutes. > > 'Excerpt'? Does this mean that there actually is more than those 8 minutes? the soundcheck also contains two versions of 'Midnight in Tula'. > >Volume 7: Aachen Eurogress 21 January 1981 > > Is this in any significant way, for example keyboard-solo-vise, different > from TT14? well the music is basically the same as TT14, however there is still some variation in the keyboard solos, most noticeably during 'Calymba Caly' and 'Thermal inversion'. Especially for the 1980/81 world tour I think that every good sounding concert is worth having because there was still room for some variation and improvisation (imo this was quite different during the 'Logos' tour where every concert sounded almost 100% identical) > >Volume 9: Berlin Reichstagsgelände 29 August 1981 > >--> surely one, if not THE noisiest TD audience recording ever. > > Does 'noisy' mean 'people shouting to buddies on the other side of the > venue' or 'tape hiss going Snap Crackle & Pop'? lots of stupid and most probably drunken fans who scream 'Hinsetzen' (sit down) all the time. Even worse than the two stoned guys (although at least one of them wore a TD t-shirt I'd rather not call them fans ;-) who kept dancing and talking left to me during the almost entire London Astoria 2003 gig. Heiko From: 'Georg Oppenberg' Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 8:43 am Subject: RE: RE: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions Hi Jerry, I will gladly offer my fast FTP server ftp://tl.rondua.de for SHN download. This worked well for TT3 in cooperation with Michael Berling, so I think we're a good team now and get this up very quickly! Cheers Georg > Hi folks, > > Just a quick question before signing up: are you going to > make the SHN's downloadable? For people having a fixed > internet connection this is the best way to get the CD's. And > the covers, of course... > > cheers > > __________________________ > Jarek 'Jerry' > mailto:jarek@w... > Visit my websites at: > http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > http://www.klausmusic.pl/ > http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40238 Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions michael_berling michael_berling Mon 4/7/2003 3 KB From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 9:07 am Subject: edgar froese cds hi all i am having to let go more of my collection so i have put up on ebay my entire Edgar Froese cd collection it can be found here :- http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2521863958 There is a Reserve on this Auction. The Macular Transfer is the original Manikan Release not the Grey Bootleg floating around. happy Bidding :-))) Thanks Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk www.tangerine-dream.co.uk MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 10:01 am Subject: Classic Tree Box Covers Hello folks, I have received my copies of cle Classic Tree (Thanx to René) and i have the following question: Is there exists some covers for a box-set same as tt1, tt2 or tt3 ? Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards Edgar Rainer Berberich ------------------------------------------------------------- Über das Internet versandte E-mails können leicht verfälscht oder unter fremdem Namen erstellt werden. Demzufolge müssen wir zu Ihrer und unserer Sicherheit die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit der vorstehenden Erklärungen ausschließen. Der Versand von E-mail dient somit ausschließlich dem Informationsaustausch. Due to the fact that E-mails are prone to manipulation and can be misleading as to the identity of the sender, the foregoing statements and comments shall have no legal validity. This is for your own protection as well as ours. Thus, E-mails shall be sent for information purposes only. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40236 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers matthewsawyer matthewsawyer Mon 4/7/2003 2 KB 40241 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Mon 4/7/2003 2 KB 40242 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers matthewsawyer matthewsawyer Mon 4/7/2003 2 KB 40254 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Tue 4/8/2003 3 KB 40269 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers William Campbell jigsaw1965 Wed 4/9/2003 3 KB 40263 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Tue 4/8/2003 2 KB 40264 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Tue 4/8/2003 2 KB 40282 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers John Vertical omegatransfinito Thu 4/10/2003 3 KB 40283 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers matthewsawyer matthewsawyer Thu 4/10/2003 3 KB From: 'matthewsawyer' Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 10:15 am Subject: Re: Classic Tree Box Covers --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, edgar-rainer.berberich@g... wrote: > Hello folks, > > I have received my copies of cle Classic Tree (Thanx to René) and i have > the following question: > Is there exists some covers for a box-set same as tt1, tt2 or tt3 ? You can download the available covers from these links: http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdtree/ct_20th.zip http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdtree/ct_antarktis.zip http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdtree/ct_berlin.zip http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdtree/ct_cologne.zip http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdtree/ct_liveimprov.zip http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdtree/ct_strangeatt.zip http://www.matthewsawyer.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk/tdtree/ct_trs.zip Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40241 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Mon 4/7/2003 2 KB 40242 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers matthewsawyer matthewsawyer Mon 4/7/2003 2 KB 40254 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Tue 4/8/2003 3 KB 40269 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers William Campbell jigsaw1965 Wed 4/9/2003 3 KB From: 'michael_berling' Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 12:59 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Leaves SHN Root --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, René Brenner wrote: > I'm glad to see Michael offering to be the SHN root again, he really > did an outstanding job last time! Thanks, René! :-) To all: I will receive most of the masters from Heiko this week and will start preparing the SHNs then. One note about the SHN discs: Most probably it will be necessary once again to split some volumes (like in TT2 and TT3) to reduce the number of SHN discs. This might cause some inconvenience to those SHN branches whose descendants want their discs in SHN format, but don't want all volumes. Thus I'd like to suggest that all tree members who want to get their SHN via disc (not via download) should order the complete set instead of single volumes. As far as I see, those who have currently signed in for SHN discs did all sign in for the full set. :-) Anyway, I'll try to split as few volumes as possible. I'll keep you informed about the number of discs needed asap. I'd like to include the cover artwork again, on condition that Maff is able to finish his work until distribution starts. Regards, Michael From: 'michael_berling' Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 1:04 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Georg Oppenberg' wrote: > Hi Jerry, > > I will gladly offer my fast FTP server ftp://tl.rondua.de for SHN > download. This worked well for TT3 in cooperation with Michael Berling, > so I think we're a good team now and get this up very quickly! > > Cheers > Georg That's fine with me. I'll send Georg one of the SHN sets as soon as they are complete. Thanks, Georg, for your offer. I think your service is highly appreciated by many list members! Regards Michael > > > Hi folks, > > > > Just a quick question before signing up: are you going to > > make the SHN's downloadable? For people having a fixed > > internet connection this is the best way to get the CD's. And > > the covers, of course... > > > > cheers > > > > __________________________ > > Jarek 'Jerry' > > mailto:jarek@w... > > Visit my websites at: > > http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ > > http://www.klausmusic.pl/ > > http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ From: Armin Theissen Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 1:24 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Franke or Baumann? Oh I'm sure there are tons of dead links and the one or other mistake. Since I work for SUN Microsystems, I don't have any time. But I quit soon... ;-) a. Adele Outland wrote: > Very nice web page! I also checked out Pavel's site with your link and it > seems to me there is an error. The very last picture has the caption of > Franke being at the instrument, but...it looks very much like Baumann > instead to me. Franke always wore glasses and his hair is darker. Anybody > else agree? 8-Dell > > > > As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. > > > > > > >>From: Armin Theissen >>Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >>To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >>Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine leaves detailed concert list >>Date: Fri, 04 Apr 2003 14:37:12 +0100 >> >>I also have three pictures of the concert on the web. >>Go to http://star.arm.ac.uk/~ath/td/tadream.html and >>look for 'photos' and 'Aachen 81' >> >>I also have slides but not on the web. >> >>armin >> > > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen From: olle.rundgren@s... Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 2:51 pm Subject: Mota Atma To those who wrote to me off-list after my Mota Atma-message; I'll get back to You within a few days. Thanks /Olle From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 3:13 pm Subject: Re: Classic Tree Box Covers --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'matthewsawyer' wrote: > > You can download the available covers from these links: > I worked up some more artwork for this set in anticipation of getting the discs in trade, want a look at them? I did discs, back covers, and inside tray art. I wanted to use all clear cases for this set, so I gave them a similar appearance, but kept any exisiting art intact. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40242 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers matthewsawyer matthewsawyer Mon 4/7/2003 2 KB 40254 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Tue 4/8/2003 3 KB 40269 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers William Campbell jigsaw1965 Wed 4/9/2003 3 KB From: 'matthewsawyer' Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 3:24 pm Subject: Re: Classic Tree Box Covers --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'dweller_benthos' wrote: > I worked up some more artwork for this set in anticipation of > getting the discs in trade, want a look at them? Sure, I'd be interested to see them. Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40254 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Tue 4/8/2003 3 KB 40269 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers William Campbell jigsaw1965 Wed 4/9/2003 3 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 3:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: It has been pretty quiet this weekend I am still moving into new house, unpacking, fixing things trying to set things up etc. Just not much time for the TD channel. I do miss it. Just before I can play, I got to do a bit of work. I bet there are a many more working too for the spring clean and all. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Robert Asmus' To: 'Tangerine Dream Tree' Sent: Sunday, April 06, 2003 7:45 PM Subject: [tadream] OT: It has been pretty quiet this weekend > Everybody must be busy as it is very quiet this weekend > > > > > > Robert Asmus > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 4:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: CSA Actually NASA works with CSA hardware a lot. Canadarm II (the arm on the Internation Space Station) is an incredible feat of engineering. It can connect at either end, so it can 'inch-worm' from port to port along the station. Absolutely incredible pice of machinery. The Canadians lead the world in robotics, at least in space applications. I believe they are even involved with 'Robonaut' - the prototype robotic astronaut. James > -----Original Message----- > From: Vincent [mailto:vgoudreault@v...] > > Tsk tsk tsk, folks. That's no way to treat us canucks. > Canada was the 3rd country to build a statellite, back in > the early 1960's. Also, the most powerful earth radar > satellite is also Canadian (RadarSat) and everyone should > know about the CanadArm that enable the Space Shuttle > to capture and release satellites, and that is going into its > second generation as the International Space Station > manipulator and maintenance system. > > We may not be as big as the US, but we're there, and we > are trying. From: 'Owens, James' Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:22 pm Subject: OT: Hotbar = spyware Sorry about the off-topic, but I hate spyware... This came through the NASA IT Security office. I've never heard of the program, but it is evidently spyware. > -----Original Message----- > Hotbar (Hotbar.com) is marketed as a program to add graphical 'skins' to > Microsoft Internet Explorer (IE) toolbars, and it also adds its own > toolbar with context-sensitive link/search buttons. In addition to being > available through the Hotbar website, it is also bundled with other free > software, and more recently has been advertised through junk e-mail > purporting to be a Microsoft upgrade to Outlook. > > The Hotbar program sends the address of every web site visited by the user > to controlling Hotbar servers along with a unique ID that enable web usage > habits to be tracked. Some sites are monitored more closely, with full > URLs and/or data entered into forms being sent to Hotbar. Also, the > Hotbar program can silently and, without the user's knowledge, download > and execute arbitrary code at the user's desktop from controlling Hotbar > servers. > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40246 Re: OT: Hotbar = spyware Administrator dale1kay Mon 4/7/2003 4 KB 40248 Re: OT: Hotbar = spyware Jim Moore moxica93 Tue 4/8/2003 2 KB From: 'Administrator' Date: Mon Apr 7, 2003 7:39 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Hotbar = spyware You can add gator to that as well. The free ATT virtual server (similar to pc anywhere)(also open source) is being used in many different ways to be used as spyware and beyond. It is among the common hacker tools now. Use a firewall (zone alarm works great for a software one) or some of the spyware removal tools. Just be careful as some of the tools are also spyware. dale ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Owens, James' To: Sent: Monday, April 07, 2003 12:22 PM Subject: [tadream] OT: Hotbar = spyware > Sorry about the off-topic, but I hate spyware... > > This came through the NASA IT Security office. I've never heard of the > program, but it is evidently spyware. > > > -----Original Message----- > > Hotbar (Hotbar.com) is marketed as a program to add graphical 'skins' to > > Microsoft Internet Explorer (IE) toolbars, and it also adds its own > > toolbar with context-sensitive link/search buttons. In addition to being > > available through the Hotbar website, it is also bundled with other free > > software, and more recently has been advertised through junk e-mail > > purporting to be a Microsoft upgrade to Outlook. > > > > The Hotbar program sends the address of every web site visited by the user > > to controlling Hotbar servers along with a unique ID that enable web usage > > habits to be tracked. Some sites are monitored more closely, with full > > URLs and/or data entered into forms being sent to Hotbar. Also, the > > Hotbar program can silently and, without the user's knowledge, download > > and execute arbitrary code at the user's desktop from controlling Hotbar > > servers. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'VicRek' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 2:59 am Subject: Ricochet Gathering T-Shirt Hi All, This may be off topic, but the Ricochet Gathering is coming up VERY soon (in less than 3 weeks) and I wanted to give a quick preview of the T-Shirt design. The on-topic content is that this is an event to celebrate the EM spirit created by Tangerine Dream. Check it out at: http://www.ricochetdream.com/Mojave_T.jpg See (some of you) there! Vic [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40259 Re: Ricochet Gathering T-Shirt Adele Outland outlanda60 Tue 4/8/2003 3 KB 40273 Re: Ricochet Gathering T-Shirt VicRek kyivmission Wed 4/9/2003 3 KB 40395 Re: Ricochet Gathering T-Shirt VicRek kyivmission Mon 4/21/2003 3 KB From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 3:01 am Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Hotbar = spyware It's also a bear to remove once installed. A lot of the administrative types in our office were spreading this around because they thought it was 'cute'... This program, along with Gator, doubled the traffic on our Internet circuit at work and put our proxy server into high gear... Must destroy where encountered... -----Original Message----- From: Owens, James [mailto:james.owens@m...] Subject: [tadream] OT: Hotbar = spyware Sorry about the off-topic, but I hate spyware... This came through the NASA IT Security office. I've never heard of the program, but it is evidently spyware. From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 7:11 am Subject: Antwort: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree Box Covers Well, it seems to interesting. So please let me take also a look. Please tell me the Website (link). Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards Edgar Rainer Berberich 'dweller_benthos' on 07.04.2003 17:13:30 Bitte antworten an tadream@yahoogroups.com An: tadream@yahoogroups.com Kopie: Thema: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree Box Covers --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'matthewsawyer' wrote: > > You can download the available covers from these links: > I worked up some more artwork for this set in anticipation of getting the discs in trade, want a look at them? I did discs, back covers, and inside tray art. I wanted to use all clear cases for this set, so I gave them a similar appearance, but kept any exisiting art intact. ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ ------------------------------------------------------------- Über das Internet versandte E-mails können leicht verfälscht oder unter fremdem Namen erstellt werden. Demzufolge müssen wir zu Ihrer und unserer Sicherheit die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit der vorstehenden Erklärungen ausschließen. Der Versand von E-mail dient somit ausschließlich dem Informationsaustausch. Due to the fact that E-mails are prone to manipulation and can be misleading as to the identity of the sender, the foregoing statements and comments shall have no legal validity. This is for your own protection as well as ours. Thus, E-mails shall be sent for information purposes only. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40255 Antwort: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree Box Covers dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Tue 4/8/2003 2 KB From: edgar-rainer.berberich@g... Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 7:35 am Subject: CD Covers for Slimline Jewel Cases. Hello Matthew, for the past the covers for TT1, TT2, TT3, Classic Tree and other CDR's are made for the normal Jewel Cases. What do you think about the plan to create the Covers for Slimline Jewel Cases ? For the normal Jewel Cases there are two pics (Front cover and back cover). For the Slimline Jewel Cases there can be a combination of them (double sided cover). Yesterday a friend showed me a Slimline Jewel Case for 2 CD's. So for the TT1 (8 CD's) you need the half place with Slimline Jewel Cases. Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards Edgar Rainer Berberich ------------------------------------------------------------- Über das Internet versandte E-mails können leicht verfälscht oder unter fremdem Namen erstellt werden. Demzufolge müssen wir zu Ihrer und unserer Sicherheit die rechtliche Verbindlichkeit der vorstehenden Erklärungen ausschließen. Der Versand von E-mail dient somit ausschließlich dem Informationsaustausch. Due to the fact that E-mails are prone to manipulation and can be misleading as to the identity of the sender, the foregoing statements and comments shall have no legal validity. This is for your own protection as well as ours. Thus, E-mails shall be sent for information purposes only. From: 'jmpoer' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 12:40 am Subject: Classic Tree Database - Can't Edit I've tried several times to edit my entry on the Classic Tree database, to indicate that I have received my discs. Every time I try, it produces an error, and does not change the entry. I can get to my entry, and get into edit mode, but it won't save. So, FWIW, I have the discs. If anyone knows how to append the entry to the database, let me know. jp Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40262 Re: Classic Tree Database - Can't Edit Matthew Sawyer matthewsawyer Tue 4/8/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 9:34 am Subject: Another obscure reference (No, this is not about penguins.) http://www.theapplecollection.com/iMac/iStore/TangerineDream.html The CD covers look pretty cool, though I suppose they're meant for CD-roms.. :-) John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ Tired of spam? Get advanced junk mail protection with MSN 8. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40258 Re: Another obscure reference Antonio Nunes ajogon Tue 4/8/2003 2 KB From: 'ravnnet' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 11:44 am Subject: Award for Exit on Ebay An Elektra award for selling 500.000 copies of EXIT is on sale at Ebay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll? ViewItem&item=2522000446&indexURL=0#ebayphotohosting Starting at $175... Seller will ship to US only :-( Regards, Peter Ravn From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 12:54 pm Subject: Re: Classic Tree Box Covers --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'matthewsawyer' wrote: > > Sure, I'd be interested to see them. > > > Maff OK, go here: http://home.earthlink.net/~benthonic/ I knew I'd find a use for that free web space eventually. I've got these set up for use with all clear cd cases. These have clear trays as well as clear outer cases. A lot of the newer CD releases in stores have clear trays with artwork underneath. You can sometimes get single clear cases at your local computer or office supply store, but I was having a hard time finding clear double cases. I evetually got both for a decent price (get the unassembled ones, costs less and you don't have to take them apart first to get the tray card in) here: http://www.sleevetown.com/ Specific links for the cases: http://www.sleevetown.com/cd-case-single.shtml http://www.sleevetown.com/double-cd-case.shtml The clear double case is at the bottom of the page. These are not like your average double case, where the whole tray is hinged, but the hinge plate snaps in and holds the tray card in place with separate hinges for the tray itself. These are high quality cases, and I got my shipment very fast, well packaged. I see they now have a 'super case' that is more durable and can hold even more artwork. You can also find practically any other configuration of cd case you could think of here. Have a three or four cd set you want to put in one case? They have it, up to 6 cds in one double wide case. You can even take the clear tray out of a single case, and put it in a double wide 4 cd case for even more artwork display area. I did this with a recent Rush concert release and it turned out great. Hope this helps :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40269 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers William Campbell jigsaw1965 Wed 4/9/2003 3 KB From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 1:00 pm Subject: Antwort: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree Box Covers --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, edgar-rainer.berberich@g... wrote: > > Well, > > it seems to interesting. So please let me take also a look. > Please tell me the Website (link). > > > > Mit freundlichem Grüßen / best regards > > Edgar Rainer Berberich > Sure, anyone is welcome to go here: http://home.earthlink.net/~benthonic/ grab what you want until my bandwidth limit is reached. See also my reply to Maff on cd cases, if you're so inclined. From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 1:14 pm Subject: Soundscapes Concert Series with vidnaObmana The Soundscapes Concert Series proudly presents vidnaObmana in an all ages concert of space music at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island 56 River Street West Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Saturday, April 19, 2003 Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:30 pm FREE Buffet Dinner by Chef Jeff Tickets: $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Soundscapes #4 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music. For the fourth installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series, vidnaObmana will perform a unique concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem on the north bank of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse is a perfect venue for a concert of spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free buffet dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Advance tickets are be available at: Compact Disc Center Speedy's Record Shop 1365 Easton Ave. 1001 Union Blvd. Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Allentown, Pennsylvania 610-868-3070 610-432-8386 and on-line at: http://electro-music.com NOTE: Tickets purchased at the door will be discounted by $3 for those who show their WDIY or WMUH membersip cards or their full time student ID. INFORMATION: http://soundscapes.us CONTACT: Bill Fox billfox@f... 610-746-9615 VIDNAOBMANA: Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one of spacemusic's brightest stars. Using synthesizers, audio processors, and a vast array of exotic instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana creates a complex, layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and sonic atmospheres. The name vidnaObmana means 'optical illusion' in Servo-Croation, a term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during his childhood. He chose this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate how his music correlates sonically with the surreal soundscapes he creates. vidnaObmana is a prolific composer whose diverse body of work ranges from post-industrial through gently atmospheric, to tribal ambient and more. His music slowly shifts through electronic audio imagery, creating extremely personal works of atmospheric delight. Throughout his career, vidnaObmana has explored the abrasive side of electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, international music traditions, and post-classical experimentations. His music has been released widely by many independent labels worldwide, including: Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt and others. A significant portion of vidnaObmana's work has been realized in collaboration with some of the world's most interesting musicians such as Alio Die, Jeff Pearce, Steve Roach, Djen Ajakan Shean, Asmus Tietchens, and Brannan Lane. FLIER: A concert flier is available for download at http://soundscapes.us/flier4_vo.pdf You are encouraged to take an active role in the health of the electronic music scene by printing, displaying, and distributing this flier. Forwarding of this email message helps, too! ROBERT RICH: Robert Rich will come to the Soundscapes Concert Series on Saturday, July 12, 2003. Tickets will be $20 at the door and $17 in advance (on sale starting April 20). Tickets for the July 12 Robert Rich concert which are purchased at the April 19 Soundscapes are $15 only for vidnaObmana ticket-holders. A concert flier for the Robert Rich show is available for download at http://soundscapes.us/flier5_rr.pdf [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'billythefish01' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 2:13 pm Subject: Astoria may close Looks like we were lucky to see TD play live at all! http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/showbiz/articles/4238938 Drugs? What drugs! Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40266 Re: Astoria may close Jim Moore moxica93 Wed 4/9/2003 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 4:09 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Another obscure reference 'John Vertical' wrote: > >http://www.theapplecollection.com/iMac/iStore/TangerineDream.html Interesting. On the 5th row you can see a Tangerine Dream Fan :-) Antonio Nunes np: TT Vol.17 From: 'Adele Outland' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 4:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering T-Shirt That's beautiful!! Who designed it? It's terrific. Will you make enough extras for sale? I want to buy at least one more in large size. Any idea what the cost will be so I can add it to my budget? Thanks. 8-Dell As time slips into memory, memory fades into dreams. >From: 'VicRek' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: >CC: 'TD List' >Subject: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering T-Shirt >Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2003 22:59:02 -0400 > >Hi All, > >This may be off topic, but the Ricochet Gathering is coming up VERY soon >(in less than 3 weeks) and I wanted to give a quick preview of the T-Shirt >design. > >The on-topic content is that this is an event to celebrate the EM spirit >created by Tangerine Dream. > >Check it out at: > >http://www.ricochetdream.com/Mojave_T.jpg > >See (some of you) there! >Vic _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: 'michael leon' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 11:26 am Subject: the keep this is not a tangerine tree inquest so maybe this won't get noticed lol,but to what other album does the keep sound closest to in(if any!!??) and please don't tell me its a mixed combination of other albums,and why would some of its interest be because of the myterious sourroundings if its own release!!?? thx... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40265 Re: the keep Owens, James yxalag2 Tue 4/8/2003 3 KB 40267 Re: the keep Craig Shipley craigashipley Wed 4/9/2003 4 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 5:58 pm Subject: US South-West, Livemiles & 'tang' I was pondering here about the concept of a possible 'southwest' themed sampler. I like samplers. Just completed my Summer one. And, I realized that TD has awfully many albums more or less themed on the American southwest. Come to think of it, besides the obvious two - Canyon Dreams and Oasis - there's at least four more. I count in White Eagle, Wavelenght, Flashpoint and Encore (excluding Monolight). Livemiles part 1, too. -BTW, perhaps some parts of that track are from that film festival gig which Sorcerer and Thief on Antique Dreams claims to originate? --okay, I'm going off at a tangent here so I might as well continue on a completely different issue that just sprang into my mind... I wonder if TD is going to release another 'Tang-' album some day? There's Tangram, Tangent (the track), Tangents and Tang-Go. So what about Tangier, tangas, or entanglement..? //end misc. issues mail John Vertical np: Bondy Parade _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40274 Re: US South-West, Livemiles & 'tang' VicRek kyivmission Wed 4/9/2003 4 KB From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 5:54 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Classic Tree Database - Can't Edit From: 'jmpoer' > I've tried several times to edit my entry on the Classic Tree > database, to indicate that I have received my discs. > > Every time I try, it produces an error, and does not change the entry. > > I can get to my entry, and get into edit mode, but it won't save. > > So, FWIW, I have the discs. If anyone knows how to append the entry > to the database, let me know. I can't edit the Classic Tree database either, and I set it up. The 'Received' field is rather pointless anyway; I'm not checking through the database to see who has their copies because most people can't/don't update their entry. When you get your discs, just let you branch (and leaves, if any) know. Maff From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 6:34 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree Box Covers From: 'dweller_benthos' > http://home.earthlink.net/~benthonic/ Very nice! > A lot of the newer CD releases in > stores have clear trays with artwork underneath. Already planning that for future Trees. :-) Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40264 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Tue 4/8/2003 2 KB From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 7:29 pm Subject: Re: Classic Tree Box Covers --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Matthew Sawyer' wrote: > From: 'dweller_benthos' > > > http://home.earthlink.net/~benthonic/ > > > Very nice! > > Thanks! > > A lot of the newer CD releases in > > stores have clear trays with artwork underneath. > > > Already planning that for future Trees. :-) > > > Maff Excellent, I'll have to stock up on more clear cases then :-) Not to mention more double sided inkjet paper and cd labels. From: 'Owens, James' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 8:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] the keep Much of the music played in the movie comes from 'Logos' (or perhaps the other way around?) Some of the rest of the movie music is unreleased cuts from the same tour. Most of the interest comes from the fact that there was a planned LP release back in 1984... Since a lot of the music on the official TDI release appears to be made with 'modern' instrumentation (sounds that weren't available in 1984), there is a lot of interest in what music was actually on the LP. I suspect that had the Keep actually become widely available on LP, it would just be another obscure TD soundtrack... James > -----Original Message----- > From: michael leon [mailto:pre_sent2002@y...] > > this is not a tangerine tree inquest so maybe this won't get noticed > lol,but to what other album does the keep sound closest to in(if > any!!??) and please don't tell me its a mixed combination of other > albums,and why would some of its interest be because of the myterious > sourroundings if its own release!!?? thx... From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 11:06 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Astoria may close You apparently didn't see the guy standing in front of me... I ask: what 'gun culture'? - jim -----Original Message----- From: billythefish01 [mailto:mudspanker@y...] Looks like we were lucky to see TD play live at all! http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/showbiz/articles/4238938 Drugs? What drugs! From: 'Craig Shipley' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 6:34 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] the keep 'Logos' is about as close as you are gonna get, since the final movement of 'Logos pt. I' was the piece that was featured in the crypt scene. IIRC, all the other music was unique and is not heard elsewhere on any legal release. And I ain't gonna touch the 'release-immediate retraction' controversy with a ten-foot pole... Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: michael leon [mailto:pre_sent2002@y...] > Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 7:27 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] the keep > > > this is not a tangerine tree inquest so maybe this won't get noticed > lol,but to what other album does the keep sound closest to in(if > any!!??) and please don't tell me its a mixed combination of other > albums,and why would some of its interest be because of the myterious > sourroundings if its own release!!?? thx... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Robert Bock Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 8:20 pm Subject: Talking during concerts Laguna 86 Hi everybody, I have been traveling for awhile and was catching up on some old digests when I saw some complaints about the TT, in paricular the Laguna Hills show from 1986 and all the talking going on during the show. The person (jim i think) was wondering what was going on, why were these people talking and did they pay money to go to this show. Well I was at this show actually, and they may not have paid money to go to this show. At the time as I remeber it, one of the local movie chains gave away free ticktets to this show if you bought a certain amount of tickets to a movie. I think the movie was Legend but I'm not sure although it was a movie that TD did the soundtrack to. If I really am remebering right I believe TD played the Universal Ampitheater day or too before and since only 50 miles seperate the two facilites I think the giveaway was because they didn't sell alot of seats for this show. As I call recall only the bottom part of the place was full and everybody was changing seats however we pleased and no one stopped us. So you did get alot of people there that weren't into TD but the ticket was free, it was a nice night, and it beat staying at home... It was a great show though. And I had already bought a ticket. Oh well, RObert From: William Campbell Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 1:29 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree Box Covers Thanks for the info on sleevetown. Fair shipping rates, too. Bill ... > got both for a decent price (get the unassembled ones, costs less and > you don't have to take them apart first to get the tray card in) here: > > http://www.sleevetown.com/ > . From: 'Georg Oppenberg' Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 9:20 am Subject: Re: Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions Hi all, maybe we should insert a new category in the Tree databases: Redbook, SHN and SHN-FTP. Person who chose the latter and offer also to be a branch, don't have to wait for their branch to send them CDs but can download and start burning immidiately after the discs become available. This might make the database more precise and distribution of the music even faster. My server is not too limited and can seed lots of of 'virtual' branches on the tree then. Thougts? Cheers Georg > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Georg Oppenberg' > wrote: > > Hi Jerry, > > > > I will gladly offer my fast FTP server ftp://tl.rondua.de for SHN > > download. This worked well for TT3 in cooperation with Michael > Berling, > > so I think we're a good team now and get this up very quickly! > > > > Cheers > > Georg > > That's fine with me. I'll send Georg one of the SHN sets as soon as > they are complete. > > Thanks, Georg, for your offer. I think your service is highly > appreciated by many list members! > > Regards > Michael Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40272 Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Wed 4/9/2003 2 KB 40279 Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions jarek@w... jerryplpl Wed 4/9/2003 4 KB From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 1:41 pm Subject: clearly ot: robert rich Robert Rich 2003 Summer Tour Dates--if yer interested--clip and save Here's a list of confirmed (*) and unconfirmed (?) dates. *Sunday May 4 - San Francisco, CA Morrison Planetarium opening act: jhno information: www.dub-beautiful.org *Friday May 16 - Piedmont, CA 8:00 PM, Piedmont Yoga Studio Solo Piano Improvisation *Friday June 6 - Scottsdale AZ Kerr Cultural Center The Overtones will play after Robert Rich (They are a just intonation 'reggae' band - really!) *Sunday June 8 - Albuquerque, NM Radio Sleep Concert, Nonsequiter radio arts festival *Sat. June 14 - Atlanta, GA The Eyedrum Opening acts: Lanterna, Envie Renee Nelson (envie@m...) *Tues. June 17 - Asheville, NC Vincents Ear, 9:30 PM (opening act 9 PM) 68B North Lexington, Asheville $6 at the door phone 828-259-9119 Rick Morris (vincentsear@c...) *Fri. June 20 - Pittsburgh PA Rex Theater Opening: Jeff Pearce, Life in Balance *Sunday June 22 Harrisburg, PA, Whitaker Science Center (301 Market Street, Harrisburg PA 17101) Summer Solstice Concert with Steve Roach, Robert Rich, John Serrie, Jeff Pearce Start time 2 :00 PM ? Thur July 10 upstate NY ? Friday July 11 - Baltimore MD *Saturday July 12 - Bethlehem PA IceHouse on Sand Island, Soundscapes #5 56 River Street West Doors open at 7:30 pm, Concert at 8:00 pm (Free Dinner Buffet provided by Chef Jeff - to be confirmed) General Admission $20 at the door, $17 in advance) *Wednesday July 16 - Columbus OH Dragonfly Neo-V Cuisine 247 King Ave., Columbus, OH 43201 Venue ptelephone: 614-298-9986 www.dragonflyneov.com *Friday July 18 - Louisville, KY U of L School of Music Recital Hall opening act: SKL; starting 8:30 Contact: jason@k..., info: www.krack.org ? Sunday July 20 - Chicago, IL ? Tuesday July 22 - Peoria IL *Friday, Saturday July 25, 26 - Denver CO Either two house concerts, or Public Friday, House Saturday. *Saturday August 2 - Seattle WA Secluded Alley Works, 113 12th Ave, Seattle, WA 98122 Info: www.secludedalleyworks.org Contact: glurpseattle@y... (206) 679-9143 _________________________________________________________________ Add photos to your messages with MSN 8. Get 2 months FREE*. http://join.msn.com/?page=features/featuredemail Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40276 Re: clearly ot: robert rich Eric Williamson suitandtieguy Wed 4/9/2003 2 KB From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 2:23 pm Subject: Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions I would definitely prefer to obtain the discs via ftp, especially yours, which is so fast two nights of downloading and it would be done. From: 'VicRek' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 11:04 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering T-Shirt Hi Dell - Well Jakub and I designed it - we've been working on it some time. About 100 T-Shirts will be made. All will be sold at cost - but only to those that attend. I hope the TD fans will join and support us! www.ricochetdream.com And of course you can still join us... Just email me at tangerinedream@h... (but time is running out - just a few days left before the gate is closed) ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Adele Outland' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 12:34 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering T-Shirt > That's beautiful!! Who designed it? It's terrific. Will you make enough > extras for sale? I want to buy at least one more in large size. Any idea > what the cost will be so I can add it to my budget? Thanks. 8-Dell From: 'VicRek' Date: Tue Apr 8, 2003 11:32 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] US South-West, Livemiles & 'tang' Yes - we have a 'REAL' sampler in the making... Just go to www.ricochetdream.com - if you don't get the details from the page - then just email ME if you're serious about having a TIME OF YOUR LIFE! Vic ----- Original Message ----- From: 'John Vertical' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2003 1:58 PM Subject: [tadream] US South-West, Livemiles & 'tang' > I was pondering here about the concept of a possible 'southwest' themed > sampler. I like samplers. Just completed my Summer one. > And, I realized that TD has awfully many albums more or less themed on the > American southwest. Come to think of it, besides the obvious two - Canyon > Dreams and Oasis - there's at least four more. I count in White Eagle, > Wavelenght, Flashpoint and Encore (excluding Monolight). Livemiles part 1, > too. > > -BTW, perhaps some parts of that track are from that film festival gig which > Sorcerer and Thief on Antique Dreams claims to originate? > > --okay, I'm going off at a tangent here so I might as well continue on a > completely different issue that just sprang into my mind... > I wonder if TD is going to release another 'Tang-' album some day? There's > Tangram, Tangent (the track), Tangents and Tang-Go. So what about Tangier, > tangas, or entanglement..? > > //end misc. issues mail > > John Vertical > np: Bondy Parade > > _________________________________________________________________ > The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* > http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 4:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions From: 'Georg Oppenberg' > maybe we should insert a new category in the Tree databases: Redbook, > SHN and SHN-FTP. I've amended the 'format' option on the database to: Redbook/SHN/SHN-FTP. Anyone who has signed up already who would like to change to SHN-FTP, you will most likely need to email me and I will alter your record in the database. Maff From: Eric Williamson Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] clearly ot: robert rich Quoting tei waz : > ? Tuesday July 22 - Peoria IL I'm actually putting that show on. It's in my storefront studio in downtown Chillicothe (a satellite town of Peoria), only a 2 hour drive from the western Chicago suburbs. Time is yet undecided, but will be in the expected 7-8 range. i have room for only 30 people, so if you'd like to purchase a ticket or need directions please email me. --- Eric Williamson www.suitandtieguy.com ------------------------------------------------- This mail sent through IMP: http://horde.org/imp/ From: Marion Horrod Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 5:27 pm Subject: 'tang' John wondered whether TD might issue a 'tangas' release. But I think the 'other' Tangerine Dream may have already done it (or doesn't she normally wear them?) LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore From: 'MK' Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 5:21 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions Hello, I would like to change my format option to SHN-FTP. regards Marcin Kusibab ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Matthew Sawyer' To: Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 6:49 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions > From: 'Georg Oppenberg' > > > maybe we should insert a new category in the Tree databases: Redbook, > > SHN and SHN-FTP. > > > I've amended the 'format' option on the database to: Redbook/SHN/SHN-FTP. > > Anyone who has signed up already who would like to change to SHN-FTP, you will > most likely need to email me and I will alter your record in the database. > > > Maff > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Date: Wed Apr 9, 2003 7:43 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions It's a quite good idea I think... Thx George. __________________________ Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.klausmusic.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Georg Oppenberg [mailto:Georg.Oppenberg@g...] > Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2003 11:21 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Re: Tangerine Leaves Sign Up Instructions > > > Hi all, > > maybe we should insert a new category in the Tree databases: Redbook, > SHN and SHN-FTP. Person who chose the latter and offer also to be a > branch, don't have to wait for their branch to send them CDs but can > download and start burning immidiately after the discs become > available. > This might make the database more precise and distribution of > the music > even faster. My server is not too limited and can seed lots of of > 'virtual' branches on the tree then. > Thougts? > > Cheers > Georg > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Georg Oppenberg' > > wrote: > > > Hi Jerry, > > > > > > I will gladly offer my fast FTP server ftp://tl.rondua.de for SHN > > > download. This worked well for TT3 in cooperation with Michael > > Berling, > > > so I think we're a good team now and get this up very quickly! > > > > > > Cheers > > > Georg > > > > That's fine with me. I'll send Georg one of the SHN sets as soon as > > they are complete. > > > > Thanks, Georg, for your offer. I think your service is highly > > appreciated by many list members! > > > > Regards > > Michael > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Thu Apr 10, 2003 3:50 am Subject: Instrumental Weekly Interview... Jim Dlugosinski has published an interview with yours truely at www.instrumentalweekly.com ... Cheers, Bill Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40303 Re: Instrumental Weekly Interview... John Vertical omegatransfinito Sat 4/12/2003 12 KB From: shez@a... Date: Thu Apr 10, 2003 8:31 am Subject: Questions about Peter Baumann Hello, I'm glad to discover Peter Baumann's solo work, it's up to now my favourite music for a solo work of a TD member. I'd like to know if Peter did some gigs in the 70's or 80's. Are their some recordings (unofficial of course) known to exist? A good french friend told me he saw Peter Baumann performs in 1976 in the city of Orange in the 'Theatre antique' but I suspect, he's actually talking about a TD performance there. finally, Do you know what Peter is doing now, since he left the music business in the early 90? Do he live in Germany or in the US? and finally, I'm searching for a copy of the 12' single for 'Repeat Repeat' , if you have one for sale, please contact me. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40284 Re: Questions about Peter Baumann Owens, James yxalag2 Thu 4/10/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Thu Apr 10, 2003 9:14 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree Box Covers > > > A lot of the newer CD releases in > > > stores have clear trays with artwork underneath. > > > > > > Already planning that for future Trees. :-) > > > > > > Maff > >Excellent, I'll have to stock up on more clear cases then :-) Not to >mention more double sided inkjet paper and cd labels. Like the TDI releases? Hmm, is it just me or is the tree getting more and more complex along time? I'd currently prefer to keep it simple, but who knows, after I have completed at least some leaflets for TT3 I might change my mind... And I've had to use two separate sheets glued together (that's the plan - still need to find a good glue) so I hope the future leaflets aren't planned too thick. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ MSN 8 with e-mail virus protection service: 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/virus Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40283 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers matthewsawyer matthewsawyer Thu 4/10/2003 3 KB 40313 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers flibbleblah flibbleblah Sun 4/13/2003 2 KB 40286 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Thu 4/10/2003 2 KB 40288 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers Jim Moore moxica93 Fri 4/11/2003 2 KB 40294 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Fri 4/11/2003 3 KB From: 'matthewsawyer' Date: Thu Apr 10, 2003 9:55 am Subject: Re: Classic Tree Box Covers --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical' wrote: > Like the TDI releases? Hmm, is it just me or > is the tree getting more and > more complex along time? It's just you John. > I'd currently prefer to keep it simple, but > who knows, I prefer to make the tree projects as cool and professional looking as possible. I wouldn't want the remasterers to 'keep it simple' and do nothing more than just take out the odd bit of tape hiss. > after I have completed at least > some leaflets for TT3 I might change my mind... > And I've had to use two separate sheets glued > together (that's the plan - still need to find > a good glue) No wonder you're not keen on this, you're doing it the wrong way. Get some double sided matt paper and use the printer calibration sheet I provided to print accurately on both sides. Or don't. You don't _have_ to print the covers and liners you know. I only print them for testing and sending copies to Edgar. All my discs are archived in pastic wallets in a box :-). Maff Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40313 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers flibbleblah flibbleblah Sun 4/13/2003 2 KB From: 'Owens, James' Date: Thu Apr 10, 2003 1:46 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Questions about Peter Baumann Responses: -----Original Message----- >I'd like to know if Peter did some gigs in the 70's or 80's. >Are their some recordings (unofficial of course) known to exist? It's possible, but I've never heard of any (I'm not the expert in these matters though... :-) >A good french friend told me he saw Peter Baumann performs in 1976 in >the city of Orange in the 'Theatre antique' but I suspect, he's >actually talking about a TD performance there. TD did indeed perform in Orange in 1976. On the recordings I've heard, Baumann actually makes several announcements during the performance, some in French, some in English. Perhaps that's why your friend remembers it being Baumann. >finally, Do you know what Peter is doing now, since he left the music >business in the early 90? >Do he live in Germany or in the US? Last I heard he bought a resort in Mexico... From: 'creative_operator' Date: Thu Apr 10, 2003 7:45 pm Subject: TT1 availability Can someone please advise if TT1 (SHN) is available via FTP ? Many thanks for your time. Regards Derek From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Thu Apr 10, 2003 8:34 pm Subject: Re: Classic Tree Box Covers --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'John Vertical' wrote: > I'd currently prefer to keep it simple, but who knows, after I have > completed at least some leaflets for TT3 I might change my mind... > And I've had to use two separate sheets glued together (that's the plan - > still need to find a good glue) so I hope the future leaflets aren't planned > too thick. > > John Vertical > I use Konica's professional double-sided inkjet paper. It's a bit on the thick side, but works well. Kodak has a thinner double-sided paper, but it tends to smudge a bit when you handle it. I then trim everything with a Carl Bogen rotary blade trimmer, fold and staple with a long arm stapler. The end result looks like a commercial release. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40288 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers Jim Moore moxica93 Fri 4/11/2003 2 KB 40294 Re: Classic Tree Box Covers dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Fri 4/11/2003 3 KB From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 9:49 am Subject: mota atma hi all looks like TD have done it again, Mota Atma has been put back until 6th may now http://www.voiceprint.co.uk/catalogue.php/Release/1072/ this will probalbly mean we may actually see this release sometime in october :-) Regards Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk www.tangerine-dream.co.uk MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40290 Re: OT on my own behalf TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Fri 4/11/2003 3 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 10:28 am Subject: Re: [tadream] OT on my own behalf >Hi fellow listizens, I apologize for the OT ... but as I´ve noticed that there are a few people on this list who are also into the darker varieties of music, I thought I´d drop some 'commercial spam' on my own behalf, as my new album is out! Here´s the newsflash: New Sepulcrum Mentis album 'Salvation' completed and available!!! We are proud to announce that we have received the first pressing run of the new SM-album 'Salvation' fresh from the plant! The album will be available in Europe via SX Distribution and should be hitting the shops at the end of this month. In case you can´t wait, you can also order directly from me: price: EUR 10,- plus packing and shipping: Germany: EUR 2,50 Europe: EUR 4,00 rest of world: EUR 9,00 You can also order the two still available backcatalogue CD´s to minimize postage. To order, send an e-mail to: marty@s... The style is old-fashioned goth rock with a touch of Bowie´s theatralicity and some prog elements. We use guitars, drums, violins and some vintage synth sounds. more info on the band: www.sepulcrum-mentis.de anyone interested contact me at my above home address. To bring this back on topic: actually, Jerome mastered the album (which was very nice of him indeed :-)) Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:18 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #316 for April 10, 2003 EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #316 April 10, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on vidnaObmana, an international ambient artist from Belgium who will play an in-studio radio concert on the April 17th broadcast of EMUSIC and a concert at the next Soundscapes in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on April 19. The Featured CD at Midnight was 'Spore' on the Relapse label. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Ages' by Edgar Froese on Virgin Records. I played the music of Vir Unis and James Johnson who will be at the next Gathering on April 12 in Philadelphia. I also played the music of Matt Borghi who, with Jason Sloan, will appears on the same bill with vidnaObmana at the Gate to Moonbase Alpha on April 18 also in Philadelphia. vidnaObmana - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#apr The Soundscapes Concert Series - http://soundscapes.us The Gate to Moonbase Alpha - http://foundationarts.org The Gatherings Concert Series - http://thegatherings.org PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm Edgar Froses Childrens Deeper Study Ages (Virgin) Hypnosphere Sleepwalk Within the Whirl (Spheric) Vir Unis and Geometry of Recursion Perimeter (In the Bubble Music James Johnson and Zero Music) Matt Borghi Wonder-filled Illusion Elegy for Time (Space for Music) Ken Martin Impressions Berlin Impressions Vol. 3 (Space for Music) Gordon Rhyne and Luminosity Ecstasis (Space for Music) Zero Ohms 12:00 am vidnaObmana Through the Collective Spore (Relapse) Pain vidnaObmana The Humanity Underneath Spore (Relapse) vidnaObmana Skin Strip Spore (Relapse) vidnaObmana Duality of Passion Spore (Relapse) vidnaObmana Beyond the Shaman Spore (Relapse) vidnaObmana The Nihilist Spore (Relapse) vidnaObmana Creep-Isolation Trip Spore (Relapse) vidnaObmana Spore * Spore (Relapse) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on vidnaObmana. The Featured CD at Midnight will be replaced by a live, in-studio radio concert by vidnaObmana. The vinyl show starter will be from the LP 'Grand Canyon' by Tomita on the RCA Red Seal label. I will also play the music of Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Company who will be appearing at the Gatherings concert series on May 10. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: bradley_duke@u... Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:13 pm Subject: TD Collection on Ebay Hi Folks, Can someone tell me if the enormous TD collection (with the b&w tour poster) that had the 'Buy it Now' for $3,000 actually sold? (I'm hoping to appeal to his or her good nature and make an offer for the poster if they're interested!) It's killing me that this was included in the lot and not sold separately. I enjoy collecting TD posters, but was not about to spend three months worth of mortgage payments for it! Thanks. Bradley S. Duke Change Management Coordinator Data Center Operations IBM Software Group (978) 399-7189 From: Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 1:38 pm Subject: Klaus Schulze - Transfer Tape for sale. Hello all, I have following item from Klaus Schulze for sale: TRANSFER (Tape-Chromium Dioxide Audíophile) Label: Gramavision Inc. 18-7025-4 Released: USA 1984 Condition: mint-- If you want a photo as JPEG of this item, please ask me. offers please to: e-mail: heiko@o... Cheers heiko http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de http://www.opticaldream.de Sign up for your free PAYPAL account: https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=WDJX3DNKVFJ9E cool link: http://www.klamm.de/?refid=62978 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 3:45 pm Subject: Re: Classic Tree Box Covers --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Jim Moore' wrote: > -----Original Message----- > From: dweller_benthos [mailto:benthonic@e...] > >I then trim > everything with a Carl Bogen rotary blade trimmer, fold and staple > with a long arm stapler. The end result looks like a commercial > release. > > Can one get one of these trimmers at a general office supply store? > > - jim I have seen similar types of cutters in Staples and Office Max here in the states, but not the Bogen brand. Your results may vary. I got mine from B&H Photo in NYC, their website is: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/ The specific page for the 12' model like mine is: http://www.bhphotovideo.com/bh4.sph/FrameWork.class? FNC=ProductActivator__Aproductlist_html___225469___CADC101___REG___Cat ID=0___SID=F4B6816F2E0 The good thing about the Bogen cutters is that you can change cutting blades easily. Other brands may do this as well, never checked. I use the perforating blade to perforate the fold on the spine of the tray card. Look at your average commercial release and you'll see the fold is perforated, makes for easy folding and exact positioning. Then I cut the card out with the cutting blade, fold and drop in the case. For single covers, I just print front and back on double sided paper and cut it out. For 'liner note' bootlet style, I print on double sided paper, and then use a scoring blade to crease the paper where the fold is, then fold and insert. If the booklet is two pages, I staple them together. From: John McIntyre Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 3:51 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Taken / Firestarter Gary Jenkins wrote: > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Richard wrote: > > And talking of Firestarter, anyone seen/watched the Firestarter 2 > that > > sneaked out on DVD WITHOUT a TD soundtrack? > > > > Any good, or is it like most sequels, a cheap and nasty copy of the > > original? > > The best part is the opening sequence where Charly has a bad dream and her fire starting powers get out of control. She wakes up to find her bedding on fire. With a bored 'Here we go again' expression she pulls out her bedside fire extinguisher and douses the flames. John McIntyre Physics - Astronomy Domine Dept Michigan State University mcintyre@p... From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:23 pm Subject: New file uploaded to tadream Hello, This email message is a notification to let you know that a file has been uploaded to the Files area of the tadream group. File : /Tribute CD Tree.doc Uploaded by : tmrichmond53051 Description : 'Between the Stars' Tribute CD Tree Structure You can access this file at the URL http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/files/Tribute CD Tree.doc To learn more about file sharing for your group, please visit http://help.yahoo.com/help/us/groups/files Regards, tmrichmond53051 From: 'Tom Richmond' Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 4:35 pm Subject: 'Between the Stars' Tribute CDR Tree Tree Structure is available in the tadream 'files' area on YahooGroups. Branches are responsible for leaves/branches shown to their immediate right. Conversely, your source will be to your immediate left. Email addresses included for your convenience communicating with each other. Cheers! Tom ________________________________ IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you received this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and such actions may be unlawful. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40299 Re: 'Between the Stars' Tribute CDR Tree Pergamon pergamondk Fri 4/11/2003 3 KB From: Art Of Vision Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 5:07 pm Subject: Tangerine Dream :))) Ever been there? www.tangerinedream.com ;))) Art Of Vision __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more http://tax.yahoo.com Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40302 Re: Tangerine Dream :))) Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Sat 4/12/2003 3 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Fri Apr 11, 2003 6:44 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] 'Between the Stars' Tribute CDR Tree I just tried to have a look at this file and it was all screwed up. I could see a few mailadresses, thats it. Any suggestions????? Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Tom Richmond' To: ; ; Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:35 PM Subject: [tadream] 'Between the Stars' Tribute CDR Tree > Tree Structure is available in the tadream 'files' area on YahooGroups. > Branches are responsible for leaves/branches shown to their immediate right. > Conversely, your source will be to your immediate left. > Email addresses included for your convenience communicating with each other. > > Cheers! > > Tom > > ________________________________ > IMPORTANT NOTICE: This message is intended only for the addressee. If you received this message in error, please delete the material from your computer and notify the sender by email. If you are not the intended recipient, you may not copy, disclose, or distribute this message or its contents to any other person and such actions may be unlawful. > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Apr 12, 2003 9:38 am Subject: Sounds Did someone on the list mention that a catalogue of TD sound samples were on a website? also did anyone recreate the alien seagull effect? In CT's 'Strange Attractors' Majave Plan towards the 3rd part, near the skip, the seagull sound is heard. Is the seagull effect a continous sound or the one-shot cry? Paulus.d [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Apr 12, 2003 9:57 am Subject: attn Martin at TDI Would TDI give permission for 30 second sound bites fron TD's music being used to accompany a on-line history of TD? obviously the origin and FULL credit would be part of the website. Just a quick one but wanted to check the TDI position in this.. Paulus.d [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Sat Apr 12, 2003 10:02 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Tangerine Dream :))) Very Funny!!! I allways associated that colour with Leyland cars back in the 70's Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Art Of Vision' To: Sent: Friday, April 11, 2003 6:07 PM Subject: [tadream] Tangerine Dream :))) > Ever been there? > www.tangerinedream.com ;))) > > Art Of Vision > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Tax Center - File online, calculators, forms, and more > http://tax.yahoo.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Apr 12, 2003 11:25 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Instrumental Weekly Interview... One comment: isn't the recipients list a bit spammer-friendly here...? John Vertical >From: 'Bill Fox' >Reply-To: tadream@yahoogroups.com >To: 'Ricochet Gathering' ,'analog group' >,'Different Skies' >,'EM Masterclass' >,'emlsynth' >,'matrixSynth' >,'MIDI Mitigator' >,'nord_modular' >,'PolySix' >,'synth-diy' >,'vintagesynthrepair' >,'AIMusic' >,'beyond_em' >,'ElectronicMusic' >,'spacemusic' >,'tadream mailing list' >,,'The Ambient >Way' ,'Don Slepian' >,'Bernie Hoffman' ,'Bill Chadwick' >,'Dave Sneed' ,'Dennis Haley' >,'Duane Bowker' ,'Greg Waltzer' >,'Howard Moscovitz' ,'Juli Moscovitz' >,'Rich Marshall' ,'Steven Curtin' >,'Vince LeGrand' ,'Otto Bost' >,'Nancy Butz' ,'Jeff Towne' >,'Alison Del Rey' ,'Matt >Howarth' ,'S. 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Jean' >,'Michael' ,'Larry >Furman' ,'karen davis' >,'John R. Emerich' >,'hendrixEXP' ,'Donna >Sherman' ,'Delane Lipka' >,'Carlo Ruggiero' >,,'Art' >,'Nicole' ,'Bob Lennon' >,'Bill Cummings' ,'emf' >,'David Cotner' ,'Aharon >Varady' ,'Arts Electric' >Subject: [tadream] Instrumental Weekly Interview... >Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 23:50:13 -0400 > >Jim Dlugosinski has published an interview with yours truely at >www.instrumentalweekly.com ... > >Cheers, > >Bill _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'noir43' Date: Sat Apr 12, 2003 3:04 pm Subject: ISO: Between the Stars info/art Howdy.. I can't seem to find any info: tracklist, etc for this project. Also the artwork web site is not there...Can anyone help out this poor soul? TIA, Ken Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40307 Re: ISO: Between the Stars info/art Robert Asmus plastics67 Sat 4/12/2003 3 KB 40308 Re: ISO: Between the Stars info/art jarek@w... jerryplpl Sat 4/12/2003 4 KB 40309 Re: ISO: Between the Stars info/art noir43 noir43 Sat 4/12/2003 2 KB From: 'Yanick Vigneault' Date: Sat Apr 12, 2003 4:44 pm Subject: Festival Musique Actuelle - New Music Festival In my birth place in Victoriaville, Quebec, Canada there is a very special musical 'happening'. A big names from the New Music scene will be there to create a unique musical event in North America (May 15 to 19). Some name in the festival this year (20th anniversary): Pan sonic, John Zorn, Kid 606, etc... Name like Univers Zéro, Merzbow, Kronos Quartet, Thurston Moore from Sonic Youth, Bill Laswell, Tortoise, etc already passed by the festival It's sure that I would be to the Pan sonic show. www.fimav.qc.ca --------------------------------------------------------------------- Dans ma ville natale de Victoriaville, Québec, Canada il se passe un 'happening' musical vraiment spécial. De grands noms de la musique actuelle se rejoignent pour créer un événement unique en Amérique du nord (Du 15 au 19 mai). Des noms cette année pour la 20ième édition? Pan sonic, John Zorn, Kid 606, etc... Des noms comme Univers Zéro, Merzbow, Kronos Quartet, Thurston Moore de Sonic Youth, Bill Laswell, Tortoise, etc ont déjà passés par le festival. Je serais au show de Pan Sonic, ça s'est certain! www.fimav.qc.ca Yanick From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Sat Apr 12, 2003 4:57 pm Subject: OT: Online radio programme Good afternoon, The Electronic Shadows radio programme is now a downloadable programme! Please join the newsletter to receive the link, as I send playlists and download notifications to members only. To join: electronicshadows-news-subscribe@yahoogroups.com Greetings, Glenn From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Sat Apr 12, 2003 5:20 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ISO: Between the Stars info/art Give me some time tomorrow and I will create a web page with Cover art and track list... Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: noir43 [mailto:noir43@s...] Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 11:04 AM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] ISO: Between the Stars info/art Howdy.. I can't seem to find any info: tracklist, etc for this project. Also the artwork web site is not there...Can anyone help out this poor soul? TIA, Ken ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40308 Re: ISO: Between the Stars info/art jarek@w... jerryplpl Sat 4/12/2003 4 KB From: Date: Sat Apr 12, 2003 5:29 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] ISO: Between the Stars info/art What for?? The whole artwork is still available for download here: http://www.geocities.com/coolbeansstudios/tribute_cd.html __________________________ Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.klausmusic.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Robert Asmus [mailto:asmus0324@c...] > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 7:21 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: RE: [tadream] ISO: Between the Stars info/art > > > Give me some time tomorrow and I will create a web page with > Cover art and track list... > > Robert Asmus > > -----Original Message----- > From: noir43 [mailto:noir43@s...] > Sent: Saturday, April 12, 2003 11:04 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] ISO: Between the Stars info/art > > Howdy.. > > I can't seem to find any info: tracklist, etc for this > project. Also the > > artwork web site is not there...Can anyone help out this poor > soul? > > TIA, > > Ken > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'noir43' Date: Sat Apr 12, 2003 6:55 pm Subject: Re: ISO: Between the Stars info/art Got it!! Thanks one and all... --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'noir43' wrote: > Howdy.. > > I can't seem to find any info: tracklist, etc for this project. Also the > artwork web site is not there...Can anyone help out this poor > soul? > > TIA, > > Ken From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Sat Apr 12, 2003 8:42 pm Subject: Off Topic-Exit Hello Everyone I must apologise for the rants and raves of recent times,i got totally carried away,i must be out of my TINY mind,but im gonna rant and rave some more,sit down and listen to the Wonderful Underwater Sunlight,i make no apologies what so ever for listening to this sheer Brilliance.Goodnight All Best Regards Colin From: 'colin anderson' Date: Sun Apr 13, 2003 12:36 am Subject: TD 'Live' We all get caught up - myself included - with how live TDs shows really are these days. I'm listening to TT2 Newcastle '81 right now - Kiew Mission - and, with the exception of some minor effects and the vocals, this sounds pretty much studio-perfect....... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: scfeldman@j... Date: Sun Apr 13, 2003 2:56 am Subject: Offtopic: Wireless DSL Routers Hi All, This is grossly offtopic, so REPLY ONLY OFFLIST, PLEASE, TO ME DIRECTLY AT SCFELDMAN@J... What I want to know is, what are folks' recommendations for good, cheap, wireless DSL routers? I am signing up with a DSL provider and need a USB port splitter, a network interface card / ethernet card (ten base T or ten / 100 ethernet card), and a wireless router. I see routers on eBAY for decent prices. And really, folks, please observe netiquette and send your replies my to my questions only offlist. Do not send your replies to the tadream mailing list. Thank you. Steven Feldman scfeldman@j... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'flibbleblah' Date: Thu Apr 10, 2003 2:04 pm Subject: Re: Classic Tree Box Covers --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'matthewsawyer' wrote: [concerning covers] > I only print them for > testing and sending copies to Edgar. Sorry if this is a stupid question: Edgar as in Edgar Froese? Or another guy? :) Regards, Matthew From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:22 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Classic Tree Box Covers >No wonder you're not keen on this, you're doing it the wrong way. Get >some double sided matt paper and use the printer calibration sheet I >provided to print accurately on both sides. Or don't. You don't >_have_ to print the covers and liners you know. I only print them for >testing and sending copies to Edgar. All my discs are archived in >pastic wallets in a box :-). > > >Maff I tried this on standard office paper (which has worked well enough on all the covers so far) but the darker pictures shone through. OK, I'll just try this on better paper... John Vertical PS: Adjective of the day: 'Pastic'. :-) _________________________________________________________________ Protect your PC - get McAfee.com VirusScan Online http://clinic.mcafee.com/clinic/ibuy/campaign.asp?cid=3963 From: 'heineu' Date: Sun Apr 13, 2003 11:16 am Subject: opticaldream update Hello all, my Tangerine Dream Homepage is updated now. I add many items (incl. 3 rare Bootleg Tapes), visit: http://www.opticaldream.de Cheers Heiko - Mr. Optical Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40318 opticaldream update Morgan Feldon feldon23 Sun 4/13/2003 3 KB 40330 Re: opticaldream update heineu heineu Tue 4/15/2003 2 KB From: 'corporalcripp' Date: Sun Apr 13, 2003 5:57 pm Subject: TT3 KUDOS...... Many thanks to Heiko and cohorts for making TT3 possible.Well done everybody!!-Bob ps, what's coming up on the next TT tree? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40322 Re: TT3 KUDOS...... Heiko Heerssen td_freak Mon 4/14/2003 3 KB 40323 Re: TT3 KUDOS...... mengels@w... mars103nl Mon 4/14/2003 2 KB 40326 Re: TT3 KUDOS...... omegatransfinito omegatransfinito Mon 4/14/2003 3 KB 40325 Re: TT3 KUDOS...... John Marchington johnmarch1938 Mon 4/14/2003 3 KB 40360 Re: TT3 KUDOS...... piotr3 piotr3sulas Thu 4/17/2003 2 KB From: 'Micke Stark Runsten' Date: Sun Apr 13, 2003 6:48 pm Subject: SV: [tadream] Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection I?m also looking for a ftp download of DSC, please :-) /Micke > -----Ursprungligt meddelande----- > Fran: Rolf Elfstrom [mailto:rcade@r...] > Skickat: den 26 mars 2003 22:02 > Till: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Amne: [tadream] Re: Digital Soundtrack Collection > > > > >If it is not already too late, how can I get a copy of this fine looking > >collection? > >I know at some point there was a tree going but I do not know if > the tree is > >still active or if anyone out there has a copy and is interested > in trading > >please let me know privately. > > > >Thanks > >Marcelo > > And as usual I repeat my plea: Would some kind samaritan > put it up on a ftp somewhere... pleeeeeease! (sobbing) > > Rolf > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sun Apr 13, 2003 7:02 pm Subject: opticaldream update >Heiko - Mr. Optical >Hello all, > >my Tangerine Dream Homepage is updated now. >I add many items (incl. 3 rare Bootleg Tapes), visit: > >http://www.opticaldream.de > >Transitions Part 1 & 2 , Arena Berlin (L1137 & L1138) 1991 [sic.] , 2MC , >Live Montreal 1977 - CHOM FM RADIO Would this be the 20.02.1990 Berlin Werner-Seelenbinder-Halle FM recording or Audience recording or something else? Which source is the Montreal 77 show? >Electronical Processor , No. 25/28 , MC , Live East-Berlin - 31-01-1980 Wish I had the money for all the dubs and renamings of Straatsgrenze West. :D -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40330 Re: opticaldream update heineu heineu Tue 4/15/2003 2 KB From: 'VicRek' Date: Sun Apr 13, 2003 9:01 pm Subject: Groove Article I'm not sure if I should cross-post articles, but if anyone gets the GROOVE newsletter, please make sure you read the article on Johannes Schmoelling and Tangerine Dream by Ron Boots. He made a nice and fresh commentary about the band that made me feel good - no criticism, just plain good talk about TD! (and some good pointers on what makes EM, great EM - the Original Sounds!) Also, I recommend Martin's (from TDI) CDs - they are great! It's not TD or EM, but more Goth Rock with a Bowie/Bauhaus edge... And a plug for my event: Ricochet Gathering (www.ricochetdream.com/mojave.html). We are less than 2 weeks aways and the T-shirts are in the works. Subscriptions to the T's plus material that will be recorded there are still available - and selling better than I suspected. I have maybe 3-4 spots left for guests for this event. Contact me off-list if you are interested. Vic From: 'Marcelo Gutierrez' Date: Sun Apr 13, 2003 9:21 pm Subject: Digital Soundtrack Collection Can someone point me to the DSC artwork page, I seem to have erased the link. I even downloaded a couple of the covers but now I can not find the link anymore. Thanks in advance Marcelo NP: 'The Keep' privately made CDR ----- Original Message ----- From: VicRek To: Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2003 5:01 PM Subject: [tadream] Groove Article > I'm not sure if I should cross-post articles, but if anyone gets the GROOVE > newsletter, please make sure you read the article on Johannes Schmoelling > and Tangerine Dream by Ron Boots. He made a nice and fresh commentary about > the band that made me feel good - no criticism, just plain good talk about > TD! (and some good pointers on what makes EM, great EM - the Original > Sounds!) > > Also, I recommend Martin's (from TDI) CDs - they are great! It's not TD or > EM, but more Goth Rock with a Bowie/Bauhaus edge... > > And a plug for my event: Ricochet Gathering > (www.ricochetdream.com/mojave.html). > We are less than 2 weeks aways and the T-shirts are in the works. > Subscriptions to the T's plus material that will be recorded there are still > available - and selling better than I suspected. > > I have maybe 3-4 spots left for guests for this event. Contact me off-list > if you are interested. > > Vic > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Apr 13, 2003 10:16 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Digital Soundtrack Collection Marcelo Gutierrez wrote: > > Can someone point me to the DSC artwork page, I seem to have erased the > link. Here it is: http://perso.club-internet.fr/pfellows/webpages/dsc.html > NP: 'The Keep' privately made CDR Ha ha, I have made one too, with 22 tracks from DSC. Antonio Nunes From: Heiko Heerssen Date: Mon Apr 14, 2003 6:44 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 KUDOS...... > Many thanks to Heiko and cohorts for making TT3 possible.Well done > everybody!!-Bob > ps, what's coming up on the next TT tree? Thanks Bob! Well TT4 **may** consist of the following concerts: --Brussels L'Ancienne Belgique 16 Nov. 1976 master tape copy 1 cdr --Sydney Regent Theatre 22 Feb. 1982 FM broadcast 2 cdr --London Astoria 15 Feb. 2003 mix of two Minidisc master recordings 3 cdr --Brussels Jansen University 09 Feb. 1976 2 cdr --London Hammersmith Odeon 26 Oct. 1990 2 cdr --1 'lone tracks' cdr (Berlin 13 Oct. 1974, London 22 Oct. 1975 and a surprise track from 1976 which will knock your TD socks off ;-) --London Royal Albert Hall 07 June 1976 master tape copy 2 cdr --Firenze Teatro Tenda 08 Feb. 1981 evening show 2 cdr --Reims Cathédrale Notre-Dame 13 Dec. 1974 (remastered version of 'Reims live improvised') 2 cdr --Birmingham 17 March 1986 2 cdr regards Heiko n.p.: Brussels L'Ancienne Belgique 1976...whoever said 'Clapton is god' surely hasn't heard this concert yet :-) Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40323 Re: TT3 KUDOS...... mengels@w... mars103nl Mon 4/14/2003 2 KB 40326 Re: TT3 KUDOS...... omegatransfinito omegatransfinito Mon 4/14/2003 3 KB From: mengels@w... Date: Mon Apr 14, 2003 7:47 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 KUDOS...... Citeren Heiko Heerssen : > Well TT4 **may** consist of the following concerts: > --Brussels L'Ancienne Belgique 16 Nov. 1976 master tape copy 1 cdr > --Brussels Jansen University 09 Feb. 1976 2 cdr > > n.p.: Brussels L'Ancienne Belgique 1976...whoever said 'Clapton is god' > surely hasn't heard this concert yet :-) One of my fav. 76 concerts. Completely different then all the others and imo the best combination of a little structure within the improvisation. It's already a good quality recording, so it would be great to have an even better recording. Marcel http://home.wanadoo.nl/mengels mengels@w... __________________________________________________________ http://www.wanadoo.nl/ From: 'duncan mckee' Date: Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:38 am Subject: cd sale hi all i have listed a collection of 62 TD cds on ebay it is a 3 day auction and can be found here http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=2523607454 this is a great way to increase your TD collection or to kick start a new one. when these are gone i will be left with only the UK issues and important imports. which is what i intended to do before i went mad and bought everything i could get my hands on :-) Regards Duncan McKee tangram@t... www.tadream.co.uk www.tangerine-dream.co.uk MSN Messenger dmckee20@h... [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'John Marchington' Date: Mon Apr 14, 2003 10:58 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 KUDOS...... Hey guys, I haven't even got TT3 yet!! ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Heiko Heerssen' To: Sent: Monday, April 14, 2003 6:44 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 KUDOS...... > > > > > Many thanks to Heiko and cohorts for making TT3 possible.Well done > > everybody!!-Bob > > ps, what's coming up on the next TT tree? > > Thanks Bob! > > Well TT4 **may** consist of the following concerts: > --Brussels L'Ancienne Belgique 16 Nov. 1976 master tape copy 1 cdr > --Sydney Regent Theatre 22 Feb. 1982 FM broadcast 2 cdr > --London Astoria 15 Feb. 2003 mix of two Minidisc master recordings 3 cdr > --Brussels Jansen University 09 Feb. 1976 2 cdr > --London Hammersmith Odeon 26 Oct. 1990 2 cdr > --1 'lone tracks' cdr (Berlin 13 Oct. 1974, London 22 Oct. 1975 and a > surprise track from 1976 which will knock your TD socks off ;-) > --London Royal Albert Hall 07 June 1976 master tape copy 2 cdr > --Firenze Teatro Tenda 08 Feb. 1981 evening show 2 cdr > --Reims Cathédrale Notre-Dame 13 Dec. 1974 (remastered version of 'Reims live > improvised') 2 cdr > --Birmingham 17 March 1986 2 cdr > > regards > Heiko > n.p.: Brussels L'Ancienne Belgique 1976...whoever said 'Clapton is god' > surely hasn't heard this concert yet :-) > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'omegatransfinito' Date: Mon Apr 14, 2003 1:56 pm Subject: Re: TT3 KUDOS...... > Well TT4 **may** consist of the following concerts: > --Brussels L'Ancienne Belgique 16 Nov. 1976 master tape copy 1 cdr > --Sydney Regent Theatre 22 Feb. 1982 FM broadcast 2 cdr > --London Astoria 15 Feb. 2003 mix of two Minidisc master recordings 3 cdr > --Brussels Jansen University 09 Feb. 1976 2 cdr > --London Hammersmith Odeon 26 Oct. 1990 2 cdr > --1 'lone tracks' cdr (Berlin 13 Oct. 1974, London 22 Oct. 1975 and a > surprise track from 1976 which will knock your TD socks off ;-) > --London Royal Albert Hall 07 June 1976 master tape copy 2 cdr > --Firenze Teatro Tenda 08 Feb. 1981 evening show 2 cdr > --Reims Cathédrale Notre-Dame 13 Dec. 1974 (remastered version of 'Reims live > improvised') 2 cdr > --Birmingham 17 March 1986 2 cdr > > regards > Heiko Mmmm.. both Brussels 76?! Sounds delicious... And the 76 'soxplosion' sounds promising, too. But. Have I misunderstood something? I though concerts like that Firenze one were supposed to go through Tangerine Leaves instead, as that material already was on volume 14? John Vertical From: scfeldman@j... Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:50 am Subject: F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle Back in Print Hi All, For those who don't know, the KEEP was the first of six books in a series. Our buddy Molasar appears in the first, fourth, fifth and sixth books, and Glaeken appears in the first and the sixth. -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - When you try to snort a book up your nose instead of actually reading it, you get a mess like Mann's 'The Keep.' -- F. Paul Wilson, April 29, 1999 ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: FPAUL46@a... To: FPAUL46@a... Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:37:16 EDT Subject: New books [. . .] THE ADVERSARY CYCLE Borderlands Press will be reprinting the entire Adversary Cycle (THE KEEP, THE TOMB, THE TOUCH, REBORN, REPRISAL, and NIGHTWORLD) in a matching set of signed, limited-edition hardcovers. They also plan to issue a slipcase for all six volumes. This is good news for those of you who've searched in vain for a hardcover of THE TOUCH or can't afford the signed hardcover of THE TOMB (the last one I saw went for $650 on eBay). The Numbered Editions (limited to 1000) will run $60 each. The Lettered Editions (limited to 26) will run $250 each. The Borderlands Press website is being revamped, but for more info or orders you can call 800-528-3310 or email them at sales@b... The projected release dates: THE KEEP 6/03 THE TOMB 2/04 THE TOUCH 8/04 REBORN 2/05 REPRISAL 8/05 NIGHTWORLD 2/06 The lettered are scheduled to appear one month after the numbered limited. [. . .] Keep reading. F. Paul Wilson www.repairmanjack.com PS: You are receiving this email because: a) you've requested updates; b) you've shown an interest in my work in the past; c) I know you. If you wish to be removed from the list, just send return mail with REMOVE in the subject line. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40328 Re: F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle Back in Print David Wakefield bolosun Tue 4/15/2003 4 KB 40339 Re: F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle Back in Print Jim Moore moxica93 Wed 4/16/2003 2 KB 40341 Re: F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle Back in Print Jim Moore moxica93 Wed 4/16/2003 2 KB From: 'David Wakefield' Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle Back in Print I have both the Keep and Tomb books. And IMHO are both excellent books. The Keep is a much better book than film, but there is nothing unusual there -------Original Message------- From: tadream@yahoogroups.com Date: 15 April 2003 06:47:45 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle Back in Print Hi All, For those who don't know, the KEEP was the first of six books in a series. Our buddy Molasar appears in the first, fourth, fifth and sixth books, and Glaeken appears in the first and the sixth. -- Steven Feldman - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - When you try to snort a book up your nose instead of actually reading it, you get a mess like Mann's 'The Keep.' -- F. Paul Wilson, April 29, 1999 ----- Forwarded Message ----- From: FPAUL46@a... To: FPAUL46@a... Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2003 10:37:16 EDT Subject: New books [. . .] THE ADVERSARY CYCLE Borderlands Press will be reprinting the entire Adversary Cycle (THE KEEP, THE TOMB, THE TOUCH, REBORN, REPRISAL, and NIGHTWORLD) in a matching set of signed, limited-edition hardcovers. They also plan to issue a slipcase for all six volumes. This is good news for those of you who've searched in vain for a hardcover of THE TOUCH or can't afford the signed hardcover of THE TOMB (the last one I saw went for $650 on eBay). The Numbered Editions (limited to 1000) will run $60 each. The Lettered Editions (limited to 26) will run $250 each. The Borderlands Press website is being revamped, but for more info or orders you can call 800-528-3310 or email them at sales@b... The projected release dates: THE KEEP 6/03 THE TOMB 2/04 THE TOUCH 8/04 REBORN 2/05 REPRISAL 8/05 NIGHTWORLD 2/06 The lettered are scheduled to appear one month after the numbered limited. [. . .] Keep reading. F. Paul Wilson www.repairmanjack.com PS: You are receiving this email because: a) you've requested updates; b) you've shown an interest in my work in the past; c) I know you. If you wish to be removed from the list, just send return mail with REMOVE in the subject line. [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ . [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:48 am Subject: Mota Atma on www.opticaldream.de hello all, on my Tangerine Dream Fan Homepage: http://www.opticaldream.de is from now the NEW Tangerine Dream Release: MOTA ATMA (TDP001CD) online with all pictures from the cover, inside cover, back cover and CD-Label. incl. the credits of this Original Motion Picture Soundtrack. Enjoy the site, and order this fantastic soundtrack on the voiceprint or TDI Music Homepage. Cheers heiko - mr. optical http://www.opticaldream.de http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de Sign up for your free PAYPAL account: https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=WDJX3DNKVFJ9E cool link: http://www.klamm.de/?refid=62978 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'heineu' Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 8:55 am Subject: Re: opticaldream update Hello Morgan, > >Transitions Part 1 & 2 , Arena Berlin (L1137 & L1138) 1991 [sic.] , 2MC , > >Live Montreal 1977 - CHOM FM RADIO > > Would this be the > 20.02.1990 Berlin Werner-Seelenbinder-Halle FM recording or Audience > recording or something else? *** this is a the CHOM FM Recording from the TD Concert in Montreal 1977 > Which source is the Montreal 77 show? *** CHOM FM Radio Cheers heiko - mr. optical From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 11:36 am Subject: Columbia Tribute CD For anybody that is interested in downloading the shn files of the Columbia Tribute CD. Please contact me off list so that I can get you set up on my ftp. Robert Asmus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40333 Re: Columbia Tribute CD dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Tue 4/15/2003 2 KB 40334 Re: Columbia Tribute CD Robert Asmus plastics67 Tue 4/15/2003 3 KB 40335 Re: Columbia Tribute CD Administrator dale1kay Tue 4/15/2003 4 KB 40337 Columbia Tribute CD Morgan Feldon feldon23 Tue 4/15/2003 2 KB 40338 Re: Columbia Tribute CD jarek@w... jerryplpl Tue 4/15/2003 3 KB 40340 Columbia Tribute CD Morgan Feldon feldon23 Wed 4/16/2003 2 KB 40352 Re: Columbia Tribute CD Steve Woollam stevewoollam Thu 4/17/2003 3 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 1:19 pm Subject: The Soundscapes Concert Series with vidnaObmana The Soundscapes Concert Series proudly presents vidnaObmana in an all ages concert of space music at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island 56 River Street West Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Saturday, April 19, 2003 Concert at 8:00 pm, doors open at 7:30 pm FREE Buffet Dinner by Chef Jeff Tickets: $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Soundscapes #4 is coproduced by WDS Productions and Wooden Shoe Music. For the fourth installment of the Soundscapes Concert Series, vidnaObmana will perform a unique concert at the City of Bethlehem's IceHouse on Sand Island. Located in historic Bethlehem on the north bank of the Lehigh River, the IceHouse is a perfect venue for a concert of spacemusic. This concert will be on Saturday, April 19, 2003, starting at 8:00 pm. The doors will open at 7:30 pm and Chef Jeff will cater a free buffet dinner. Tickets are $17 in advance and $20 at the door. Advance tickets are be available at: Compact Disc Center Speedy's Record Shop 1365 Easton Ave. 1001 Union Blvd. Bethlehem, Pennsylvania Allentown, Pennsylvania 610-868-3070 610-432-8386 and on-line at: http://electro-music.com (electro-music has a minimal service charge of $0.95) NOTE: Tickets purchased at the door on the day of the show will be discounted by $3 for those who show their WDIY or WMUH membersip cards or their full time student ID. INFORMATION: http://soundscapes.us CONTACT: Bill Fox billfox@f... 610-746-9615 VIDNAOBMANA: Ambient musician vidnaObmana is one of spacemusic's brightest stars. Using synthesizers, audio processors, and a vast array of exotic instruments, Belgian electronic musician vidnaObmana creates a complex, layered musical journey through rhythms, timbres, loops, and sonic atmospheres. The name vidnaObmana means 'optical illusion' in Serbo-Croation, a term he picked up while vacationing in Croatia during his childhood. He chose this phrase as his musical persona to illustrate how his music correlates sonically with the surreal soundscapes he creates. vidnaObmana is a prolific composer whose diverse body of work ranges from post-industrial through gently atmospheric, to tribal ambient and more. His music slowly shifts through electronic audio imagery, creating extremely personal works of atmospheric delight. Throughout his career, vidnaObmana has explored the abrasive side of electronic composition, using freeform soundscapes, international music traditions, and post-classical experimentations. His music has been released widely by many independent labels worldwide, including: Release/Relapse, Amplexus, Extreme, Hypnos, Mirage, Multimood, Projekt and others. A significant portion of vidnaObmana's work has been realized in collaboration with some of the world's most interesting musicians such as Alio Die, Jeff Pearce, Steve Roach, Djen Ajakan Shean, Asmus Tietchens, and Brannan Lane. FLIER: A concert flier is available for download at http://soundscapes.us/flier4_vo.pdf You are encouraged to take an active role in the health of the electronic music scene by printing, displaying, and distributing this flier. Forwarding of this email message helps, too! ROBERT RICH: Robert Rich will come to the Soundscapes Concert Series on Saturday, July 12, 2003. Tickets will be $20 at the door and $17 in advance (on sale starting April 20). Tickets for the July 12 Robert Rich concert which are purchased at the April 19 Soundscapes are $15 only for vidnaObmana ticket-holders. A concert flier for the Robert Rich show is available for download at http://soundscapes.us/flier5_rr.pdf [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 4:55 pm Subject: Re: Columbia Tribute CD Hmmm... missed this somehow, what's the tracklist? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40334 Re: Columbia Tribute CD Robert Asmus plastics67 Tue 4/15/2003 3 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 5:42 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Columbia Tribute CD Check out this weblink that has the tracklist and artwork http://www.geocities.com/coolbeansstudios/tribute_cd.html Robert Asmus -----Original Message----- From: dweller_benthos [mailto:benthonic@e...] Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:56 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: [tadream] Re: Columbia Tribute CD Hmmm... missed this somehow, what's the tracklist? ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:06 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Columbia Tribute CD link not working due to high traffic dale Administrator for Kay-Net.com admin@k... 661-723-0266 Your best source for Computer Products, Internet needs and Knowledge. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Robert Asmus' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 10:42 AM Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: Columbia Tribute CD > Check out this weblink that has the tracklist and artwork > > > http://www.geocities.com/coolbeansstudios/tribute_cd.html > > Robert Asmus > > -----Original Message----- > From: dweller_benthos [mailto:benthonic@e...] > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:56 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: Columbia Tribute CD > > Hmmm... missed this somehow, what's the tracklist? > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: 'Administrator' Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:23 pm Subject: April Gathering As events would have it, it does not look like I will be able to get away to go. There are many reasons. Among them is, I am still unpacking, wife's illness, money, time and the classes I am taking right now. Just isn't going to work if I take off a few days and head out there. Even my day job is demanding my time at that time slot. Those who do make it, have a great time! Just let me know when the CD / video is ready. If I find some time to sneak away, it will be on the weekend and only for a few hours. It is a 4 + hour drive there. Dale From: Morgan Feldon Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 6:48 pm Subject: Columbia Tribute CD Can someone send me the files from this site? >Check out this weblink that has the tracklist and artwork > >http://www.geocities.com/coolbeansstudios/tribute_cd.html > >Robert Asmus -Morgan feldon(at)feldoncentral.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40338 Re: Columbia Tribute CD jarek@w... jerryplpl Tue 4/15/2003 3 KB From: Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:00 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Columbia Tribute CD Well, once again... You can download the zipped files (in one big file: ca. 4.6MB) here: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/files/trib_cd_art.zip My TD website is located on the paid (sponsored) server so there are no special speed nor connection limits like those on Yahoo :-) Enjoy! __________________________ Jarek 'Jerry' mailto:jarek@w... Visit my websites at: http://www.tangerinedream.pl/ http://www.klausmusic.pl/ http://www.wiktorowicz.pl/ > -----Original Message----- > From: Morgan Feldon [mailto:feldon@f...] > Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 8:48 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Columbia Tribute CD > > > Can someone send me the files from this site? > > >Check out this weblink that has the tracklist and artwork > > > >http://www.geocities.com/coolbeansstudios/tribute_cd.html > > > >Robert Asmus > > -Morgan > feldon(at)feldoncentral.com > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to > http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 11:18 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle Back in Print Steven: Do all six have to be read, or is each book fairly self contained? Does the book provide any deeper insight into the movie (like, say, DUNE), or was the movie so loose of an adaptation that comparison's shouldn't be applied? -j -----Original Message----- From: scfeldman@j... [mailto:scfeldman@j...] For those who don't know, the KEEP was the first of six books in a series. Our buddy Molasar appears in the first, fourth, fifth and sixth books, and Glaeken appears in the first and the sixth. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40341 Re: F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle Back in Print Jim Moore moxica93 Wed 4/16/2003 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 1:16 am Subject: Columbia Tribute CD Artwork is now mirrored at: http://www.feldoncentral.com/tddisc/columbia/ -Morgan From: 'Jim Moore' Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 1:32 am Subject: RE: [tadream] F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle Back in Print Jeez, I apostrophized a plural... I can hear my grammar teacher wailing from here... -----Original Message----- From: Jim Moore [mailto:moxica@a...] or was the movie so loose of an adaptation that comparison's shouldn't be applied? From: scfeldman@j... Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 1:57 am Subject: Definitely Read F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle! On Tue, 15 Apr 2003 19:18:41 -0400 'Jim Moore' writes: >Do all six have to be read, or is each book fairly self contained? Arguably, the first three -- THE KEEP, THE TOMB and THE TOUCH -- are self-contained, but the first five all tie up in the sixth book, NIGHTWORLD, while the main character from the second book, THE TOMB -- named Repairman Jack -- is featured prominently in the second, fourth (REBORN), fifth (REPRISAL) and sixth (NIGHTWORLD) books. REBORN and REPRISAL sort of form a two-part sequel to THE KEEP, while NIGHTWORLD is a sequel to REBORN, REPRISAL and the entire rest of the series. To really appreciate the final book, the entire series should be read, because elements of all of them are dealt with. Personally, my faves were THE KEEP and THE TOUCH, although I think that THE TOUCH is not all that popular among the author's fans. In REPRISAL, we learn just how big a prick Molasar really is, and in NIGHTWORLD the true scope of his horrific power is displayed: black holes open up all over the world and nasty creatures from a demonic dimension issue forth during nighttime, while, all the while, the days get shorter and shorter, edging ever nearer to the time when there will be no sunlight at all and the demonic takeover will be complete as the planet Earth becomes a nightworld. It is quite Lovecraftian and apocalyptic: not for the faint of heart. Better than Clive Barker, if you ask me (and I'm a Barker fan!). >Does the book provide any deeper insight into the movie (like, >say, DUNE), or was the movie so loose of an adaptation that >comparison's shouldn't be applied? No, read the book. It's kickass. It has much more depth, and presents a series of really cool mindgames and revelations. And the ending is *much* more satisfying -- not nearly as facile and lame as that in the movie. The extended TV ending where Magda (called Eva in the movie) revives Glaeken pales in comparison, too. Molasar and Glaeken really go at it, and Magda is really put through the wringer, too. > -j -- Steven Feldman + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + | 'Absence of evidence is not evidence of absence' -- Albert Einstein | | 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence' -- Me | + - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - + [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40349 Re: Definitely Read F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle! Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Wed 4/16/2003 2 KB 40362 Re: Definitely Read F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle! Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Thu 4/17/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 9:26 am Subject: Zebbyworld & Murphy Hello people - Is Zebbyworld updated any more? I see no updates after 2001 something. So, M. Scaffer and J. Burek - are you there anymore? This site is among my top 5 TD fansites, but unfortunately, the 'is' may be about to turn into 'was'... --- Perhaps I should propose a new Internet law, of the Murphy category: 'A great site that's updated frequently will not be updated frequently after you've discovered it.' Corollary: 'You may see some updates again after losing all hope and interest in the site.' I'ven't seen this one in any collection of the various 'Murphy's Laws' yet; so if I am the first to invent this one, I could name it Juho's Law (after my *real* first name).. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ STOP MORE SPAM with the new MSN 8 and get 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Brad Kuhn' Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 1:42 pm Subject: re: ISO Digital Soundtrack Collection Did any of the posters looking for this get a response? I am also looking for this set. It appears that there quite a few of us newbies around who didn't get this when it first got tree'd. I am willing to start several vines on this if someone would be willing to send me a set (I will trade for them and can send you my list). I will start four vines - one in North America, one in South America, one in Europe, and one rest of world. This way, anyone who wants it, should be able to get a set. Can anyone help out? Many thanks! B np - TT17 From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 1:20 pm Subject: Zebbyworld >John Vertical said: >Hello people - Is Zebbyworld updated any more? I see no updates after 2001 >something. So, M. Scaffer and J. Burek - are you there anymore? This site is >among my top 5 TD fansites, but unfortunately, the 'is' may be about to turn >into 'was'... I instantly leap to their rescue. :) Zebbyworld stands as an excellent, needed site for the serious collector. There is no site to take its place even if it were not updated for another 10 years. The tracklists for the shows since it was updated are available. Just look at the back cover for the artwork of each on TT1-TT3. :) >'A great site that's updated frequently will not be updated frequently after >you've discovered it.' Keeping a website updated requires Time, Time, and, typically, HTML knowledge. I've found that the only way to keep a sufficiently updated website is if the site is driven by a Content Management System of some kind. In brief, the artwork is there, the pages are plugged in and locked down. Anyone with the password can login and change the text and add new sections without any risk of negatively affecting the artwork/layout. -Morgan P.S. Still wish they'd fix the Poland '83 timing and investigate further the claims (I have a tape and access to the person who recorded it) that the Budapest '82 show had Kiew Mission performed sans lyrics. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40346 Re: Newsflash TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Wed 4/16/2003 3 KB 40347 Re: Newsflash Morgan Feldon feldon23 Wed 4/16/2003 2 KB 40357 Re: Zebbyworld - Zebby speaks doctorzebby doctorzebby Thu 4/17/2003 4 KB 40358 Re: Zebbyworld - Zebby speaks TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 4/17/2003 3 KB 40359 Re: Zebbyworld - Zebby speaks matthewsawyer matthewsawyer Thu 4/17/2003 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:41 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newsflash >Hello List, I´ve got a couple of hot news items: 1. Mota Atma has finally arrived from the pressing plant. We will put it up for ordering in the TDI webshop in the next few days. You may want to start checking from tomorrow evening onwards. 2. spring clean: Edgar and Jerome have done a spring clean of their studios and storage chambers. We have uncovered a lot of rare and vintage merchandise that we will start auctioning off on e-Bay in the next few weeks for reasonable prices. They are also planning to part with some of their older live and studio gear and DJ-equipment, which will also be sold via e-Bay. Thus, you might want to start to watch out for the seller 'tdi_shop' on e-bay.de and e-bay.com. This will be our offical e-bay shop, selling directly from our office. I will post another note as soon as we start putting the items up for auction (probably mid to late next week)... and on this note I want to wish all of you a Happy Easter, in case we do not mail or talk before that. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40347 Re: Newsflash Morgan Feldon feldon23 Wed 4/16/2003 2 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 4:56 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Newsflash >From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak >. spring clean: Edgar and Jerome have done a spring clean of their studios >and storage chambers. We have uncovered a lot of rare and vintage >merchandise that we will start auctioning off on e-Bay in the next few >weeks for reasonable prices. They are also planning to part with some of >their older live and studio gear. Wonder if we will find any unused tapes like '76 or '77 concert dubs taped to the inside of any of this equipment. :D When Virgin comes knocking, you'll have plausible deniability. :) -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 9:43 pm Subject: Real Sohoman track list? I was wondering if anyone has any idea what the track list is for The Real Sohoman show from the Classic Tree. The back cover artwork lists songs, but no indication is made of what tracks are on which disc. I did a web search of the obvious places, but couldn't find a list of the tracks, just the disc itself. Each disc is only two tracks, so they don't match the track list either. TIA for any info. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40351 Re: Real Sohoman track list? Jeff Lester tdcrjeff Thu 4/17/2003 2 KB 40356 Re: Real Sohoman track list? doctorzebby doctorzebby Thu 4/17/2003 3 KB 40361 Re: Real Sohoman track list? Antonio Nunes ajogon Thu 4/17/2003 2 KB 40364 Re: Real Sohoman track list? dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Thu 4/17/2003 2 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 9:53 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Definitely Read F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle! You can usually tell when a book has been ripped up to make a movie. This is typical of Stephen King movies, for example. Notwithstanding my love of the music in it, I always felt that The Keep COULD have been one of the greatest horror movies ever, on a par with The Exorcist (undoubtedly the best ever that I've seen). But it was edited to shreads, disjointed, confusing, and a bit too MTV-like in places. > -----Original Message----- > And the ending is *much* more satisfying -- not nearly as facile > and lame as that in the movie. The extended TV ending where Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40362 Re: Definitely Read F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle! Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Thu 4/17/2003 3 KB From: Morgan Feldon Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 12:13 am Subject: Re: The Real Sohoman >From: 'dweller_benthos' >I was wondering if anyone has any idea what the track list is for The >Real Sohoman show from the Classic Tree. The back cover artwork lists >songs, but no indication is made of what tracks are on which disc. > >I did a web search of the obvious places, but couldn't find a list of >the tracks, just the disc itself. Each disc is only two tracks, so >they don't match the track list either. http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/82oz.html -Morgan [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Jeff Lester' Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 12:15 am Subject: Re: Real Sohoman track list? --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'dweller_benthos' wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has any idea what the track list is for The > Real Sohoman show from the Classic Tree. The back cover artwork lists > songs, but no indication is made of what tracks are on which disc. > > I did a web search of the obvious places, but couldn't find a list of > the tracks, just the disc itself. Each disc is only two tracks, so > they don't match the track list either. Here's what Morgan posted at some point: The Real Sohoman Sydney Regent Theater, Australia 22nd February 1982 Convention of the 24 9:40 White Eagle 4:36 Ayers Majestic 7:14 Logos (3) 5:50 Bondy Parade 13:00 Mojave Plan 25:00 Thermal Inversion 13:10 Remote Viewing/Force Majeure 5:00 Ending 2:40 Choronzon 9:30 Midnight in Tula 3:50 -Jeff Lester From: 'Steve Woollam' Date: Tue Apr 15, 2003 7:38 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Columbia Tribute CD Dear Robert, I would be interested in beind added to your ftp list. Best Regards, Steve Woollam. ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Robert Asmus' To: 'Tangerine Dream Tree' Sent: Tuesday, April 15, 2003 12:36 PM Subject: [tadream] Columbia Tribute CD > For anybody that is interested in downloading the shn files of the > Columbia Tribute CD. Please contact me off list so that I can get you > set up on my ftp. > > > > > > Robert Asmus > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > From: Synthhtnys@a... Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 5:46 am Subject: (OT) Erik Wollo, Paul Ellis and Tim Gennert inc oncert Portland Oregon Sorry for the OT, but I think TD fans in the Northwest might enjoy this one. Poly It brings me great pleasure to announce an evening of Ambient / Progressive / Electronic atmospheric music May 17th at Nocturnal's 1800 E. Burnside Portland Oregon. (www.nocturnalpdx.com) Tickets are $12 and are available at Music Millenium (503-231-8493) or order online at www.spottedpeccary.com. Performance starts at 7:30. This will be an all ages show. All are welcome. (Though you can buy drinks downstairs if you'd like.) Erik Wollo Is a composer from Norway that creates music that is both lyrical and rhythmic, demonstrating high sensibility on melodic and structural formations. With his diverse musical background, he successfully integrates elements of jazz, rock, ethnic, and classical music. Melodic textures and synth-sounds appear on his albums to bridge technology with the natural sound of acoustic guitar. His music offers the listener a highly original and exciting musical experience. Recently, he has released his third album with Spotted Peccary Music, a San Diego based label, and will be touring this May in the US to promote his latest title, Emotional Landscapes. His music has been released internationally, which has received rave reviews in music magazines worldwide, and his solo albums have appeared on radio stations in several countries. Also appearing will be the Northwest's own Paul Ellis, an electronic composer whose album Into the Liquid Unknown gathered rave reviews and placings on several lists of top ambient releases of 2002. Both Erik and Paul receieved NPR's nationally syndicated program 'Echoes' Top CD Pick. Tim Gennert who hails from The San Francisco Bay area will also be performing his own magical blend of melodic ambient compostions with guitar and synth. Please join us for an unforgettable evening of music. From: René Brenner Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 8:45 am Subject: Mota Atma ready to order According to TDI's website, Mota Atma is now ready to order for $14. Shipping is $7.20 to Switzerland? Oh well, I better wait for a copy from my local cd shop. Rene From: 'michael leon' Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 2:37 pm Subject: ''concertrecordings'' i'm looking for a seller of concertrecordings,could someone advise for me which is the best site too order from,only worry is getting ''complete recording'' and not dubbing into various crowd sounds apart from clapping obviously,ty... p.s. i rate 'AIRSCULPTURE' as being different enough from TD in style and form but not in dissapointing TD fans, what about other EM ARTISTS that would not let TD fans down,for me 'REDSHIFT' let me down bigtime,wimper... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40363 Re: ''concertrecordings'' Bruce bruce_dunnett Thu 4/17/2003 3 KB 40365 Re: ''concertrecordings'' corporalcripp corporalcripp Thu 4/17/2003 2 KB From: 'doctorzebby' Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 12:02 am Subject: Re: Real Sohoman track list? --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'dweller_benthos' wrote: > I was wondering if anyone has any idea what the track list is for The > Real Sohoman show from the Classic Tree. The back cover artwork lists > songs, but no indication is made of what tracks are on which disc. > > I did a web search of the obvious places, but couldn't find a list of > the tracks, just the disc itself. Each disc is only two tracks, so > they don't match the track list either. > > TIA for any info. Please forgive the flagrant advertising opportunity, but if you want to know what was played at the show, you could do worse than try 'WHAT DREAMS ARE MADE OF - The Tangerine Dream Concert Track Listing' at http://www.zebbyworld.demon.co.uk/TD/TDchoose.html and navigating your way to the Australia '82 tour. Not that I've got any personal involvement in this :) Mark From: 'doctorzebby' Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 11:49 pm Subject: Re: Zebbyworld - Zebby speaks --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Morgan Feldon wrote: > > >John Vertical said: > >Hello people - Is Zebbyworld updated any more? I see no updates after 2001 > >something. So, M. Scaffer and J. Burek - are you there anymore? This site is > >among my top 5 TD fansites, but unfortunately, the 'is' may be about to turn > >into 'was'... > > I instantly leap to their rescue. :) > > Zebbyworld stands as an excellent, needed site for the serious collector. > There is no site to take its place even if it were not updated for another > 10 years. Aww shucks, I'm going all red :) I'm glad you've asked this, at least we know that *someone's* reading the thing! We ARE still here, and the site IS being updated. This takes time because (a) John and I both have jobs (b) the tracklists are cross-referenced in the index, so we'd rather get them right than put up rough drafts which have to be changed later (c) there's a lot of subjectivity going into them (yes, even into umpteen renditions of Inferno) I personally haven't heard any fan recording of the Inferno shows, so they haven't gone up. As for the Astoria show, I've seen some rough and ready tracklists up here, but I didn't agree with most of them. As a Beatle fan myself, I find it hard to reconcile what I heard as the last encore with Back In The USSR! But perhaps a tape copy and a few hours will change my mind. If folks would find it useful just to have 'as is' 1st drafts put up pro tem, then we can do that. > >'A great site that's updated frequently will not be updated frequently after > >you've discovered it.' > > Keeping a website updated requires Time, Time, and, typically, HTML > knowledge. I've found that the only way to keep a sufficiently updated > website is if the site is driven by a Content Management System of some > kind. In brief, the artwork is there, the pages are plugged in and locked > down. Anyone with the password can login and change the text and add new > sections without any risk of negatively affecting the artwork/layout. > > -Morgan And one out of three isn't bad...as time allows, more will go up there. Part of the problem is that I'm probably too much of a perfectionist - if I'd had my way, the site still wouldn't be known to fans now, because I'd be forever making changes to it... I hope you won't relegate us from your top 5 *just* yet - if you think it's big now, wait till you see what we're going to add... ;) Best wishes, Mark Schaffer (Zebby himself) PS I've just received TT3 - not bad at all. Can anyone please help me get my hands on the earlier trees, in SHN format if possible? Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40358 Re: Zebbyworld - Zebby speaks TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak manicmort Thu 4/17/2003 3 KB 40359 Re: Zebbyworld - Zebby speaks matthewsawyer matthewsawyer Thu 4/17/2003 2 KB From: TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 6:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: Zebbyworld - Zebby speaks I find it hard to reconcile what I heard as >the last encore with Back In The USSR! But perhaps a tape copy and a >few hours will change my mind. If folks would find it useful just to >have 'as is' 1st drafts put up pro tem, then we can do that. > Dear Mark, but it actually was... a very free interpretation of 'Back in the USSR', hence, the tracklisting seems to be right at least in that point. Oh yes, while we are with this - does anyone of you possess a good audience recording from the Astoria show? Jerome would be highly interested in hearing it, as we only did a straight from the soundboard recording. Please e-mail me off-list... Thanks. Best regards, Martin Kasprzak TDI- Music- Support. Tel:-49-30-23620995 Fax:-49-30-23620996 Visit our Website at: http://www.tangerinedream.org [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40359 Re: Zebbyworld - Zebby speaks matthewsawyer matthewsawyer Thu 4/17/2003 2 KB From: 'matthewsawyer' Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 9:40 am Subject: Re: Zebbyworld - Zebby speaks --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, TDI MUSIC - Martin Kasprzak wrote: > Oh yes, while we are with this - does anyone > of you possess a good audience recording from > the Astoria show? Jerome would be highly > interested in hearing it, as we only did a > straight from the soundboard recording. Please > e-mail me off-list... Recording a concert from the audience? Isn't that illegal? :-) Tell Jerome I'd be happy to swap for a copy of any 1976 concert soundboard recording... Maff From: 'piotr3' Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 11:55 am Subject: Re: [tadream] TT3 KUDOS...... Hi, > > Well TT4 **may** consist of the following concerts: > --London Astoria 15 Feb. 2003 mix of two Minidisc master recordings 3 cdr I can give my recording (169:30 min) from Sony DAT. > > regards > Heiko PS. Information to Emanuel Neto : write to me on sulas@a... (works) Piotr S. 'Millennium' Strona zawierajaca informacje o nieoficjalnych nagraniach Tangerine Dream : http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ http://www.tangerinedream.friko.pl/ From: Antonio Nunes Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 12:08 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Real Sohoman track list? dweller_benthos wrote: > > I was wondering if anyone has any idea what the track list is for The > Real Sohoman show from the Classic Tree. The back cover artwork lists > songs, but no indication is made of what tracks are on which disc. Some people answered already, giving the track list, but I think that what was being asked was which songs are in each track. So here it goes: Disc 1: Track 1 - Convention of the 24, White Eagle, Ayers Majestic, Logos Track 2 - Bondy Parade, Mojave Plan (incomplete) Disc 2: Track 1 - Mojave Plan (cont.), Thermal Inversion, Remote Viewing, Force Majeure Track 2 - Choronzon, Midnight in Tula. Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40364 Re: Real Sohoman track list? dweller_benthos dweller_benthos Thu 4/17/2003 2 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 12:20 pm Subject: Re: Definitely Read F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle! >From: 'Joe Shoults' >Date: Wed Apr 16, 2003 9:53 pm >Subject: RE: [tadream] Definitely Read F. Paul Wilson's Adversary Cycle! > >You can usually tell when a book has been ripped up to make a movie. This >is typical of Stephen King movies, for example. Although _Salem's Lot_ made a great TV miniseries. Yes, it's dated terribly, but seeing this over two nights waaayyyyyyy back in September of 1981, still ranks as the most cataclysmically terrifying experience of my life. It seems that a lot of people my age have a similar memory of this... Isn't this being remade? Can't possibly be as good. And it's such a shame that Stephen King never wrote the sequel he often talked about. If any book was ever set up for a natural, unforced sequel (rather than just a cynical cashing-in exercise), _Salem's Lot_ is it. It's my all-time favourite 'good bad book', to use George Orwell's phrase. (Along with _The Day of the Jackal_.) A great book to help in learning foreign languages, 'cos I practically know the English version by heart, so don't have to keep referring back and forth between two editions. Glynn TD content: Edgar Froese From: 'Bruce' Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 10:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] ''concertrecordings'' free system project, mate, that's what you want ----- Original Message ----- From: 'michael leon' To: Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2003 3:37 PM Subject: [tadream] ''concertrecordings'' > i'm looking for a seller of concertrecordings,could someone advise > for me which is the best site too order from,only worry is > getting ''complete recording'' and not dubbing into various crowd > sounds apart from clapping obviously,ty... p.s. i rate 'AIRSCULPTURE' > as being different enough from TD in style and form but not in > dissapointing TD fans, what about other EM ARTISTS that would not let > TD fans down,for me 'REDSHIFT' let me down bigtime,wimper... > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 6:16 pm Subject: Re: Real Sohoman track list? --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Antonio Nunes wrote: > Some people answered already, giving the track list, but I think that > what was being asked was which songs are in each track. So here it goes: > > Disc 1: > Track 1 - Convention of the 24, White Eagle, Ayers Majestic, Logos > Track 2 - Bondy Parade, Mojave Plan (incomplete) > > Disc 2: > Track 1 - Mojave Plan (cont.), Thermal Inversion, Remote Viewing, Force > Majeure > Track 2 - Choronzon, Midnight in Tula. > > Antonio Nunes Yes, thanks to everyone who replied, and the zebbyworld resource will be valuable in the future. For some reason, it didn't show on the first few pages of my google search :-) ps - If anyone's interested, I've just about completed artwork for a Classic Tree box/slipcase/wrapper. I'll be putting it up on my website in the next day or two. From: 'corporalcripp' Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 7:13 pm Subject: Re: ''concertrecordings'' -- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'michael leon' wrote: > i'm looking for a seller of concertrecordings,could someone advise > for me which is the best site too order from,only worry is > getting ''complete recording'' and not dubbing into various crowd > sounds apart from clapping obviously,ty... p.s. i rate 'AIRSCULPTURE' > as being different enough from TD in style and form but not in > dissapointing TD fans, what about other EM ARTISTS that would not let > TD fans down,for me 'REDSHIFT' let me down bigtime,wimper... Get Free System Projekt's 'Atmospheric Conditions' all live 2cd set- Bob From: 'Brad Kuhn' Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 3:20 pm Subject: Those of You ISO of Digital Soundtrack Collection Several people have been looking for the Digital Soundtrack Collection over the last few weeks (I've been one of them!). Matthew Sawyer has taken pity on me and sending me a set. I will be vine-ing the set out to different regions of the world once I get the discs. So hang tight and watch for an announcement from me later with details. Thanks! B From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 9:21 pm Subject: Schedule Change SCHEDULE CHANGE! Tonight's live/on-air/in-studio concert by vidnaObmana is being moved to the first hour of EMUSIC. By moving his concert up by one hour, he will be in bed that much sooner in order to rest up for his next three concerts, the last three in North America for 2003 and the forseeable future. You can listen to tonight's concert internationally by visiting http://wdiy.org and clicking on Listen. Everyone in the Lehigh Valley can tune their radios to 88.1 FM in the Allentown and Bethlehem area or 93.9 FM in the Easton and Phillipsburg area. Musically yours, Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: moxica@a... Date: Thu Apr 17, 2003 9:18 pm Subject: TD Ringtones Does anyone know if there are any Tangerine Dream ringtones available for the Motorola T720 phones? I'm getting kind of tired of 'Funkytown'... - jim -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40372 Re: TD Ringtones gyedid01 gyedid01 Fri 4/18/2003 2 KB 40373 Re: TD Ringtones Antonio Nunes ajogon Fri 4/18/2003 2 KB 40375 Re: TD Ringtones PENFOLD penfold235 Sat 4/19/2003 3 KB 40378 Re: TD Ringtones Gary Jenkins hyperboreauk Sat 4/19/2003 3 KB 40381 Re: TD Ringtones Colin Jouxson convention24 Sat 4/19/2003 3 KB 40374 Re: TD Ringtones moxica@a... moxica93 Fri 4/18/2003 2 KB 40376 Re: TD Ringtones John Vertical omegatransfinito Sat 4/19/2003 2 KB 40377 Re: TD Ringtones Antonio Nunes ajogon Sat 4/19/2003 2 KB 40389 Re: TD Ringtones Glenb@t... beestoneg Sun 4/20/2003 4 KB From: 'Bill Fox' Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 1:28 pm Subject: EMUSIC Playlist #317 for April 17, 2003 EMUSIC is an electronic, ambient, and space music show, that airs each Thursday at 11:00 pm on WDIY 88.1 FM, Allentown and Bethlehem, PA and 93.9 FM in Easton, PA and Phillipsburg, NJ. Show #317 April 17, 2003. RECAP: On this show, I continued the month-long focus on vidnaObmana, an internationally acclaimed ambient artist from Belgium who played an in-studio radio concert and will perform area concerts at the next Gate to Moonbase Alpha in Philadelphia on April 18 and at the Soundscapes Concert Series in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania on April 19. The Featured CD at Midnight was replaced by the in- studio concert. The Vinyl Starter was from the LP 'Grand Canyon' by Tomita on the RCA Red Seal label. The Featured CD at midnight was replaced by a live concert in the first half of the show. The second half of the show was formatted like what normally transpires in the first half of EMUSIC. vidnaObmana - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic/playlists/2003/focus03.html#apr Soundscapes Concert Series - http://soundscapes.us PLAYLIST: ARTIST TRACK ALBUM (label) ======================= ======================== ============================== 11:00 pm vidnaObmana In-studiio Concert live on EMUSIC 12:00 am Tomita Sunset Grand Canyon (RCA Red Seal) Anthony De Gennaro Orbit The Message Service (none) Mark G. E. and The Darkest Hour/Dawning Abstract Air (Internal Jim Skeel Combustion) Joint Intelligence Best Before End Grow (Bogus Focus) Committee Hypnosphere Anguish Within the Whirl (Spheric) VA [Robert Rich] Folded Space * A Slight Touch of Grace (Release) 1:00 am * = exerpt VA = Various Artists (compilation) NEXT SHOW: On the next EMUSIC, I'll continue the month-long focus on vidnaObmana. The Featured CD at Midnight will be replaced by a live, in-studio radio concert by vidnaObmana. The Vinyl Starter will be from the LP 'Pinnacles' by Edgar Froese on Virgin Records. I will also play the music of Mother Mallard's Portable Masterpiece Company who will be appearing at the Gatherings concert series on May 10. Bill =============================================================================== Host of EMUSIC, an electronic, ambient, and space music show, Thursdays at 11 pm (GMT-5:00) on WDIY 88.1 FM in Allentown and Bethlehem and 93.9 FM in Easton and Phillipsburg. Listen on-line to WDIY at http://wdiy.org and click LISTEN EMUSIC web site - http://wdiy.org/programs/emusic To subscribe to the EMUSIC-on-WDIY mailing list, click on [Join This Group!] at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/emusic-wdiy [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 1:46 pm Subject: tribute cdr Hello Dreamers, I'm back and so, you can contact me if you're a branch of mine in the tribute cdr tree. Best Regards, Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:30 pm Subject: KRAUTROCKNET.COM NEWSLETTER - free full length album mp3 downloads Hey folks, I might not have fully read this newsletter had I not seen my friend moho mentioned, but I'm forwarding it because I think several folks here will like moho's music. If you like Ozrics, you certainly will. As always, please support the artists, especially those who market through free distribution! Joe > Good Evening and a happy holiday... > > Since we have not had the time to update www.krautrocknet.com since > February we'll be sending out a regular newsletter full of stuff that > will appear in our newspages. > > Were still getting lots of news, MP3s and other goodies being > stockpiled so expect a merry little message from us in your mailbox > every couple of weeks! > > It would be really cool if any other Yahoo Groups could post this > newsletter on their groups (we wouldn't like to break any other > groups 'rules')! > > Contents > FREE DOWNLOAD ALBUM No 1 - Mohodisco > FREE DOWNLOAD ALBUM No 2 - Ian Eccles Smith > Damo Suzuki's Never-Ending Tour! > SINIAALTO > More downloads - audioMaul! > > FREE DOWNLOAD ALBUM No 1 > 'Steve aka koolkat' passed this on > via 'mp3_progressiverock@yahoogroups.com' > Hey Group, Just wanted to pass on a band I was turned onto called > Mohodisco. This really Smokes! Kinda sounds like Ozric Tentacles, but > BETTER! You can check out the website, plus download the whole cd! > If you like it, buy it! Support the Independent artist! > http://www.mohodisco.com > http://www.live365.com/stations/koolkat2 Koolkat's Odd Sky Radio > http://groups.msn.com/KoolkatsOddSky Odd Sky Group > ProgDay! An International Festival of Music > http://www.progday.com > > He's right, this is like the Ozrics with out the Ethno-dub! > > FREE DOWNLOAD ALBUM No 2 > Ian Eccles Smith has just completed a new work, Apsilene. It was > developed with the assistance of David Toop and Paul Schütze. He's > created music that has, at its core, a prog-rock sensibility and > approach. > It is available, as a free download, in its entirety from > http://www.ianesmith.com/work.asp?workID=1 > > Ian's album is progessive in it's truest sense, loads of different > musical styles fused into a flavour of it's own! > > DAMO SUZUKI > Damo Suzuki, proudly visiting musical spaces where no man has ever > been before will be embarking on a lengthy series of gigs. Damo > favours improvisation over a fixed set list and is looking for 'Sound > Carriers' for some of his gigs. Any brave, budding musos can contact > Damo from his website: http://www.damosuzuki.de/. > > April 27 2003 > Russia, St. Petersburg, Festival > > May 01 2003 > Russia, St. Petersburg Red Club > > May 03 2003 Russia, Moscow, OGI > > Damo Suzuki with The Excalceolators > September 09 2003 > Canada, Guelph Festival > > > Damo Suzuki with Gerd Dudeck (Sax, Oboe), Dominik Von Senger (Guitar) > and Tier Der Nacht: Mani Neumeier (Drums), Luigi Archetti (Guitar) > July 26 2003 > Germany, Finkenbach Festival > > Damo Suzuki with DEFENDER: > Jorge Ledezma (Guitar), Angel Ledezma (Drums), Lorna Lithgow > (Keyboards) and Matt Lux (Bass) > June 16 2003, USA ,New York, Tonic > > Damo Suzuki with Mandra Gora Lightshow Society: Willem Kucharzik > (Guitar), Anders Becker (Organ & E-Piano), Timo Lommatzsch (Samples & > Synthesizers), Gitte Rents (Drums) and Cactus Cooper (Guitar) > > June 08 2003 > Germany, Hannover, A Swamp Room Happening (Festival) > > Damo Suzuki with: No Soundcarriers yet > May 16 2003 > USA, New York, Tonic > > Damo Suzuki with Joel Peterson (Strings and Winds), Mark Sawasky > (Percussion), Marko Novachcoff (Winds), Djeto Juncaj (Strings and > Accordion) and Frank Pahl (Euphonium and Organ) > May 15 2003 > USA, Detroit, Detroit Art Space > > Damo Suzuki with VERSPIELTE ZEIT: > Roland Reimann (Guitar), Frank Diedrich (Bass), Detlef Ramb (Drums) > and Axel Malton (Keyboard) > > May 10 2003 > Germany, Spenge/Bielefeld,Irrlicht Moorrock Festival > > Damo Suzuki with Boris Shaveinikov (Drums), Vladimir Volkov (Bass), > Nick Rubanov (Sax), Mikhail Kolovskiy (Tuba) and Slava Kurashov > (Guitar) > > SINIAALTO, Finnish electronic kraut-rock trio, is releasing a brand > new 7' on If Society (http://www.ifsociety.com/). The 7' is due out > in May ´03. > > This time Siniaalto comes with ultrapsychedelic 7', recorded live at > Psychotropic Zone Club, May 2003. You can almost feel the walls > surrounding you transforming into plasma while deep analogue > arpeggios catch your mind that is twisting like a caleidoscope > through the depths of unreal. Highly recommended to fans of 70s > Tangerine Dream. > > To order the record send 4€/$4 to > If Society > Seunalantie 1a > 00730 Helsinki > FINLAND > > Brian Baker is an experimental/avant-garde artist with a group called > audioMaul. Very head trippy... You can find them at his web address- > > http://www.iuma.com/IUMA/Bands/audioMaul/ > > The latest single is called 'Armyrape', based on the current war > vs.'don't ask don't tell'. It's getting a good buzz. You'll find the > latest full length called 'Beanhill' there too; as well as previous > sound-art mixtures. > > Most of the tracks are super twisted, so be warned...LOL > Please leave a comment with Brian if you wish. > > That's all for now folks - Spread the Word! > subscribe: krautrocknet@y... > http://www.krautrocknet.com > From: 'gyedid01' Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 7:35 pm Subject: Re: TD Ringtones --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, moxica@a... wrote: > Does anyone know if there are any Tangerine Dream ringtones available for the > Motorola T720 phones? I'm getting kind of tired of 'Funkytown'... > > - jim What would a TD ringtone sound like, a sequencer line from one of their pieces? TD melodies tend to be a bit on the fragmentary side... if you spend a bit of time playing around, I'm sure you could program the melody of 'Streethawk' into your phone, or something like that. Gabe From: Antonio Nunes Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:31 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Ringtones gyedid01 wrote: > What would a TD ringtone sound like, a sequencer line from one of > their pieces? TD melodies tend to be a bit on the fragmentary side... > > if you spend a bit of time playing around, I'm sure you could program > the melody of 'Streethawk' into your phone, or something like that. I've found 2 TD ringtones on a Portuguese site. One of them is actually 'Streethawk' and the other is 'Hyde Park'. You can hear them on http://logos.terravista.pt/terra_res.shtml?target=artist&query=tangerine+dream If this complex link doesn't work, just go to http://logos.terravista.pt/tone and perform a search (Pesquisa) by artist (por artista). Antonio Nunes Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40375 Re: TD Ringtones PENFOLD penfold235 Sat 4/19/2003 3 KB 40378 Re: TD Ringtones Gary Jenkins hyperboreauk Sat 4/19/2003 3 KB 40381 Re: TD Ringtones Colin Jouxson convention24 Sat 4/19/2003 3 KB From: moxica@a... Date: Fri Apr 18, 2003 8:40 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Ringtones The polyphonic tones are pretty cool (I found 'Sanford and Son' theme today), though some sound pretty corny. You *can* make your own tones, but programming the sequence for Streethawk would be a bear, though. -- Jim Moore, Atlanta, Georgia, USA moxica@a... > > if you spend a bit of time playing around, I'm sure you could program > the melody of 'Streethawk' into your phone, or something like that. > From: PENFOLD Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:16 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Ringtones At 2003.04.18-21:31, Antonio Nunes wrote: >I've found 2 TD ringtones on a Portuguese site. One of them is actually >'Streethawk' and the other is 'Hyde Park'. You can hear them on >http://logos.terravista.pt/terra_res.shtml?target=artist&query=tangerine+dream Sounds great, but how *do* you d/l them? My spanish isn't all that great and portugese is greek to me Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40378 Re: TD Ringtones Gary Jenkins hyperboreauk Sat 4/19/2003 3 KB 40381 Re: TD Ringtones Colin Jouxson convention24 Sat 4/19/2003 3 KB From: 'John Vertical' Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 10:24 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Ringtones >What would a TD ringtone sound like, a sequencer line from one of >their pieces? TD melodies tend to be a bit on the fragmentary side... > >if you spend a bit of time playing around, I'm sure you could program >the melody of 'Streethawk' into your phone, or something like that. > >Gabe Stratosfear or the first sequenced Monolight movement would make excellent ringtones, IMHO. John Vertical _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: smart spam protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 11:06 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Ringtones PENFOLD wrote: > > Sounds great, but how *do* you d/l them? > My spanish isn't all that great and portugese is greek to me I'm sorry, you can't get them from that site. Only customers from the 3 Portuguese cellphone networks can. But I'm sure there are similar sites for other countries. My point was just to mention that somebody had already programmed the melody of 'Streethawk' into a cellphone. Antonio Nunes From: 'Gary Jenkins' Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 11:08 am Subject: Re: TD Ringtones --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, PENFOLD wrote: If you have a Nokia or Samsung phone try WWW.jippii.com . > At 2003.04.18-21:31, Antonio Nunes wrote: > >I've found 2 TD ringtones on a Portuguese site. One of them is actually > >'Streethawk' and the other is 'Hyde Park'. You can hear them on > >http://logos.terravista.pt/terra_res.shtml? target=artist&query=tangerine+dream > > Sounds great, but how *do* you d/l them? > My spanish isn't all that great and portugese is greek to me > > > Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° > mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead > http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html > Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 > 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the > $$.....Damn!!!!! > 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven > Feldman > > Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40381 Re: TD Ringtones Colin Jouxson convention24 Sat 4/19/2003 3 KB From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:03 pm Subject: New Music For Films vol.2 Hello, Dreamers, I have a MINT CF's New Music For Film volume 2 CD to sell. Please contact me off list if interested. Best Regards, Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: atye@a... Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:43 pm Subject: FYI Bush Admin. Sides With Recording Industry April 18, 2003 By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS Filed at 6:53 p.m. ET WASHINGTON (AP) -- The Bush administration is siding with the recording industry in its court fight to force Internet providers to disclose the identities of people who are illegally trading songs over the Web. A Justice Department brief, filed Friday in U.S. District Court for the District of Columbia, supports the effort by the Recording Industry Association of America to force Verizon Internet Services Inc. to identify a subscriber suspected of offering more than 600 songs from well-known artists. Verizon has asked a federal judge to halt a subpoena for the subscriber's identity, arguing that it violates the First Amendment because it does not provide ``protection of the expressive and associational interests of Internet users.'' The subpoena was sought by the music industry under the 1998 Digital Millennium Copyright Act, which allows companies to force disclosure of Internet users' names without a judge's order. The Justice Department filing said the subpoena was legal and no First Amendment protection would be violated through disclosure of the name. The Justice Department brief contends that upholding copyright law itself would ``promote First Amendment ideals.'' The subpoena, the brief adds, ``targets the identity of alleged copyright infringers, not spoken words or conduct commonly associated with expression.'' A federal judge will now have to decide the constitutional issue, which is viewed as an important test of the 1998 law's applicability in Internet copyright cases. The Justice Department filing comes as the recording industry is expanding its fight against illegal Internet content swapping. The RIAA earlier this month filed lawsuits against four college students who allegedly offered more than 1 million copies of popular recordings. Those lawsuits, filed in New York, New Jersey and Michigan, demand that the sites be shut down and that the RIAA be paid damages of up to $150,000 per song. Recording and movie industry groups teamed up in February to send a brochure to Fortune 1000 corporations suggesting that they warn employees against using company computers to download copyrighted content from the Internet. ^------ On the Net: Recording Industry Association of America: http://www.riaa.com [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Colin Jouxson' Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:37 pm Subject: Re: TD Ringtones --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'Gary Jenkins' wrote: > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, PENFOLD wrote: > > If you have a Nokia or Samsung phone try WWW.jippii.com . > > > At 2003.04.18-21:31, Antonio Nunes wrote: > > >I've found 2 TD ringtones on a Portuguese site. One of them is > actually > > >'Streethawk' and the other is 'Hyde Park'. You can hear them on > > >http://logos.terravista.pt/terra_res.shtml? > target=artist&query=tangerine+dream > > > > Sounds great, but how *do* you d/l them? > > My spanish isn't all that great and portugese is greek to > me > > > > > > Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° Im a Lucky man,just managed to compose Tangram Part 2 on the mobile,lets be Honest,this is Mighty Mighty Dream,i just felt a dampness in my pants. Tangerine Dream-The Worlds Number 1 I hope you are all listening to the Art Of Vision,cos im going completely Dream CRAZY.I loves those chaps.GOODNIGHT. > > mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead > > http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html > > Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 > > 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't > have the > > $$.....Damn!!!!! > > 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - > Steven > > Feldman > > > > Watch the Coasters Grow! at: > http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:47 pm Subject: look at this Hi Dreamers ! After the car site, here's a must for every fan's girl friend or wife, etc. http://www.drugstore.com/qxp79528_332828_idif/lola/eye_shadow_tangerine_dream.ht\ m LOL Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40393 Re: look at this Marion Horrod MarionHorrod Sun 4/20/2003 2 KB From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:50 pm Subject: lyrics including TD Also, in http://cocaine.hypermart.net/L-cypresshill-4.htm there are the words 'tangerine dream'... but the header of the page is not very readable from my computer... Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 8:58 pm Subject: TD name again The same lyrics can be found at : http://www.cypressweb.republika.pl/teksty5.html and there is again some exotic sites with TD name : http://www.kabalarians.com/../female/tangerine-dream.htm http://www.zooscape.com/cgi-bin/maitred/RedSafari?quest=p404499&specie=US http://sport.guardian.co.uk/cricket/theobserver/story/0,10541,776480,00.html That's all ! Fred [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 9:12 pm Subject: RIAA The RIAA and MPAA have an interesting approach to assuring their profitability over the next 10 years. It's a sensational idea: Prevent online purchase of music even as it is a clear trend that people are tired of constantly buying music in each new format and would rather have it in a portable electronic form that plays everywhere. Shut down and sue for millions alternate internet radio stations which do not play the mainstream/Top 40 music & do not make any profit. Declare war on their customers especially college students. Claim that discretional spending on music CDs dropping 7% in the same period that the stock market valuation has halved and consumer confidence in the economy has dropped to 1935 levels is a *clear sign* that copyright infringement and piracy are rampant and can be controlled through litigation and making examples out of their biggest customers. The life expectancy of these organizations can be clocked with an egg timer. -Morgan From: Morgan Feldon Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 9:49 pm Subject: RIAA Addendum Just as an addendum to my last message: I do not want free music. I want music that is reasonably priced ($10 per CD) with 50% going to the artist and I can download it in OGG, mp3, or SHN format. Right now, it is $20 a CD with 2% going to the artist and they want to arrest me if I let someone else hear it. Remember, these are the same kinds of people who include every download of 3D Studio Max (a $2,000 3D modeling program used in filmmaking) by a 12 year old in their figures of 'Losses due to Copyright Infringement'. I'm sure Johnny would have bought this $2,000 program to create graphics for his History class, aren't you? -Morgan Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40387 Re: RIAA Addendum Pergamon pergamondk Sat 4/19/2003 3 KB 40388 Re: RIAA Addendum PENFOLD penfold235 Sun 4/20/2003 6 KB 40408 Re: RIAA Addendum braddito braddito Tue 4/22/2003 3 KB 40409 Re: RIAA Addendum billythefish01 billythefish01 Tue 4/22/2003 3 KB 40414 Re: RIAA Addendum Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Tue 4/22/2003 4 KB 40415 Re: RIAA Addendum Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Tue 4/22/2003 3 KB 40419 Re: RIAA Addendum Glenn Folkvord (Hyperion Media) glennfolkvord Tue 4/22/2003 2 KB From: 'Pergamon' Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 11:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RIAA Addendum And a month ago DOJ stated that people 'sharing' music or software were supporting terrorists. Jan ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Morgan Feldon' To: Sent: Saturday, April 19, 2003 11:49 PM Subject: [tadream] RIAA Addendum > Just as an addendum to my last message: > > I do not want free music. > > I want music that is reasonably priced ($10 per CD) with 50% going to the > artist and I can download it in OGG, mp3, or SHN format. > > Right now, it is $20 a CD with 2% going to the artist and they want to > arrest me if I let someone else hear it. > > > Remember, these are the same kinds of people who include every download of > 3D Studio Max (a $2,000 3D modeling program used in filmmaking) by a 12 > year old in their figures of 'Losses due to Copyright Infringement'. I'm > sure Johnny would have bought this $2,000 program to create graphics for > his History class, aren't you? > > -Morgan > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: PENFOLD Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 9:01 am Subject: Re: [tadream] RIAA Addendum At 2003.04.19-16:49, Morgan Feldon wrote: >I want music that is reasonably priced ($10 per CD) with 50% going to the >artist and I can download it in OGG, mp3, or SHN format. > >Right now, it is $20 a CD with 2% going to the artist and they want to >arrest me if I let someone else hear it. > >Remember, these are the same kinds of people who include every download of >3D Studio Max (a $2,000 3D modeling program used in filmmaking) by a 12 >year old in their figures of 'Losses due to Copyright Infringement'. I'm >sure Johnny would have bought this $2,000 program to create graphics for >his History class, aren't you? The RIAA is just as guilty of cooking the numbers as Enron & Global Crossing. Wired's February issue (11.02) ran a series of articles about the music industry and in issue11.04 in the 'Rants + Raves' reader Dave Haynie points out this fact. He points out that in 2000, 1.1 Billion CDs were shipped and in 2001 only 968.6 Million units shipped. The income was $14.3Billion in 2000 and $13.7 Billion in 2001 So in a year's time there was a -10.3% in units shipped and a -4.1% in sales. This was not due to 'piracy' it was due to the fact from 1999 to 2001 there were 12,000 *fewer* new albums put out by the labels.....a fact that the RIAA neglects to mention. What actually happened is that the music industry *increased* it's profit margin-per-album. Dave Haynie also goes on to point out that if you look closer at the 'numbers' the RIAA posts as it's 'statistics' you can't find the lost $4 Billion, but you also can't find the numbers attributing any loss due to the music industry's own Sales & Marketing practices. In my opinion here, it's the music industry that's trying to cry fowl to protect their precious inflated profit margins. They made their bed and have gotten way to cozy to the way things were done. Things have changed and now they see what a rumpled mess their bed is and now they don't want to deal with changing their sheets. The problem is so plain to see as the nose on your face. The reason people are ripping CDs is that music costs too much. After I bought my first TD album ('Exit' BTW) and playing it over and over for a month, I went to my local Tower Records and for $30 I walked out with FOUR TD albums (FYI, Tangram, Stratosfear, Rubycon & Force Majeure)!!!!! I *dare* you to be able to do *that* with Compact Discs! When CDs first came out, the average price was ~$17 and cost to press a CD was a couple of bucks.....20 years later the average price is about the same, if not higher and it costs *pennies* to press.....factor in inflation and it still doesn't add up. Another factor is that the actual general *quality* IMNSHO of the music on the market fairly sucks. How many 'laboratory bred' prettyboy haircut bands and Brittney-mutations can the public withstand being paraded as pitiful excuses for 'talent' before the industry collapses from consumer backlash. If I ran a label, I'd want artists with ability, and talent and not some glitzty costuming/packaging to cover the obvious content deficit. Sure I think that Simon Cowling is a wretched nasty bastard, but I'd sure as hell want him on my side to ensure that some good time, energy & money is used on an act or artist that has the chops and talent to get released! Good Quality speaks for itself and sells itself. Quality is the best publicity. If you make a great product with superior qualities, your satisfied customers become your best promoters, advertisers, and salespeople. €0.02 Pete Isaacson aka °º¤ø,¸DJ DreamHead¸,ø¤º° mailto:penfold@a...?subject=DJDreamHead http://www.anet.net/~penfold/)^(djdreamhead.html Yahoo Chat: penfold235 ····· AIM: PENFOLD235 1984, Saw 'The Keep' LP at Tower Records, actually held it, didn't have the $$.....Damn!!!!! 'Absence of the KEEP LP is not evidence of its non-existence.' - Steven Feldman Watch the Coasters Grow! at: http://www.anet.net/~penfold/coastergarden.html Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40408 Re: RIAA Addendum braddito braddito Tue 4/22/2003 3 KB 40409 Re: RIAA Addendum billythefish01 billythefish01 Tue 4/22/2003 3 KB From: Glenb@t... Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 7:29 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Ringtones you can save the mp3 preview thats on the site convert the MP3 to wav then use wav2midi to turn it into a ringtone Glen ----- Original Message ----- From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sat, 19 Apr 2003 12:06:15 +0100 To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: TD Ringtones > > > PENFOLD wrote: > > > > Sounds great, but how *do* you d/l them? > > My spanish isn't all that great and portugese is greek to me > > I'm sorry, you can't get them from that site. Only customers from the 3 > Portuguese cellphone networks can. But I'm sure there are similar sites > for other countries. My point was just to mention that somebody had > already programmed the melody of 'Streethawk' into a cellphone. > > Antonio Nunes > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup From: Thomas Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 9:24 pm Subject: CDs for sale Hi, I'm cleaning out the basement, and am wanting to sell some of my cds. Please email me with an offer if you're interested. I will be reasonable with prices (US dollars, please). Thanks, Thomas Tangerine Dream Heartbreakers (Silva Screen) Sorcerer (MCA) Risky Business (Virgin) Alexander Square CD-S (Hansa) Deadly Care (Silva Screen) The Keep (TDI/Virgin, 2nd version) Sony Center - Topping out score CD-S Quinoa (Volt Records) Shepherds Bush (TDI, #164 of 2000) Towards the Evening Star CD-S (w/ The Orb - When!) Edgar Froese solo Macula Transfer (Manikin) Kamikaze 1989 (Virgin) Epsilon in Malaysian Pale (Virgin) Ages (Virgin) Johannes Schmoelling The Zoo of Tranquility (Erdenklang) Michael Hoenig Departure from the Norhtern Wasteland (Kuckuck) Mark Shreeve Assassin (Centaur) Powerhouse (library album) __________________________________________________ Do you Yahoo!? Yahoo! Platinum - Watch CBS' NCAA March Madness, live on your desktop! http://platinum.yahoo.com From: 'dejarrevu' Date: Sat Apr 19, 2003 11:22 am Subject: New Member : Intro & Some Questions Name : Keith Adams Country : England Listening to TD since : mid 1970's Member of lots of other e-mail groups Question 1 : What is \ are the names of the best TD Tribute albums available to buy? By 'tribute' I mean cover versions of the best TD tracks - not 'music inspired by TD'. Are these albums still available to buy? Where from? Question 2 : I have quite a few TD albums on vinyl (and lots on CD) but I have not owned a record deck in over 10 years. The vinyl albums have been safely stored away just taking up space in my bedroom. If anyone wants them please just send me an e-mail and I'll open the boxes and type up a list of what I have. I will ask you to pay for them and money to cover the costs of safely packing them and posting them to you - but I am not looking to make any kind of profit - I would just like them to go to a good home where someone can put them back onto a turntable and enjoy them. (You could ask why I do not just buy another record deck ... well, I now have a wife and children, a very busy job and no where to set up a record deck anymore. So, everything has to be played on CD in our house.) I have just read a review of the latest TD album which sounds very promising. Enough for now Keith Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40392 Re: New Member : Intro & Some Questions Antonio Nunes ajogon Sun 4/20/2003 2 KB From: Antonio Nunes Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 3:59 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] New Member : Intro & Some Questions dejarrevu wrote: > > What is \ are the names of the best TD Tribute albums available to > buy? By 'tribute' I mean cover versions of the best TD tracks - not > 'music inspired by TD'. Hi Keith, welcome to the list. The best TD tribute albums are 'Tangerine Ambience' Vol.1 and 2. They are still available from Groove: http://www.groove.nl/cd/3/32030.html and http://www.groove.nl/cd/2/22190.html Antonio Nunes From: Marion Horrod Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 6:38 pm Subject: Re: look at this Fred, I'm not sure that my 'etc.' is quite ready for this. He's been known to 'drag up' for fancy dress parties, but orange really isn't his colour. It'd go nicely with all my tangerine T-shirts though! LnH Marion 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs to be ...' S. Blakemore From: Frédéric Yargui Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: look at this / new type of advertisement LOL !!! Btw, with the Chris Franke's 'new music for films vol 2' I'm selling the 'tangerine ambience' vol 1 & 2. The former is MINT, the latter are in excellent state. An idea for mum's day / dad's day - now, you may also do it for yourself ;op ! Dream Regards, Fred ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Marion Horrod' To: Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 8:38 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: look at this > Fred, > > I'm not sure that my 'etc.' is quite ready for this. He's been known to > 'drag up' for fancy dress parties, but orange really isn't his colour. > > It'd go nicely with all my tangerine T-shirts though! > > LnH > > Marion > > 'The glass is neither half full or half empty. It's twice the size it needs > to be ...' S. Blakemore > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'VicRek' Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 1:03 am Subject: Re: [tadream] Ricochet Gathering T-Shirt FYI (For Your Information) - 111 T-Shirts are made. 21 are yellow, rest are Natural. See you soon! And thanks to those that have subscribed. Shirts will sell at $11 ea. - $12 for yellow (only at the event). So for those that love FSP (Free System Projekt) , AirSculpture (!!!), SPYRA (FAX label - Namlook), Arcane, SSO (S.Schroyder from old TD of course - Alpha Cetauri/Zeit) , Dave Brewer, Bill Fox.... This is our Fourth (4th) YEAR! This is where we will have the new BIRTH of EM! www.ricochetdream.com Be a part of It.... VicRek tangerinedream@h... www.ricochetdream.com From: 'michael leon' Date: Sun Apr 20, 2003 6:17 pm Subject: replicated dreams ok,who considers another EM band that comes closest to the tangerine dream phenonmenon,i consider AIRSCULPTURE too be the modern replacement for tangerine dream...pre Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40397 Re: replicated dreams René Brenner fairway_ch Mon 4/21/2003 2 KB 40400 Re: replicated dreams Craig Shipley craigashipley Mon 4/21/2003 3 KB 40401 Re: replicated dreams Antonio Nunes ajogon Mon 4/21/2003 2 KB 40402 Re: replicated dreams Nick Adams nicaduk Mon 4/21/2003 3 KB 40403 Re: replicated dreams VicRek kyivmission Mon 4/21/2003 3 KB 40418 Re: replicated dreams Craig Shipley craigashipley Tue 4/22/2003 3 KB 40426 Re: replicated dreams Olav Neander autopoiesis_norway Wed 4/23/2003 2 KB 40430 Re: replicated dreams Antonio Nunes ajogon Wed 4/23/2003 2 KB From: René Brenner Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 9:00 am Subject: Re: replicated dreams --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'michael leon' wrote: > ok,who considers another EM band that comes closest to the tangerine > dream phenonmenon,i consider AIRSCULPTURE too be the modern > replacement for tangerine dream...pre Free System Projekt Redshift Arcane Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40400 Re: replicated dreams Craig Shipley craigashipley Mon 4/21/2003 3 KB From: Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 10:12 am Subject: Gate of Saturn / Brain offender hello all, the track from the limited Astoria Mini-CD: 'Gate of Saturn' (05:53 min.) the Track No. 9 from the new Release MOTA ATMA: is here titled as 'Brain Offender' (05:53 min.) boths Tracks are the same tracks - no difference betwenn this tracks. Thank you goes to Michael B. You know why :-) Cheers heiko - Mr. Optical http://www.tribute-to-ashra.de http://www.opticaldream.de FREE ASHRA NEWSLETTER: Click to subscribe to ashranewsletter: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ashranewsletter/join Sign up for your Paypal account: https://www.paypal.com/refer/pal=WDJX3DNKVFJ9E cool link: http://www.klamm.de/?refid=62978 [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Matthew Sawyer' Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 11:11 am Subject: Tangerine Leaves sign-up reminder Just a quick reminder to everyone, if you wish to sign up to recieve the Tangerine Leaves discs the deadline is 25th April, this Friday. I'm reposting the signup instructions below. Maff ---------------------- Tangerine Leaves #1 will consist of a whopping 21 CDR's, and we are assuming that most people will want to pick and choose only the volumes that interest them the most. Therefore, like the Classic Tree you'll all have the option to nominate the volumes you would like to receive when you sign up. You can have them all of course, or just a handful or even just one. Below is the list of concerts for TL1; please note the volume numbers next to each one: --> Volume 1: London Dominion Theatre 06 November 1982 --> Volume 2: Burg Nideggen 24 August 2002 --> Volume 3: York Minster 20 October 1975 --> Volume 4: Toronto Massey Hall 01 September 1988 --> Volume 5: Brussels Cirque Royal 17 March 1978 --> Volume 6: Coventry Cathedral 04 October 1975 --> Volume 7: Aachen Eurogress 21 January 1981 --> Volume 8: Dublin National Stadium 01 November 1980 --> Volume 9: Berlin Reichstag 29 August 1981 --> Volume 10: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30 November 1996 Pt 1 --> Volume 11: London Shepherds Bush Empire 30 November 1996 Pt 2 --> Volume 12: Ottawa Performing Arts Center 20 June 1986 To sign up as part of Tangerine Leaves #1, visit the Yahoo groups database page located at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/database , where you'll find a database marked 'Tangerine Leaves 1 - Sign Up'. Click the database, and then select Add Record and enter the following details: Full Name - E-Mail - a suitable email address your supplier can contact you at. Location - Branch/Leaf - whether you will take part as a branch or a leaf. # Leaves - the number of leaves you will support as a branch. Redbook/SHN/SHN-FTP - your preferred format Redbook audio discs, SHN data discs or FTP access to download the SHN files. Preferred Supplier - if you have a preferred supplier that you have dealt with before, who is taking part in TL1, I'll attempt to match you up in the tree. Be warned though, I'm making no promises. Volumes - list the volumes you want to receive, using the volume numbers in the list above. Example: If you want just Dominion 82, Toronto 88 and Brussels 78, enter '1,4,5'. If you want them all, just enter 'all'. A few notes: o If you are unable to use the database for some reason, e-mail me your details to and I'll add you to the database. If you can use the database though, please do so. o Permanent Tangerine Tree participants will NOT be automatically added to TL1. This is a very different project, so if you want to take part you'll need to sign up again . o If you are signing up as a branch, _please_ consider seriously how many leaves you can support. We'd rather have a reliable branch supporting one or two leaves than an unreliable branch offering to support five leaves. o Anyone with band photos, especially ones from the concerts in TL1, feel free to email them to me for inclusion in the covers. You'll get a credit. :-). From: 'Craig Shipley' Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 12:48 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Re: replicated dreams I'd add Radio Massacre International (R.M.I.), Navigator, [`ramp] Can Atilla & Kubusschnitt to that list. They all draw from different phases of TD, with a heavy emphasis on the classic BS sound. Some 'one-of's' would be: Danger In Dream: Entrance Merge: In The Lap Of The Gods (gets a good 'Logos' groove going in the second track) Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: René Brenner [mailto:rene.brenner@f...] > Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 5:00 AM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Re: replicated dreams > > > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'michael leon' wrote: > > ok,who considers another EM band that comes closest to the tangerine > > dream phenonmenon,i consider AIRSCULPTURE too be the modern > > replacement for tangerine dream...pre > > Free System Projekt > Redshift > Arcane > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Antonio Nunes Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 2:46 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] Re: replicated dreams Craig Shipley wrote: > > I'd add Radio Massacre International (R.M.I.), Navigator, [`ramp] Can Atilla > & Kubusschnitt to that list. They all draw from different phases of TD, with > a heavy emphasis on the classic BS sound. Speaking of Can Atilla, he has just released a new album (Live) which may appeal to TD fans of the 90's and beyond. Warning: no sax and no bongos :-) There are 3 soundclips available at http://www.groove.nl/sound_a.html Antonio Nunes np: Can Atilla - Live From: 'Nick Adams' Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 2:54 pm Subject: Re: RE: [tadream] Re: replicated dreams From: 'Antonio Nunes' > Speaking of Can Atilla, he has just released a new album (Live) which may > appeal to TD fans of the 90's and beyond. Warning: no sax and no bongos > :-) Funny enough that is what i have just finished listening to, i have to say it didn't do much for me i'm afraid, maybe the fact that it *IS* so much like 90's TD that it doesn't appeal.......Maybe i will have to spin it again at a later date. The album i am now playing is the new John Lakveet album ''epikvs'' This is much more up my street!! :-) Nick PS high Ship, how long you been lurking around here ;-) Home Nicad@n... Work Nick_Adams@L... From: 'VicRek' Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 3:10 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: replicated dreams > --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, 'michael leon' wrote: > > ok,who considers another EM band that comes closest to the tangerine > > dream phenonmenon,i consider AIRSCULPTURE too be the modern > > replacement for tangerine dream...pre > > Free System Projekt > Redshift > Arcane Hmmmm, we'll 3 of these 4 groups will be hanging out in the Mojave desert in about 5 days. Sorry for the shameless plugs. :-) Also, I just received the new ANALOG OVERDOSE 2 CDs from Manikin - absolutely fantastic 2 CD set! And I look forward to Mota Atma at my USA doorstep in about 2 days. I'm excited. Vic www.ricochetdream.com From: scfeldman@j... Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 3:21 pm Subject: Gate of Saturn a Brain Offender? On Mon, 21 Apr 2003 12:12:12 +0200 writes: >the track from the limited Astoria Mini-CD: >'Gate of Saturn' (05:53 min.) > >the Track No. 9 from the new Release MOTA ATMA: is here titled as >'Brain Offender' (05:53 min.) > >both Tracks are the same tracks - no difference between this tracks. That's sort of too bad, really, considering how weak 'Gate of Saturn' is. One could indeed call it a 'Brain Offender'! ;) Honestly, I hope this track is not indicative of MOTA ATMA as a whole, because it sounds like a cross between the ROCKOON tracks 'Penguin Reference' and 'Body Corporate,' ZONING, TRANSSIBERIA, and THE SEVEN LETTERS FROM TIBET. :( >heiko - Mr. Optical Steven Feldman [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] From: 'Brian Stewart' Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 4:33 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] TD name again Hi On the subject of TD named things..... I was in a pub on Saturday night for a friends birthday. The 'Shooters' list had a drink called a 'Tangerine Dream', it was one part Aftershock Blue (Some kind of flavoured vodka) & one part Cointreau. I shudder to think what too many of those would do to you. Unfortunatly my other half had her eye on some other shot, my pal had drunk quite enough allready & I'm still pretty fragile after the e-coli infection I picked up when I was in London to see TD. Will have to try it another time though. Best B _________________________________________________________________ Worried what your kids see online? Protect them better with MSN 8 http://join.msn.com/?page=features/parental&pgmarket=en-gb&XAPID=186&DI=1059 From: 'michael leon' Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 3:04 pm Subject: COMPARE ok,how do you peeps compare the two tracks drawed from the mini e.p. from dream mixes 4,there not the best in my opinion and must be the weaker tracks taken from the album,gate of saturn(brain offender) is much more into the brooding atmospherics of typical tangerine dream,my fav mixes is the past hundred moons,i do hope that doesn't get supassed by number 4 in the series..pre From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:02 am Subject: OT: Check your Hardware Cisco the Sheriff Building monitoring capabilities into hardware As the FBI's concerns over monitoring broadband and VOIP communications grow, hardware manufacturers are lining up to make surveillance friendly modifications to their products. As we mentioned last week, companies are financially motivated to play along with the FBI, so companies like Cisco and Metaswitch are doing just that in order to make wiretapping more efficient. But Marc Rotenberg, head of the Electronic Privacy Information Center, raises a good point in this article on the topic over at Cnet: 'I don't see why the technical community should hardwire surveillance standards and not also hardwire accountability standards like audit logs and public reporting.' Posted 04-21 15:07 See: hardware privacy I found this on Broadband reports and ZDNet has an article on this to: http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107-997590.html Robert Asmus [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40413 Re: OT: Check your Hardware Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Tue 4/22/2003 4 KB 40421 Re: OT: Check your Hardware Robert Asmus plastics67 Tue 4/22/2003 5 KB 40416 Re: OT: Check your Hardware Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Tue 4/22/2003 5 KB From: 'braddito' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 12:33 pm Subject: Re: RIAA Addendum I won't do illegal copies of CD's and I make sure my kids don't. I totally agree about the 'quality' issue - the companies seem to be aiming for the under 20's market and producing 30 variations of talentless clones, with a few honourable exceptions. Even my 16 year old daughter has worked it out and has switched to Led Zep, Mike Oldfield, Pink Floyd and the Beatles along with a few of the better current bands. If they sell s**t for kids, the record companies can't complain when people with a disposable income choose not to buy ! Toby in 2000, 1.1 Billion CDs were shipped and in > 2001 only 968.6 Million units shipped. Another factor is that the actual general *quality* IMNSHO of > the music on the market fairly sucks. > How many 'laboratory bred' prettyboy haircut bands and > Brittney-mutations can the public withstand being paraded as pitiful excuses for 'talent' before the industry collapses from consumer backlash. Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40409 Re: RIAA Addendum billythefish01 billythefish01 Tue 4/22/2003 3 KB From: 'billythefish01' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 12:56 pm Subject: Re: RIAA Addendum In my formative youth, I was simply unable to afford to buy any LPs. Instead, I used to listen to the radio with a blank tape cued up and my finger on the pause button. A series of compilation tapes grew up which are full of nostalgia for me. On one of them is an excerpt from Barbakane which was played on the Friday Rock show (on BBC Radio One for non UK residents). I now have disposable income, and have had for several years. I have steadily brought the entire back catalogues of all the bands I recorded all those years ago. One of these bands was Tangerine Dream of course. I have not calculated how much I have spent, but with some 160 paid-for TD items in the collection, it must be quite a bit. Surely these download sites and internet radio stations are just the modern equivalent of my tape recorder? Of course there will always be people who take advantage of any system, but what the authorities do not measure is the positive points that such means of acquiring music can bring. These are long and not short term. TTFN, BTF From: 'michael leon' Date: Mon Apr 21, 2003 3:09 pm Subject: ''le parc'' damm,i've only gone and fallen in love with the album ''le parc'' again,its not as dated as it sounds i believe,you should hear some of the tinny and simple rhythms dished out on commercial radio,tangerine dream is still maestro,but i do have soft spot for up and comers ''airsculpture'' mota atma should be a great album,maybe slightly similar to ''oasis''? i hated the late eighties early ninties tangerine dream,absolutly terrible,but apart from that spot on..pre Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40412 Re: ''le parc'' Paul Dryden paulus_d2002 Tue 4/22/2003 3 KB 40422 Re: ''le parc'' Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Tue 4/22/2003 3 KB From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 2:33 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Manchester 80 - poss new source tape ? Just so you guys know, unless you're talking about buying or selling bootlegs, or your personal trade stuff that should be offlist anyway, bootlegs are not a taboo discussion on tadream. Past moderation of bootleg discussions was needed at the time. We spent quite a while proving to the Froeses that we supported their interests and didn't support commercial bootlegging; otherwise, we wouldn't have the Tangerine Tree (and other trees) running 'officially' through the list today. Indeed, Jerome Froese himself recently asked to obtain a fan-recorded tape from a recent show for his own purposes. Now that we have this approval from TDI, we encourage bootleg discussions, for among other reasons, as a way of fleshing out the best possible candidates for 'treeing.' If indeed a new source for Manchester 80 has surfaced, there is more than one tree running on the tadream list that may be a great distribution vehicle for it. The next Tangerine Tree 4 is loosely scheduled for this fall, perhaps around Sept 93. If Manch80 is ready right away, there are FTP distribution points running already for SHN files. If you have a source, let us know at tadream-owner@yahoogroups.com or just bring it up on the list! Joe Shoults Tadream List Moderation Team > -----Original Message----- > From: Klaus Beschorner [mailto:klaus@c...] > Sent: Friday, February 07, 2003 7:45 AM > To: tadream list (mod) > Subject: Re: [tadream] Manchester 80 - poss new source tape ? > > > > >Klaus, what's the tangerinedream list ? > > >Klaus, how about a link for us clueless types? :-) > > Hi Toby and Harry, > > not only clueless, but lazy, too ;-) ;-) > > search for 'tangerinedream' on groups.yahoo.com to find > the evil twin of this list ;-) > > best regards, > klaus > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:42 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ''le parc'' Le Parc is great, with some extremely good pieces-'Yellowstone Park' being one , with Le Parc, and Bois De Boulogne coming a close second and third!!! As I have said to Maff, album/cd reviews of new/old stuff should be done - one day, i'll write one...... PAulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'michael leon' To: Sent: Monday, April 21, 2003 4:09 PM Subject: [tadream] ''le parc'' > damm,i've only gone and fallen in love with the album ''le parc'' > again,its not as dated as it sounds i believe,you should hear some of > the tinny and simple rhythms dished out on commercial radio,tangerine > dream is still maestro,but i do have soft spot for up and > comers ''airsculpture'' mota atma should be a great album,maybe > slightly similar to ''oasis''? i hated the late eighties early > ninties tangerine dream,absolutly terrible,but apart from that spot > on..pre > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40422 Re: ''le parc'' Gustavo Jobim gustavojobim2 Tue 4/22/2003 3 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:43 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Check your Hardware Sorry........ what does this mean? Please put into laymans terms? Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Robert Asmus' To: 'Tangerine Dream Tree' Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:02 PM Subject: [tadream] OT: Check your Hardware > Cisco the Sheriff > Building monitoring capabilities into hardware > As the FBI's concerns over monitoring broadband and VOIP communications > grow, hardware manufacturers are lining up to make surveillance friendly > modifications to their products. As we mentioned > last week, companies are > financially motivated to play along with the FBI, so companies like > -00.txt> Cisco and > Metaswitch are doing just that in order to make wiretapping more > efficient. But Marc Rotenberg, head of the > Electronic Privacy Information Center, raises a good point in this > article on the topic over > at Cnet: 'I don't see why the technical community should hardwire > surveillance standards and not also hardwire accountability standards > like audit logs and public reporting.' > Posted 04-21 15:07 See: hardware > privacy > > > > > I found this on Broadband reports and ZDNet has an article on this to: > > > > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107-997590.html > > > > Robert Asmus > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40421 Re: OT: Check your Hardware Robert Asmus plastics67 Tue 4/22/2003 5 KB From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:46 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: RIAA Addendum I used to do that too, on reel to reel-still have some too.... Why does Microsoft themselves offer the copy to pc feature on windows xp, when they know anyone with a CD-R drive can rewrite them back to CD? Talk about shooting in the foot! Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'billythefish01' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:56 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: RIAA Addendum > In my formative youth, I was simply unable to afford to buy any LPs. > Instead, I used to listen to the radio with a blank tape cued up and > my finger on the pause button. > > A series of compilation tapes grew up which are full of nostalgia > for me. On one of them is an excerpt from Barbakane which was played > on the Friday Rock show (on BBC Radio One for non UK residents). > > I now have disposable income, and have had for several years. I have > steadily brought the entire back catalogues of all the bands I > recorded all those years ago. One of these bands was Tangerine Dream > of course. I have not calculated how much I have spent, but with > some 160 paid-for TD items in the collection, it must be quite a bit. > > Surely these download sites and internet radio stations are just the > modern equivalent of my tape recorder? Of course there will always > be people who take advantage of any system, but what the authorities > do not measure is the positive points that such means of acquiring > music can bring. These are long and not short term. > > TTFN, > > BTF > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:49 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] Re: RIAA Addendum My 15 year old is an AC-DC fan, but he really rates Edgar Froese as a guitarist!!! Hamlet Rocks Dudes!!! PAulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'braddito' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 1:33 PM Subject: [tadream] Re: RIAA Addendum > I won't do illegal copies of CD's and I make sure my kids don't. I > totally agree about the 'quality' issue - the companies seem to be > aiming for the under 20's market and producing 30 variations of > talentless clones, with a few honourable exceptions. Even my 16 year > old daughter has worked it out and has switched to Led Zep, Mike > Oldfield, Pink Floyd and the Beatles along with a few of the better > current bands. > > If they sell s**t for kids, the record companies can't complain when > people with a disposable income choose not to buy ! > > Toby > > in 2000, 1.1 Billion CDs were shipped and in > > 2001 only 968.6 Million units shipped. > > Another factor is that the actual general *quality* IMNSHO > of > > the music on the market fairly sucks. > > How many 'laboratory bred' prettyboy haircut bands and > > Brittney-mutations can the public withstand being paraded as > pitiful excuses for 'talent' before the industry collapses from > consumer backlash. > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Paul Dryden' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 6:52 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Check your Hardware OK I get it!!!! From the users side, is there a way to block these kind of surveillance programs? Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Paul Dryden' To: Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 7:43 PM Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Check your Hardware > Sorry........ what does this mean? > Please put into laymans terms? > Paulus.d > ----- Original Message ----- > From: 'Robert Asmus' > To: 'Tangerine Dream Tree' > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:02 PM > Subject: [tadream] OT: Check your Hardware > > > > Cisco the Sheriff > > Building monitoring capabilities into hardware > > As the FBI's concerns over monitoring broadband and VOIP communications > > grow, hardware manufacturers are lining up to make surveillance friendly > > modifications to their products. As we mentioned > > last week, companies are > > financially motivated to play along with the FBI, so companies like > > > -00.txt> Cisco and > > Metaswitch are doing just that in order to make wiretapping more > > efficient. But Marc Rotenberg, head of the > > Electronic Privacy Information Center, raises a good point in this > > article on the topic over > > at Cnet: 'I don't see why the technical community should hardwire > > surveillance standards and not also hardwire accountability standards > > like audit logs and public reporting.' > > Posted 04-21 15:07 See: hardware > > privacy > > > > > > > > > > I found this on Broadband reports and ZDNet has an article on this to: > > > > > > > > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107-997590.html > > > > > > > > Robert Asmus > > > > > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > > > Tangerine Tree info at > > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > From: 'Martin Mckee' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:02 pm Subject: TT3 Request Hello All, I'm just wondering if someone could help me in acquiring TT3 My branch has informed me that he won't be able to supply me.. Thanks all, Martin (Atroller@B...) From: 'Craig Shipley' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 8:37 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] replicated dreams I need to add another name to the recommended list, especially if you like 'Stratosfear/Sorcerer'-era TD; Logic Gate's first CD 'From The Silence'. You can check him out at http://www.pobox.com/~sgrace/logicgate. Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: michael leon [mailto:pre_sent2002@y...] > Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2003 2:18 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] replicated dreams > > > ok,who considers another EM band that comes closest to the tangerine > dream phenonmenon,i consider AIRSCULPTURE too be the modern > replacement for tangerine dream...pre > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: 'Glenn Folkvord \(Hyperion Media\)' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 9:11 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] RIAA Addendum For those who want to discuss RIAA and copyrights and music sharing, there is a dedicated list for this called Bootlegtalk. To join: bootlegtalk-subscribe@yahoogroups.com glenn From: 'Tony Lomax' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:36 pm Subject: Rubycon Desktop I may be peddling in old news but.... (and this should certainly excite Colin (Jouxson) if he can get anymore more excited)...I wasn't actually searching for anything TD related (shame on me) sadly I was looking for a Teletubbies desktop theme for my PC and stumbled across a Rubycon theme: http://www.themeworld.com/cgi-bin/preview.pl/themes/tdrubycn.zip Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40423 Re: Rubycon Desktop Craig Shipley craigashipley Tue 4/22/2003 3 KB From: 'Robert Asmus' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 10:44 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] OT: Check your Hardware This means that equipment manufacturer's are making it easy For the police to monitor what you do. No matter what type of Security encryption that you employ. They will start with isp Companies first. Your isp will provide un encrypted info to them. Robert -----Original Message----- From: Paul Dryden [mailto:paulus.d@f...] Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 2:44 PM To: tadream@yahoogroups.com Subject: Re: [tadream] OT: Check your Hardware Sorry........ what does this mean? Please put into laymans terms? Paulus.d ----- Original Message ----- From: 'Robert Asmus' To: 'Tangerine Dream Tree' Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 12:02 PM Subject: [tadream] OT: Check your Hardware > Cisco the Sheriff > Building monitoring capabilities into hardware > As the FBI's concerns over monitoring broadband and VOIP communications > grow, hardware manufacturers are lining up to make surveillance friendly > modifications to their products. As we mentioned > last week, companies are > financially motivated to play along with the FBI, so companies like > -00.txt> Cisco and > Metaswitch are doing just that in order to make wiretapping more > efficient. But Marc Rotenberg, head of the > Electronic Privacy Information Center, raises a good point in this > article on the topic over > at Cnet: 'I don't see why the technical community should hardwire > surveillance standards and not also hardwire accountability standards > like audit logs and public reporting.' > Posted 04-21 15:07 See: hardware > privacy > > > > > I found this on Broadband reports and ZDNet has an article on this to: > > > > http://zdnet.com.com/2100-1107-997590.html > > > > Robert Asmus > > > > [Non-text portions of this message have been removed] > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com ----------------------------------------------------_- Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ Tangerine Tree info at http://www.tadream.net/tree Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ From: Gustavo Jobim Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:19 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] ''le parc'' >Le Parc is great, with some extremely good pieces-'Yellowstone Park' being >one , with Le Parc, and Bois De Boulogne coming a close second and third!!! > >As I have said to Maff, album/cd reviews of new/old stuff should be done - >one day, i'll write one...... >PAulus.d we've had, some two years ago, a weekly discussion schedule. every week, the topic was one album, and every one, from electronic meditation to, at that time, mars polaris, I think. that was very nice. you can find the discussions searching at the list's messages archive. the subjects followed this syntax: D:Studio [Electronic Meditation] , or D:Live [Logos] and so on. one day i found a message i wrote when i was still very new to td and has just joined the list. the discussions had just begun, AC was the topic and i had never heard anything from the pink years then... it's been a long time. ------ Gustavo Jobim http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br gustavojobim@s... From: 'Craig Shipley' Date: Tue Apr 22, 2003 11:21 pm Subject: RE: [tadream] Rubycon Desktop Well, in your search for a Teletubbies desktop theme, I hope you discovered the modified XP default desktop picture that added Bill Gates in a LaLa outfit complete with 'Ball'! (can't remember if the rolling hills got a few doors and windows or not). My (at the time) 3-year-old liked it. Ship > -----Original Message----- > From: Tony Lomax [mailto:max.lo@n...] > Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2003 6:36 PM > To: tadream@yahoogroups.com > Subject: [tadream] Rubycon Desktop > > > I may be peddling in old news but.... > (and this should certainly excite Colin (Jouxson) if he can get > anymore more excited)...I wasn't actually searching for anything TD > related (shame on me) sadly I was looking for a Teletubbies desktop > theme for my PC and stumbled across a Rubycon theme: > > http://www.themeworld.com/cgi-bin/preview.pl/themes/tdrubycn.zip > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > From: Armin Theissen Date: Wed Apr 23, 2003 9:09 am Subject: searching in message archive (was: Re: [tadream] ''le parc'') Hi, does anybody understand the 'search archive' botton? When I search for the strin 'D:', I get all sort of stuff but not the discussion list. I wonder whether there is no advanced search option, like in netscape mail (which I use), where you can search for strings in any mail header, like, in this case, the subject header. armin Gustavo Jobim wrote: > > we've had, some two years ago, a weekly discussion schedule. every week, > the topic was one album, and every one, from electronic meditation to, at > that time, mars polaris, I think. that was very nice. you can find the > discussions searching at the list's messages archive. the subjects followed > this syntax: D:Studio [Electronic Meditation] , or D:Live [Logos] and so on. > > one day i found a message i wrote when i was still very new to td and has > just joined the list. the discussions had just begun, AC was the topic and > i had never heard anything from the pink years then... it's been a long time. > > ------ > Gustavo Jobim > http://www.gustavojobim.hpg.com.br > gustavojobim@s... > > > > ----------------------------------------------------_- > To unsubscribe: mailto:tadream-unsubscribe@yahoogroups.com > ----------------------------------------------------_- > Dreamwatchers Tales 2 info at > http://www.tadream.net/musos/watchgirl/ > > Tangerine Tree info at > http://www.tadream.net/tree > > Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/ > > -- ----------------------------------------------------------------- Armin dot Theissen at sun dot com phone x19080 SUN Microsystems Ireland 'To you I'm an atheist; to God, I'm the Loyal Opposition.' - Woody Allen Replies Name/Email Yahoo! ID Date Size 40425 searching in message archive (was: Re: [tadream] ''le parc'') Glynn Naughton glynn_naughton Wed 4/23/2003 2 KB 40428 Re: searching in message archive (was: Re: [tadream] ''le parc'') Joe Shoults bigstupidgeek Wed 4/23/2003 3 KB From: 'Glynn Naughton' Date: Wed Apr 23, 2003 11:24 am Subject: searching in message archive (was: Re: [tadream] ''le parc'') --- In tadream@yahoogroups.com, Armin Theissen wrote: > > Hi, > > does anybody understand the 'search archive' botton? When I search > for the strin 'D:', I get all sort of stuff but not the discussion > list. I wonder whether there is no advanced search option, like > in netscape mail (which I use), where you can search for strings > in any mail header, like, in this case, the subject header. > > armin Yes, this button just returns a load of bollocks. Apparently, in the summer of 1998, I think, there was a legendary time on the list when it was closed down for a day because things got too heated. I've tried searching for this--I had unsubscribed a few months before and didn't come back until the autumn--but with no luck. Glynn From: Olav Neander Date: Wed Apr 23, 2003 3:00 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] replicated dreams Craig Shipley schrieb: >I need to add another name to the recommended list, especially if you like >'Stratosfear/Sorcerer'-era TD; Logic Gate's first CD 'From The Silence'. You >can check him out at http://www.pobox.com/~sgrace/logicgate. > Yes, and check out 'Cytherean Dreams' by Autopoiesis, http://www.mp3.com/autopoiesis similar to the same TD-period :-) Olav From: 'tei waz' Date: Wed Apr 23, 2003 3:37 pm Subject: 'lance programs >From the users side, is there a way to block these kind of surveillance programs? there's two that I know of the best 1) the off button second best 2) have a separate computer that isn't connected to the 'net. --T _________________________________________________________________ The new MSN 8: advanced junk mail protection and 2 months FREE* http://join.msn.com/?page=features/junkmail From: 'Joe Shoults' Date: Wed Apr 23, 2003 4:09 pm Subject: RE: searching in message archive (was: Re: [tadream] ''le parc'') unfortunately no. yahoo will only search through a couple thousand messages at the most at a time. you can kickstart the search at a specific starting point by manually typing the number in the URL string, as such: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/tadream/messagesearch/10000?query=franke where 10000 is the search starting point, and franke is the search term. If you know the approximate date, you can change the start number to narrow in on it. Also, it might be gagging on your colon. ;-) Try another search term, perhaps. If you can't find it let me know and I have another way. Joe > -----Original Message----- > From: Armin Theissen [mailto:Armin.Theissen@s...] > Hi, > > does anybody understand the 'search archive' botton? When I search > for the strin 'D:', I get all sort of stuff but not the discussion > list. I wonder whether there is no advanced search option, like From: 'dweller_benthos' Date: Wed Apr 23, 2003 4:28 pm Subject: Submitted for your approval: Classic Tree Box Art I've pretty much stopped fiddling with it, so if you're interested, take a look here: http://home.earthlink.net/~benthonic/ The box art is clearly marked. If anyone is interested in a full PDF file of the art in a layout you can print on super B paper and glue to a premade box or cardboard, let me know and I'll post it up. It's about 3.5 MB and I'll even include instructions on how to build your own boxes. Enjoy. From: Antonio Nunes Date: Wed Apr 23, 2003 5:01 pm Subject: Re: [tadream] replicated dreams Craig Shipley wrote: > > I need to add another name to the recommended list, especially if you like > 'Stratosfear/Sorcerer'-era TD; Logic Gate's first CD 'From The Silence'. You > can check him out at http://www.pobox.com/~sgrace/logicgate. Very nice music! After listening to the tracks on mp3.com/LogicGate, I've just ordered the CD. Thanks for the recommendation Ship. You can request your commission to Steve Grace ;-) Antonio Nunes From: 'piotr3' Date: Wed Apr 23, 2003 6:20 pm Subject: new photos from London Hi, Many more photos from Astoria Theatre London http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/Londyn/index.html Pozdrawiam Piotr S. 'Millennium' Strona zawieraj±ca informacje o nieoficjalnych nagraniach Tangerine Dream : http://www.astercity.net/~sulas/ http://www.tangerinedream.friko.pl/